Wade Garrett Posted 27 September, 2012 Share Posted 27 September, 2012 All seems a little unfair on Luis Suarez. Perhaps if he'd just called Evra a 'f*cking black c*nt', he'd have got away with half of his ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latheal Posted 27 September, 2012 Share Posted 27 September, 2012 It's a joke to me. Don't like Terry at all, but this has been a witch hunt. The guy is blatantly not a racist. Apparently, if he had called him a "f ing c**t" that's fine. You can abuse each other on the pitch kids. Add a word of colour and you'll get a ban and a fine the price of a house. World has gone crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 27 September, 2012 Share Posted 27 September, 2012 It's a joke to me. Don't like Terry at all, but this has been a witch hunt. The guy is blatantly not a racist. Apparently, if he had called him a "f ing c**t" that's fine. You can abuse each other on the pitch kids. Add a word of colour and you'll get a ban and a fine the price of a house. World has gone crazy. Um Sorry ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latheal Posted 27 September, 2012 Share Posted 27 September, 2012 Um Sorry ? Which part? You think he's actually racist (which, let's face it, he's now going to be branded)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 27 September, 2012 Share Posted 27 September, 2012 the fact he used racial terms and abusive swear words towards anton is not up for question...he did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 27 September, 2012 Share Posted 27 September, 2012 Which part? You think he's actually racist (which, let's face it, he's now going to be branded)? Lets face it he is hardly whiter than white ?! And his whole arguement was not about the fact that he said it, which its proven he did but that he was apparantly repeating what Anton thought he said. There was a lack of sufficient evidence to convict but not that it matters as clearly you dont see racism as an issue ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 27 September, 2012 Share Posted 27 September, 2012 Which part? You think he's actually racist (which, let's face it, he's now going to be branded)? None of us know if he's a racist as such. This isn't about that, it's about whether he racially abused someone. He did. The op makes a decent point. The Suarez ban was ridiculous in comparison to Terry's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 27 September, 2012 Share Posted 27 September, 2012 True, they should have given them equal bans as we both the fact they said it was not in question. Typical FA bottlejob after realising they had jumped two footed into the issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latheal Posted 27 September, 2012 Share Posted 27 September, 2012 Lets face it he is hardly whiter than white ?! And his whole arguement was not about the fact that he said it, which its proven he did but that he was apparantly repeating what Anton thought he said. There was a lack of sufficient evidence to convict but not that it matters as clearly you dont see racism as an issue ? Nope, I'm half black so do see racism as an issue. I just think racism is very subjective. I've been called exactly what Terry said on the pitch, and given back as much as I've got. Been called it by mates and it's never been in a racist way. The same as saying it without the colour in there. It's the context in how it's used to me. Also studied Law so understand the difference. Agree his whole argument was rubbish, but should he branded now as a racist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 27 September, 2012 Share Posted 27 September, 2012 ... but should he branded now as a racist? Not sure where you're going with this. If we give JT the benefit of the doubt and assume that this was a one off use of racist abuse are you saying that this means that he shouldn't be described as a racist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latheal Posted 27 September, 2012 Share Posted 27 September, 2012 Understand what you are saying. My point is that lots go on during the football pitch. I'm sure Ferdinand used abusive language at Terry. Terry's thrown it back. It happens. I'm sure it happens every week and players shake hands at the end of he game, and leave it on the pitch. To say he's a racist because he said it is wrong. If its not a heat of the moment thing but a deep lying hatred of black people, then fair enough. Pretty sure Cole wouldn't have stood up for him in a court of law if that was he case though. The guy (and I don't like him, let's get that straight) is going to be branded a racist for the rest of his life and I don't think he is. Put it this way, what if Ashley Cole was the one who said it to Ferdinand? What would the FA have done then? Is he also a racist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 27 September, 2012 Share Posted 27 September, 2012 Who's saying that Terry is a racist per se? He's been found to have used racist abuse and frankly anyone with eyes and ears would agree with that. I find it difficult that anyone can say that because this happens on a football pitch then its ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu0x Posted 27 September, 2012 Share Posted 27 September, 2012 The guy (and I don't like him, let's get that straight) is going to be branded a racist for