Thedelldays Posted 3 December, 2008 Share Posted 3 December, 2008 does the word "honky" actually mean anything to many of the people who post here? it might do..it is abuse and because it does not have a "history" like other words it does not make it any more acceptable what so ever... being ridiculd for your skin colour is a form of racial abuse pure and simple, history or no history..yet no one worries about when it is said.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko Posted 3 December, 2008 Share Posted 3 December, 2008 I agree that abuse is wrong from anyone. However, you must recognise that there are far more issues in play here. In the western world, white people have never been systematically oppressed. The words "honky" or "white trash" have never been used as part of a culture of keeping one section of society on a level below another. It is very recent history that black people were heavily oppressed and were given far fewer civil rights than white people. Even in countries where segregation hasn't been a recent issue, black people were discriminated against in a far more serious way than white people ever have been. All racial abuse is wrong, but because of very real and recent oppression of a group, racial slurs are a far more sensitive issue against non-whites. Being called "honky" is not a result of a system where white people were taken from their homes, watched their families beaten and taken from them, refused basic freedoms and treated as an underclass. It doesn't symbolise anything strong to us at all. Words used to abuse non-whites carry a far heavier weight. It may seem unfair, but it's a price that is still being paid for some pretty shocking wrongs committed over a long timespan, and not that long ago. Non-whites who call white people racial names are being pretty dense not to recognise how wrong it is, but really, does the word "honky" actually mean anything to many of the people who post here? For how long are people going to play this slavery & discrimination card? These events are from previous generations Get over it Also, what about the 'P' word to describe a Pakistani Please explain the offensiveness of this IMO it's no different to slang or derogatory for calling Americans 'Yanks' or Welsh 'Taffs' etc But, because they are Asian, it's different - we have to abide by these ridiculous rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 3 December, 2008 Share Posted 3 December, 2008 it might do..it is abuse and because it does not have a "history" like other words it does not make it any more acceptable what so ever... being ridiculd for your skin colour is a form of racial abuse pure and simple, history or no history..yet no one worries about when it is said.. I'm pretty sure I said more than once that it is wrong. However, history does make abuse against a recently oppressed group more sensitive. As an unoppressed group, we have far less to be sensitive about. I agree that neither is acceptable, but I am amazed if you can't see why it's a more sensitive issue after what has happened in the cause of white against black racism compared to the other way around. My last post today and my last on the subject, I hate getting drawn into these things as nobody ever changed their mind because of an internet discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 3 December, 2008 Share Posted 3 December, 2008 Also, what about the 'P' word to describe a Pakistani Please explain the offensiveness of this IMO it's no different to slang or derogatory for calling Americans 'Yanks' or Welsh 'Taffs' etc But, because they are Asian, it's different - we have to abide by these ridiculous rules Yes, it is exactly the same isn't it? The word Paki may be a shortened version of Pakistani, but it is the meaning that is attached to this word that makes it offensive. I could start calling you a "chair", and lots of other users could start refering to you a "chair". You may not be offended by this, but it is worth pointing out that "chair" when used in this context means "f*cking idiotic c*nt" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 3 December, 2008 Share Posted 3 December, 2008 For how long are people going to play this slavery & discrimination card? These events are from previous generations Get over it Also, what about the 'P' word to describe a Pakistani Please explain the offensiveness of this IMO it's no different to slang or derogatory for calling Americans 'Yanks' or Welsh 'Taffs' etc But, because they are Asian, it's different - we have to abide by these ridiculous rules Being of Welsh blood I couldn't disagree more. Taff is no way any where near up the scale as other racist words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 3 December, 2008 Share Posted 3 December, 2008 There was no need to avoid the word filter. There are ways of conveying the use of the N word without using it. It's an ugly word. Fair enough he should have alluded to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 3 December, 2008 Share Posted 3 December, 2008 Seriously. I'd hate for some darkie to call me a white thing and be reminded of our centuries of oppression by the black ruling class. I'm assuming you missed my post about using racial slurs in an ironic way? It's not clever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 3 December, 2008 Share Posted 3 December, 2008 Fair enough he should have alluded to it I appreciate that, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 December, 2008 Share Posted 3 December, 2008 i know one word is worse than the other...but i will say it..i dont feel any resposibility to what happened many many years before my nan was born.. with that..i do not feel the need to feel apologetic at all...yes, what happened was wrong but why do i have to be sorry for it...i quite right recognise it was horrific but it was way way way way before my time and I will not apologise for it.... in my view, (and i think it is a fair one) ALL forms of racial abuse is bad...and i dont like to put them in some sort of league table.