Fitzhugh Fella Posted 27 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 27 September, 2012 I'm worried I'm going to sound silly here and that it has been mentioned, but would appearances for other clubs whilst still contracted here (ie loan) trigger a payment or do the appearances have to be for Southampton? Pretty sure it is just for Southampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 27 September, 2012 Share Posted 27 September, 2012 Pretty sure it is just for Southampton. I'm not so sure. I know of an out of favour player some years ago who was denied a loan. He had a bonus linked to games played. A few games on loan would have put him over the games threshold and triggered the bonus. He also had a standard pfa contract which said that if he was injured in the field of play then every game he missed with that injury was deemed an appearance. If our contracts contain similar clauses it may explain why so few players go out on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 27 September, 2012 Share Posted 27 September, 2012 No, it really isn't. Unless you want a fanbase who believe everything they're told and question nothing. The whole point of a message board like this one is to debate issues; not just blindly assume that the club will get absolutely everything 100% correct. Yes it really is. Feel free to express a view on here but the club will make the decisions on what is best in the clubs interests. If you want to run a club you put your hand in your pocket first. Shame about Dickson really. He contributed well in our first promotion season and was capable of playing at a higher level. Just seems to be one of those players who lacks a bit of self belief. Still a good age and would expect to see him move on in January. Hope he does well with his next club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 27 September, 2012 Share Posted 27 September, 2012 Some players were bought when we were in L1 to get us into the championship and weren't good enough for the Championship. Some players were bought to get us out of the Championship and into the Premier, but aren't good enough for the Premier. Our rapid ascent up the leagues means that we are having to get rid of players who aren't good enough after just a short time with the club, which may seem harsh, but has to be done. As we spend more and more on wages and transfers, it is only reasonable to expect to get rid of players without still having to shoulder the burden of their wages. Dickson is clearly not a premier league player. Many on here would say that Fox isn't premier standard either. I reckon I could name at least 4 or 5 others who have helped us rise through the leagues but aren't good enough now. We have to let them go, but we can't be responsible for their wages whilst they play elsewhere as we need those funds for replacements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 27 September, 2012 Share Posted 27 September, 2012 Ryan was the best player on the pitch in the pre-season game against Exeter. Really encourages the youngens too. Despite not being in the 1st team frame on the pitch it looks like he is putting the right effort in and is a good influence. Fitness would be the only part I would say he was lacking. Seemed to be blowing a fair bit even in the first half. Still managed to run his guts out second half and get 2 assists though. I think its fair to say the club dont see him in the first team and will carry on paying him a wage until someone else tempts him away. The club dont have to help that situation along and as with Puncheon if a bad attitude has anything to do with it then he will drop even further away from the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin Strain Posted 27 September, 2012 Share Posted 27 September, 2012 That was Harding.lol. No it wasn't..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin Strain Posted 27 September, 2012 Share Posted 27 September, 2012 Sadly that's the saints way now and a factor in why our younger players aren't off playing league football to gain experience. Makes no financial or football sense. It's not that simple though. Would you rather our youngsters were being coached 'the Southampton way' by our PL coaches, or sent out on loan to somewhere to play hoof ball? Arsenal are very picky who they send out on loan, and apparently refused to loan Walcott after they bought him because they believed it was more important that he was properly coached rather than got lower league experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 27 September, 2012 Share Posted 27 September, 2012 Feck me, there's two threads at the top of TSW, onw about our LB who doesn't play anymore and the other about his missus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 27 September, 2012 Share Posted 27 September, 2012 It's not that simple though. Would you rather our youngsters were being coached 'the Southampton way' by our PL coaches, or sent out on loan to somewhere to play hoof ball? Arsenal are very picky who they send out on loan, and apparently refused to loan Walcott after they bought him because they believed it was more important that he was properly coached rather than got lower league experience. I would rather see younger players play, but at the right club where they will be coached properly and play proper football. Man utd, for example, send loads of players on loan as they recognise that there is no substitute for playing. In the case of players like dickson who clearly have no future with us, we have to help them move on. To do that we will have to subsidise wages otherwise we end up with a player drawing a full wage which suits neither us or the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin Strain Posted 27 September, 2012 Share Posted 27 September, 2012 I would rather see younger players play, but at the right club where they will be coached properly and play proper football. Man utd, for example, send loads of players on loan as they recognise that there is no substitute for playing. In the case of players like dickson who clearly have no future with us, we have to help them move on. To do that we will have to subsidise wages otherwise we end up with a player drawing a full wage which suits neither us or the player. It depends on the player though. Man U may send out a load of youngsters on loan because they think they may not make the first team. They may well keep players who they are confident will make it in their system for longer, and then send them out on loan - it's probably the case that players break through at Man U when they're a little older. As for Dickson, who knows the real reason. He has the option to lower his wage demands / demands for a pay off (if that's the case) in order to play football. I'm not having a go at him, but it's likely that there is an option if he wants to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 27 September, 2012 Share Posted 27 September, 2012 No it wasn't..... If the goal under discussion is the first Saints goal at Leyton away, the assist WAS Harding, not Dickson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 27 September, 2012 Share Posted 27 September, 2012 I always thought Dickson was a decent player, certainly better than Harding. He was one of our real contributors in our promotion run-in two seasons ago. That cross he put over for Lambert at Leyton Orient was just fantastic; also scored the crucial 2nd goal at Plymouth which effectively sealed promotion. Have never understood why he hasn't been given more of a chance. That was Harding.lol. No it wasnt. No it wasn't..... If the goal under discussion is the first Saints goal at Leyton away, the assist WAS Harding, not Dickson. No it wasn't *takes head outside and shoots it* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6poPDHzSWU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 8 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 8 October, 2012 Maybe time for Nicola to cough up the 30 grand? With all our woes at full back and not being able to sign anyone until Jan then Dickson could yet come in useful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 Maybe time for Nicola to cough up the 30 grand? With all our woes at full back and not being able to sign anyone until Jan then Dickson could yet come in useful? I would have liked for Dickson to have had a run out in the Cup v Sheff Weds. Certainly more sense than playing Seaborne out of position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 8 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 8 October, 2012 I would have liked for Dickson to have had a run out in the Cup v Sheff Weds. Certainly more sense than playing Seaborne out of position. And Seaborne did not look that great tonight for the U21s at Manchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 Sadly that's the saints way now and a factor in why our younger players aren't off playing league football to gain experience. Makes no financial or football sense. Is this why we continue to produce class youngsters wanted by all the top teams!Surely our youngsters are better off playing good technical football in the under 18's and development squads rather than hoofing it up and down the pitch and being physically out muscled in the lower leagues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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