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The only arguement really is whether we go with Clyne at LB and Richardson RB, or Clyne and Fox. Rather have a RB playing RB and a LB playing LB though, lets hope that bringing Fox off at the weekend would have given him a kick up the backside.

 

I believe he was brought off because his groin injury was inhibiting his movement. Didn't Crosby say he was injured in his SW build up?

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Think we could get another hiding here. Last night aside (in which Everton rested some players), they are absolutely flying at the minute and are just the kind of gritty, obdurate side to soak up any attacks we do have and punish our mistakes.

 

Will be very interesting to see how Ramirez gets on in this game. I imagine Moyes will target him as a danger man, it will be good indication of he deals with heavy marking and a physical approach.

 

We also have a pretty poor record at Goodison, don't think we have won there since the mid 90's? I remember K. Davies getting one in a 2-0?

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Sorry !! Should look like this :

 

---------------------Gazza/Boruc-----------------

 

----------Fonte--------Hooiveld--------Yoshida-----

 

Clyne---------------------------------Shaw

--------------Davis-----------------

---Puncheon------------------------------Llalana-----

---------------------Ramirez----------------------------------

---------------------------Lambert----------------------------------

 

You're right, it probably would look like that if we tried playing it. Playing a completely new formation would be a ****ing mess, especially as we're still getting used to the current one.

 

--------------Gazzaniga

Clyne-----Fonte-----Yoshida-----Hooiveld

-----------Davis-----Morgan

---------------Ramirez

Puncheon--------------------------Lallana

---------------Lambert

 

There is a need for some extra bulk to deal with the physical threat of Fellaini and Anichebe, but we need to keep it simple and stick to what we know to get any sort of continuity. When Baines overlaps, Clyne goes to him, Fonte goes to Pienaar, Yoshida goes to the Near post and Hooiveld goes to the far post. If Fellaini gets in the box, we have 3 against 2 in midfield to start a counter if the ball drops to us.

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You're right, it probably would look like that if we tried playing it. Playing a completely new formation would be a ****ing mess, especially as we're still getting used to the current one.

 

--------------Gazzaniga

Clyne-----Fonte-----Yoshida-----Hooiveld

-----------Davis-----Morgan

---------------Ramirez

Puncheon--------------------------Lallana

---------------Lambert

 

There is a need for some extra bulk to deal with the physical threat of Fellaini and Anichebe, but we need to keep it simple and stick to what we know to get any sort of continuity. When Baines overlaps, Clyne goes to him, Fonte goes to Pienaar, Yoshida goes to the Near post and Hooiveld goes to the far post. If Fellaini gets in the box, we have 3 against 2 in midfield to start a counter if the ball drops to us.

 

Bloody hell, Hooiveld at left back?! With Lallana in front of him?! :lol: I'd rather have Dickson than Jos at left back.

 

I'm wondering if Puncheon will get dropped for this one, in order to cover Baines' overlapping. I'd be tempted to go for:

Gazza

 

Richardson - Yoshida - Fonte/Hooiveld - Clyne

 

Davis - Schneiderlin

 

Chaplow - Ramirez - Lallana

 

Lambert

 

But with Chaplow in a role to cover Baines bombing forward (so it may revert at times to a 4-3-2-1).

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I don't think we are good enough to take our game to Everton and not come out with a cuffing. With that in mind I would look at nullifying their two biggest threats, Baines and Fellini.

 

---------------GAZZA--------------

FRAZER-----MAYA----JOS-----CLYNE

---------------FONTE------------

RAMIREZ--MORGAN--DAVIS--LALLANA

--------------MAYUKA------------

 

Subs: Boruc, Shaw, Ricky, JWP, Ouncheon, Cork, Rodriguez

 

I don't want to play Fox and would even consider Shaw, Not sure that is fair for one so young so will revert to what worked well against Villa with Clyne on the left. Allowing Fonte to drift over and help out as required. I can see Fellini having a field day with our spacial marking and would stick one of the centre backs on him for the box. Adding Fonte in there allows us to keep the zonal and a solution to Fellini. Fonte will additionally strengthen up the midfield. I have left Ricky out because of the fear he will be isolated and the ability of Mayuka to do something with Gazzas distribution. Ricky could still work, but then I would drop Lallana and play Mayuka on the left.

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The way people are talking you'd think we were playing Barcelona on Saturday. Everton are a very good side no doubt about it, but if we can press high up the pitch and get our passing game going like we did 2nd half against Villa we can get something.

 

There is no point trying to defend deep or "park the bus" as we are too poor at the back to do this successfully against any side in this league.