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint George Posted 3 December, 2008 Share Posted 3 December, 2008 What a load of ****. That could have happened, and worse, and HAS happened, under all sorts of governents in this country. More ignorant sensationalism from someone who moved to the USA. Well done. Yes it has happened before....Charles I wasn't it? .......People were so outraged the last time it happened, it helped lead to civil war.....and Black Rod, to this day, still has to knock 3 times to enter parliament, just as a reminder......What a waste of time that is, with Nu Labour running the show..... Now the police just walk into parliament, search a parliamentary office with no warrant and arrest a MP, all with the Speakers blessing.......and the Limp wristed lefties just roll over, ignore it and pretend it didnt happen or call the reporting of it sensationalsm. And you wonder why more and more people are losing faith in the mainstream parties and are turning to parties like the BNP, who they feel are more likely to put a stop to some of the self destructive madness that's overcome Britain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 December, 2008 Share Posted 3 December, 2008 Yes it has happened before....Charles I wasn't it? .......People were so outraged the last time it happened, it helped lead to civil war.....and Black Rod, to this day, still has to knock 3 times to enter parliament, just as a reminder......What a waste of time that is, with Nu Labour running the show..... Now the police just walk into parliament, search a parliamentary office with no warrant and arrest a MP, all with the Speakers blessing.......and the Limp wristed lefties just roll over, ignore it and pretend it didnt happen or call the reporting of it sensationalsm. And you wonder why more and more people are losing faith in the mainstream parties and are turning to parties like the BNP, who they feel are more likely to put a stop to some of the self destructive madness that's overcome Britain you can imagine the outrage if the BNP put about such a farce that has happened in the last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint George Posted 3 December, 2008 Share Posted 3 December, 2008 As your record as a cross burning bigot is known to us all it shouldn't really come as a surprise that you check the Daily Mail website. How are your plans to kill the socialist, Muslim, n i g g er president coming along you loon? Are you serious?.....If you are, i suggest you get some help before you do yourself or someone else a injury...seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint George Posted 3 December, 2008 Share Posted 3 December, 2008 Well i've had a good read through the BNP's website this morning and to be fair a lot of their policies make some sense...That's not to say i agree with everything they stand for, but from what i can see they're certainly should be a valid and legitimate alternative Some of the policies i agree with and think a lot of people would find appealing and a breath of fresh air..... LAW AND ORDER - crack down on crime! The BNP will crack down on crime and restore public safety and confidence. We will free the police and courts from the politically correct straitjacket that is stopping them from doing their job properly. The liberal fixation with the ‘rights’ of criminals must be replaced by concern for the rights of victims, and the right of innocent people not to become victims. We support the re-introduction of corporal punishment for petty criminals and vandals, and the restoration of capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute, IMMIGRATION - time to say ENOUGH! On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years. To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question. We will abolish the ‘positive discrimination’ schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens. We will also clamp down on the flood of ‘asylum seekers’, all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries. EDUCATION - discipline, standards, achievement! We are against the ‘trendy’ teaching methods that have made Britain one of the most poorly educated nations in Europe. We will end the practice of politically correct indoctrination in all its guises and we will restore discipline in the classroom, give authority back to teachers and put far greater emphasis on training young people in the industrial and technological skills necessary in the modern world. We will also seek to instill in our young people knowledge of and pride in the history, cultures and heritage of the native peoples of Britain TRANSPORT - time to invest! Fuel tax should be cut, motorway speed limits raised, and hidden speed cameras should be banned. Far more must be done to encourage the development and use of cleaner fuels. FOREIGN AID - time to spend our money on our own people! We reject the idea that Britain must forever be obliged to subsidise the incompetence and corruption of Third World states by supplying them with financial aid. We will link foreign aid with our voluntary resettlement policy, whereby those nations taking significant numbers of people back to their homelands will need cash to help absorb those returning. The billions of pounds saved every year by this policy will also be reallocated to vital services in Britain. PENSIONERS - pensioners before asylum seekers! The conditions in which many of Britain’s old people are forced to live are a national disgrace. We are pledged to ensure that all our old folk are able to live in comfortable homes, and will restore the earnings link with pensions. Elderly people who have paid a lifetime of taxes and reared families should not have to sell their homes to pay for care. And most importantly ......DEMOCRACY - letting the people decide! The British people invented modern Parliamentary democracy. Yet in recent years the British people have been denied their democratic rights. On issue after issue, the views of the majority of British people have been ignored and overridden by a Politically Correct ‘elite’ which thinks it knows best. On immigration, on Capital Punishment, on the surrender of British sovereignty to the EU and in numerous