BNP membership leaked online.

[OldNick]

My wife just stated that many of the BNP policies would sit comfortably with the Tory right.

 

I'd be hard pushed to argue otherwise!

Charles Kennedy was a member of the socialist worker party i think you will find, Alistair Darling also has very left wing agendas in his past.

We are in very dangerous times, some would love anarchy and the fall of capitalism but IMO it is not something that should be wished for. there again some are happy for Saints to go into administration and so why should I be surprised?

[Dicko]

• The BNP says that Britain is full and it’s time to shut the door and to kick out all immigrant criminals, bogus asylum seekers and anti-Western Islamists.
  
• The BNP would slash taxes by abolishing all Politically Correct bureaucracy and insisting that every able bodied person pays their way instead of expecting to sponge off the rest of us.
  
• The BNP would restore British freedom, independence and prosperity by getting out of the EU.
  
• The BNP believes that the banking system should serve productive industry and the real economy, rather than the other way round.
  
• The BNP would treat criminals as the anti-social vermin they are, and make deterrence and fair play for victims the fundamental aims of the criminal justice system.
  

I think the BNP get an unfair press

These are attitudes and policies that many non-racist people would support

[Baj]

The BNP have also said that black people are not welcome at their meetings....

[Franny's Tash]

The BNP have also said that black people are not welcome at their meetings....

I don't think that's generally a problem though...

[Hatch]

I remember when the BNP did a leaflet drop in my street a couple of years ago.

About 20 of them came posting the leaflets, and they had about 5 or 6 of what appeared to 'minders', they snuck in under the cover of darkness, raced around and were gone again in about 30 seconds.

It was very amusing watching them trying not to be recognised.

 

oh, and their leaflet was littered with spelling mistakes.

[Guest Hacienda]

The BNP have also said that black people are not welcome at their meetings....

 

That simply isn't true.

 

In Tipton there are a number of Sikh members of the BNP. They joined in the aftermath of the Tipton Taliban revelations.

 

Their policy on race is that those decedents of commonwealth immigrants that helped rebuild post war Britain have every right to be here.

 

It's Islam that really sets them off!!!

[Thedelldays]

there are many people of colour that are part of the BNP

[Dicko]

The BNP have also said that black people are not welcome at their meetings....

 

That's rubbish

 

The BNP have many Sikh supporters

It's Islam the BNP absolutely detest

[Baj]

That simply isn't true.

 

In Tipton there are a number of Sikh members of the BNP. They joined in the aftermath of the Tipton Taliban revelations.

 

Their policy on race is that those decedents of commonwealth immigrants that helped rebuild post war Britain have every right to be here.

 

It's Islam that really sets them off!!!

 

Well perhaps you'd like to tell the member of the BNP who organises meetings who was on 5-Live last thursday evening who stated that. I dont make **** up, I just pass on what "they" say.

[Guest Hacienda]

Well perhaps you'd like to tell the member of the BNP who organises meetings who was on 5-Live last thursday evening who stated that. I dont make **** up, I just pass on what "they" say.

 

I've no doubt that many BNP members loathe anyone of colour but so do many tories.

 

That doesn't mean it's the policy of the party.

[Baj]

well what a wonderful way the party conduct themselves. I note that the BNP took no action against the chap who said this.

[Thedelldays]

well what a wonderful way the party conduct themselves. I note that the BNP took no action against the chap who said this.

how do you know?

[Baj]

From the lack of media/press release distancing themselves from those comments.

[Wiltshire Saint]

It worries me that people fail to recognise the BNP as a racist party. I'm not sure there's anything that will ever change these peoples minds, certainly not cyber conversations about it.

 

The party may claim not to be racist, but if many of the members are racist and the leader is racist, doesn't that pretty much amount to the same thing?

 

"All black people will be repatriated, even if they were born here"

"We must preserve the white race, because it has been responsible for all the good things in civilisation"

BNP leader Nick Griffin, Wales on Sunday, 1996.