 

Gazza

 

Richardson

Fonte

Yoshida

Clyne

 

Schneiderlin

Davis

 

Puncheon

Ramirez

Lallana

 

Lambert

 

Subs: Boruc, Rodriguez, Mayuka, Jos, Fox, JWP, Guly

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Some of the ideas on here are hillarious

 

Fonte in midfield.

Jos left back

 

 

3 at the back

 

Dropping Lambert

 

All will simply not happen

 

That second half against Villa seems to have this magical property of wiping all the previous football from existence. With our indecision even against Villa, that sort of performance will give Fellini free range to rip us a new one. Would you bet against Fellini not scoring against us? The question alone should slam your arse cheeks shut to nullify the thought. You can just hope what we have done previously will be good enough but I have seen nothing like that.

 

As for dropping Lambert, that has already happened on the first day of the season against ManC for exactly those reasons given by Adkins.

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That second half against Villa seems to have this magical property of wiping all the previous football from existence. With our indecision even against Villa, that sort of performance will give Fellini free range to rip us a new one. Would you bet against Fellini not scoring against us? The question alone should slam your arse cheeks shut to nullify the thought. You can just hope what we have done previously will be good enough but I have seen nothing like that.

 

As for dropping Lambert, that has already happened on the first day of the season against ManC for exactly those reasons given by Adkins.

you really reckon now...today, where we are, the previous performances...lambert is going to be dropped...?

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That second half against Villa seems to have this magical property of wiping all the previous football from existence. With our indecision even against Villa, that sort of performance will give Fellini free range to rip us a new one. Would you bet against Fellini not scoring against us? The question alone should slam your arse cheeks shut to nullify the thought. You can just hope what we have done previously will be good enough but I have seen nothing like that.

 

To play Fonte as a holding midfielder when he hasn't played there before just isn't going to happen. Schneiderlin is a better holding midfielder than Fonte will ever be. I think we'll continue to use the 4231 system, with the only change from the starting line-up vs. Aston Villa being possibly Richardson for Fox.

 

As for dropping Lambert, that has already happened on the first day of the season against ManC for exactly those reasons given by Adkins.

 

Everton aren't exactly Man City are they? The gap between the sides is closer and with Ramirez playing behind Lambert he won't be isolated and they can share the work load of closing people down.

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Bloody hell, Hooiveld at left back?! With Lallana in front of him?! :lol: I'd rather have Dickson than Jos at left back.

 

Phil Neville is ancient and wasn't even that good in his prime. He doesn't have the legs to bomb on, so he won't overlap or cause us too much of a headache down that side. You could equally swap Jos and Yoshida, but my idea is to have someone who can win a header covering the back post and not 5'7 of Nathaniel Clyne.

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Could do if it's part of our game plan. None of us know what Adkins is thinking and we know he's not afraid to make brave decisions in the name of winning the game.

I will bet you £100 that lambert will start if fit....no joke

loser send the money to saints foundation..

 

there is no way on gods earth lambert will not start if fit

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Could do with Clyne down the right to deal with Baines and Pienaar, so I'd personally start Fox.

 

I'm not sure that he's even fit, evidently he was having trouble breaking into a sprint last Saturday, it's what gave them their goal, looked as if he wanted to burst forward and clear the ball but had his feet in a foot of treacle. Pretty much a sign of a groin injury, which is what he has.

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---------------Gazzaniga

Clyne-----Fonte----Yoshida-----Dickson

------------Davis-----Morgan

-----------------Ramirez

Puncheon-------------------------Lallana

-----------------Lambert

 

Undecided about whether Fonte or Jos partners Yoshi but seeing as though Fonte has had a couple of mare free games, suppose he's going to keep his place!

 

About Dickson, Clyne is better than Frazer on the right and Dickson has to be worth a try over Fox's inability to pick up players...

 

Try this.

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---------------Gazzaniga

Clyne-----Fonte----Yoshida-----Dickson

------------Davis-----Morgan

-----------------Ramirez

Puncheon-------------------------Lallana

-----------------Lambert

 

Undecided about whether Fonte or Jos partners Yoshi but seeing as though Fonte has had a couple of mare free games, suppose he's going to keep his place!

 

About Dickson, Clyne is better than Frazer on the right and Dickson has to be worth a try over Fox's inability to pick up players...

 

Try this.

 

 

I think Dickson has about a zero percentage chance of playing in the first team. If he had any sort of chance of figuring on Saturday then he's have played last night. He's only got a number because the PL rules say we have to give him one unless we have 25 other senior players. Anyway he's absolute crap and would get taken apart by Baines in the first few seconds. We don't want him here but no-one wants to pay up his contract.

