Player's Wages

[Armitage Shanks]

Does anyone have any reliable information on how much people such as Lambert, Ramirez, Mayuka and Lallana are being paid?

[doggface]

I hear gaston is top wage earner on £38k pw plus bonuses.

[Window Cleaner]

I hear gaston is top wage earner on £38k pw plus bonuses.

 

I thought he was supposed to be on 3 million a year. Big bonuses then;

[stevegrant]

Very unlikely to ever get individual player details like that, I'd have thought.

 

That said, it should be possible to make educated guesses.

 

We more or less know as a fact that Lee Barnard is on £13k a week, as Bournemouth are paying 100% of them while he's on loan down there

 

We know that Lambert doubled his money when he moved here from Bristol Rovers in 2009 (source: Bristol Rovers chairman on their OS when he left), which local sources at the time claimed would see him on around £9k a week. Add in two promotion pay rises (presumably agreed as a percentage as part of his contract), and I think he's already had one new contract as well, I'd be surprised if he's on less than £20-25k a week now.

 

Ramirez will be on huge money - you don't move for a £12m transfer fee without getting a big salary along with it. Press reports were £45k after tax, which would suggest around £85-90k a week

[Red Alert]

I would think that although Boruc has come in on a free, he will be getting a decent wedge too.

[Pilchards]

I know that Fourpast is on 2 packets of pork scratchings & free pair of goalie gloves a week.

[david in sweden]

before we start to get..... surprised / upset /angry / outraged at some of the figures quoted above......and start to compare them with (most) fans salaries ........(here I am assuming that we don't have TOO many of this site who earn 38K week or more)...perhaps we ought to remind ourselves that they still have to pay tax, regardless of their amount of their salary..and many who are reliant on agents to handle their affairs may be up paying 20% of it to the greedy barstewards.

 

Of course it's OK if you are a class player... and have a 15 year career in a top side then you can put some away and prepare for a life after football.... but very few do so successfully.

The career span (at top level) is often quite short - especially if you get seriously injured - and those who suddenly leave Prem.sides, and drop down a league or two quickly find the reality of lower standards of living a bit of a shock.

 

However, as someone has highlighted Rickie Lambert (above) I think IMHO ...for someone who worked in a beetroot-packing factory.... and made his way through four leagues ....and has become a star attraction in the Prem...I don't begrudge him one penny of whatever he's on.

 

He's earned it all, and given a many of us a great deal of joy. Well done Rickie.

Edited 25 September, 2012 by david in sweden

[up and away]

Very unlikely to ever get individual player details like that, I'd have thought.

 

That said, it should be possible to make educated guesses.

 

We more or less know as a fact that Lee Barnard is on £13k a week, as Bournemouth are paying 100% of them while he's on loan down there

 

We know that Lambert doubled his money when he moved here from Bristol Rovers in 2009 (source: Bristol Rovers chairman on their OS when he left), which local sources at the time claimed would see him on around £9k a week. Add in two promotion pay rises (presumably agreed as a percentage as part of his contract), and I think he's already had one new contract as well, I'd be surprised if he's on less than £20-25k a week now.

 

Ramirez will be on huge money - you don't move for a £12m transfer fee without getting a big salary along with it. Press reports were £45k after tax, which would suggest around £85-90k a week

 

When we had all the comments coming back and forth during the transfer, Ramirez explicitly underlined the after tax, as if pre tax just did not tell the whole story.This led me to believe that Cortese was looking at setting up a "Jimmy Carr tax plan" to avoid paying the vast majority of the tax. The 45k may well be about right though I thought it may have been in the high 30's. Paying one player far higher than other members of the team can cause problems but when you have the talent to go with it that should disappear.

[Window Cleaner]

I know that Fourpast is on 2 packets of pork scratchings & free pair of goalie gloves a week.

 

 

Largely overpaid then

[Saintandy666]

Well, apparently the average premier league wage is about 22k a week.

[The9]

When we had all the comments coming back and forth during the transfer, Ramirez explicitly underlined the after tax, as if pre tax just did not tell the whole story.This led me to believe that Cortese was looking at setting up a "Jimmy Carr tax plan" to avoid paying the vast majority of the tax. The 45k may well be about right though I thought it may have been in the high 30's. Paying one player far higher than other members of the team can cause problems but when you have the talent to go with it that should disappear.

 

Rather than any dubious tax practices, I think it was more that Italian clubs generally deal in "netto", Ruud Gullit used it as a contract negotiation tool when he left Chelsea as manager (having previously played for Sampdoria and Milan). http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/football-chelsea-claim-gullit-wanted-pounds-33m-a-year-1144766.html

 

""I said to him, `Well Ruud, if you misunderstood, the figure was pounds 1m per year gross. Would you have accepted that?' And he flatly said no. Ruud, who is a master of the media, very craftily said today that he asked for pounds 2m. He did ask for pounds 2m and I immediately responded and said, `Gross?' And he said, `No, netto. I always talk netto.'"

[saint_ed]

Prior to Ramirez signing, Steven Davis was our highest earner on £30k pw.

