Is a Clyne really a right back?

[norwaysaint]

Forgive me as I'm generally pretty clueless about these things, but why is Clyne a right back and not a winger?

 

Yes, we were better when he replaced Fox, but mainly because he kept us attacking on the left, not because of his defending. he's often a bit at fault for poor defending, but he loves to get forward, cut in, run at their defence, put balls into the box and even run into scoring positions, you know, like a winger.

 

Now it's probably obvious to most but I need it explaining because I'm stupid, why is he a right back and not a winger?

[doddisalegend]

Wingback?

[Cheese on Toast]

after today, i'd say he's a left back

[GAS]

after today, i'd say he's a left back

After today I would say he is our Philip Lahm. Thought he was brilliant at left back and was a major part in most of the good possession in the second half.

[pangy]

Full backs are the new wingers,especially in a 4-3-3,Clyne looked more comfortable attacking on the left than he did on the right

[radio slave]

speaking to a palace supporting mate of mine today about his defending, he confirmed he's really a very attacking wing back rather than a right back at all...

[The9]

Forgive me as I'm generally pretty clueless about these things, but why is Clyne a right back and not a winger?

 

Yes, we were better when he replaced Fox, but mainly because he kept us attacking on the left, not because of his defending. he's often a bit at fault for poor defending, but he loves to get forward, cut in, run at their defence, put balls into the box and even run into scoring positions, you know, like a winger.

 

Now it's probably obvious to most but I need it explaining because I'm stupid, why is he a right back and not a winger?

 

Because he's pretty good at defending, really.

[lordswoodsaints]

He's only doing what the likes of Ashley cole does every week.

[david in sweden]

Forgive me as I'm generally pretty clueless about these things, but why is Clyne a right back and not a winger?

 

Yes, we were better when he replaced Fox, but mainly because he kept us attacking on the left, not because of his defending. he's often a bit at fault for poor defending, but he loves to get forward, cut in, run at their defence, put balls into the box and even run into scoring positions, you know, like a winger.

 

Now it's probably obvious to most but I need it explaining because I'm stupid, why is he a right back and not a winger?

 

 

I take your point Norway,

.but it goes back to a recent thread..and a subject that's been written on before.. versatile players who can play almost anywhere...and it's totally wrong to stamp someone with just one position.

.....It was a good second half from NC (and he took his goal well)....and he goes into the Saints books as yet another FB who can play on both sides.

 

I started watching games when a full backs job was to stand outside the penalty area and stop the opposing winger - one way or another. The thought of crossing the halfway line in an attack was almost unthinkable, so that seeing a full back who can overlap and create chances for others is exciting to watch (Fox's real contribution to the team - although he is weaker as a FB)....but the same criticism was made of another LB not so long ago - Gareth Bale. He looked world-class going forward, but not so hot as a real defender.

 

If Clyne has the long-term ability to play both sides (?)...then we have " an extra player " at our disposal... in times of crisis, and for my money Richardson isn't the worst RB we've had in recent years.

Edited 23 September, 2012 by david in sweden

[doddisalegend]

I take your point Norway,

.but it goes back to a recent thread..and a subject that's been written on before.. versatile players who can play almost anywhere...and it's totally wrong to stamp someone with just one position.

.....It was a good second half from NC (and he took his goal well)....and he goes into the Saints books as yet another FB who can play on both sides.

 

I started watching games when a full backs job was to stand outside the penalty area and stop the opposing winger - one way or another. The thought of crossing the halfway line in an attack was almost unthinkable, so that seeing a full back who can overlap and create chances for others is exciting to watch (Fox's real contribution to the team - although he is weaker as a FB)....but the same criticism was made of another LB not so long ago - Gareth Bale. He looked world-class going forward, but not so hot as a real defender.

 

If Clyne has the long-term ability to play both sides (?)...then we have " an extra player " at our disposal... in times of crisis, and for my money Richardson isn't the worst RB we've had in recent years.

 

took me a moment to figure that one out...I was trying to workout what Nicola Cortese had done in the second half

[Saint Fan CaM]

He will be our first choice left back now I would wager. Big shout out too for Frazer Richardson, who I thought put on a fantastic show at RB after being out for so long.

[Chez]

He's a right back, not a left back, a wingback or a winger. When you move up the pitch you play with your back to goal a lot more and that's a totally different requirement. Why, when we unearth an absolute gem of a fullback do you always get people calling for them to play further up the field? Does anyone seriously think Ashley Cole would have been as successful as he has been if pushed forward to left wing? The only flaw in my argument is Bale, but I take him to be the exception to the rule.

 

He's a good defender too, no matter what anyone says on here. Needs longer studs though.

[Lord Duckhunter]

I once heard Ray Wilkins on Sky talking about this subject in relation to Bridge and Cole when England were weak on the left of midfield. He said left mid is a completely different postion and needs completely different skill sets and awareness to play there. Said that it's easier for a full back to switch sides, than to push up to midfield.