other areas, democracy has been absent as Labour, Tories and Lib-Dems conspire in election after election to offer the British people no real choice on such vital issues. The BNP exists to give the British people, that choice, and thus to restore and defend the basic democratic rights we have all been denied. We favour more democracy, not less, not just at national but at regional and local level. I really cant see how some people can get them selves so worked up over any of the above policies ...all makes perfect sense to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 3 December, 2008 Share Posted 3 December, 2008 Well i've had a good read through the BNP's website this morning and to be fair a lot of their policies make some sense...That's not to say i agree with everything they stand for, but from what i can see they're certainly should be a valid and legitimate alternative Some of the policies i agree with and think a lot of people would find appealing and a breath of fresh air..... LAW AND ORDER - crack down on crime! The BNP will crack down on crime and restore public safety and confidence. We will free the police and courts from the politically correct straitjacket that is stopping them from doing their job properly. The liberal fixation with the ‘rights’ of criminals must be replaced by concern for the rights of victims, and the right of innocent people not to become victims. We support the re-introduction of corporal punishment for petty criminals and vandals, and the restoration of capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute, IMMIGRATION - time to say ENOUGH! On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years. To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question. We will abolish the ‘positive discrimination’ schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens. We will also clamp down on the flood of ‘asylum seekers’, all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries. EDUCATION - discipline, standards, achievement! We are against the ‘trendy’ teaching methods that have made Britain one of the most poorly educated nations in Europe. We will end the practice of politically correct indoctrination in all its guises and we will restore discipline in the classroom, give authority back to teachers and put far greater emphasis on training young people in the industrial and technological skills necessary in the modern world. We will also seek to instill in our young people knowledge of and pride in the history, cultures and heritage of the native peoples of Britain TRANSPORT - time to invest! Fuel tax should be cut, motorway speed limits raised, and hidden speed cameras should be banned. Far more must be done to encourage the development and use of cleaner fuels. FOREIGN AID - time to spend our money on our own people! We reject the idea that Britain must forever be obliged to subsidise the incompetence and corruption of Third World states by supplying them with financial aid. We will link foreign aid with our voluntary resettlement policy, whereby those nations taking significant numbers of people back to their homelands will need cash to help absorb those returning. The billions of pounds saved every year by this policy will also be reallocated to vital services in Britain. PENSIONERS - pensioners before asylum seekers! The conditions in which many of Britain’s old people are forced to live are a national disgrace. We are pledged to ensure that all our old folk are able to live in comfortable homes, and will restore the earnings link with pensions. Elderly people who have paid a lifetime of taxes and reared families should not have to sell their homes to pay for care. And most importantly ......DEMOCRACY - letting the people decide! The British people invented modern Parliamentary democracy. Yet in recent years the British people have been denied their democratic rights. On issue after issue, the views of the majority of British people have been ignored and overridden by a Politically Correct ‘elite’ which thinks it knows best. On immigration, on Capital Punishment, on the surrender of British sovereignty to the EU and in numerous other areas, democracy has been absent as Labour, Tories and Lib-Dems conspire in election after election to offer the British people no real choice on such vital issues. The BNP exists to give the British people, that choice, and thus to restore and defend the basic democratic rights we have all been denied. We favour more democracy, not less, not just at national but at regional and local level. I really cant see how some people can get them selves so worked up over any of the above policies ...all makes perfect sense to me The perfectly reasonable facade of the BNP. It's what they want to do that is the problem, not what they're telling you they'll do. Get the BNP, or for that matter any other ultra extreme party, in and democracy (even as poor as it may seem today) will never be seen again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 3 December, 2008 Share Posted 3 December, 2008 So St George, do you really think the BNP has the infrastructure to carry through all those things or will they revert to type? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Trubble Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 I'm sorry but you are so wrong. I fail to see how the use of that word in the context that he used it is offensive? What specifically did you find offensive about its use? (You do of course realise that many Black people call each other that on a regular basis?) That's ok then:rolleyes: Explain to me then why that is as you seem to think you have an insight into Black culture? Do you have any understanding of the context of that word when it's used from one Black person to another, or maybe the different backgrounds of Black people who choose to say it to one another? I'm embarrassed for you that you somehow think that gives that word some credence and make it acceptable to use as Black people say it between themselves. I bet you think it's a sign of mutual respect and affection don't you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 