JoeShmoe Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Surely thats it for him now. Please god The whole TEAM looked better when he went off, defensively we were FAR more solid I think the players think he is a defensive liability and they over-react trying to cover for him. Richardson is a solid player in my book and Clyne looked fine at LB Big up too for Yoshida, first full game in the Prem and i thought he looked very good, even made Fonte looked better which is what very good centre backs do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Play Richardson. I still think we should have sorted it out in the summer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 yosh and fonte looked good today I reckon Yosh had a face like thunder for digging out the midfield in the 1st half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 I wonder if Gazzinga in goal makes us tighter as a unit - didn't do much wrong today! Why because the defence and stopped Villa from doing anything - their goal game because Puncheon was back trying to defend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Surely thats it for him now. Please god The whole TEAM looked better when he went off, defensively we were FAR more solid I think the players think he is a defensive liability and they over-react trying to cover for him. Richardson is a solid player in my book and Clyne looked fine at LB Big up too for Yoshida, first full game in the Prem and i thought he looked very good, even made Fonte looked better which is what very good centre backs do I couldn't agree more that Fox is the main reason we've been pulled out of shape defensively. Yoshida looks excellent and he certainly did help Fonte to play much better. I don't share your optimism about Richardson - I think he'll get done regularly at this level. I don't think it will happen but I'd like to see Yoshida at LB with Fonte and Jos in the middle, and Clyne going back to RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 There is no 's' in defence, just as there wasn't a fox in the 2nd half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 I couldn't agree more that Fox is the main reason we've been pulled out of shape defensively. Yoshida looks excellent and he certainly did help Fonte to play much better. I don't share your optimism about Richardson - I think he'll get done regularly at this level. I don't think it will happen but I'd like to see Yoshida at LB with Fonte and Jos in the middle, and Clyne going back to RB. maybe a good shout i would be concerned about Clyne going to LB, teams would start working out pretty quick he has no left foot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
channonball Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Many of us slated Adkins for the Man U tactical cock up but today he played a blinder. Lets hope that's the last we see of fox for a while. The goal was his fault and his distribution is woeful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Fox was awful for the goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 22 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 22 September, 2012 maybe a good shout i would be concerned about Clyne going to LB' date=' teams would start working out pretty quick he has no left foot[/quote'] He'd still be a lot better than Fox January we need to whatever we need to be to get a decent LB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Fox is the new Guly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Fox was awful for the goal. Exactly the same ball-watching that he's been doing for two seasons or more. Hopefully the ghost has been exorcised permanently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m735 Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Not a fan of Fox as a LB I'm afraid. No arguments he can cross a ball but he just CANNOT defend. Was it a tactical sub or was it his groin? I think probably the latter and unfortunately he will be back sooner rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OfnPanad Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Why don't we bring Shaw in? Arsenal offered £4m for him in the summer so he must have something about him, other than looking like Draco Malfoy! We just looked so much better without Fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 I think Fox was not just taken of for his defensive error(s) but mostly because he wasn't sticking to the game plan (i.e. passing the ball, not hoofing it to SRL). The second half we were able to use our front 4 more effectively because we passed the ball instead of hoofing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 I think most of us thought a left-back and keeper was required really dont understand why this was not sorted out in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Why don't we bring Shaw in? Arsenal offered £4m for him in the summer so he must have something about him, other than looking like Draco Malfoy! We just looked so much better without Fox. Please please please let that that be the end for Fox who is NOT GOOD ENOUGH....!!! NOT EVEN CLOSE..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-ross Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 I'm surprised its taken this long for Fox to get noticed. I thought he was crap last seaon too. All too often his performances are glossed over by his "dead ball ability". Sorry, there's more than being a top flight defender than being able to kick a stationary football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 I haven't seen Shaw play, but we've taken the plunge with JWP and Gazza, could it be time against Wednesday to take the plunge with him? Couldn't hurt. Fox isn't terrible, but he clearly has limitations. Adkins showed his testicles today playing Gazza, and it's bold decisions like this that could keep or lose him his job. But he's got to make them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 I think most of us thought a left-back and keeper was required really dont understand why this was not sorted out in the summer. Who played in goal today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Yoshida and Fonte were awesome today I thought, Clyne did well at LB but we'll get killed if he plays like that I away from home. Very attacking was almost playing as an inside forward today at times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd_barrett_saint Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Been poor but hope be proves you all wrong. I think his many poor performances in a successful team in the Championship already proved us right. The fact that he has a chance to prove us further right in the Premier League is crazy. (apart from that, I find it hard to find fault with Adkins... apart from perhaps having too much faith is Kelvin too) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Ricardo Gardiner anyone? http://www.thepfa.com/transferlist/listedplayers/sortbydate/lb/outofcontract/1/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Another decent game from Fonte, written off by many many on here. Re Fox, I feel for him. His lack of pace causes him so many problems defensively, but today it was his distribution that let him down. His passing was woeful, giving away possession maybe 6 or 7 times, but for once it was right in front of the manager. Normally he steps it up when on that side of the pitch. Near half time he even gave it away in a dangerous area and just jogged back rather than busting a gut to make up for it, again right in front of Adkins. Little wonder he was pulled off. Rightly subbed and it made all the difference. Yoshi looked solid, although he did dive in once in the second half that might have cost us. That was about the only mistake he made all game though apart from not getting tight to their striker for two corners. Very comfortable on the ball. Great timer of a leap and a good talker. Tough choice who to drop if Jos is fit next week. Not sure Fonte deserves to be dropped. Clyne had another great game. I don't like him out there on the left, but Richardson or Fox? I thin Richardson perhaps deserves a run out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Ricardo Gardiner anyone? http://www.thepfa.com/transferlist/listedplayers/sortbydate/lb/outofcontract/1/ Dodgy knee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd_barrett_saint Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Another decent game from Fonte, written off by many many on here. I also thought Fonte was good today. Great last-ditch challenge in the first half on Bent(? I think?), and pretty solid throughout. It will be a tough choice between Fonte and Hooiveld, although for now I'd stick with the current partnership unless something goes wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 I think the pressure is starting to get to him. He didn't want to get forward today and play in his normal attacking style because that old devil 'the fear of failure' seems to this fan to have effected this players confidence badly. Playing against your own instincts never ends well for a footballer I've found over the years. Clyne adapted seamlessly to the LB position (a sure sign of a good player that) and Richardson did fine at RB I thought considering it was his first real contribution this season. The temptation to start the next game with the same defensive line-up we finished this one must be playing on Nigel Adkins mind tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 (edited) Said last season Fox was a liability the whole defence looked far more composed when he went off today. Problem is we don't have much in the way of options at LB. All though I thought Richardson did well at RB to allow Clyne to go LB I'm not sure that would work week in and week out in the PL. Edited 22 September, 2012 by doddisalegend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 For all those who think Clyne cant play on the left: Went with a Palace mate of mine, told me that Clyne had played on that side a lot for them and was called up for the England U21 when he played there - yeah, he played on the left for the national team too. He doesnt have to have a great left foot, going forward from the left he cuts in on the right and scores, what more can you ask, reminded me of a good Glen Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 All though I thought Richardson did well at RB to allow Clyne to go LKB I'm not sure that would work week in and week out in the PL. agree with this, but Adkins must use what he has for now and this seems like the best choice for Everton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didcot Saint Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Hey Noodles that's spot on! What a top result! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 For all those who think Clyne cant play on the left: Went with a Palace mate of mine, told me that Clyne had played on that side a lot for them and was called up for the England U21 when he played there - yeah, he played on the left for the national team too. He doesnt have to have a great left foot, going forward from the left he cuts in on the right and scores, what more can you ask, reminded me of a good Glen Johnson. It's not so much Clyne can't do it, he pretty much proved he can today, ....it's more that RB then has to be Richardson or Butterfield, two players I like, but feel might struggle against PL oppostion most weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Hey Noodles that's spot on! What a top result! wasnt it just, worried at HT, said to someone that i couldnt see us winning a game all season, but then came the second half! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrasri Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Another decent game from Fonte, written off by many many on here. "Tough choice who to drop if Jos is fit next week. Not sure Fonte deserves to be dropped." Based on today's performance, if Jos is fit HE will have to sit the Everton game out. Natural progression dictates that he has to wait his chance to get back in. Unless we put Yashi in as Fullback with Jos & Jose as CB's. Bit unfair on Fraser tho' who didn't do anything wrong today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefoggy Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Surely thats it for him now. Please god The whole TEAM looked better when he went off, defensively we were FAR more solid I think the players think he is a defensive liability and they over-react trying to cover for him. Richardson is a solid player in my book and Clyne looked fine at LB Big up too for Yoshida, first full game in the Prem and i thought he looked very good, even made Fonte looked better which is what very good centre backs do post of the day goodbye Fox and good riddance. we dont need you!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 post of the day goodbye Fox and good riddance. we dont need you!! yeah well said.! You ****img idiot. Fox has not been great this season, but to say that Crap about someone instrumental in last season's success, clearly you have not been with us long. Enjoying the premier league and spawn sandwiches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 As poor as Fox was... And he really was tbf I thought Yoshi was closer to the ball for their goal and in sll honesty should have dealt with it, if I were him I would have cleared Fox, Gazza, the ball snd thrir striker regardless of calls or not. But.. It is the end of Fox IMO he just isnt up to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Said last season Fox was a liability the whole defence looked far more composed when he went off today. Problem is we don't have much in the way of options at LB. All though I thought Richardson did well at RB to allow Clyne to go LB I'm not sure that would work week in and week out in the PL. LB options we do have. Besides Shaw and Fox, we also have Jos, Seaborne and Clyne who've all played LB for their previous clubs from time to time. Oh, and forgotten man Ryan Dickson. 