wadesmith Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 And I'm not surprised the corporate areas are empty, its a complete rip off. I met up with 2 mates after the game yesterday who took a couple of clients in the Mick Channon suite; they said it was embarrassingly bad. Awful service, enormously slow to buy drinks from the bar, and the only food on sale were hot dogs, croque monsieurs and chicken caesar wraps. Said they'd have been much, much better off going for a meal in town and just having regular seats for the game. The above typifies modern football. I used to get the hump if my Bovril was too cold....now someones brassed off about the paucity of choice between 'croque monsieurs' and 'chicken ceasar wraps'. 'how was the football love?', 'could have been better..my croque monsieur was ****' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 I never tire of that picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Malc Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 Feels like our stadium is kinda the right size, doesn't it? It has always bemused me as to why people think that we would ever get more than 32,500. I've been going since the mid-sixties and, apart from numerous Japanese folk in the ground yesterday (hundreds rather than thousands), I can remember very few games where demand outstripped supply. Even in the early seventies when the Dell had a capacity of 31,000, that was rarely filled to capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 I never tire of that picture. Eh? First time I've ever posted it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 Having checked on wiki and google it seems the 22nd of September is traditionally the popular date in the calendar for surprise great aunties birthday parties so that might explain it. Well my niece had a birthday party but it still did not stop me going to the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 Well my niece had a birthday party but it still did not stop me going to the match. That's because you've got your priorities right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 It's all very confusing though. Just why isn't there this mighty scramble for tickets that was predicted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 It's all very confusing though. Just why isn't there this mighty scramble for tickets that was predicted? How far out of Southampton did you go with your traffic research? Did you check to see if there were any traffic issues in the West Country? Can't have been any problems in Oxfordshire or Warwickshire as the Villa fans got down ok. Wonder if MLG can provide some valid reasons as to why we've only sold out one game at home this season - albeit against the biggest club in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torsaint Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 Seventh biggest in England. Eighth biggest in Britain. Nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 It's all very confusing though. Just why isn't there this mighty scramble for tickets that was predicted? People refrain from going because they like these threads so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 Looked more full to me than Man U did. There seemed to be and odd enty section at the front of the Villa supporters, despite them also "selling out". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 People refrain from going because they like these threads so much Got Any Chris De Burgh concerts coming up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 Got Any Chris De Burgh concerts coming up? Same day as Fulham. Bit of a wrench but at least it'll keep the thread going a few more days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 Wonder if MLG still thinks we need a 45,000 seater? LOL ! Liverpool talking of making Anfield 60,000 and they are short of their capacity most games too (cap 45k average 44k)...numpties if only they had some of our fans to point out the folly in trying to progress! And hark at the Villa fans we can see your empty seats! averaging 35k in a 42k stadium..they'd be better off ground sharing with the brum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 Our gate was pretty darned good for bloody Villa! Seems to me we have just the right sized stadium right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 Averaging over 30k is bloody good. I remember when in League one looking at the likes of Middlesboro and Blackburn struggling to get 20-25k. Remember our fan base up until 10 years ago were used to only having 15k tickets to scramble over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 Villa didn't sell out their end so the numbers are not technically our fault. Plus if you think about it selling 31k is pretty amazing in a recession. We are still at around 95% full. With the cost of tickets going up and many people on south coast losing their jobs I think that's good going. Really have no idea how that could be looked at in a negative way? Why is it that some on here seem to want to try and be little the club every chance they get? Was Anfield sold out today for the Man Utd game? No. Was man city stadium sold out vs Arsenal? No. Was Newcastle sold out? No by quite a lot. Was West Ham sold out? No by about 3k and they want to move to the Olympic stadium! Point is some of you need to let this attendance thing go because only a mong would try and use those stats as a negative. In comparison to all the other teams our % is very good and we have currently the 12th highest average home attendance. If the away end sells out that will increase. Having three home games vs teams over 150 miles away will affect that. It really does amaze me sometimes who we have as fans, or so called fans. If they put as much effort into supporting the club as they do in trying to create arguments then I think they would see just how stupid these threads are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 Any way you look at it, a sold out stadium means that there were more potential customers than the capacity allowed. That would be bad business due to lost revenue. 