BNP membership leaked online.

[Mole]

I'm going to assume that we all understand that the fate of the indigenous peoples was a crime against mankind, especially in Australia but that doesn't alter the fact that those nominally "white" outposts of The Empire have fared better than the majority of "brown" or "black" nations since independence.

 

As I've never really looked into this I'm intrigued as to why?

 

Could be as simple as tribes & lines on a map and if it is wouldn't the answer be to simply redraw the maps to reflect this?

 

I have a particular interest in the theories of Charles Darwin, but sadly many of his theories are now considered politically incorrect. For that reason i will refrain from applying his theories to this debate as a possible explanation.

[Franny's Tash]

I have a particular interest in the theories of Charles Darwin, but sadly many of his theories are now considered politically incorrect. For that reason i will refrain from applying his theories to this debate as a possible explanation.

Your 'interest' doesn't actually extend as far as reading and understanding them then?

[Mole]

Your 'interest' doesn't actually extend as far as reading and understanding them then?

 

It does actually. I also have my own theories too!

 

Do you accept than man originated in Africa?

 

Forgive me for the question, you're a registered user and can't reply. Therefore i will plow (ramble) on.

 

Survival of the fittest can be applied to mans migration from Africa. Before i begin you need to accept that the IQ's of different human beings are different (naturally i'm one of the lucky ones). This was the case thousands of years ago when early man made the giant leap and got down of the trees and became the master lifeform on earth. However because some men were brighter than others they migrated to better to pastures. This theory can be applied today - the clever men migrate and seek out their fortunes. Could this gradual migration out of Africa by the more pioneering africans have ensured that the genepool of pioneering man was far superior to the genepool of the men that were left in some ways and inferior in other ways? It seems a reasonable assumption to make to me. It's widely accepted that black africans are far superior to white europeans when it comes to speed. Similarly it's widely accepted that white europeans are far superior to black africans at swimming. If this theory can be applied to physical abilities perhaps it can be applied to abilities in a gobal economy. I think to simply discount the differences between man through years of separate evolution is a traversty to fully understanding who we are and where we came from. Sub Saharan African civilisations have existed in Ethiopia and in the region of the former North and South Rhodesia, but they pale into insignificance compared to the great civilisations the rest of the planet has seen. This could just be bad luck, but considering the timeframe man has been on earth i do think there is more to it than that.

Edited 24 November, 2008 by Mole

[Weston Super Saint]

It does actually. I also have my own theories too!

 

Do you accept than man originated in Africa?

 

Uh Oh, you've opened up the religious debate as well now!

[Franny's Tash]

It does actually. I also have my own theories too!

 

Do you accept than man originated in Africa?

Well that's somewhat simplistic, but in generaly terms that is the accepted view.

 

Where are you going with this (maybe I shouldn't ask... plus I haven't actually registered here so I guess that's me done for the day anyway...)

[Dicko]

I suggest you re-read my post and reconsider your reply. The bullet-headed (i.e. not very intelligent) xenophobics (look it up in the dictionary) are the ones who have no tolerance of other races. Not people like Robsk and ESB.

 

I don't find bullet-headed xenophobic racists attractive at all. As an aside, I have just spent an enjoyable afternoon working with a kind, courteous (oh and Asian) man who makes my job so much more pleasant.

 

That's the sort of attitude that seriously aggravates me.

 

All BNP supporters are thick! -This is absolutely not true

If Britain was a racist country, mosques would have been attacked up & down the country after 911 and 7/7

 

However, I believe people have been driven to the BNP because of their unhappiness at the main parties weak policies on immigration

 

Having strong opinions on immigration policies doesn't make an individual a racist

 

Also, xenophobia exists in all countries.

If you examine our history, these attitudes are often the backbone of what made us a great nation

 

What about when England are playing in World Cup Finals, and the St George Cross hangs out of windows etc?

Is this xenophobia or just a proud nation?

There is a thin dividing line between the two and I think some people cross the line

 

This is part of the problem

[bridge too far]

I'm very proud to British and will happily fly the flag of St George if we play in the World Cup.

 

I do, however, find some of the people who inhabit my lovely country an embarrassment. No doubt they find me embarrassing too.

 

Diversity, in all forms, is what makes our country great and this has been the case since the middle ages when we were populated by people from Germany, Scandinavia and France.