6 options. The problem is the lack of quality, not the lack of choice. Where's Rudi Skacel when you need him? :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Exactly the same ball-watching that he's been doing for two seasons or more. Hopefully the ghost has been exorcised permanently. True, but Yoshida and Gazzaniga did exactly the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 yeah well said.! You ****img idiot. Fox has not been great this season, but to say that Crap about someone instrumental in last season's success, clearly you have not been with us long. Enjoying the premier league and spawn sandwiches? This never would have happened under Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Another decent game from Fonte, written off by many many on here. Re Fox, I feel for him. His lack of pace causes him so many problems defensively, but today it was his distribution that let him down. His passing was woeful, giving away possession maybe 6 or 7 times, but for once it was right in front of the manager. Normally he steps it up when on that side of the pitch. Near half time he even gave it away in a dangerous area and just jogged back rather than busting a gut to make up for it, again right in front of Adkins. Little wonder he was pulled off. Rightly subbed and it made all the difference. Yoshi looked solid, although he did dive in once in the second half that might have cost us. That was about the only mistake he made all game though apart from not getting tight to their striker for two corners. Very comfortable on the ball. Great timer of a leap and a good talker. Tough choice who to drop if Jos is fit next week. Not sure Fonte deserves to be dropped. Clyne had another great game. I don't like him out there on the left, but Richardson or Fox? I thin Richardson perhaps deserves a run out. Not in my opinion. He was much better than Jos and didn't give away any penalties! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 Another decent game from Fonte, written off by many many on here. "Tough choice who to drop if Jos is fit next week. Not sure Fonte deserves to be dropped." Based on today's performance, if Jos is fit HE will have to sit the Everton game out. Natural progression dictates that he has to wait his chance to get back in. Unless we put Yashi in as Fullback with Jos & Jose as CB's. Bit unfair on Fraser tho' who didn't do anything wrong today The old maxim .... "Don't change a winning Team" OR "If it aint broke, don't fix it" Sorry, but I honestly do not think Jos is Prem Quality Fonte was much more confident, because he had dependable Quality around him, and the defence looked solid and confident also, because they had someone between the sticks who commande his area, and was assured of what he was doing. It will be a bad call if NA drops Gazza for Everton IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 I think most of us thought a left-back and keeper was required really dont understand why this was not sorted out in the summer. YES barney, I think most /many of us did. .....but watching Clyne play at LB in the second half..and now hearing of the signing of Artur Boruc......I think both problems may have been solved on the same day ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 Another decent game from Fonte, written off by many many on here. . ...and I admit ...I was one of them, too. I thought him a VG player, until his injury last season, after which, he never looked the same. He is good on the ball, but seemed slow and unsure and played a number of suicide passes back to KD - who was in no-mans land and who (many admit) ..is not famous for his ball distribution. However, many players look and play better when coupled with someone else in the CB role. I cite Claus Lundekvam, who was a perfect foil for; Ken Monkou, Dean Richards, and Michael Svensson and helped make them even better players than they were when they arrived. Yesterday, Fonte looked more relaxed playing alongside Yoshida (who I thought played very well) and hopefully it may have solved the backline problem - if only temporarily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 YES barney, I think most /many of us did. .....but watching Clyne play at LB in the second half..and now hearing of the signing of Artur Boruc......! Only buy weakening the RB postion though...time for NC to invest in cloning technology so we can have Clyne at LB and RB:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pressingon Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 Not "I told you so" but I posted this before he signed. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?31898-Burnley-fans-perspective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 Not "I told you so" but I posted this before he signed. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?31898-Burnley-fans-perspective Most on here said the Burnley fans had a touch of sour grapes about Fox going hence the criticism of him. Seems to me they were spot on. I do hope we dont have to witness his unique style of defending again. Richardson isn't brilliant but he's better than Fox so keep Clyne on the left, Frazer at right back and if we can get a decent freebie left or right back in so be it, otherwise hope these two can do the job until the January window. As Clyne looked so comfortable at left back I dont think its a major issue whether we strengthen left or right side. Just as long as we strengthen one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 Been saying he's a liability defensively all along. His part in the Villa goal yesterday was beyond amateurish. Losing out on Buttner looks like an ever bigger loss at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.REX Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 Worth noting Everton have one of the strongest left sides in the premier league with Baines and Pienaar linking up. We may well need Clyne on the right side because he seems to have the pace to get himself out of difficult situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 23 September, 2012 Share Posted 23 September, 2012 (edited) You can find a list of out of contract LBs on transfermarkt.co.uk, though it doesn't redirect properly when I link it for some reason familiar faces include Asier Del Horno Djimi Traore (lol) Thimothee Atouba Sebastian Boenisch Edited 23 September, 2012 by MOSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now