 

April 1998 - Nick Griffin found guilty of incitement to racial hatred.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3894529.stm

Are people saying the content of this report and/or the undercover filming that took place does not indicate racism?

 

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=04QolIvfQEw&feature=related

Maybe attending meetings with former KKK leaders is a sign of racial tolerance? Listen to what Griffin says. He talks about selling his party's ideas, not selling out their ideas. In other words, make their racism more palatable. It seems to have worked on some people.

[Guest Hacienda]

It worries me that people fail to recognise the BNP as a racist party. I'm not sure there's anything that will ever change these peoples minds, certainly not cyber conversations about it.

 

It worries me that people fail to recognise that the rise of the far right is due to the failure of the center parties to address the concerns of many over unregulated immigration.

 

The longer the silence the more the far right prospers.

[SuperMikey]

The BNP f*cking disgust me. One of the things that I detest about this country is that the party even exists, let alone has members. I'm sickened by the fact that there are no less than 30 members of the BNP within 6 and a half miles of where I live, there's a member who lives 191 yards from me and another member just round the corner from me. F*cking scumbags the lot of them. Ought to use the list to deport the whole lot of them to countries ridden with poverty, then they'll see why people come over here to live. Tossers.

[Baj]

It worries me that people fail to recognise that the rise of the far right is due to the failure of the center parties to address the concerns of many over unregulated immigration.

 

I don't think you'll find anyone that would say "the far right is not on the rise due to the failure of mainstream parties to address cutting issues". I think everyone recognises the BNP is on the rise, the issue is those joining the BNP do not understand/concern themselves with the racist undertones that they peddle

[Baj]

The BNP f*cking disgust me. One of the things that I detest about this country is that the party even exists, let alone has members. I'm sickened by the fact that there are no less than 30 members of the BNP within 6 and a half miles of where I live, there's a member who lives 191 yards from me and another member just round the corner from me. F*cking scumbags the lot of them. Ought to use the list to deport the whole lot of them to countries ridden with poverty, then they'll see why people come over here to live. Tossers.

And whilst we're (sort of) on the subject of believing everything the media print, you do realise that list also contains the names of people that are no longer members, and even people who despise the BNP but entered into correspondence.

[Guest Hacienda]

I think everyone recognises the BNP is on the rise, the issue is those joining the BNP do not understand/concern themselves with the racist undertones that they peddle

 

That's fair but I believe most fully understand the racial elements but chose to ignore them. Why they ignore them are a moot point.

[Guest Hacienda]

I don't think you'll find anyone that would say "the far right is not on the rise due to the failure of mainstream parties to address cutting issues".

 

I'm quite sure some do and they are part of the problem.

 

By insisting that anyone who has concerns about immigration and intergration is racist they push people to the parties that will listen to those concerns. In this case, the BNP.

[Mole]

The BNP have also said that black people are not welcome at their meetings....

 

Are white people welcome to perform at the MOBO awards, or welcome to join the black police officers federation?

 

Imagine if we had a MOWO awards night on TV, or a white police officers federation. Robsk and his ilk would be in uproar.

[Mole]

That's fair but I believe most fully understand the racial elements but chose to ignore them. Why they ignore them are a moot point.

 

Maybe it's because they agree with them.

[Robsk II]

• The BNP says that Britain is full and it’s time to shut the door and to kick out all immigrant criminals, bogus asylum seekers and anti-Western Islamists.
  
• The BNP would slash taxes by abolishing all Politically Correct bureaucracy and insisting that every able bodied person pays their way instead of expecting to sponge off the rest of us.
  
• The BNP would restore British freedom, independence and prosperity by getting out of the EU.
  
• The BNP believes that the banking system should serve productive industry and the real economy, rather than the other way round.
  
• The BNP would treat criminals as the anti-social vermin they are, and make deterrence and fair play for victims the fundamental aims of the criminal justice system.
  