That's ok then:rolleyes: Explain to me then why that is as you seem to think you have an insight into Black culture? Do you have any understanding of the context of that word when it's used from one Black person to another, or maybe the different backgrounds of Black people who choose to say it to one another? I'm embarrassed for you that you somehow think that gives that word some credence and make it acceptable to use as Black people say it between themselves. I bet you think it's a sign of mutual respect and affection don't you If you bothered to read this thread you would see that I retracted that statement about a month ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 December, 2008 Share Posted 26 December, 2008 That's ok then:rolleyes: Explain to me then why that is as you seem to think you have an insight into Black culture? Do you have any understanding of the context of that word when it's used from one Black person to another, or maybe the different backgrounds of Black people who choose to say it to one another? I'm embarrassed for you that you somehow think that gives that word some credence and make it acceptable to use as Black people say it between themselves. I bet you think it's a sign of mutual respect and affection don't you If you bothered to read this thread you would see that I retracted that statement about a month ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedyfly Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 Funniest. Thread. Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 I think that the contributors, up until 05.14 today and from both sides of the debate, have a modicum of intelligence which makes this much less than a funny thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedyfly Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 I think that the contributors, up until 05.14 today and from both sides of the debate, have a modicum of intelligence which makes this much less than a funny thread. Yeah I hadn't realised that the thread was some 15 pages long...usual response to anything that might border on a 'race debate' mind. I was more making reference to the first page or so. As such I retract my vote for 'Funniest. Thread. Ever'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 Yeah I hadn't realised that the thread was some 15 pages long...usual response to anything that might border on a 'race debate' mind. I was more making reference to the first page or so. As such I retract my vote for 'Funniest. Thread. Ever'. Do you have anything, remotely interesting or thought provoking, to add to the debate? I wonder from which side of the floor you'll respond from. I could guess, but then I might be accused of being prejudiced! Go on, participate . . . . . . and prove me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CabbageFace Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 Do you have anything, remotely interesting or thought provoking, to add to the debate? I wonder from which side of the floor you'll respond from. I could guess, but then I might be accused of being prejudiced! Go on, participate . . . . . . and prove me wrong. Nice bigotted view there, congrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint George Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 So St George, do you really think the BNP has the infrastructure to carry through all those things or will they revert to type? I think if they get more people on board who believe in their current manifesto then they'll have no choice but to stick by it, should they get elected. They're the first and only party from what i can see who are proposing 'true' freedom for Britons, along with the necessary accountability and responsibility...Locally elected and truly accountable local Governments with real decision making powers...... The end of Quango's.......A meaningfull 'Bill of rights' for Citizens and a right to bear arms along with the right to self defense. That alone transforms current 'Subjects' into Free Citizens.....Reverting Government back to working 'for' the people and not 'controlling' Subjects as they do now........The Open invitation for the Republic of Ireland to join as equal partners in what would efectively be a 'United States of Britain' and loads more radical but truly enlightening stuff and just what Britain needs Having handed over so much power to the people it would be impossible for them to implement any kind of the stereotypical "Right wing thuggery" that they're nearly always accused of.......I strongly recommend people actually take the time to read their manifesto and see what they're really about behind the smoke screen of hysteria from the press and the rabid left.....This 'aint yer momma's BNP http://www.scribd.com/doc/259471/BNP-uk-manifesto Someone needs to restore the Countrys once renowned 'Backbone'....The 'victim' and 'nanny state' mentality has to go and they seem to be the only party that at least even recognises it as an issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 If we get the right to bear arms in this country I will leave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 Nice bigotted view there, congrats. In my haste I did forget a smiley. Can I join your club now then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedyfly Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 Do you have anything, remotely interesting or thought provoking, to add to the debate? I wonder from which side of the floor you'll respond from. I could guess, but then I might be accused of being prejudiced! Go on, participate . . . . . . and prove me wrong. Do you? Your words hardly border on the majestic or stimulating yourself, unless that is, to stimulate an unnecessary and fruitless argument with me? In my boredom at work I scooted through the first page to note the hilarity of the situation and it's irony. Unfortunately (for this thread alone) I wasn't quite bored enough to read 15 pages of peoples opinions, squabbles and 'pedestal' ramblings on a situation very few have the first shred of knowledge on. However since you were so desperate for an 'internet