 

And later, when we offered refuge to Hugenots, Jews, Poles, and enjoyed the benefits of the labour and culture of people from the West Indies and the Indian sub-continent.

[Robsk II]

Please tell me how I'm spineless, Dicko. I'm intrigued.

 

Stanley, in regards to survival of the fittest etc - if that is your area of interest - I would forward an argument that says humanity has reached a point where we sort of transcend the traditional formats of selection and so on - manifestations of our culture do, in thie globalised, media saturated world, supercede fundamental concepts of what 'fittest' means. The species is no longer fighting to survive, as a whole, and our selections and so on have reflected this.

[Guest Hacienda]

Please tell me how I'm spineless, Dicko. I'm intrigued.

 

Stanley, in regards to survival of the fittest etc - if that is your area of interest - I would forward an argument that says humanity has reached a point where we sort of transcend the traditional formats of selection and so on - manifestations of our culture do, in thie globalised, media saturated world, supercede fundamental concepts of what 'fittest' means. The species is no longer fighting to survive, as a whole, and our selections and so on have reflected this.

 

I can see where you are coming from but I'm not sure that I agree with it.

 

The species is established but struggles to survive in some of the poorest parts of the world and that cannot be superceded, IMHO, by a westernised views of what "fittest" means as in those regions survival of the fittest means just that.

[Robsk II]

Well, quite. This is sort of my point. I might have been wrong, but I asssumed Stanley was going downa kind of "look how whites are doing better" kind of road, and - while I may have been wrong - if so, I reject that absolutely.

[Dicko]

Please tell me how I'm spineless, Dicko. I'm intrigued.

 

I was referring to my girlfriend

She reckons you sound a drip, who loves the sound of his own voice

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Ug ug ug ug ug ug (beats chest) ug ug ug

 

Hmmm, name, avatar, atitude.

 

A cute melding of some of man's more dubious traits.

[Mole]

Well, quite. This is sort of my point. I might have been wrong, but I asssumed Stanley was going downa kind of "look how whites are doing better" kind of road, and - while I may have been wrong - if so, I reject that absolutely.

 

All this whites and blacks stuff is to black and white. Yes Africans are black and yes europeans are white and yes Asians are a shade in between, but let's put colour to one side.

 

All i'm saying is those descended from pioneering early man have developed advanced civilisations during some period of their history, an exeption being Australasia (until europeans arrived), whilst sub saharan Africans have not made any great mark ever. I just think this could be linked to the fact that sub saharan africans are descended from early man who didn't have the "get up and go" mentality of their distant relatives who sought pastures new.

 

They developed in isolation from pioneering man. If the animals of Madagascar evolved differently to those of continental africa is it so difficult to mirror this evolutionary pattern to humanity that developed separately?

Edited 24 November, 2008 by Mole

[Ludwig]

I'll grant you that a similar comparison can be drawn between the tootsies and the hootoos that you gave. Indias rival tribes either sided with the English or the French during the war of the Austrian sucession. Those who backed the losers - the French - undoubtedly came out far worse when British supremecy prevailed.

 

The situtaion in India is further complexed by the caste system. I'm not aware of Buzzins Orns caste or whether his tribe was historically loyal to the British or the French, but depending on his tribes early allegiances and his caste one could better understand his resentment towards imperial rule.

 

Thanks for the assumptions.

[tombletomble]

I guess the (remaining) indigenous populations of Canada and Australia might have something to say about that view.

 

If you want a sensible (ie non-racial) discussion of the divergent fates of countries and continents I suggest you read this book

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns,_Germs,_and_Steel

 

 

That's a very interesting read. I think it covers some of the thoughts being raised in this thread very well.

 

I recommend it all those that are commenting on this thread.

[Ludwig]

I'm not a student of Indian history so forgive me if this is a somewhat naive question, but was it the partition that caused the issues or the underlying racial hatred between the Hindus and Sikhs on one side and Muslims on another or just one of those unfortunate combination of both?

 

Both. It's just that the way in which partition was conducted with freedom declared for the states before borders were finalised that left public order up in the air, which was ignorance on the part of the British iyam.

[Ponty]

I'm pretty sure the Watford Massive are all for Imperialism.

[Ludwig]

South Oxhey has a BNP councillor tbh.