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I think Dickson has about a zero percentage chance of playing in the first team. If he had any sort of chance of figuring on Saturday then he's have played last night. He's only got a number because the PL rules say we have to give him one unless we have 25 other senior players. Anyway he's absolute crap and would get taken apart by Baines in the first few seconds. We don't want him here but no-one wants to pay up his contract.

 

They wouldn't be up against each other as they are both left backs.

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They wouldn't be up against each other as they are both left backs.

 

 

And managers don't deliberately switch a player to the other side to exploit a very evident weakness? Anyway the question is purely academic Dickson will not play in the first team barring a virus knocking all but 10 other players out of contention. I think Fox has been playing with injections of late, would he have been doing that if Dickson was in any way a viable alternative...I don't think so. The bloke is garbage but earns too much to make him of interest to any lower league team. He said so himself back in the summer...well not that he was garbage but that Saints didn't want him but no-one could afford him.

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The way people are talking you'd think we were playing Barcelona on Saturday. Everton are a very good side no doubt about it, but if we can press high up the pitch and get our passing game going like we did 2nd half against Villa we can get something.

 

There is no point trying to defend deep or "park the bus" as we are too poor at the back to do this successfully against any side in this league.

 

Gazza

 

Richardson

Fonte

Yoshida

Clyne

 

Schneiderlin

Davis

 

Puncheon

Ramirez

Lallana

 

Lambert

 

Subs: Boruc, Rodriguez, Mayuka, Jos, Fox, JWP, Guly

 

I'm with your team selection. Why would Adders change anything, you simply don't change a winning team especially one coming off the back of a 4-1 thrashing of Villa and high on confidence.

 

I do not agree with many of the pessimists. If the lads follow Adders creed, get the ball, pass the ball, hold the ball then why not 3-0 for Saints. If we choke off the supply to their strikers and Steve Davis and Morgan are terrific at this then it could be all on way traffic. Leeds have probably sown a seed or two of doubt and we need to get at tem and score early to frighten the **** out of the buggers.

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I think Dickson has about a zero percentage chance of playing in the first team. If he had any sort of chance of figuring on Saturday then he's have played last night. He's only got a number because the PL rules say we have to give him one unless we have 25 other senior players. Anyway he's absolute crap and would get taken apart by Baines in the first few seconds. We don't want him here but no-one wants to pay up his contract.
We should have held onto Dan Harding really. At least until we were sure we had solid back-up at left-back.
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It wont be a 'potential' live stream, there WILL be a live stream! How many times do we have to put it on here?!

 

Go to http://www.wiziwig.tv

 

or

 

http://www.thefirstrow.eu

 

And you will find a stream of every Premier League game. Flash ones are fine but I prefer to use SopCast ones as they are usually much higher in quality and better to watch.

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Cheers for that Dan, apologies for not having seen this all the other times it's been posted on here, most of my time is spent reading the pompey takeover sage ;)

 

No problem! just get annoyed seeing it posted on every build up thread. :) I may eventually get around to sorting a 'sticky' (hopefully) explaining the live streaming and the different options available just so everyone knows and it is always there for everyone to see.

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We should have held onto Dan Harding really. At least until we were sure we had solid back-up at left-back.

 

When you are offered half a million for someone who is know where near premier league standard and struggled in the champ, squad depth means nothing.

 

We can get by with Clyne at LB and Richardson at RB or a variety of other combinations till jan then sack Fox back off to Burnley and get a couple of people in who are actually good enough.

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When you are offered half a million for someone who is know where near premier league standard and struggled in the champ, squad depth means nothing.

 

We can get by with Clyne at LB and Richardson at RB or a variety of other combinations till jan then sack Fox back off to Burnley and get a couple of people in who are actually good enough.

The point is the only cover we have for our very shaky left-back is our right back. Not how a sqaud should be set up. No-one pretend Hading was Premier League standard, but we've held onto Fox and he isn't either.
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4-2-3-1 for me with Rodriguez leading the line and Lambert playing as the second striker in the hole with Lallana and Ramirez on the wings.

 

This allows Lambert to drop deep or go wide to collect the ball and make the play. He can also drop back into midfield when needed to give us the extra man.

 

Rickie always play better when he's got someone in front of him creating space behind them for him to attack. And Rodriguez has the pace we need to lead the line.

 

Davis and Morgan can shield the back line and Lallana and Ramirez can provide the creativity and pace down the wings to pin back the Everton fullbacks

 

....................Gazzinaga.............................

 

Richardson.........Fonte...........Yoshida.........Clyne

 

..............Davis................Morgan..................

 

....Lallana..........Lambert...........Ramirez.........

 

..................Rodriguez.............................

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The point is the only cover we have for our very shaky left-back is our right back. Not how a sqaud should be set up. No-one pretend Hading was Premier League standard, but we've held onto Fox and he isn't either.

