Saint George Posted 1 December, 2008 Share Posted 1 December, 2008 Really? Then why is it that Britain has the highest % of people in prison in Europe? Doing a stretch in Brixton or Wormwood Scrubs is not what I'd call impunity! That's because the crime rate is higher in the UK than anywhere else in the western world and growing 1 in 4 people in the UK have been victim of crime...That's a staggering figure and the prison population no where near reflects anything like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robsk II Posted 1 December, 2008 Share Posted 1 December, 2008 I blame the stupid English people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 December, 2008 Share Posted 1 December, 2008 The fact is, the vast majority of asylum seekers arriving in the UK are moving on from their "first country of safe asylum" and are no longer relevant to the Geneva Convention....It's more a case they know there are people like 'you' in the UK who will give them a far better deal at the tax payers expense, than they'll ever get in their first 'safe country of arrival' In a nutshell they are spongers who come here for the freebies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 1 December, 2008 Share Posted 1 December, 2008 Yup agreed ....but not all imigrants are equal.....Other countries tend to attract a ballance of highly qualified imigrants who's skill's are sought after, together with some low paid workers to help with their economy.....Where as the UK tends to attract anyone who finds the social welfare system or the soft touch on crime appealing Most highly skilled people are leaving, not arriving.....That why, despite record imigration numbers year after year, the overall population has remained more or less the same. So, would that put paid to the 'overcrowding' card which sometimes gets played as a joker in the pack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 1 December, 2008 Share Posted 1 December, 2008 That's because the crime rate is higher in the UK than anywhere else in the western world and growing 1 in 4 people in the UK have been victim of crime...That's a staggering figure and the prison population no where near reflects anything like that In overall crimes (the total of all mentioned crimes), US ranks the highest, followed by Germany, United Kingdom, France, and South Africa. Utter drivel. The above quote refers to all reported crime. If we just look at homicide, the US beats us by a staggering 6.3 deaths per 100,000 of population per annum to our 1.5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 1 December, 2008 Share Posted 1 December, 2008 The fact is, the vast majority of asylum seekers arriving in the UK are moving on from their "first country of safe asylum" and are no longer relevant to the Geneva Convention....It's more a case they know there are people like 'you' in the UK who will give them a far better deal at the tax payers expense, than they'll ever get in their first 'safe country of arrival' As much as I hate to have to agree with an obviously insane, ni gg er president hating, neo-con, gun totting lunatic he's correct on this point. I wonder how leftie he'll become in the "new" Socialist Republic of America from January? He can't answer yet though, got a burning cross to raise y'all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 1 December, 2008 Share Posted 1 December, 2008 Can everyone please stop evading/avoiding the world-filter, it IS there for a reason, no matter how ironic you believe you're being. Furthermore, there are strict principles regarding racism which this site is moderated by. We don't wish to stifle debate where possible but I, for one, will be operating a zero tolerance on anything of a racist nature, no matter how innocuous you believe it to be, which I consider to be posted to be inflammatory, controversial or otherwise unnecessary manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 1 December, 2008 Share Posted 1 December, 2008 Can everyone please stop evading/avoiding the world-filter, it IS there for a reason, no matter how ironic you believe you're being. Furthermore, there are strict principles regarding racism which this site is moderated by. We don't wish to stifle debate where possible but I, for one, will be operating a zero tolerance on anything of a racist nature, no matter how innocuous you believe it to be, which I consider to be posted to be inflammatory, controversial or otherwise unnecessary manner. Well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko Posted 1 December, 2008 Share Posted 1 December, 2008 Can everyone please stop evading/avoiding the world-filter, it IS there for a reason, no matter how ironic you believe you're being. Furthermore, there are strict principles regarding racism which this site is moderated by. We don't wish to stifle debate where possible but I, for one, will be operating a zero tolerance on anything of a racist nature, no matter how innocuous you believe it to be, which I consider to be posted to be inflammatory, controversial or otherwise unnecessary manner. Bearing in mind we've been dealing with a very sensitive issue, I think this has been one of the best debates SWF has had Yes, there's been differences of opinion, but I think it's been handled pretty well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 1 December, 2008 Share Posted 1 December, 2008 Bearing in mind we've been dealing with a very sensitive issue, I think this has been one of the best debates SWF has had Yes, there's been differences of opinion, but I think it's been handled pretty well Probably a fair summation. Just the few who push the boundaries needed Ponty's words of advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 1 December, 2008 Share Posted 1 December, 2008 Absolutely. No one can deny there are some posts contained within this thread that are purely worded for shock value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totton Red Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Ponty, et al. The more I read posts such as Dicko's, the more I am convinced that they are on a wind-up. Either that or they are deeply insecure and have extremely low self-esteem, manifesting itself as a fear/hatred of strangers. It is classic 'projection' in my opinion. Based on guilt, anxiety or even ignorance, it is a naive unconscious defence mechanism. We are dealing with seriously unhappy people here, in all seriousness I pity them. At the risk of sounding patronising to them, there is hope for those suffering with it. It almost definitely a learnt behaviour, usually from parents or dominant members of peer groups as children. The biggest hurdle in curing someone of this self-destructive emotion, is their ego IMHO, and that sure is a tough one to help someone with. Social worker never accountable?....or perhaps the psychologist who can preach online? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Social worker never accountable?....or perhaps the psychologist who can preach online? Don't hate the player TR, hate the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totton Red Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 I thought you'd ****ed off? Ponty, please try to earn respect as an adminstrator rather than being the local thug on the pitch. Your responses are usually intelligent and set an example! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totton Red Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Don't hate the player TR, hate the game. thought that we have all collectively agreed to play the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 thought that we have all collectively agreed to play the game? I'll concede that one then TR. But 'Social Worker' digs aside (I'm not by the way), I do like to at least try to understand why and how people come to hold their views, even myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Ponty, please try to earn respect as an adminstrator rather than being the local thug on the pitch. Your responses are usually intelligent and set an example! That's expressive, and didn't attempt to bypass the word filter. Also, everyone has limits and I'm no exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 "Britannia, she's half English She speaks Latin at Home St George was born in the Lebannon, How he got here i don't know And those three lions on your shirt, They never sprang from England's dirt Them lions are half English And i'm half English too", Bragg, B, (2006) The Progressive Patriot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 “Remember that you are an Englishman, and have consequently won first prize in the lottery of life” Cecil Rhodes - British hero and colonialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 "Britannia, she's half English She speaks Latin at Home St George was born in the Lebannon, How he got here i don't know And those three lions on your shirt, They never sprang from England's dirt Them lions are half English And i'm half English too", Bragg, B, (2006) The Progressive Patriot. Billy Bragg is a communist I appreciate some people find the BNP utterly offensive, but bringing a repugnant leftie into the debate isn't exactly progressive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Billy Bragg is a communist I appreciate some people find the BNP utterly offensive, but bringing a repugnant leftie into the debate isn't exactly progressive I suggest you read his book to find out how wrong you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 “Remember that you are an Englishman, and have consequently won first prize in the lottery of life” Cecil Rhodes - British hero and colonialist. Based on your painfully limited knowledge of other subject areas, I don't suppose you actually know much about Rhodes, eh Stanley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Based on your painfully limited knowledge of other subject areas, I don't suppose you actually know much about Rhodes, eh Stanley? It's safe to state i know more about him than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Trubble Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 This is a good thread but whats with all the nonsense about burning crosses and other childish taunts? Just because others have a different viewpoint to those who make such comments and may have leanings towards the far right of centre, I don't think that gives anyone the right to assume they are racist. I'm starting to get embarrassed on behalf of posters who make such references. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 This is a good thread but whats with all the nonsense about burning crosses and other childish taunts? Just because others have a different viewpoint to those who make such comments and may have leanings towards the far right of centre, I don't think that gives anyone the right to assume they are racist. I'm starting to get embarrassed on behalf of posters who make such references. You can't find the racism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Trubble Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 If there is racism then I assume that the particular poster(s) concerned would be banned. Maybe that's happened and their posts deleted? The Hacienda seems to have had his account removed but he wasn't being abusive from what I can see. I can't find anything that's blatantly racist, the only person who's mentioned the disgusting 'N' word doesn't appear to be supportive of the far right and yet he chooses to mention it by abusing the filter. I'm sorry, but to mention that word, even in jest, is just as bad and they should receive bannings too. Maybe I am skimming too much and need to read the posts in a more thorough manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 If there is racism then I assume that the particular poster(s) concerned would be banned. Maybe that's happened and their posts deleted? The Hacienda seems to have had his account removed but he wasn't being abusive from what I can see. I can't find anything that's blatantly racist, the only person who's mentioned the disgusting 'N' word doesn't appear to be supportive of the far right and yet he chooses to mention it by abusing the filter. I'm sorry, but to mention that word, even in jest, is just as bad and they should receive bannings too. Maybe I am skimming too much and need to read the posts in a more thorough manner. I think you're correct, it's the latent stuff which gives it all away. Do have a read back through. Some posters, with an opposing viewpoint to me, have made some very fair points but