95% full is near capacity and almost maximum revenue, which is good business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 Good attendance yesterday me thinks ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La BoIS Saint Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 Any way you look at it, a sold out stadium means that there were more potential customers than the capacity allowed. That would be bad business due to lost revenue. 95% full is near capacity and almost maximum revenue, which is good business. Man U must hate it when they sell 76,000 seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersubpuckett Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 I'm stunned some posters think it was a bad attendance yesterday - get a grip you miserable t0ssers. If we're analysing it, another factor as to why we were so disgustingly, can't believe it, plastic and JCL losers short of full capacity might be because pay day for most is next week and therefore money tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 Villa didn't sell out their end so the numbers are not technically our fault. Plus if you think about it selling 31k is pretty amazing in a recession. We are still at around 95% full. With the cost of tickets going up and many people on south coast losing their jobs I think that's good going. Really have no idea how that could be looked at in a negative way? Why is it that some on here seem to want to try and be little the club every chance they get? Was Anfield sold out today for the Man Utd game? No. Was man city stadium sold out vs Arsenal? No. Was Newcastle sold out? No by quite a lot. Was West Ham sold out? No by about 3k and they want to move to the Olympic stadium! Point is some of you need to let this attendance thing go because only a mong would try and use those stats as a negative. In comparison to all the other teams our % is very good and we have currently the 12th highest average home attendance. If the away end sells out that will increase. Having three home games vs teams over 150 miles away will affect that. It really does amaze me sometimes who we have as fans, or so called fans. If they put as much effort into supporting the club as they do in trying to create arguments then I think they would see just how stupid these threads are. Well the stupidity is on the side of those saying we have "maxed out" St Mary's and we are desperate for an extension. Those other games you mention are a good example of the general slow downturn in attendances at the top level that has been happening for a while. Use that as a reason why Saints might not want to rush into a multimillion pound chase for 8,000 new seats and you get attacked by the nutjobs on here ("intelligent posters", sorry) for being "negative", "anti-Saints" and with a "Dell-sized mentality". For the reasons you state above we do not need to rush into any expansion of the ground. Unfortunately the pro-side of this debate were so utterly moronic over the summer that these threads will be around for some time yet. Our ground is perfect as it is for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 Where as going every week becomes a habit, stop going becomes a habit. Still more ex regular fans out there who need to start returning. A few more wins like yesterday and a steady climb up the table will soon see fans return. Its going to take regular qualification for Champions league football before we have any chance of averaging 40k ish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 I'm stunned some posters think it was a bad attendance yesterday - get a grip you miserable t0ssers. If we're analysing it, another factor as to why we were so disgustingly, can't believe it, plastic and JCL losers short of full capacity might be because pay day for most is next week and therefore money tight. They don't. They are simply saying that there is nothing like a scramble for tickets as we were told by certain posters that there would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 23 September, 2012 People refrain from going because they like these threads so much Trousers So utterly, utterly bored of talking about attendances So completely and utterly bored of talking about attendances (because its so obviously and so completely boring) that he comes forward and announces every single time how bored he is of talking about attendances. By posting about how little he cares on every single attendance thread there is going. Trousers Bored about talking about attendances, but not quite bored enough to stop joining in every single time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 Man U must hate it when they sell 76,000 seats. If they did that consistently, they would expand the stadium. It's business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 If they did that consistently, they would expand the stadium. It's business. They do but they can't further or they would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 If they did that consistently, they would expand the stadium. It's business. They do and they can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 I want to know why there is still no word from the intelligent posters that championed and immediate stadium expansion all summer as to what is going wrong and why there is not the predicted mad scramble for tickets every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 They do but they can't further or they would. well, I'm clearly out of the loop regarding their situation, but like I said, they would! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 well, I'm clearly out of the loop regarding their situation, but like I said, they would! The physically can't do it, no other reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 Man Utd prefer to have a section of the crowd who are once a season visitors because they buy all the Ryan Giggs bedspreads and Wayne Rooney face cream so they restrict the total number of season tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 Man Utd prefer to have a section of the crowd who are once a season visitors because they buy all the Ryan Giggs bedspreads and Wayne Rooney face cream so they restrict the total number of season tickets. It's also FA legislation that a certain amount of tickets have to be made available to fans who aren't ST holders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 Can someone please, please, please declare Turkish, CB Fry, The Kraken, This Charming Man* as (drum roll please and silence) the winners of the great stadium expansion debate 2012/13. Then maybe we can have a home game this season without having to put up with threads like this, dripping with smug glee because we haven't had a sell out. This board has been ruined over the last few months by vitriolic and condesending postings and the constant references to a few outlandish statements; all because a couple of dreamers on here thought we needed to expand the stadium. Declare them winners, the other side can stomp of home with the ball and the winners can have a celebratory fag on the swings and we can all move on. *and any else who I have missed whose life would be enhanced by being the winner of this prestigious award. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 Trousers So utterly, utterly bored of talking about attendances So completely and utterly bored of talking about attendances (because its so obviously and so completely boring) that he comes forward and announces every single time how bored he is of talking about attendances. By posting about how little he cares on every single attendance thread there is going. Trousers Bored about talking about attendances, but not quite bored enough to stop joining in every single time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 23 September, 2012 (edited) Can someone please, please, please declare Turkish, CB Fry, The Kraken, This Charming Man* as (drum roll please and silence) the winners of the great stadium expansion debate 2012/13. Then maybe we can have a home game this season without having to put up with threads like this, dripping with smug glee because we haven't had a sell out. This board has been ruined over the last few months by vitriolic and condesending postings and the constant references to a few outlandish statements; all because a couple of dreamers on here thought we needed to expand the stadium. Declare them winners, the other side can stomp of home with the ball and the winners can have a celebratory fag on the swings and we can all move on. *and any else who I have missed whose life would be enhanced by being the winner of this prestigious award. Its been said many times, but worth repeating for you. If you don't like a thread, or think it has no merit, then either ignore it or report it to the moderators if you deem it offensive. If it doesn't interest you, then perhaps its best just to leave it alone and not post on it. The "great stadium expansion debate" as you describe it, will stay alive for a long time yet, sorry to say. Because, as the Man Utd game proved, we could indeed sell more than 32,000 tickets for games like that. Some people like looking at options; some don't; and some (like Trousers and seemingly yourself) get bedwettingly upset about the fact that there is in existence a discussion point about attendances which you just can't ignore and just have to pass comment on, even if it is just to register your faux disinterest (whether by a long winded rant in your case or one of Trousers' hilarious Groundhog Day pictures, the wonderfully original little scamp). Edited 23 September, 2012 by The Kraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 I like these threads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 I reckon the demise of a pie and a pint deal on the concourse will see the gate fall even further!