Giordano Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 No mistakes, complimented by NA on catching, kicking and a good block. Does this warrant him being dropped for Boruc or KD in the very next match? Pushed out to sub on the bench or even third choice not in the 25? I think that if the rationale was to drop KD due to 14 goals conceded and try something different, and that something different has worked, I think NA should start Gazzaniga v Everton myself. I also dont think KD needs to play v wednesday to get his mojo back. I think Boruc should start with KD on the bench for that. Depending upon that performance then Saturday i would start Gazza with either KD or Boruc sub keeper, ie a possibility of KD not even making the 25, almost unthinkable barely two weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 Absolutely yes, did nothing wrong. Looked confident and composed, one decent save in the second half. It's his shirt at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 Wouldn't surprise me to see Boruc in goal from here on in. Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 Gut feel is that Boruc will start vs Everton. I wonder...when was the last time a Premier League side fielded 3 different keepers in three successive games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 I very much doubt Boruc will be match fit though? I would say it would be harsh to drop Gazza. KD has a larger role to play at the club - Club Captain, coaching the younger goalies (Gazza and Cropper etc.) and generally being a good influence around the place. He'll be a fine back-up still. I would say Gazza to start, KD on the bench again - Boruc will get an U21 match or 2 under his belt and get some match sharpness first. Just my gut feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 Absolutely yes, did nothing wrong. Looked confident and composed, one decent save in the second half. It's his shirt at the moment. This for me. I believe with GK's the shirt is theirs to lose. Gazza's performance on sat certainly warranted another crack at the very least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 I very much doubt that Boruc would start.....he probably hasn't played/trained for weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 I think Gazza should get the nod just for his attempts at timewasting in the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 Gazza if Boruc not fit - thought he looked like he had swagger and confidence which was nice to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 Boruc ! ABSOLUTELY! If he's gonna do the job, Goodison will be a good test for him. Gazzaniga did nothing wrong, but tbf......he had (almost) nothing to do ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 I think Gazza should get the nod just for his attempts at timewasting in the second half. And his kick down field that our 3rd came from...... Better than kicking it into the Kingsland anyway lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 Adkins makes people earn their way into the team. Gazzaniga will/should start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 Boruc ! ABSOLUTELY! If he's gonna do the job, Goodison will be a good test for him. Gazzaniga did nothing wrong, but tbf......he had (almost) nothing to do ......Don't you think he might have to get fit first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 Don't you think he might have to get fit first? Is he not fit now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 Is he not fit now? He has been a free agent, and you know how big Adkins is on fitness. And this is the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 He has been a free agent, and you know how big Adkins is on fitness. And this is the Premier League. So.. How do you know he has not been training like mad at celtic... Or at one of the other clubs in the UK? I think he will get a game tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 So.. How do you know he has not been training like mad at celtic... Or at one of the other clubs in the UK? I think he will get a game tomorrow I have no idea. I wasn't disagreeing with you, just trying to put forward reasons why he might not be Adkins fit! Either of you two could be right, I guess we'll find out tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 I think Gazzaniga knew he was a stop gap for the Villa game, I expect Boruc to start next weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 I reckon boruc will play tomorrow to see how match fit he is and to get game time. If he has a blinder then he'll start on Saturday, if shakey then gazza will be back in. Imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 I thought Gazza looked very assured but would start with Boruc, basically because it will be a very intimidating atmosphere and he'll be buoyed up by aiming to prove them wrong for not signing him . I'd also take the opportunity now to offer KD a new role as a reward for his service in the coaching area, but only playing in extreme circumstances from here on in. Needs quick, decisive, and sensitive management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 How much difference is there between fit and 'saints fit' if you're a keeper FFS?