[The9]

As for Ramirez, the first we knew about the potential deal was this :

 

"I have got a four-year contract with some big numbers.

 

“They give me so much money – €2M net per year and €1M for signing.”

 

http://www.insidefutbol.com/2012/08/17/they-will-pay-me-so-much-money-liverpool-target-gaston-ramirez-set-for-southampton/67264/#4MsI8OohhxijlbFJ.99

 

That's £1,589,304 after tax per annum at the current exchange rate, or near as dammit £30k a week (after tax).

Edited 25 September, 2012 by The9

[stevegrant]

Surely €2m net per year means €2m per year AFTER tax?

[Matthew Le God]

Ramirez will be on huge money - you don't move for a £12m transfer fee without getting a big salary along with it. Press reports were £45k after tax, which would suggest around £85-90k a week

 

I think that is extremely unlikely. Very few 21 year olds (if any) in world football would be on £90k p/w. We simply had no need to offer him that much, he wasn't on a big wage at Bologna and we were the only team that bid for him, so no wage race started.

 

£35k p/w before tax would be my guess.

Edited 25 September, 2012 by Matthew Le God

[The Kraken]

MLG, what were your reports for Lee and Rodriguez? £25K per week, is that right?

[Crab Lungs]

I think that is extremely unlikely. Very few 21 year olds (if any) in world football would be on £90k p/w. We simply had no need to offer him that much, he wasn't on a big wage at Bologna and we were the only team that bid for him, so no wage race started.

 

£35k p/w before tax would be my guess.

 

You're massively wrong.

[Matthew Le God]

You're massively wrong.

 

Which other 21 year olds in world football do you think are on £90k p/w or more?

[Nexstar]

Which other 21 year olds in world football do you think are on £90k p/w or more?

 

Neymar must be around that region

[The Kraken]

Neymar must be around that region

 

Hazard too.

[Matthew Le God]

Neymar must be around that region

 

A Brazilian club paying £90,000 per week to one player? Really?

[Matthew Le God]

Hazard too.

 

So a player that is a regular (and seemingly key player) for the European Champions and cost them £32 million, is on similar wages to a Southampton player that cost £12m?

 

That is one example in the whole of world football then (I won't count Neymar as Santos won't be paying him anywhere near £90k p/w).

[Crab Lungs]

Which other 21 year olds in world football do you think are on £90k p/w or more?

 

Eden Hazard, Oscar to name two.

 

I'd imagine any assortment of young Brazilians/Africans/Argentinians in the Russian League's aren't far off. Besides, with Neymar's sponsorship deals etc he's probably not that far away either. The lad at PSG, Verrati is probably on a good wedge too. De Gea won't be far off that.

 

Ramirez is not on 90k p/w, but he's definitely not on 38k p/w before tax.

[The Kraken]

So a player that is a regular (and seemingly key player) for the European Champions and cost them £32 million, is on similar wages to a Southampton player that cost £12m?

 

That is one example in the whole of world football then (I won't count Neymar as Santos won't be paying him anywhere near £90k p/w).

 

I think you're confusing me with someone who believes Ramirez is on £90K per week, MLG.

[doughnutman]

Which other 21 year olds in world football do you think are on £90k p/w or more?

 

Wayne Rooney was I expect

[Matthew Le God]

Eden Hazard, Oscar to name two.

 

I'd imagine any assortment of young Brazilians/Africans/Argentinians in the Russian League's aren't far off. Besides, with Neymar's sponsorship deals etc he's probably not that far away either. The lad at PSG, Verrati is probably on a good wedge too. De Gea won't be far off that.

 

Ramirez is not on 90k p/w, but he's definitely not on 38k p/w before tax.

 

So you are comparing Ramirez to key players at Chelsea and Man Utd?

 

Saints were the only team to bid for Ramirez and his wage at Bologna wasn't that great, simply no need for them to go so high above every other Saints player.

 

Neymar's sponsorship deals are separate from his wages so not really relevant as the club isn't paying him for that, his sponsors are.

[Nexstar]

A Brazilian club paying £90,000 per week to one player? Really?

 

One of the richest clubs in Brazil paying one of the brightest young talents in world football 90k a week? Possible.

[The Kraken]

Having signed for Man City and being put straight into the first team, Jack Rodwell would perhaps be a candidate (purely given what his peers at City are on). Balotelli last year also, perhaps (before he turned 22).

[doughnutman]

Ramirez was quoted on August 17 as saying: "I could not refuse, it's the classic offer you cannot refuse...they are giving me so much more money that would go towards my family and my future." Would suggest that the money we offered was significantly higher than he was on at Bologna. Similarly, Liverpool and Spurs were credited with an interest (I believe Spurs failed in a bid at some stage?) Im sure we'd have made a high monetary offer to set ourselves aside from them.

[stevegrant]

A Brazilian club paying £90,000 per week to one player? Really?

Yes. For all that you claim to be knowledgeable about football, you seem to actually know very little.