[Cheese on Toast]

I take your point Norway,

.but it goes back to a recent thread..and a subject that's been written on before.. versatile players who can play almost anywhere...and it's totally wrong to stamp someone with just one position.

.....It was a good second half from NC (and he took his goal well)....and he goes into the Saints books as yet another FB who can play on both sides.

 

I started watching games when a full backs job was to stand outside the penalty area and stop the opposing winger - one way or another. The thought of crossing the halfway line in an attack was almost unthinkable, so that seeing a full back who can overlap and create chances for others is exciting to watch (Fox's real contribution to the team - although he is weaker as a FB)....but the same criticism was made of another LB not so long ago - Gareth Bale. He looked world-class going forward, but not so hot as a real defender.

 

If Clyne has the long-term ability to play both sides (?)...then we have " an extra player " at our disposal... in times of crisis, and for my money Richardson isn't the worst RB we've had in recent years.

 

Did you just compare Danny Fox to Gareth Bale

[Saint Garrett]

One of those players whose tackling makes up for him losing the ball as he often wins it back. Was awful at times in the 1st half but scintillating in the second going forward.....just annoying that sometimes we won't be attacking and got a big question. Mark n that area as he's not been great. Stil he's young and will improve!

[doddisalegend]

One of those players whose tackling makes up for him losing the ball as he often wins it back. Was awful at times in the 1st half but scintillating in the second going forward.....just annoying that sometimes we won't be attacking and got a big question. Mark n that area as he's not been great. Stil he's young and will improve!

 

The good thing about Clyne is when he does make a cock up his speed allows him to recover the situation at times with a good tackle obviosuly it would be better if he didn't make the mistake in the first place but being quick enough to get back and make a recovery tackle is a usefu skill to havel.

[Amesbury Saint]

took me a moment to figure that one out...I was trying to workout what Nicola Cortese had done in the second half

 

It was more what he said at half time!

[sotonjoe]

Clyne has been class both defensively and going forward. Not sure what games the OP has watched to come out with that.

[Itchen_block4]

Forgive me as I'm generally pretty clueless about these things, but why is Clyne a right back and not a winger?

 

Yes, we were better when he replaced Fox, but mainly because he kept us attacking on the left, not because of his defending. he's often a bit at fault for poor defending, but he loves to get forward, cut in, run at their defence, put balls into the box and even run into scoring positions, you know, like a winger.

 

Now it's probably obvious to most but I need it explaining because I'm stupid, why is he a right back and not a winger?

 

He's a fullback because he's quick and can tackle. Attacking is what fullbacks do these days. If the fullback hugs the touchline, the winger can be supporting or getting into the box. Attacking fullbacks are so dangerous because defenders can't track them without leaving their man free. Why do you think Gibbs caused us so many problems against Arsenal and how do you think Clyne got tthrough unchallenged yesterday? Happens less so here, but across Europe, wingers often get turned into fullbacks if they can tackle and have a reasonable positional sense. In modern possession football, fullbacks get forward because they can.

[david in sweden]

Did you just compare Danny Fox to Gareth Bale

 

NO !.........I made the point that Bale was also criticised that ......despite his tremendous left sided runs, he wasn't the ideal choice to be a defender and play at LB.

(that's not just me BTW - several hundred others must have made that same point at the time). What we see now......is not the Gareth Bale who went to Spurs 4-5 years ago.

 

Danny Fox had an incredible number of assists last season...11 or 12 I think(?)..., whereas he isn't my ideal choice for left back..either (not at this level anyway).

 

Fox cannot be mentioned in the same breath if we are talking about Bale, (who now plays a different role for Spuds.)

[COMEONYOUREDS]

what a signing.. absolute class yesterday and all season to be fair!

[david in sweden]

repeating myself a bit here.....but why are some players "type-cast" according to the first shirt they put on.

 

Claus Lunderkvam started as a full back and played midfield before settling in as a CB (and made a good partner for at least THREE other centre backs)... Monkou, Richards and M.Svensson.

 

Jo Tessem was a very versatile player who willingly played wherever he was put...and had a pretty good goal tally for a midfielder, but finally got the bird from some fans when he failed to score when he played at CF..... for an injured James Beattie (!)..that was hardly fair criticism at the time .

 

One of my boyhood heroes was ex-Everton legend Jimmy Gabriel, who played for Saints in the late 60's at the time of our first Div.1...(read Prem.)..exploits and played 5 different positions during one season,

including CF .....(and even half-a-game as goalie at a time when there were no goalie subs.)... and didn't look bad wherever he played.

 

If Clyne has the two-footed ability to play on either side, we should use that talent.....and besides ..I didn't think Richardson disgraced himself at RB yesterday either.