[Guest Hacienda]

Both. It's just that the way in which partition was conducted with freedom declared for the states before borders were finalised that left public order up in the air' date=' which was ignorance on the part of the British iyam.[/quote']

 

You'd still be arguing over Kashmir if we'd waited.

[Ludwig]

Should be Pakistani (mainly Muslim) but was acceded to India by the prince in 1947. But really ought to be independent, which is I believe, what the people want.

[Matthew Le Tissier]

Wheres this to?

[Matthew Le Tissier]

DIDNT HE PLAY FOR US?

 

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[Robsk II]

I was referring to my girlfriend

She reckons you sound a drip, who loves the sound of his own voice

 

Well feel free to tell your girlfriend, if she even exists, that one could easily assume she is a thick idiot for apparently being impressed by pea-brained facsists. I hope you and your trusty club can provide for her in your cave; it's a long winter. Also, as for being a 'drip', I've almost certainly done a lot more interesting, worthwhile and un-drippish things in my life than her. I expect she is Heat magazine obsessed moron working in the hospitality or beauty sector. I await some bullsh*t lie reply.

[Dicko]

Well feel free to tell your girlfriend, if she even exists, that one could easily assume she is a thick idiot for apparently being impressed by pea-brained facsists. I hope you and your trusty club can provide for her in your cave; it's a long winter. Also, as for being a 'drip', I've almost certainly done a lot more interesting, worthwhile and un-drippish things in my life than her. I expect she is Heat magazine obsessed moron working in the hospitality or beauty sector. I await some bullsh*t lie reply.

 

diddums

 

Is the ginger, tree hugger getting annoyed?

I'll pass on your regards to her

[Guest Hacienda]

Get a room ladies, this is an interesting thread which could do without the tantrums.

[Robsk II]

diddums

 

Is the ginger, tree hugger getting annoyed?

I'll pass on your regards to her

 

Feel free, dickhead. Most other people managed to contribute to this thread without being a f*cking idiot. Shouldn't really expect more from a cretin like you. I'll not contrinue this further, so if you wish to abuse me, feel free to either do so via PM, or waddle off back to b-anter with your nazi chums.

[Mole]

Feel free, dickhead. Most other people managed to contribute to this thread without being a f*cking idiot. Shouldn't really expect more from a cretin like you. I'll not contrinue this further, so if you wish to abuse me, feel free to either do so via PM, or waddle off back to b-anter with your nazi chums.

 

Being ginger/strawberry blonde (i'm assuming you are from Dickos comments) have you ever experienced prejudice for being different?

[Robsk II]

Despite the hilarious jest, I'm actually not ginger or anywhere near it, so sorry, I can't comment. On your point, though, I'd guess that everyone has had some form of prejudice levelled at them. If you judge someone based on what you perseive them to be rather than who they are, that is fundamentally prejudicial.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Despite the hilarious jest, I'm actually not ginger or anywhere near it, so sorry, I can't comment. On your point, though, I'd guess that everyone has had some form of prejudice levelled at them. If you judge someone based on what you perseive them to be rather than who they are, that is fundamentally prejudicial.

 

Not only prejudicial but flawed because, quite often, what you see is not what you get. It's then that your judgement turns round and, metaphorically, bites you on the bum!

[Robsk II]

Indeed. Which is the fundamental problem with prejudice, that coupled with the apathy of thought many people display.

[Guest Hacienda]

Despite the hilarious jest, I'm actually not ginger or anywhere near it, so sorry, I can't comment. On your point, though, I'd guess that everyone has had some form of prejudice levelled at them. If you judge someone based on what you perseive them to be rather than who they are, that is fundamentally prejudicial.

 

And are you too guilty of this?

[EastleighSoulBoy]

And are you too guilty of this?

 

I think that we're all guilty of prejudice, it would be naive to think otherwise. It's whether we choose to make conscious decisions, in everyday life, about our prejudices or let them roll over us is the point.

 

Simplistically, how many times, as a child, did your Mum tell you that you didn't know whether you didn't like something until you tried it?

 

It's like that with people. You don't know what a person is like until you meet them and talk to them, but you need to listen to them also! And one person does not make a nation.

 

'They' are not 'all the same'.

[Guest Hacienda]

I think that we're all guilty of prejudice, it would be naive to think otherwise. It's whether we choose to make conscious decisions, in everyday life, about our prejudices or let them roll over us is the point.