I think the BNP get an unfair press

These are attitudes and policies that many non-racist people would support

 

Dicko, some of the BNPs policies are not entirely unreasonable, at least not in print. No-one denies this, but it's clear they have to be for them to become more 'legitimate' in many eyes.

 

Anyway, me and my crazy, drippy, communist, hippy, tree hugging gay ilk, would do this, instead.

 

• We say Britain is infinite, and it’s never time to shut the door on anyone, ever. We don't bother to think about econonmic pragmatics at all, and in fact give all immigrants (especially the illegal ones and criminals) gol mansions and all our jobs and women. Also, we hate the West so much that we actively invote anti-Western Islamists. Particularly Islamists, but actually, we also invite any extremists, as long as they're not christian, because we hate them and all other Western things. Actually, we help train Al Qaeda operatives. And we're all gay.
  
• We would RAISE taxes hugely by deliberatly advocating and promoting all Politically Correct bureaucracy and insisting that every able bodied person pays their way instead of expecting to sponge off the rest of us.
  
• We would restrsict British freedom, independence and prosperity by getting out of the EU as it's not leftie enough for us. In fact, we would just destroy all industry for a laugh, and join the US as a state, as it's even less free than the EU.
  
• We believe that the banking system be served productive industry and the real economy, rather than the other way round.
  
• We would treat criminals as the Gods they are, and make deterrence and fair play for victims the fundamental enemies of the criminal justice system.
  
• We are so overly obsessed with over PC leftie loony over PC-ness that, in a effort to be equal, we would kill all christians and have Islamic symbols everywhere, and mandatory Qu'uran readins. Also, we are so opposed to oppression that we would force everyone to be gay and black. Or we will shoot them.
  

 

The thing is, half of you crazies do genuinely seem to think that having left of centre ideals, in any area, let alone policies, is fundamentally anti-British. I mean, come one. The BNP isn't genius in saying that they value freedom and independence. It isn't alone in disliking Islamic, or any other, extremism. it isn't alone in wanting to protect British people. It isn't alone in thinking some of the more crazy examples of bureaucracy are simply daft.

 

These things are NOT HARD TO WRITE. Who is stupid enough to believe other parties actively like stupidity, are anti-British interests, hate ****es and christians, etc? It's so cheap, so retarded.

 

 

PS - Stanley - as it happens, in ideal terms, I don't think there should be the MOBO awards or black police federation etc etc. At all. or at least, I don't think they should have any more right to exist than a white equivalent. the problem is about balance, and while imbalance in society remains, minorities will always have more mediums such as this. A hegemony doesn't need them.

Edited 25 November, 2008 by Robsk II

[Mole]

PS - Stanley - as it happens, in ideal terms, I don't think there should be the MOBO awards or black police federation etc etc. At all. or at least, I don't think they should have any more right to exist than a white equivalent. the problem is about balance, and while imbalance in society remains, minorities will always have more mediums such as this. A hegemony doesn't need them.

 

You talk about the white imbalance like it's a problem or is something that needs fixing. Britain is a white country, or at least it once was. Foreigners should either adapt to our culture of pack their bags.

 

As it goes i'm 100% in favour the BNP's repatriation plans. I realise it'd take take time and would need to be done in stages, but i'm sure it could be done humanely and with compassion if the will was there.

[Robsk II]

I think that's an outdated, irrational view, frankly. The world is not as it was 100 years ago, let alone 500. it will never be the same again. the world is, more than ever, a melting pot. Insular ideas are pointless and doomed to fail. it is better to accept and work within reality. Britain is not a white country. Britain is a country of people, simple as that. Regardless of faith, etc, as long as basic ideals and so on are upheld, there's no issue as far as I can see. I actually agree that immigrants should largely adapt to our culture - or at the least, abide by our laws and important customs. It comes with the choice to move here. The thing is, I also thing natives should abide by them, and half of them don't. many white people are ignorant, nasty, naive morons, who have little regard for the ideals of Britishness.

