Northernsaint Posted 21 September, 2012 Share Posted 21 September, 2012 According to Play up football on twitter who have tweeted Gazzas FB account Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 21 September, 2012 Share Posted 21 September, 2012 Covered here: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?t=40077 Fake FB account in all likelihood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 21 September, 2012 Share Posted 21 September, 2012 Covered here: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?t=40077 Fake FB account in all likelihood To be fair there's pages of ****e on there, I'd much rather read a single thread than trawl through that. It's very plausible that he could start. Davis looks shot to pieces. I have a gills supporting mate who reckons the lad is a top, top keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 21 September, 2012 Share Posted 21 September, 2012 @mattletiss7: Kelvin davis dropped tomorrow, could possibly have done better with 2 or 3 of the 14 let in, is it fair he carries the can on his own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 September, 2012 Share Posted 21 September, 2012 To be fair there's pages of ****e on there, I'd much rather read a single thread than trawl through that. It's very plausible that he could start. Davis looks shot to pieces. I have a gills supporting mate who reckons the lad is a top, top keeper. And this is it, really. We've supposedly signed him for £1M, so he's not exactly a nipper plucked from the non-leagues (or a joker like Tommy FourPast). He clearly has decent form and is a prospect. Kelvin just looks worryingly sh*t. And having a comedy of errors behind a leaky defence, you can't just keep going on making mistake after mistake and expect it to change for the better. If he's deemed good enough by the coaches then hopefully he'll get his chance. If he doesn't get his chance then its because he's not good enough, and a thoroughly sad indictment on SFC as a whole not recognising the extent of the problem and dealing with it accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 21 September, 2012 Share Posted 21 September, 2012 Mmm, be careful what you wish for springs to mind here. The lad may be one for the future, but this game is so important that if he has a mare, he may never get over it and some supporters may never ALLOW him to get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 21 September, 2012 Share Posted 21 September, 2012 The kid has never played above L1 right? If true its a brave brave move by Nigel, he could have jut signed his own P45... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 September, 2012 Share Posted 21 September, 2012 The kid has never played above L1 right? If true its a brave brave move by Nigel, he could have jut signed his own P45... Some would say his P45 is in the post if this game doesn't go his way, so may as well go out by being bold and addressing a clear problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 21 September, 2012 Share Posted 21 September, 2012 (edited) The kid has never played above L1 right? If true its a brave brave move by Nigel, he could have jut signed his own P45... You did read the breathless "£6m is an absolute bargain" stuff about Butland in the summer? On the back of half an hour in League 2. Butland makes this kid look like John Burridge. Edit: actually no he doesn't. I thought he'd played all season for Gills. Oh well. I liked that John Burridge line too. Edited 21 September, 2012 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 21 September, 2012 Share Posted 21 September, 2012 Butland makes this kid look like John Burridge. short, fat and mental? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 21 September, 2012 Share Posted 21 September, 2012 I have a gills supporting mate who reckons the lad is a top, top keeper. He may well be, but he's played twenty games in League Two, his sum total of league appearances in his career. While he's clearly an upgrade on Forecast, is that really the situation we're in, where we feel like we have to throw him into a Premier League game? Davis is far from perfect, we all know that, but he's played the best part of 100 games with Fonte and 30-40 games with Hooiveld and Fox. Surely that experience has got to be better than a few months of training sessions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 September, 2012 Share Posted 21 September, 2012 He may well be, but he's played twenty games in League Two, his sum total of league appearances in his career. While he's clearly an upgrade on Forecast, is that really the situation we're in, where we feel like we have to throw him into a Premier League game? Davis is far from perfect, we all know that, but he's played the best part of 100 games with Fonte and 30-40 games with Hooiveld and Fox. Surely that experience has got to be better than a few months of training sessions. Depends entirely on how good he actually is, doesn't it? And there's an argument that we'll never know until he actually plays for the first team. Plenty of young players have been blooded (including JWP who at 17 has been an utter revelation this season). If (and its a big if) the coaches deem he's good enough then he deserves a chance. If he turns out to be the next Keith Grainger then of course we're in massive trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 21 September, 2012 Share Posted 21 September, 2012 He may well be, but he's played twenty games in League Two, his sum total of league appearances in his career. While he's clearly an upgrade on Forecast, is that really the situation we're in, where we feel like we have to throw him into a Premier League game? Davis is far from perfect, we all know that, but he's played the best part of 100 games with Fonte and 30-40 games with Hooiveld and Fox. Surely that experience has got to be better than a few months of training sessions. Quite. Unless Davis has specifically asked