others, be it to wind up or genuinely stating their case, cannot be helped. It'll not be long before those who can't help it step over the line that the Mods have drawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 If there is racism then I assume that the particular poster(s) concerned would be banned. Maybe that's happened and their posts deleted? The Hacienda seems to have had his account removed but he wasn't being abusive from what I can see. I can't find anything that's blatantly racist, the only person who's mentioned the disgusting 'N' word doesn't appear to be supportive of the far right and yet he chooses to mention it by abusing the filter. I'm sorry, but to mention that word, even in jest, is just as bad and they should receive bannings too. Maybe I am skimming too much and need to read the posts in a more thorough manner. I think you should mucker as you'll see that my jibes are aimed solely at the mad, neo-con, neo-nazi, redneck, racist hick that is St George. My politics are left of centre with the exception of immigration where it is right of centre. St George is to the right of Himmler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Trubble Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 I think you should mucker as you'll see that my jibes are aimed solely at the mad, neo-con, neo-nazi, redneck, racist hick that is St George. My politics are left of centre with the exception of immigration where it is right of centre. St George is to the right of Himmler. You are just as bad at times with your sickening, pathetic jibes. What sort of person makes comments using that vile 'N' word just to make a point or have a cheap dig at someone,even if they are opposed to racism. If you had any understanding of what you think you are talking about then you'd stay well clear of the word. Your use of the 'N' word is totally inappropriate to express a point and is offensive. Whoooooahhhhh....................hark at me on my self-righteous soapbox:rolleyes::-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 You are just as bad at times with your sickening, pathetic jibes. What sort of person makes comments using that vile 'N' word just to make a point or have a cheap dig at someone,even if they are opposed to racism. If you had any understanding of what you think you are talking about then you'd stay well clear of the word. Your use of the 'N' word is totally inappropriate to express a point and is offensive. Whoooooahhhhh....................hark at me on my self-righteous soapbox:rolleyes::-) Get over yourself mush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 You are just as bad at times with your sickening, pathetic jibes. What sort of person makes comments using that vile 'N' word just to make a point or have a cheap dig at someone,even if they are opposed to racism. If you had any understanding of what you think you are talking about then you'd stay well clear of the word. Your use of the 'N' word is totally inappropriate to express a point and is offensive. Whoooooahhhhh....................hark at me on my self-righteous soapbox:rolleyes::-) I'm sorry but you are so wrong. I fail to see how the use of that word in the context that he used it is offensive? What specifically did you find offensive about its use? (You do of course realise that many Black people call each other that on a regular basis?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 Oh and if you read many of saint george's posts you would realise that he is exactly how view from the top described it. A truly repugnant individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 It's an unnecessary word to use, in any context, and whether or not Afro-caribbeans use it is immaterial tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 2 December, 2008 Share Posted 2 December, 2008 The BNP member down the end of my road is glad this debate has shifted to the use of the 'N' word instead. Incidentally he only uses it in an 'ironic sense' and believes that's OK, apparently his colleagues in the police agree with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totton Red Posted 3 December, 2008 Share Posted 3 December, 2008 I'll concede that one then TR. But 'Social Worker' digs aside (I'm not by the way), I do like to at least try to understand why and how people come to hold their views, even myself. I admire your long and complicated task. Demographically, I think that Wednesday mornings Totton market may represent a more balanced view of us today than the SFC forum - assuming of course that you are not analyzing the basic, local supporting football fan. If only the national PLCs could achieve the allegiance of the home grown supporter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totton Red Posted 3 December, 2008 Share Posted 3 December, 2008 That's expressive, and didn't attempt to bypass the word filter. Also, everyone has limits and I'm no exception. I like the way you give it that endearing 'I'm only human' touch. Though often i would like to bash you over the head, but perhaps only with a rubber mallet (landscaping term)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 3 December, 2008 Share Posted 3 December, 2008 It's an unnecessary word to use, in any context, and whether or not Afro-caribbeans use it is immaterial tbh. But I read it that he was using it to say that that was how stgeorge would describe them which is entirely true. In fact it reinforces his point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 3 December, 2008 Share Posted 3 December, 2008 I'm starting to get embarrassed on behalf of posters who make such references. You've got enough posts of your own that you can look back over if you want to feel embarrassed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 3 December, 2008 Share Posted 3 December, 2008 But I read it that he was using it to say that that was how stgeorge would describe them which is entirely true. In fact it reinforces his point There was no need to avoid the word filter. There are ways of conveying the use of the N word without using it. It's an ugly word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 3 December, 2008 Share Posted 3 December, 2008 The BNP member down the end of my road is glad this debate has shifted to the use of the 'N' word instead. Incidentally he only uses it in an 'ironic sense' and believes that's OK, apparently his colleagues in the police agree with him. How convenient for him and once again confirmation that racism is institutionalised within the police force (that does not mean all Policemen are racists, just the minority). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 December, 2008 Share Posted 3 December, 2008 clearly using the 'N' word is wrong.. but when you listen to a RAP track and it is used god knows how many times..you wonder why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 3 December, 2008 Share Posted 3 December, 2008 clearly using the 'N' word is wrong.. but when you listen to a RAP track and it is used god knows how many times..you wonder why? You must be kidding. I can talk to friends and say that my brother is a **** and it wouldn't offend anyone. If one of my friends suddenly announced that my brother was a ****, I would be annoyed and defend him. I could say that my wife was being stupid when I was talking to a mate. If my mate one day told me he thought my wife was stupid, I'd say he was out of order and the same if it were the other way around. On here I could say that I think most saints fans are a pretty sad bunch and half the board would agree. If a group of Pompey fans said that Saints were a pathetic bunch, I wouldn't accept it. I see no problem or hypocrisy in members of an ethnic group using words to describe each other that they wouldn't find acceptable from somebody outside that culture. We all do it all the time. Things have a very different connotation depending on whether they are being used on the inside or from the outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko Posted 3 December, 2008 Share Posted 3 December, 2008 As mentioned before, I think there are double standards with issues of race. I would never use the 'N' word to describe somebody However, being called a 'white thing' etc is deemed OK?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 3 December, 2008 Share Posted 3 December, 2008 As mentioned before, I think there are double standards with issues of race. I would never use the 'N' word to describe somebody However, being called a 'white thing' etc is deemed OK?? No, it is an ethnic slur and is just as bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mao Cap Posted 3 December, 2008 Share Posted 3 December, 2008 As mentioned before, I think there are double standards with issues of race. I would never use the 'N' word to describe somebody However, being called a 'white thing' etc is deemed OK?? Seriously. I'd hate for some darkie to call me a white thing and be reminded of our centuries of oppression by the black ruling class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 December, 2008 Share Posted 3 December, 2008 this is a true story... When out in plymouth one night a friend of mine was being taunted by some coloured lads..being called redneck, whitey, honky etc... my friend mentioed it to the police standing about 5 feet away and they told him to get over it and stop being soft...he then said fair enough...one of the coloured lads taunted my mate about talking to the police and called him more names such as honky, white trash etc...my materesponded with a f-off you 'N'.. he was immediately arrested for making a racial slur... not saying I have a side in this but that is not right IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko Posted 3 December, 2008 Share Posted 3 December, 2008 this is a true story... When out in plymouth one night a friend of mine was being taunted by some coloured lads..being called redneck, whitey, honky etc... my friend mentioed it to the police standing about 5 feet away and they told him to get over it and stop being soft...he then said fair enough...one of the coloured lads taunted my mate about talking to the police and called him more names such as honky, white trash etc...my materesponded with a f-off you 'N'.. he was immediately arrested for making a racial slur... not saying I have a side in this but that is not right IMO Fair point It's this hypocrisy that increases racism, not decreases These attitudes provides the oxygen for the BNP to breath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 December, 2008 Share Posted 3 December, 2008 Fair point It's this hypocrisy that increases racism, not decreases These attitudes provides the oxygen for the BNP to breath also...part of this "equality" issue is that im sure the ones who say saints george is a vile racist for mentioning such words wont bat an eye lid at the words i used which can be offensive to a fairer skinned person... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 3 December, 2008 Share Posted 3 December, 2008 I agree that abuse is wrong from anyone. However, you must recognise that there are far more issues in play here. In the western world, white people have never been systematically oppressed. The words "honky" or "white trash" have never been used as part of a culture of keeping one section of society on a level below another. It is very recent history that black people were heavily oppressed and were given far fewer civil rights than white people. Even in countries where segregation hasn't been a recent issue, black people were discriminated against in a far more serious way than white people ever have been. All racial abuse is wrong, but because of very real and recent oppression of a group, racial slurs are a far more sensitive issue against non-whites. Being called "honky" is not a result of a system where white people were taken from their homes, watched their families beaten and taken from them, refused basic freedoms and treated as an underclass. It doesn't symbolise anything strong to us at all. Words used to abuse non-whites carry a far heavier weight. It may seem unfair, but it's a price that is still being paid for some pretty shocking wrongs committed over a long timespan, and not that long ago. Non-whites who call white people racial names are being pretty dense not to recognise how wrong it is, but really, does the word "honky" actually mean anything to many of the people who post here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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