 

Also, regardless of whether you see it as a problem or not, any hegemony will generally be balanced out by a more vocal minority. it's why you don't get "straight rights" marches - because straight people already have the rights. it's not that complex. Some of it is unfortunate - as an example, at around the same time as the Stephen lawrence case (obviously covered a lot in the media, but also clearly a nasty, nasty crime perpetrated by ignorant morons), there was another racist murder, just as barbaric, perhaps more so, also motivated by race and ignorance - but by a group of Asians on a white kid who had nothing to do with anything. In theory, it's disgusting that the latter got hardly any media coverage - but the media covers things by perceived social importance, I guess, and there simply IS more of an issue, and a greater prevelance, of white on minority race hate crime. That's why. I'd never say it's ideal. If rights etc and the more subtle, intangible social balances, were all well and good - then it would be inexcusable. Yet I can understand it. Most importantly, all were brought to justice, which is what matters.

Edited 25 November, 2008 by Robsk II

[Guest Hacienda]

As it goes i'm 100% in favour the BNP's repatriation plans. I realise it'd take take time and would need to be done in stages, but i'm sure it could be done humanely and with compassion if the will was there.

 

I think they are clinically insane.

[Wiltshire Saint]

You talk about the white imbalance like it's a problem or is something that needs fixing. Britain is a white country, or at least it once was. Foreigners should either adapt to our culture of pack their bags.

 

As it goes i'm 100% in favour the BNP's repatriation plans. I realise it'd take take time and would need to be done in stages, but i'm sure it could be done humanely and with compassion if the will was there.

 

Presumably you agreed with Mugabe when he took the land off white farmers and gave it back to the blacks? Zimbabwe used to be a black country.

 

I presume you have heard of Idi Amin and the Ugandan Asians? He gave them 90 days to leave, and most came here....and built businesses and created jobs, while Uganda went into freefall.

 

I would love to hear a logical argument for repatriation and a sensible mentod of it being conducted. Who would be sent back? Blacks? Asians? What about people of mixed race? Eastern Europeans? Western Europeans? Americans? What about black people from America? What about Robinho? What about Chris Birchall....

 

 

Your opinions are distasteful, racist and idiotic.

[Robsk II]

 

[AwaySaint1]

Well perhaps you'd like to tell the member of the BNP who organises meetings who was on 5-Live last thursday evening who stated that. I dont make **** up, I just pass on what "they" say.

 

If the bnp got into power would you go into hiding Baj?

[Ponty]

I thought you'd ****ed off?

[AwaySaint1]

I thought you'd ****ed off?

 

I did because I was mugged off by Buzzin for saying he was not White but have since seen a picture of him and unless its the negative I am back...

[Ludwig]

I did because I was mugged off by Buzzin for saying he was not White but have since seen a picture of him and unless its the negative I am back...

 

Millions of them flying about tbh.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

I did because I was mugged off by Buzzin for saying he was not White but have since seen a picture of him and unless its the negative I am back...

 

Nobody mugged you off more than yourself.

 

You claimed that two non whites were being bigots by watching the thread. Have you worked out what nationality or colour I am, just for your own purposes, so you can conveniently pigeon hole me in your tiny, ordered, insane mind?

[AwaySaint1]

Nobody mugged you off more than yourself.

 

You claimed that two non whites were being bigots by watching the thread. Have you worked out what nationality or colour I am, just for your own purposes, so you can conveniently pigeon hole me in your tiny, ordered, insane mind?

 

I just found it funny that when I looked to see who was viewing the thread at the time the only members viewing ...... you get the idea

[EastleighSoulBoy]

I think the image below proves the bigotry of posters on this thread.

Both posters are non white and are the only 2 members viewing this thread and moaning about the BNP.