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 Its been said many times, but worth repeating for you. If you don't like a thread, or think it has no merit, then either ignore it or report it to the moderators if you deem it offensive. If it doesn't interest you, then perhaps its best just to leave it alone and not post on it. The "great stadium expansion debate" as you describe it, will stay alive for a long time yet, sorry to say. Because, as the Man Utd game proved, we could indeed sell more than 32,000 tickets for games like that. Some people like looking at options; some don't; and some (like Trousers and seemingly yourself) get bedwettingly upset about the fact that there is in existence a discussion point about attendances which you just can't ignore and just have to pass comment on, even if it is just to register your faux disinterest (whether by a long winded rant in your case or one of Trousers' hilarious Groundhog Day pictures, the wonderfully original little scamp). Again you are wrong, I like the discussions about attendance and the possible expansion, that's why I opened up the thread. But instead of a decent debate it's littered with you lot rubbing the noses of the other lot in it, references to oxfordshire roadworks and south wales catchment area etc were relevant, maybe even a bit funny months ago, but now are a bit ******ish. It's ironic that you think the Ground hog day picture is tedious. This is a forum we are all trying to affect opinion, but because I don't agree with you I'm a bedwetter. Im just looking forward to a good discussion on this without reference to a few daft things said over the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 Nonsense. We were told 'there will be a real scramble for tickets this season' I'm not sure what factors prevented people from going this week as everything seemed perfect. Weather wasnt too hot or cold, it wasnt school holidays or a bank holiday weekehere decent opposition, here were no road works, it wasnt on The telly, its our only home game in 4 weeks so people wont have to choose between games, christ, even our rcord signing was making his full debut. Perhaps some that didn't bother going can explain why they didn't, I'm confused as to why the mad scramble for tickets we were promised is failing to materialise. Sheff Wed tomorrow night, Fulham a week on Sunday ! Not sure that it is a factor but best to get the facts right !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 Sheff Wed tomorrow night, Fulham a week on Sunday ! Not sure that it is a factor but best to get the facts right !! Last home game 2nd September, next home league game 7th October, i should have got my facts right. it's our only home league game in 5 WEEKS, not four. Makes it even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 Well the stupidity is on the side of those saying we have "maxed out" St Mary's and we are desperate for an extension. Those other games you mention are a good example of the general slow downturn in attendances at the top level that has been happening for a while. Use that as a reason why Saints might not want to rush into a multimillion pound chase for 8,000 new seats and you get attacked by the nutjobs on here ("intelligent posters", sorry) for being "negative", "anti-Saints" and with a "Dell-sized mentality". For the reasons you state above we do not need to rush into any expansion of the ground. Unfortunately the pro-side of this debate were so utterly moronic over the summer that these threads will be around for some time yet. Our ground is perfect as it is for now. Only to you and few others.... two points, yes it might be a little surprizing that we have not sold out... but you state yourself that we are talking about adequate capacity 'now' - and we could debate what impact the current economic climes has on that till teh cows come home, as we could ticket prices, which as you only seem to repsond with insul one liners is pretty pointless... But thankfully, most businesses with any common sense plan ahead and consider 'potential' based on more than just today's gate - Considering planning takes several years, + construction time, finance and a robust evaluation/modelling of likely revenue (based on a number of pricing models/scenarios) versus costs, we are talking about a 5 year process - not building tomorrow for 45k next season.... If its predicted/modelled that in 5 years the club wants to be top 8, has finance in place to support that through player aquisition etc, and that with that we could sell out 50% games at 40-42k, and the sums add up to a positive revenue stream once the build cost is factored in, then planning NOW is what they will do. They wont wait 5 years and only start when we have had 3-4 years of ST waiting lists. I think Cortese has a bit of the 'Apple' mentality about him. You can increase demand, by offering a product that more people WILL want, rather than accepting that current demand is the maximum. The current demand is based on many factors and product/price value NOW. Planning will be based on the factors that determine demand under different circumstances/product/price value - Getting that model to be accurate is the trickey part in the go/no-go decision making process. I just never understood why you and a few others were so anti fans discussing the merits or issues around all this... if you dont like it, just ignore it surely... or yu just look like a miserable bunch of ****s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 Again you are wrong, I like the discussions about attendance and the possible expansion, that's why I opened up the thread. But instead of a decent debate it's littered with you lot rubbing the noses of the other lot in it, references to oxfordshire roadworks and south wales catchment area etc were relevant, maybe even a bit funny months ago, but now are a bit ******ish. It's ironic that you think the Ground hog day picture is tedious. This is a forum we are all trying to affect