the rest of his life and I don't think he is. Should someone who steals be branded a thief? Er... yes. Put it this way, what if Ashley Cole was the one who said it to Ferdinand? What would the FA have done then? Is he also a racist? Yes, he would be. How much attention were you paying when you studied law, exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 28 September, 2012 Share Posted 28 September, 2012 Nope, I'm half black so do see racism as an issue. I just think racism is very subjective. I've been called exactly what Terry said on the pitch, and given back as much as I've got. Been called it by mates and it's never been in a racist way. The same as saying it without the colour in there. It's the context in how it's used to me. Also studied Law so understand the difference. Agree his whole argument was rubbish, but should he branded now as a racist? I do agree racism is subjective, IMO for instance if there was just a single black guy in the room and someone used it discriptively, for instance 'the black guy' then that is not racist, misguided perhaps but racist no. When it id used aggressively and to insult however thats different, personally I think he was. Does that make him ravist as a whole ? Maybe not, but what he did was at the time racist, whether that is a reflection of his attitude in general I cannot judge, but just looking at a sungle incident then I think hr is guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 September, 2012 Share Posted 28 September, 2012 I do agree racism is subjective, IMO for instance if there was just a single black guy in the room and someone used it discriptively, for instance 'the black guy' then that is not racist, misguided perhaps but racist no. Not sure how describing what someone looks like (in the context you describe) could ever be classed as 'misguided' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 28 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 September, 2012 Terry used the colour of a man's skin in a derogatory term. If he had just called him a f*cking c*nt there wouldn't have been a problem. But he brought the colour of his skin into it too. That is racist in my book. Terry and his apologists are shameless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 September, 2012 Share Posted 28 September, 2012 Terry used the colour of a man's skin in a derogatory term. If he had just called him a f*cking c*nt there wouldn't have been a problem. But he brought the colour of his skin into it too. That is racist in my book. Terry and his apologists are shameless. Does using a racist term once on a football pitch automatically make terry a racist? I don't know the answer I'm just asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 28 September, 2012 Share Posted 28 September, 2012 Does using a racist term once on a football pitch automatically make terry a racist? I don't know the answer I'm just asking. That's the million dollar question. I don't know the answer either. Certainly he has displayed racist tendencies. The analogy above about someone stealing once and thus being a thief is interesting though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 28 September, 2012 Share Posted 28 September, 2012 Both the Suarez and Terry cases are an absolute joke. So what if one footballer said some nasty words to another footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu0x Posted 28 September, 2012 Share Posted 28 September, 2012 Does using a racist term once on a football pitch automatically make terry a racist? I don't know the answer I'm just asking. There was an old Scotsman who was walking with his grandson. Presently, they came upon a wall. “Ye see that wall, there, laddie?” “Aye.” “I built it, I did. I built it with my own two hands. I built twenty others just like it. But do they call me the wall builder? Nay.” They continued walking. “Ye see that barn, there, laddie?” “Aye.” “I built it, I did. I built it with my own two hands. I built thirty others just like it. But do they call me the barn builder? Nay, laddie.” They continued their walk until they came upon a house. “Ye see that house, there, laddie?” “Aye.” “I built it, I did. I built it with my own two hands. I built fifty others just like it. But do they call me the house builder? Nay. But you **** *one* sheep…” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 28 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 September, 2012 Does using a racist term once on a football pitch automatically make terry a racist? I don't know the answer I'm just asking. Don't know. I haven't called him a racist, I just think he's a c*nt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 September, 2012 Share Posted 28 September, 2012 That's the million dollar question. I don't know the answer either. Certainly he has displayed racist tendencies. The analogy above about someone stealing once and thus being a thief is interesting though. Thing is I would probably argue that saying something on a football pitch without thinking isn't really the same thing as having entrenched racist views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 September, 2012 Share Posted 28 September, 2012 Don't know. I haven't called him a racist, I just think he's a c*nt. Fair point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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