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintstr1 Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 If 100% fit Boruc starts at Everton with Gazza on the bench. Sort of match that is made for Boruc to display his ability,he is a very confident(some say Cocky) goalkeeper and will love the pressure cooker atmosphere at Goodison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 (edited) 'Did nothing wrong' suggests we should play him until he fcks up? Which seems harsh, and unsustainable unless we rotate all 3 based on fck ups. Gazzaniga should get experience and games when needed, but Boruc is a different level of quality right now. If he's fit then he should play as he's clearly no.1. not being harsh Adrians, but if you were a Prem. manager...... and could choose between playing a 20 year old who'd had half a season in L1 ..and one home game in the Prem. OR An experienced international goalie with 46 caps and over 300 league games - (and a lot of clean sheets) - behind him.....and you were taking a team to Goodison Park...who would you choose? Obviously its down to fitness, but the man is a dedicated professional. I don't believe he's been sat in front of his TV drinking six packs throughout the summer....just because he was OOC. and naturally Gazzaniga needs matches, but a string of clean sheets for the U21 side would be good prep. for games against top class Prem.sides - wouldn't it ? Edited 24 September, 2012 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 Have to start Gazza, Boruc has had the summer off by the looks of things and will probably need a couple of weeks to get back into the flow. Plus Gazza put in a good shift against Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 (edited) Edited 24 September, 2012 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 I'm not sure that I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 No contest at the moment, Gazza will start. To drop him now would be a poor management decision and NA does not act like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 I'm not sure that I agree. Fair enough ...we'll agree to disagree then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 No contest at the moment, Gazza will start. To drop him now would be a poor management decision and NA does not act like that. why bring in a top top keeper then..... the top keeper would have probably preferred to sit on the bench at goodison rather than SMS. boruc will start at the weekend unless he he injured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 why bring in a top top keeper then..... the top keeper would have probably preferred to sit on the bench at goodison rather than SMS. boruc will start at the weekend unless he he injured Although I agree that he will become our no 1, it would be incredibly harsh on Gazza if he were to be dropped after his performance on Saturday, especially seeing as though Boruc hasn't played a game for however long. Think Gazza will start at Everton and maybe Boruc vs Fulham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 Although I agree that he will become our no 1, it would be incredibly harsh on Gazza if he were to be dropped after his performance on Saturday, especially seeing as though Boruc hasn't played a game for however long. Think Gazza will start at Everton and maybe Boruc vs Fulham. harsh maybe......but this is football you play your best players IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 If he is 100% fit and ready then play him, but I think he needs to get used to his back 4, get up to speed again and earn his way into the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 If he is 100% fit and ready then play him, but I think he needs to get used to his back 4, get up to speed again and earn his way into the side. maybe...we shall see I will be amazed if we left out Boruc over a 21 year old with 1 un-troubled) game under his belt...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 I reckon KD will start, it is his birthday on Saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 I reckon KD will start, it is his birthday on Saturday Has he asked for new legs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 Goalkeeper is the one position that you can get away with not being 100% match fit for. I expect Boruc to start at Everton and be our number 1. He was training with Everton and expected to sign a deal with them, until we managed to beat them to a deal. Surely being installed as number 1 will have tipped the balance in favour of signing for us, as he wasn't going to dislodge Tim Howard. gazza did ok, but hardly had a thing to do, and if you wanted to be really critical you could look at him for their goal. Goodison is no place to continue with this experiment and risk a Bart like Blackpool performance, it could set him back. I would go Boruc number 1, Kelvin number 2 and loan out Gazza to a Championship side if possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westmidlandsaint Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 on Boruc - how match fit does a keeper need to be? it's not like they are going to be box to box for 90 minutes. Surely its more about reactions, agility and working on communications with the defence, hence why keepers can play up till there 40's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 Gazza will start Boruc has only just come into the building, and as we have seen with all the new signings none of them have breezed straight into the side. Kelvin will be in tomorrow. If Boruc was in that great shape someone would have had him in their squad before now and he would not be a free agent. I thought the chat was that he IS the 3rd keeper, so it's up to him to get a space. Gazza's kick outs on Satuday were pretty damn accurate regardless of where he was putting them, this playing out from the the defenders this last 2 seasons has been solely down to Kelvin spraying his goal kick all over the place (mainly into touch) now you have a major play of Gazza to Rickie knock down to Gaston pass out the whichever member of the Cavalry coming up the field offers the best option. No longer are we stuck with a main play that can be picked off by classy international opposition players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 on Boruc - how match fit does a keeper need to be? it's not like they are going to be box to box for 90 minutes. Surely its more about reactions, agility and working on communications with the defence, hence why keepers can play up till there 40's. I remember when Richard Wright came in under Pearson. despite not having played much lately, he set about organsing our back 4 and we looked more confident for it. I don't know if Boruc is that sort of guy, but I'd have thought that 2 years in Italy mean he will have some sort of understand of what's required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willo Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 I remember when Niemi first came to Saints, at a time when Paul Jones had had a very decent few games. Strachan (it seemed) didn't feel he could drop Jones, but as soon as he made a mistake (IIRC the howler vs Derby away), Niemi was installed as No.1. The same could happen with Gazza - he keeps his place for as long has he avoids a bad mistake...but when one happens, Boruc will assume the role we bought him for... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 I remember when Niemi first came to Saints, at a time when Paul Jones had had a very decent few games. Strachan (it seemed) didn't feel he could drop Jones, but as soon as he made a mistake (IIRC the howler vs Derby away), Niemi was installed as No.1. The same could happen with Gazza - he keeps his place for as long has he avoids a bad mistake...but when one happens, Boruc will assume the role we bought him for... the same can't be said of gazza...he has not been no.1 for more than one game..where he was very much untested.... Boruc will start saturday, otherwise, what is the point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 the same can't be said of gazza...he has not been no.1 for more than one game..where he was very much untested.... Boruc will start saturday, otherwise, what is the point So if he doesn't start one game, which would have been when he's with the club less than a week, there is no point signing him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 I remember when Niemi first came to Saints, at a time when Paul Jones had had a very decent few games. Strachan (it seemed) didn't feel he could drop Jones, but as soon as he made a mistake (IIRC the howler vs Derby away), Niemi was installed as No.1. The same could happen with Gazza - he keeps his place for as long has he avoids a bad mistake...but when one happens, Boruc will assume the role we bought him for... Jones had been number 1 and a Premiership keeper for a few years. Gazza hasn't played 50 games in his entire career. Unless he really is a boy wonder ala Shilts, I expect Boruc to start Sat. In fact if Gazza does and gives us a Bart like performance (which can happen to any youngster) Nigel will have made a balls up. Goodison is not the place to play a young Keeper when you have an experianced international on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 Gazzaniga was impressive in probably Nigel Adkins most important game for a long time. He didn't put a foot wrong, made one top class save and the centre backs were confident in front of him. Look at it this way if Boruc now replaced him and messed up in the next game he would be in a difficult position. Give Gazzaniga his chance, furthermore I suspect the signing of Boruc had more to do with Davis's dire displays and the problem if Gazzaniga was injured having only Davis as a goalkeeping option. It was a window of opportunity that wouldn't be available much longer, as we had a goalkeeping crisis, we grabbed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 If Boruc starts against Wednesday then I think he will stand a chance starting against Everton. If not, then there's no way. Boruc will need time to get to know the back four and where the runs come from. And there's the match sharpness question. I've alway been a fan of KD as a shot stopper but some of his distribution in the first few games has been woeful (resulting in the pen vs. Man Utd as one example). Well as Gazza did, he didn't get peppered by Aston Villa and that was as easy an intro to the Premiership as he could have hoped. Impressed by his distribution though, certainly an improvement and relieves the pressure. So if Boruc doesn't start tomorrow, then KD will and Gazza will go as No. 1 to Everton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 PS. what was the name of the GK we got mid season during and injury crisis who had been selling double glazing? Nigel someone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 IMO whoever is lined up to play at Everton out of Gazza and Boruc should play tomorrow night. Both need games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/saints-vs-sheff-wed-preview-388184.aspx "Paulo Gazzaniga, fresh from his league debut in Saturday's win over Villa, will hope to start again" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 PS. what was the name of the GK we got mid season during and injury crisis who had been selling double glazing? Nigel someone? Kevin Miller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 not being harsh Adrians, but if you were a Prem. manager...... and could choose between playing a 20 year old who'd had half a season in L1 ..and one home game in the Prem. OR An experienced international goalie with 46 caps and over 300 league games - (and a lot of clean sheets) - behind him.....and you were taking a team to Goodison Park...who would you choose? Obviously its down to fitness, but the man is a dedicated professional. I don't believe he's been sat in front of his TV drinking six packs throughout the summer....just because he was OOC. and naturally Gazzaniga needs matches, but a string of clean sheets for the U21 side would be good prep. for games against top class Prem.sides - wouldn't it ? I saw Boruc lose to Germany in the World cup a while back and can say I have never seen a performance by such a man mountain. Borucs been at Everton training up to last weekend and previously home in Poland training at his old club, so how fit is anyones guess. By Thursday they will have watched him in training enough to know if he's up for it or not and I doubt there will be any question if he's anywhere near as good as he was before. He has had some mental health issues but that seems common for goalies. If the staff are unsure about Boruc I would expect him to start against SWeds to find out where they stand. My view is biased from what I have seen previously without knowing if he's the same player. Hard on Gazzaninga when he has done nothing wrong but I expect there to be no issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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