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I dislike the Liberals more than the Labour as at least the Labour lot have an opinion.

 

Fair point and one I believe Bungle will be replying to later. :D

 

I must ay though that Vince Cable makes the Labour and Tory finance teams look like a GCSE economics class.

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and how many coloured people were in the Labour party at that time?

 

And how does that have anything to do with me sharing the same opinion of the tories as good ole Nye?

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Nobody can question the BNP's rise in popularity

 

However, I think the question why is very deep and not at all obvious

 

I'm adamant we are not a racist country, yet the issues leading to their increased popularity appears to be one which many posters wish to avoid.

It's easier just to dismiss people as racists

 

Exactly. Too many don't want to look at the reasons why as it would mean accepting that the previously policies, that most of them would have endorsed, have failed.

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Nobody can question the BNP's rise in popularity

 

However, I think the question why is very deep and not at all obvious

 

I'm adamant we are not a racist country, yet the issues leading to their increased popularity appears to be one which many posters wish to avoid.

It's easier just to dismiss people as racists

I dont believe we are a rascist country either. I think that anyone born in the country of any colour or creed is British and am proud of any person representing our country.

The potential rise in the BNp is down to peoples frustration that they feel marginalised where our ways are seen as offensive and we have to let what we see as alienways being forced upon us.

For christmas carols and cards being banned or poppies not allowed to be worn as they might offend seems to make people fear our culture being erased.

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because you said that the tories were the ones that disliked people of colour and it was to underline that it is not the cae

 

Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

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That is a disgraceful comment. You should get your rose bigotted tinted glasses off. There are people in all sections of society who dislike people of colour.Dont tell me the yobs or scum who call people the n word are tories or BNP.It is in society whatever colour of politics you agree with

 

So the namby-pamby, lets-ban-Christmas trees-and-give-Afghan-single-mothers-a-mansion-in-Surrey, drippy, commie, Guardianista liberal-left actually hate brown people in the same proportions as sections of the Conservative right and BNP?

 

I see...

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So the namby-pamby, lets-ban-Christmas trees-and-give-Afghan-single-mothers-a-mansion-in-Surrey, drippy, commie, Guardianista liberal-left actually hate brown people in the same proportions as sections of the Conservative right and BNP?

 

I see...

Yes, as I suspect a large percentage of the left dont want to give up such things either. Now the extreme Tory right may have a bigger percentage, Ill give you that.
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Yes they are, Amy Winehouse did this year. Although I don't agree with a single view you hold, you were at least posting some reasonable historical facts.

 

The above post has shown you up. IMO

 

I'll have to take your word on that as i'm sure you can appreciate it's not my kind of music.

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Are white people welcome to perform at the MOBO awards, or welcome to join the black police officers federation?

 

Imagine if we had a MOWO awards night on TV, or a white police officers federation. Robsk and his ilk would be in uproar.

 

Yes they are, Amy Winehouse did this year. Although I don't agree with a single view you hold, you were at least posting some reasonable historical facts.

 

The above post has shown you up. IMO

 

I'll have to take your word on that as i'm sure you can appreciate it's not my kind of music.

 

So you made the first comment (and please don't try to argue you were asking a question, we all know you weren't) without knowing? You have insinuated that white people were not welcome at the MOBO awards, it turns out, from J9's post that they are. Even then you say "I'll take your word for it" because you are unable to do a simple Google search. In fact, why not do that right at the beginning before making a tit out of yourself, peddling your racist sh*t. Not only did Winehouse appear, she won an award. My God! A white woman won an award at the Music of Black Origin ceremony!! You understand the term "origin". The ceremony is a celebration of music that has come from the black community. Why not celebrate that? The blues and R&B did originate from the black community in America...or do you deny that as well?

 

In one of your posts you also mention the National Black Police Association and whether white people could join that. What a stupid thing to say. Again, I guess (feel free to correct me) that you are suggesting that this organisation is not needed and is racist in itself by it's mere existence. The point is, white police officers do not need an organisation to represent them. They are in the majority and as the Macpherson report said, the police force is “institutionally racist” (1998). By the way, from the NBPA website:

The definition of "Black" does not refer to skin colour.