 

 

Ironic that a bigot should identify bigotry!

 

By the way, I can't decipher it.

 

This behaviour folks is a shining example of why the BNP should be shunned when it comes to elections.

 

Pathetic drivel.

 

I just found it funny that when I looked to see who was viewing the thread at the time the only members viewing ...... you get the idea

 

Oh we got the idea alright! You left us all with no doubt at all. Nice attempt at defusing things with the smiley winky thingy. Welcome back to the knitting circle.

[AwaySaint1]

I said Knitting circle because I was not sure how else to describe it?

 

For instance how would you describe a guy aged around 45 who spends his evenings chatting with 14-25 year olds on a forum?

 

Maybe knitting circle is best;)

[EastleighSoulBoy]

I said Knitting circle because I was not sure how else to describe it?

 

For instance how would you describe a guy aged around 45 who spends his evenings chatting with 14-25 year olds on a forum?

 

Maybe knitting circle is best;)

 

I'd presume, unless proven otherwise, that he was a Saints fan talking to other Saints fans? Surely the age groups, like their colour and creed (which you are so interested in), would be irrelevant?

 

Or would you be inferring something that you have dredged up from that cess pit of a mind that parades for your conscious thinking?

 

If you have the bullox why not come out and allege something instead of inferring it. Then maybe whoever you are inferring is doing wrong might have a chance to defend themselves from your inferences? :smt102

[Junction 9]

Are white people welcome to perform at the MOBO awards, or welcome to join the black police officers federation?

 

Imagine if we had a MOWO awards night on TV, or a white police officers federation. Robsk and his ilk would be in uproar.

 

Yes they are, Amy Winehouse did this year. Although I don't agree with a single view you hold, you were at least posting some reasonable historical facts.

 

The above post has shown you up. IMO

[norwaysaint]

So is it only immigrants who are not white that are a problem. What if my Norwegian wife moved to England with me and got a job? Would she be coming over and stealing a job, or is it okay because you wouldn't be able to see that she was an immigrant.

 

I'm an immigrant now, but luckily I don't have to put up with idiots like some on here.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

So is it only immigrants who are not white that are a problem. What if my Norwegian wife moved to England with me and got a job? Would she be coming over and stealing a job, or is it okay because you wouldn't be able to see that she was an immigrant.

 

I'm an immigrant now, but luckily I don't have to put up with idiots like some on here.

 

Perceptive, unlike our racist fiends.

[Guest Hacienda]

So is it only immigrants who are not white that are a problem. What if my Norwegian wife moved to England with me and got a job? Would she be coming over and stealing a job, or is it okay because you wouldn't be able to see that she was an immigrant.

 

I'm an immigrant now, but luckily I don't have to put up with idiots like some on here.

 

I'd venture that colour is more an issue in some areas than others, depending on the immigrant demographic.

 

In Lincs/Cambs the issue is around those from Eastern Europe and in some of the old industrial areas, it's centred around Pakistan and in some parts of London Somali/Yemen.

 

You'd have to be insane to suggest that immigration hasn't had its benefits but unregulated immigration, combined with the now discredited mantra of multi-culturalism has led to serious issues, not least of all for the immigrants who find themselves locked into poverty by their lack of English and skills.

[norwaysaint]

I'd venture that colour is more an issue in some areas than others, depending on the immigrant demographic.

 

In Lincs/Cambs the issue is around those from Eastern Europe and in some of the old industrial areas, it's centred around Pakistan and in some parts of London Somali/Yemen.

 

You'd have to be insane to suggest that immigration hasn't had its benefits but unregulated immigration, combined with the now discredited mantra of multi-culturalism has led to serious issues, not least of all for the immigrants who find themselves locked into poverty by their lack of English and skills.

 

I hate this common tactic in argument by both left wing and right wing groups.

Taking something that has been argued by one side and casually stating it as a now accepted fact when it isn't anything of the sort.