opinion, but because I don't agree with you I'm a bedwetter. Im just looking forward to a good discussion on this without reference to a few daft things said over the summer. I'll have a go then. When we were last in the Prem we sold out the big games and generally speaking got near to sell out for the less glamorous games. I don't see that changing this season. Surely the relevant question is whether we could sell 40k for the following games: Utd Chelsea City Liverpool Spurs Arsenal Everton Newcastle and if we did that would it generate enough extra revenue over time to make it worthwhile? I think in general we probably could, and it's whether or not the numbers then add up to make it feasible, of which i have not got a clue and i doubt many on here do. I don't think anyone can realistically expect us to sell 40k out for the other teams for the forseeable future (we'd have to be a top 6 side i expect to be generating that sort of interest for west brom at home for example). I'm probably talking ******** though and have MLG come along soon and pick that to pieces... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 'If you build it, they will come'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 'If you build it, they will come'. Hows that working out for Darlington? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 Any way you look at it, a sold out stadium means that there were more potential customers than the capacity allowed. That would be bad business due to lost revenue. 95% full is near capacity and almost maximum revenue, which is good business. This post wins for being the most astute observation of the thread. Our pricing policy is dictated by our current stadium size. There is no point in pricing games such that thousands are locked out every week... that would leave money on the table. Just-about-almost filling the stadium suggests the pricing is pretty much spot on from a purely profit maximising perspective. A bigger stadium would allow us to charge less, and still achieve the same - or greater - revenues, and with more fans coming through the turnstiles. There are numerous reasons previously listed in similar threads why that would be a good thing beyond the immediate PxQ calculations of ticket sales. Will it happen? No idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 This post wins for being the most astute observation of the thread. Our pricing policy is dictated by our current stadium size. There is no point in pricing games such that thousands are locked out every week... that would leave money on the table. Just-about-almost filling the stadium suggests the pricing is pretty much spot on from a purely profit maximising perspective. A bigger stadium would allow us to charge less, and still achieve the same - or greater - revenues, and with more fans coming through the turnstiles. There are numerous reasons previously listed in similar threads why that would be a good thing beyond the immediate PxQ calculations of ticket sales. Will it happen? No idea. You see, it's these sort of comments that make me question the sanity of people on here. Why would any decent businessman spend c£20m expanding a stadium and then reduce the price to fill it? Why would they spend this sort of money to only achieve the same revenues as we currently have? It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. The only way it would make any sense if if there is a continued demand for tickets which outstrips supply for a lengthy period of time. Ie every game sold out weeks in advanced, waiting list for season tickets, the made scramble for tickets we were told there would be but isn't happening. That sort of thing. Does anyone seriously think Cortese, or anyone else for that matter, is going to expand the stadium at a cost over tens of millions and cut prices so there is no additional income, simply because he's a great guy and loves the fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNOWY Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 It was just about sold out other than corporate. The stadium is definately the right size for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 Nonsense. We were told 'there will be a real scramble for tickets this season' I'm not sure what factors prevented people from going this week as everything seemed perfect. Weather wasnt too hot or cold, it wasnt school holidays or a bank holiday weekehere decent opposition, here were no road works, it wasnt on The telly, its our only home game in 4 weeks so people wont have to choose between games, christ, even our rcord signing was making his full debut. Perhaps some that didn't bother going can explain why they didn't, I'm confused as to why the mad scramble for tickets we were promised is failing to materialise. It's not nonsense, it makes perfect sense and is being supported by various others saying "internet streaming is affecting attendances". Which is a factor that few people considered significant in the lengthy and annoying discourse that ran throughout the summer between yourself and MLG. TBH given the cost and other priorities, I'll be considering my own ST if we're in the Prem next season if I know I can see every match for nowt live anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 24 September, 2012 Share Posted 24 September, 2012 Hows that working out for Darlington? They're on their third stadium. They've started using smaller ones to manage expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now