The emphasis is on the common experience and determination of the people of African, African-Caribbean and Asian origin to oppose the effects of racism. Everyone within policing is eligible to join the NBPA (There is no barrier to membership)

Maybe that also answers your other question?

 

Please feel free to do a little research for yourself before spouting off, or alternatively, why let the truth get in the way of your racist agenda?

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You understand the term "origin". The ceremony is a celebration of music that has come from the black community. Why not celebrate that? The blues and R&B did originate from the black community in America...or do you deny that as well?

 

That's fair enough, I have no problem with the MOBO awards.

 

But, the point Stanley makes is a fair one

 

Can you imagine the uproar if we celebrated the origins of white music and had awards that didn't include any black artists at all?

Of course, as you rightly say - it would simply be a celebration of white music not discriminating against blacks

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That's fair enough, I have no problem with the MOBO awards.

 

But, the point Stanley makes is a fair one

 

Can you imagine the uproar if we celebrated the origins of white music and had awards that didn't include any black artists at all?

Of course, as you rightly say - it would simply be a celebration of white music not discriminating against blacks

 

OK, name a white music that doesn't include any blacks.

 

You're being deliberately obtuse now.

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That's fair enough, I have no problem with the MOBO awards.

 

But, the point Stanley makes is a fair one

 

Can you imagine the uproar if we celebrated the origins of white music and had awards that didn't include any black artists at all?

Of course, as you rightly say - it would simply be a celebration of white music not discriminating against blacks

 

I'd be interested to here Wiltshires views on "positive discrimination". This is encouraged by the government. Avon and Somerset constabulary, despite being in a primarily white area, have positively discriminated against white applicants to get their black quota up.

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OK, name a white music that doesn't include any blacks.

 

You're being deliberately obtuse now.

 

Actually, I'm not

 

As mentioned before, I don't think Britain is a racist country, not at all.

But, we have double standards of acceptability when it comes to issues of race

 

I think this is a major reason why many people have turned to the BNP in recent years, even though deep down, many of them would never dream of being rude to somebody because of colour

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I'd be interested to here Wiltshires views on "positive discrimination". This is encouraged by the government. Avon and Somerset constabulary, despite being in a primarily white area, have positively discriminated against white applicants to get their black quota up.

 

No it isn't; it's illegal under S4 (1) (a) Race Relations Act (1976)

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People like Abu Hamza used to really do my head in. A few years back i even went on NF organised march to Trafalgar Square as part of a counter demo against an al majaroun march there. Al Majaroun never showed up though so it was a bit of an anti climax.

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Wiltshire Saint

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So you made the first comment (and please don't try to argue you were asking a question, we all know you weren't) without knowing? You have insinuated that white people were not welcome at the MOBO awards, it turns out, from J9's post that they are. Even then you say "I'll take your word for it" because you are unable to do a simple Google search. In fact, why not do that right at the beginning before making a tit out of yourself, peddling your racist sh*t. Not only did Winehouse appear, she won an award. My God! A white woman won an award at the Music of Black Origin ceremony!! You understand the term "origin". The ceremony is a celebration of music that has come from the black community. Why not celebrate that? The blues and R&B did originate from the black community in America...or do you deny that as well?

 

In one of your posts you also mention the National Black Police Association and whether white people could join that. What a stupid thing to say. Again, I guess (feel free to correct me) that you are suggesting that this organisation is not needed and is racist in itself by it's mere existence. The point is, white police officers do not need an organisation to represent them. They are in the majority and as the Macpherson report said, the police force is “institutionally racist” (1998). By the way, from the NBPA website:

The definition of "Black" does not refer to skin colour.

The emphasis is on the common experience and determination of the people of African, African-Caribbean and Asian origin to oppose the effects of racism. Everyone within policing is eligible to join the NBPA (There is no barrier to membership)

Maybe that also answers your other question?

 

Please feel free to do a little research for yourself before spouting off, or alternatively, why let the truth get in the way of your racist agenda?

 

I'd be interested to here Wiltshires views on "positive discrimination". This is encouraged by the government. Avon and Somerset constabulary, despite being in a primarily white area, have positively discriminated against white applicants to get their black quota up.