 

In no universe is Harding ever going to be worth half a million quid again, it's a similar scale to spending something like £14m on fletcher or what ever was spent on Jarvis (just with a lower standard of player).

 

I assume the original intent was to buy a new left back, but things didn't quite work out for what ever reason. We can make do for now as having Harding at the moment would leave us in exactly the same position but with 3 senior left backs who are for the scrap heap instead of two.

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I would have thought that if (and it's a big if) one of our centre backs was going to play left back' date=' the most likely would be Yoshida.[/quote']

 

Agree- but it would be a stupid move. Adkins subs vs Villa clearly showed that he has realsied that for us attack is the best for of defence. If we arent a threat going forward then Everton win, simple as.

 

Teams like WH might be able to sit back and play one isolated striker and nick a point but we can't. After the Villa game I would be disappointed if we abandoned our natural game - there hasnt been much wrong with it apart from defensive errors and largely we eradicated these vs Villa.

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You're right, it probably would look like that if we tried playing it. Playing a completely new formation would be a ****ing mess, especially as we're still getting used to the current one.

 

--------------Gazzaniga

Clyne-----Fonte-----Yoshida-----Hooiveld

-----------Davis-----Morgan

---------------Ramirez

Puncheon--------------------------Lallana

---------------Lambert

 

There is a need for some extra bulk to deal with the physical threat of Fellaini and Anichebe, but we need to keep it simple and stick to what we know to get any sort of continuity. When Baines overlaps, Clyne goes to him, Fonte goes to Pienaar, Yoshida goes to the Near post and Hooiveld goes to the far post. If Fellaini gets in the box, we have 3 against 2 in midfield to start a counter if the ball drops to us.

 

You're right too ! we both agree on 10 players who should be on the pitch to give us the best chance of a result. and using your line up, I would also put in Morgan.

Probably our current best 11 ? Lets hope they don't make a ****ing mess of it .

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The way people are talking you'd think we were playing Barcelona on Saturday. Everton are a very good side no doubt about it, but if we can press high up the pitch and get our passing game going like we did 2nd half against Villa we can get something.

 

There is no point trying to defend deep or "park the bus" as we are too poor at the back to do this successfully against any side in this league.

 

Gazza

 

Richardson

Fonte

Yoshida

Clyne

 

Schneiderlin

Davis

 

Puncheon

Ramirez

Lallana

 

Lambert

 

Subs: Boruc, Rodriguez, Mayuka, Jos, Fox, JWP, Guly

 

Thank you! That line up is the one. I was beginning to lose all hope.

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The problem playing Everton is that they are a tough, physical side who are really going to get in our faces. They eat sides like us for breakfast. Look what happened when they played Swansea (similar in style to us, a half decent side who like to pass the ball) - they steamrolled them! They simply dont give sides like us or Swansea any time on the ball, so they will disrupt our passing game and we are bound to make mistakes.

 

But we cant fight fire with fire and hope to outmuscle them, so what an earth do you do? I hope to God Adkins has a gameplan - would love to hear it!!

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The problem playing Everton is that they are a tough, physical side who are really going to get in our faces. They eat sides like us for breakfast. Look what happened when they played Swansea (similar in style to us, a half decent side who like to pass the ball) - they steamrolled them! They simply dont give sides like us or Swansea any time on the ball, so they will disrupt our passing game and we are bound to make mistakes.

 

But we cant fight fire with fire and hope to outmuscle them, so what an earth do you do? I hope to God Adkins has a gameplan - would love to hear it!!

 

 

Swansea are overated, this season at least, they're not the same side without Sinclair and Sigurdsson. Will do well to survive in the PL this time round.

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The problem playing Everton is that they are a tough, physical side who are really going to get in our faces. They eat sides like us for breakfast. Look what happened when they played Swansea (similar in style to us, a half decent side who like to pass the ball) - they steamrolled them! They simply dont give sides like us or Swansea any time on the ball, so they will disrupt our passing game and we are bound to make mistakes.

 

But we cant fight fire with fire and hope to outmuscle them, so what an earth do you do? I hope to God Adkins has a gameplan - would love to hear it!!

 

Do what Leeds did to them.

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Thank you! That line up is the one. I was beginning to lose all hope.

Sorry, but playing Frazer at RB is a recipe for disaster, don't get me wrong I like him, but we need Clyne at RB to try to negate the threat from Baines & Pienaar. Their right side is not so much of a threat (Neville), hence why it would probably make sense to play Yosh at LB (where is can play) and use Jos in the middle to counter Fellaini. Otherwise side is what I would pick, actually we are getting close to having a side that picks itself.

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