 

I agree totally.

 

What I was aiming at was that individuals castigate others for being prejudiced based on colour but are happy to be prejudiced against others based on those beliefs. Both, IMHO, are wrong.

 

It would appear that some forms of prejudice are more acceptable than others yet all share the same baseline.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

I agree totally.

 

What I was aiming at was that individuals castigate others for being prejudiced based on colour but are happy to be prejudiced against others based on those beliefs. Both, IMHO, are wrong.

 

It would appear that some forms of prejudice are more acceptable than others yet all share the same baseline.

 

I am as guilty of that as others! I just find that when someone denigrates another because of their physical attributes or disabilities is morally reprehensible. There have been some posts on here, that are well considered, from people who seem to take the totally opposite stand from the likes of Robsk and I (among others) but others post without thinking or in an effort to 'wind up'. I fall for those wind ups but they actually show a lack of the thought process which I previously mentioned.

 

As a young lad I used to mock the Downs kids until one Downs lad befriended me. His parents told me that he always mentioned me and that I was 'nice'. My reasoning soon stopped me in my tracks, although the rest of my mates thought I was 'queer' they now see where I had come from.

 

Keith Hawkins, I remember you man and I thank you for showing me the way, God bless you!

[Robsk II]

And are you too guilty of this?

 

Sure, sometimes. Of course. We all are. The point is - I believe we should try not to be as far as possible. On the other hand, we make assumptions naturally, an it's a normal part of our thought process and assessing risk, possibilities, etc etc - but aftter some initial assumptions are made, they should always be flexible and based on more than one set of information. So sure, I could freak out at every bearded asian chap I saw, but I should actually be aware that te odds of them being a suicide bomber are incredibly low, and that in all probability they don't even have extremist views. In fact, they may well not even be Muslim at all, or religious, etc.

[Mao Cap]

Some very interesting viewpoints on here

 

My missus has just been reading it

She concluded she could never find spineless men like Robsk and ESB attractive

 

That was good enough for me

 

I was never that successful at chatting up girls, until I realised that all I had to do to turn them on was start talking about how much I hated n*ggers.

 

*****es, man...they go wild for the fascism.

[bridge too far]

I was never that successful at chatting up girls, until I realised that all I had to do to turn them on was start talking about how much I hated n*ggers.

 

*****es, man...they go wild for the fascism.

 

Girls being the operative word here. Women probably wouldn't react in the same way - well, nice women at least.

[OldNick]

I read that a sport talk show host was on the list, does anyone know who that is please?

[bungle]

Girls being the operative word here. Women probably wouldn't react in the same way - well, nice women at least.

 

Whoosh!!

[Mao Cap]

Girls being the operative word here. Women probably wouldn't react in the same way - well, nice women at least.

 

True, a little more sophistication is needed to win the MILFs over. However, I find that some slightly more educated chat about the international Jewish conspiracy soon gets them panting

[bridge too far]

I read that a sport talk show host was on the list, does anyone know who that is please?

 

Isn't that Jon somebody from TalkSport (noooo - what a surprise )

[bridge too far]

Whoosh!!

 

Still a valid point though Bungly Wungly Woo

[bridge too far]

What does MILFs mean? Please?

[Pancake]

What does MILFs mean? Please?

 

Mother I'd Like (to) "Fiddle with"

[bridge too far]

mother i'd like (to) "fiddle with"

 

oic

[Hatch]

Isn't that Jon somebody from TalkSport (noooo - what a surprise )

 

No. John Gaunt was sacked for calling a guest on his show 'A Nazi'

[bridge too far]

No. John Gaunt was sacked for calling a guest on his show 'A Nazi'

 

Aah thanks for that. I wonder who it is then?

[Hatch]

Aah thanks for that. I wonder who it is then?

 

 

Some 'relief' presenter. Would stand in for the late night shows if and when the real presenter was absent. No-one famous.

[Guest Hacienda]

My wife just stated that many of the BNP policies would sit comfortably with the Tory right.

 

I'd be hard pushed to argue otherwise!

[AwaySaint1]

My wife just stated that many of the BNP policies would sit comfortably with the Tory right.

 

I'd be hard pushed to argue otherwise!

 

The Monday club

 

The leaked list had already had many names removed before going on the internet.