There are still plenty of ways in which different cultures live side by side happily.

 

Immigration has also been regulated for many years, that's why we have the phrase "illegal immigrant". What you're saying is that you don't agree with current regulations or the way in which they are enforced.

[Guest Hacienda]

I hate this common tactic in argument by both left wing and right wing groups.

Taking something that has been argued by one side and casually stating it as a now accepted fact when it isn't anything of the sort.

There are still plenty of ways in which different cultures live side by side happily.

 

Multiculturalism is dead. The duality of existence where cultures were encouraged to exist alongside one another stopped integration, encouraged segregation and was a failure, especially for some of the poorest and least educated of the immigrant groups. It was a waste of money that increased, rather than decreased tensions.

 

That is not to say people of different faiths, colours and credos can't and don't live side by side happily, they clearly do, thankfully, but more so as a single community as opposed to a fractured and disconnected series of communities.

 

I work for one of the most PC organisations in the UK and the change in the last 18-24 months has been astonishing.

 

For example, 24 months ago, in a Pakistani woman had wanted to study on an English course all the litreature would have been available in Urdu and a Muslim Women only course, taught by a Muslim woman (qualified or not) would have been organised. Most would have come veiled and accompanied to and from by men. They often didn't last as there was a cultural issue around women being better educated than the men.

 

Not anymore.

 

Now all literature is in English only, the classes are mixed based on ability rather than cultural issues and the staff are a mix of male and female, black and white, Muslim and non Muslim. The numbers of Pakistani women engaged on courses has soared as has their attainments. Eid, Diwali etc are enjoyed by all and barriers as well as stereotypes are being eroded.

 

 

Immigration has also been regulated for many years, that's why we have the phrase "illegal immigrant". What you're saying is that you don't agree with current regulations or the way in which they are enforced.

 

I'll accept that.

 

I've always thought that the points system that Oz, NZ and Canada use to be the sensible option.

[OldNick]

I've no doubt that many BNP members loathe anyone of colour but so do many tories.

 

That doesn't mean it's the policy of the party.

That is a disgraceful comment. You should get your rose bigotted tinted glasses off. There are people in all sections of society who dislike people of colour.Dont tell me the yobs or scum who call people the n word are tories or BNP.It is in society whatever colour of politics you agree with

[Guest Hacienda]

That is a disgraceful comment.

 

 

“No attempt at ethical or social seduction can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party . . . So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.” - Nye Bevan.

[Baj]

Good god, you're quoting something over 60 years old as if the party line is the same today. A comment made before the introduction of the NHS, which was safe even under the Tories, I would call that a drastic shift in their line.

 

Why don't you find a quote from this millenium that backs up that opinion?

[Guest Hacienda]

Good god, you're quoting something over 60 years old as if the party line is the same today. A comment made before the introduction of the NHS, which was safe even under the Tories, I would call that a drastic shift in their line.

 

Why don't you find a quote from this millenium that backs up that opinion?

 

As I share those views about the Tories it's as valid today as it was then.

 

It is no different to someone saying that Labour are Marxists or BNP are racist or even that the Libs are hippies.

 

It's opinion and in this case, I share Nye's.

[OldNick]

“No attempt at ethical or social seduction can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party . . . So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.” - Nye Bevan.

and how many coloured people were in the Labour party at that time?

[OldNick]

As I share those views about the Tories it's as valid today as it was then.

 

It is no different to someone saying that Labour are Marxists or BNP are racist or even that the Libs are hippies.

 

It's opinion and in this case, I share Nye's.

I dislike the Liberals more than the Labour as at least the Labour lot have an opinion.

[Dicko]

Nobody can question the BNP's rise in popularity

 

However, I think the question why is very deep and not at all obvious

 

I'm adamant we are not a racist country, yet the issues leading to their increased popularity appears to be one which many posters wish to avoid.

It's easier just to dismiss people as racists