squabble' yourself and were so desperate to know my opinions here they are: On the first hand I agree with Saint George some 6 or 7 posts up...I find it difficult to understand why anyone would get themselves so worked up over the BNPs policies as written. Myself; I also fully believe that our government (one which I have also ironically left behind) should be doing more to promote another addage that people seem to get less worked up about and that is 'Charity starts at home'. More could and should be done to help the elderly and starving on our own shores. That's not to say we shouldn't help anyone else, far from it, but to start with those closest to us...and that is regardless of creed, colour or racial background. In addition one thing that does make me less than happy is the 'harbouring' of those who openly and actively preach terrorism. The likes of cleric Abou Hamza (old story I recognise but one of the most prominent) who, on the first anniversary of the 9/11 attacks openly appraised the highjackers. This man is disgusting and has/had no more right to be roaming our streets than that of someone who pre-meditates murder or other violent crimes, again this is regardless of racial background. Those who preach or practice mass terrorism, particularly where mass civilian casualties are planned for, have no right on this earth in my opinion, let alone British shores. HOWEVER On the flip however I am more than fully aware that what the BNP writes on it's website and what it actually carries out are often worlds apart. We, as a nation, are no better if we start a stream of vigilanty-ism in order to carry out our beliefs and opinions. We have to have faith in a justice system that has until now held up against varying threats, of varying degrees from varying nations and religious backgrounds since the beginning of time. We must continue to believe in what is constantly regarded as the leading security service in the world, despite recent and not so recent mishaps, to try and help us to live in a safe society. That is there job, no one elses. So there you have it. My opinions. Your insinuation, and it was an insinuation whichever way you word it, that I maybe a BNP supporter or worse a 'racist' did not go unnoticed. Make sure it doesn't happen again. *****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 Do you? Your words hardly border on the majestic or stimulating yourself, unless that is, to stimulate an unnecessary and fruitless argument with me? In my boredom at work I scooted through the first page to note the hilarity of the situation and it's irony. Unfortunately (for this thread alone) I wasn't quite bored enough to read 15 pages of peoples opinions, squabbles and 'pedestal' ramblings on a situation very few have the first shred of knowledge on. However since you were so desperate for an 'internet squabble' yourself and were so desperate to know my opinions here they are: On the first hand I agree with Saint George some 6 or 7 posts up...I find it difficult to understand why anyone would get themselves so worked up over the BNPs policies as written. Myself; I also fully believe that our government (one which I have also ironically left behind) should be doing more to promote another addage that people seem to get less worked up about and that is 'Charity starts at home'. More could and should be done to help the elderly and starving on our own shores. That's not to say we shouldn't help anyone else, far from it, but to start with those closest to us...and that is regardless of creed, colour or racial background. In addition one thing that does make me less than happy is the 'harbouring' of those who openly and actively preach terrorism. The likes of cleric Abou Hamza (old story I recognise but one of the most prominent) who, on the first anniversary of the 9/11 attacks openly appraised the highjackers. This man is disgusting and has/had no more right to be roaming our streets than that of someone who pre-meditates murder or other violent crimes, again this is regardless of racial background. Those who preach or practice mass terrorism, particularly where mass civilian casualties are planned for, have no right on this earth in my opinion, let alone British shores. HOWEVER On the flip however I am more than fully aware that what the BNP writes on it's website and what it actually carries out are often worlds apart. We, as a nation, are no better if we start a stream of vigilanty-ism in order to carry out our beliefs and opinions. We have to have faith in a justice system that has until now held up against varying threats, of varying degrees from varying nations and religious backgrounds since the beginning of time. We must continue to believe in what is constantly regarded as the leading security service in the world, despite recent and not so recent mishaps, to try and help us to live in a safe society. That is there job, no one elses. So there you have it. My opinions. Your insinuation, and it was an insinuation whichever way you word it, that I maybe a BNP supporter or worse a 'racist' did not go unnoticed. Make sure it doesn't happen again. *****. The insinuation was actually whether you had anything of value to add to the conversation, other than your half hearted attempts at 'humour'. Indeed you have added quite a diverse comment. So you did prove me wrong. How could I insinuate that you were of any persuasion, considering that you had made no comment of any value at that given time? Now to your last sentence, which came about from your thinking I had insinuated something. Please expand what you mean by 'Make sure it doesn't happen again'? By the way, I couldn't decipher the asterisks so please use words that the filter will not react to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 Do you? Your words hardly border on the majestic or stimulating yourself, unless that is, to stimulate an unnecessary and fruitless argument with me? In my boredom at work I scooted through the first page to note the hilarity of the situation and it's irony. Unfortunately (for this thread alone) I wasn't quite bored enough to read 15 pages of peoples