 

You appear to have not read my post Stanley, or at least forgot to respond to the facts I have written for you. Strange how when faced with the truth you avoid the issues.

 

People like Abu Hamza used to really do my head in. A few years back i even went on NF organised march to Trafalgar Square as part of a counter demo against an al majaroun march there. Al Majaroun never showed up though so it was a bit of an anti climax.

 

Oh my God! I must be a Neo Nazi myself, because I don't have a great deal of time for Hamza either! Imagine people being bothered about a nasty man like that! You went on a NF march, you like the BNP, you can't present a logical argument......you're a mental racist.

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Oh my God! I must be a Neo Nazi myself, because I don't have a great deal of time for Hamza either! Imagine people being bothered about a nasty man like that! You went on a NF march, you like the BNP, you can't present a logical argument......you're a mental racist.

 

I went to 1 march, and it wasn't my thing. Far too many skinheads for my liking, but after saying that many who i met there were just normal people who went because they felt they needed to make a stand.

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People like Abu Hamza used to really do my head in. A few years back i even went on NF organised march to Trafalgar Square as part of a counter demo against an al majaroun march there. Al Majaroun never showed up though so it was a bit of an anti climax.

 

A neo-fascist march to counter a neo-fascist march. How ironic.

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Ahh the National Front, another sadly maligned patriotic party.

 

In retrospect, maybe all the daubing of swastikas on Jewish headstones and that was coming on a little too strong. Maybe renaming the party, putting on a suit and tie and exploiting the populist issue of immigration to cover up the ever-present ultimate objective of an all-out race war would have got better results.

 

Oh.

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Ahh the National Front, another sadly maligned patriotic party.

 

In retrospect, maybe all the daubing of swastikas on Jewish headstones and that was coming on a little too strong. Maybe renaming the party, putting on a suit and tie and exploiting the populist issue of immigration to cover up the ever-present ultimate objective of an all-out race war would have got better results.

 

Oh.

 

In my defence i'm not anti semetic, although i'm not keen on Israel.

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People like Abu Hamza used to really do my head in. A few years back i even went on NF organised march to Trafalgar Square as part of a counter demo against an al majaroun march there. Al Majaroun never showed up though so it was a bit of an anti climax.

 

Why was it 'a bit of an anti climax'? Please enlighten me as I can't imagine what you mean.

 

Ooooops! Just seen your 'joke' of a reply.

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Can people stop quoting the racist posts please. It means the ignore function is useless.

I thought racist posts were not allowed on this forum?

 

They're doing what 'Uncle Nick' wants them to do! they are selling the party, cloaking it in pseudo psycho babble so that others, hopefully, fall for it.

 

It's your fault that you can see through it! ;););)

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Can people stop quoting the racist posts please. It means the ignore function is useless.

I thought racist posts were not allowed on this forum?

 

We're not posting racist comments. By and large it's been an adult discussion between people of polar opposite opinions.

 

P.S someone quote this for him.;)

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Can people stop quoting the racist posts please. It means the ignore function is useless.

I thought racist posts were not allowed on this forum?

 

I actually think this has been one of the most enlightened debates on S4E/TSF/SWF.

 

As a side issue, I'm don't think the BNP boys have done a very good job of selling their party, in fact, they've made themselves look like a right bunch of numpties.

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No actually Spanish newspapers are full of stories of foreigners (a big % of those being British) putting a massive strain on the Spanish national health service.A lot of these are pensioners who haven't contributed 1 € to the system! and you'll probably find this is the case in most EU countries

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Sorry,this was a reply to Delldays post below.Is there no edit function?

 

many people in this country who move to france or spain etc are leaving with money nearly all of the time...they leave with enough money to look after themselves and contribute...

 

I wonder how many people leave the UK and 'sign-on' in france????

 

 

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And while ya'll are getting off by ridiculing the BNP and kissing the butt of NuLabour......Something far worse is going on under your very noses http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1090386/Police-state-Britain-MPs-want-protection-arrest-Tory-telling-truths-Labour-didnt-want-know.html and doesn't even raise an eyebrow...the apathy is incredible

 

Only in Britain and one or two third world countries

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