 

Brazilian football has had a ridiculous amount of money thrown at it in recent years, hence why players like Neymar are happy to stay and play in their domestic league rather than take the first available offer from Europe. It's also why the likes of Clarence Seedorf have chosen to join the Brazilian league rather than go to the middle east for a last big payday.

[Matthew Le God]

I think you're confusing me with someone who believes Ramirez is on £90K per week, MLG.

 

Having signed for Man City and being put straight into the first team, Jack Rodwell would perhaps be a candidate (purely given what his peers at City are on). Balotelli last year also, perhaps (before he turned 22).

 

So what point are you trying to make? All people are doing is listing a handful of players that play for some of the biggest and richest clubs in the world.

[The Kraken]

Ramirez said we were the only club to come in with a bid; Spurs and Liverpool were just "interested" but apparently came through with no bids.

[doughnutman]

You said name some 21 year olds who are likely to be on 90k per week? You got it.

[Saint Garrett]

Thought it was worked out at £38k after tax. So about £60k/week.

[Matthew Le God]

Ramirez said we were the only club to come in with a bid; Spurs and Liverpool were just "interested" but apparently came through with no bids.

 

So no need to offer him huge money then, merely an upgrade on what he was getting at Bologna plus the offer of Premier League football would do.

[The Kraken]

So what point are you trying to make? All people are doing is listing a handful of players that play for some of the biggest and richest clubs in the world.

 

I was simply answering your assertion that "very few players (if any) will be on £90K per week".

 

No need to get all sniffy about it when you brought it up in the first place. Sheesh.

[Matthew Le God]

You said name some 21 year olds who are likely to be on 90k per week? You got it.

 

All listing the handful of players from some of the world's biggest and richest clubs did is support my point that it is unlikely a player Southampton signed without competition from other bidders for £12m, would need to be offered anywhere near £90k p/w.

[The9]

Surely €2m net per year means €2m per year AFTER tax?

 

Yup, don't know why I typed the opposite, edited now !

Edited 25 September, 2012 by The9

[Matthew Le God]

I was simply answering your assertion that "very few players (if any) will be on £90K per week".

 

No need to get all sniffy about it when you brought it up in the first place. Sheesh.

 

I said "very few (if any)", and given the mere handful of names listed, I appear to be right. Plus they are all at some of the world's biggest and richest clubs playing in European competitions.

[The Kraken]

I said "very few (if any)", and given the mere handful of names listed, I appear to be right.

 

Not about the "if any" part, no. It would seem there are likely to be some.

[Matthew Le God]

Not about the "if any" part, no. It would seem there are likely to be some.

 

That is an odd way of using the phrase "very few (if any)" out of context. My statement simply says there won't be many and there is the possibility it might be none at all. Finding a handful of examples does not make me wrong, it actually supports my statement, I merely said there is also the possibility there could be none, not that there definitely is none.

[The Kraken]

It's ok MLG, it was only a minor error x

[Nexstar]

So what point are you trying to make? All people are doing is listing a handful of players that play for some of the biggest and richest clubs in the world.

 

Santos being one of the biggest clubs, with a stadium holding under 16,000.

[Crab Lungs]

MLG, you asked what players were likely to be earning over £90k. People suggested them.

 

Then you moved the goalposts and claimed it was not in direct comparison as Saints aren't in the same financial league as Chelsea/Real Madrid etc.

 

Btw, do you know anyone at Saints who can confirm or deny salaries? No, ok then. Well shut the f**k up.

[Matthew Le God]

It's ok MLG, it was only a minor error x

 

Not an error at all. I merely said "very few if any", not an uncommon phrase to use.

 

Santos being one of the biggest clubs, with a stadium holding under 16,000.

 

Which therefore makes it even more unlikely they are paying someone £90k p/w.

[Saint Garrett]

Neymar will be on an absolute fortune, or he would have moved to Europe way before now,

 

Isn't he on over €1m per month ?!

Edited 25 September, 2012 by Saint Garrett

[Nexstar]

Not an error at all. I merely said "very few if any", not an uncommon phrase to use.

 

 

 

Which therefore makes it even more unlikely they are paying someone £90k p/w.

 

Or more possible we are, based on your comparison system.

[Matthew Le God]

MLG, you asked what players were likely to be earning over £90k. People suggested them.

 

Then you moved the goalposts and claimed it was not in direct comparison as Saints aren't in the same financial league as Chelsea/Real Madrid etc.

 

I didn't "move the goalposts", my original point would be that there would be very few if any 21 year olds in world football that would be on £90k p/w. I asked which players might be on such wages. All people have done is support my point by naming very few players, and those they have are playing for some of the biggest and richest clubs in the world and also in European competitions.

 

Do you not think that Saints had little need to offer Ramirez anywhere near those kinds of figures considering we were the only team with a bid accepted? AN upgrade on his wages at Bologna, fee for joining, agent fee and the offer of Premier League football should suffice.

[Saint Garrett]

So you rather believe yourself rather than the words that came out of his mouth when he was signing !?

[Nexstar]

So you rather believe yourself rather than the words that came out of his mouth when he was signing !?

 

The thought of him being wrong is incomprehensible, so don't even question it.