opinions, squabbles and 'pedestal' ramblings on a situation very few have the first shred of knowledge on. However since you were so desperate for an 'internet squabble' yourself and were so desperate to know my opinions here they are: On the first hand I agree with Saint George some 6 or 7 posts up...I find it difficult to understand why anyone would get themselves so worked up over the BNPs policies as written. Myself; I also fully believe that our government (one which I have also ironically left behind) should be doing more to promote another addage that people seem to get less worked up about and that is 'Charity starts at home'. More could and should be done to help the elderly and starving on our own shores. That's not to say we shouldn't help anyone else, far from it, but to start with those closest to us...and that is regardless of creed, colour or racial background. In addition one thing that does make me less than happy is the 'harbouring' of those who openly and actively preach terrorism. The likes of cleric Abou Hamza (old story I recognise but one of the most prominent) who, on the first anniversary of the 9/11 attacks openly appraised the highjackers. This man is disgusting and has/had no more right to be roaming our streets than that of someone who pre-meditates murder or other violent crimes, again this is regardless of racial background. Those who preach or practice mass terrorism, particularly where mass civilian casualties are planned for, have no right on this earth in my opinion, let alone British shores. HOWEVER On the flip however I am more than fully aware that what the BNP writes on it's website and what it actually carries out are often worlds apart. We, as a nation, are no better if we start a stream of vigilanty-ism in order to carry out our beliefs and opinions. We have to have faith in a justice system that has until now held up against varying threats, of varying degrees from varying nations and religious backgrounds since the beginning of time. We must continue to believe in what is constantly regarded as the leading security service in the world, despite recent and not so recent mishaps, to try and help us to live in a safe society. That is there job, no one elses. So there you have it. My opinions. Your insinuation, and it was an insinuation whichever way you word it, that I maybe a BNP supporter or worse a 'racist' did not go unnoticed. Make sure it doesn't happen again. *****. You could have just said 'no' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedyfly Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 Haha true WSS...Was bored, and once I start on a rant...well And ESB, you and everybody else knows that your comment regarding "I could guess which side of floor you would respond from" was an insuation even if you do dress it up with a flowery 'I didn't actually accuse you of anything because I didn't actually say it in so many words' after thought. Even Cabbage picked up on it, so don't backtrack. My original comments weren't attempts at humour by any stretch. I'm no comedian but even I could have done better than that. They were mere observations of a very bored very distant Saints supporter who frequents this site. As for the asterisks...Make of it what you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 In my haste I did forget a smiley. Can I join your club now then? The above, yesterday, 10.06. Prior to your post. I think that you are a little hasty in taking the stance you are taking over this. However, please continue. Haha true WSS...Was bored, and once I start on a rant...well And ESB, you and everybody else knows that your comment regarding "I could guess which side of floor you would respond from" was an insuation even if you do dress it up with a flowery 'I didn't actually accuse you of anything because I didn't actually say it in so many words' after thought. Even Cabbage picked up on it, so don't backtrack. My original comments weren't attempts at humour by any stretch. I'm no comedian but even I could have done better than that. They were mere observations of a very bored very distant Saints supporter who frequents this site. As for the asterisks...Make of it what you will. Further to the asterisk enquiry, what does 'Don't let it happen again' infer? Now before you respond with 'make of it what you will' why not tell me, and remove all chances of a misunderstanding on my behalf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedyfly Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 The above, yesterday, 10.06. Prior to your post. I think that you are a little hasty in taking the stance you are taking over this. However, please continue. Further to the asterisk enquiry, what does 'Don't let it happen again' infer? Now before you respond with 'make of it what you will' why not tell me, and remove all chances of a misunderstanding on my behalf? Nah...Keeps it more interesting this way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CabbageFace Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 In my haste I did forget a smiley. Can I join your club now then? Shut it Bigot. Waaaaah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 2 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 2 January, 2009 I have to say, that this thread belongs in the golden posts thingy. It has contained great comedy moments in the first few pages,along with some good debate in the middle section,yet alas, some are choosing to turn it into a pile of cack in the last third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 2 September, 2009 Share Posted 2 September, 2009 Trial outcome £50 fine for ex BNP member Matthew Single who leaked the list. Police disapointed as cost of trial more than £50k. Still available online here for download: https://secure.wikileaks.org/wiki/British_National_Party_membership_and_contacts_list%2C_spread_sheet%2C_2007-2008 among many other locations, therefore I'm assuming no rules being infringed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 Nice one, Hammy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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