not to play replacing him now could be disaster for both Gazzaniga's and Davis' long term confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 21 September, 2012 Share Posted 21 September, 2012 Depends entirely on how good he actually is, doesn't it? True. I can't say I saw anything from the Stevenage game that suggested he was in a position to challenge Davis for a first-team place yet though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernsaint Posted 21 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 21 September, 2012 Davis has made far too many errors at the near post and basic reaction saves have been lacking. My left field.suggestion would be to.not write either off yet Give Gazza 4 games for me then take each defender in turn and ask who they feel more confident with after 4 games with each. Winner starts every week until Christmas Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernsaint Posted 21 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 21 September, 2012 Sorry my english was shocking there but you get the picture. Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 September, 2012 Share Posted 21 September, 2012 True. I can't say I saw anything from the Stevenage game that suggested he was in a position to challenge Davis for a first-team place yet though. As I said earlier; if he's not actually ready then it makes his signing a complete and utter irrelevance. We already had a reserve goalkeeper who wasn't good enough, in Bart. Have we really spent £1M just to replicate that? I really hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 21 September, 2012 Share Posted 21 September, 2012 I don't think Kelvin will be ousted just yet, however if his performances don't improve then something has to be done and IMO if Gazzaniga isn't good enough to step in when the number 1 is injured/off form/not good enough then it seems like a waste of time in signing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 21 September, 2012 Share Posted 21 September, 2012 Davis has made far too many errors at the near post and basic reaction saves have been lacking. My left field.suggestion would be to.not write either off yet Give Gazza 4 games for me then take each defender in turn and ask who they feel more confident with after 4 games with each. Winner starts every week until Christmas You're basically suggesting we play a game of GK-Factor, with our Premier League status at stake. That's utter lunacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 21 September, 2012 Share Posted 21 September, 2012 Lambert dropped Given for Villa last weekend, so why not might shake Kelvin out of his past nasty Premiership experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 21 September, 2012 Share Posted 21 September, 2012 He may well be, but he's played twenty games in League Two, his sum total of league appearances in his career. While he's clearly an upgrade on Forecast, is that really the situation we're in, where we feel like we have to throw him into a Premier League game? Davis is far from perfect, we all know that, but he's played the best part of 100 games with Fonte and 30-40 games with Hooiveld and Fox. Surely that experience has got to be better than a few months of training sessions. So about as much as Butland played before he turned into a 6m+ England player? If the lads good enough, he's old enough. Don't get me wrong I'd rather throw in an old head but our options are Gazza or a confidence shot Davis. Given that Adkins only has a choice of a rock or a hard place he ain't got much choice but to try the lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 21 September, 2012 Share Posted 21 September, 2012 As implied above, the coaches will have had an entire week to evaluate them alongside each other. If the staff that have foreseen our two division rise feel he is ready in comparison to a man they have worked with for two years, he's ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 21 September, 2012 Share Posted 21 September, 2012 You did read the breathless "£6m is an absolute bargain" stuff about Butland in the summer? On the back of half an hour in League 2. Butland makes this kid look like John Burridge. Edit: actually no he doesn't. I thought he'd played all season for Gills. Oh well. I liked that John Burridge line too. Budgie was a legend ,especially after calling a certain d ickhead saints fan a f ucking idiot at everton once. i loved john '500 clubs' burridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 21 September, 2012 Share Posted 21 September, 2012 Hope he plays tomorrow, no club pays over a million for another Bart, we could have kept Bart for that money.... Kelvin has made some really amateurish mistakes so needs some competition at any rate, the Stevenage game showed Gazza to be at least competent in goal (more than Forecast and the end of Bart) so it probably is worth a punt on the back of Kelvins shocker last weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 21 September, 2012 Share Posted 21 September, 2012 Lambert dropped Given for Villa last weekend, so why not might shake Kelvin out of his past nasty Premiership experience. Because Villa have Brad Guzan as number 2. Slightly different. If Gazza is good enough and confident enough he should play. If he's not capable of replacing Davis if Davis is poor or injured then it was a mistake to sing him and him alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 21 September, 2012 Share Posted 21 September, 2012 Yeah. my son read me MLT's tweet earlier. I said that NA had said team news only released to the press at 2pm Sat, but maybe the players know the team already. Not a good idea for Gazza to be releasing that info .. but hey ho. Actually support giving him a go. If NA has decided to play Gazza, so be it. If it doesn't work out then it should add some urgency to the need to get in Boruc or Gordon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sea Saint Posted 21 September, 2012 Share Posted 21 September, 2012 @mattletiss7: Kelvin davis dropped tomorrow, could possibly have done better with 2 or 3 of the 14 let in, is it fair he carries the can on his own? You know what, Le Tiss can f*** off. His negativity annoys me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 21 September, 2012 Share Posted 21 September, 2012 You know what, Le Tiss can f*** off. His negativity annoys me. Whats your point? Isn't it fair to ask if Davis is the only one to blame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 September, 2012 Share Posted 21 September, 2012 You know what, Le Tiss can f*** off. His negativity annoys me. Have another drink! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi Saint Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 If true, very unwise of Le Tissier to publicly issue this information. He is in danger of losing the respect of Saints fans if he is not careful. His day, like Lawrie's, has gone. It's time to support the club, not undermine it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 What's the worst that can happen, Kelvin has already let in 14 goals in 4 games and i think we all agree some of them have been preventable. If we keep KD and lose v Villa then what ? every game since our 1st loss at city is a must win game and if we lose v Villa then the next game will just increase the pressure and he will never get a go. Start him at home, positive support and i think our concerns about the change will be unfounded. Old article but always a nice reminder - http://www.lifesapitch.co.uk/opinions/the-top-10-emerging-players-from-the-football-league/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 On another note today will be the day i finally can be arsed to upgrade my account so I will be posting all over the shop and putting up lucky knockers on the match thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 I reckon it would be more of a risk to actually play Kelvin. He has been absolute garbage this season, and his legs have gone. Watching him trying to keep out Podolski's free-kick last Saturday was sad. He was moving like an old man. At least this keeper is big and agile. Give him a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 The sun suggest that he will be dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 I reckon it would be more of a risk to actually play Kelvin. He has been absolute garbage this season, and his legs have gone. Watching him trying to keep out Podolski's free-kick last Saturday was sad. He was moving like an old man. At least this keeper is big and agile. Give him a go. + 1,can't be any worse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 The sun suggest that he will be dropped. Sounds like they've been watching dubious Twiiter feeds as avid idly as we have then... :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 I reckon it would be more of a risk to actually play Kelvin. He has been absolute garbage this season, and his legs have gone. Watching him trying to keep out Podolski's free-kick last Saturday was sad. He was moving like an old man. At least this keeper is big and agile. Give him a go. Yet had it been rickie's free kick we would be saying how well placed it was. Arsenal were awesome last week and we got the tactics a bit wrong. **** happens. All this nonsense about trying to blame individuals is frankly futile. Tell me how kelvin is short by premier league standards and cannot possibly have the reach against top strikers placing shots close to the woodwork and I would have to agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jude Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Confidence in football is everything...who knows what Kelvin and Gazza are really feeling behind the scenes.. Yes the first four games were tough...but it's very easy to get used to picking the all out of the net... It might be that NA feels that KD could do with a game off... On the other hand, you could blow gazza's confidence for the future... Think we have to trust the guys behind the scenes, to make a judgement call... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 I don't want to dump on Kelvin - a great player and stalwart for the club, however if he was an outfield player he surely would be dropped from the team after the first four matches. It's a test for Nigel's nerve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Yet had it been rickie's free kick we would be saying how well placed it was. Arsenal were awesome last week and we got the tactics a bit wrong. **** happens. All this nonsense about trying to blame individuals is frankly futile. Tell me how kelvin is short by premier league standards and cannot possibly have the reach against top strikers placing shots close to the woodwork and I would have to agree. I assure you that even if a Saints player had scored it I'd be pointing out it was by no means in the corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 He may well be, but he's played twenty games in League Two, his sum total of league appearances in his career. While he's clearly an upgrade on Forecast, is that really the situation we're in, where we feel like we have to throw him into a Premier League game? Davis is far from perfect, we all know that, but he's played the best part of 100 games with Fonte and 30-40 games with Hooiveld and Fox. Surely that experience has got to be better than a few months of training sessions. You would have hoped so but reflecting upon the games so far, I don't find much evidence. Kelvins positioning is just giving away goals, whether it's positioning from free kicks or the second Wigan goal. The free kick was not a one off, already been aired and I can't get my head round any goalie thinking this is the way to go. Compounding this is the near post free zone and the penchant for knocking shots back to forwards, rather than safety. If you were to ask any fan who is the worst goalie in the Premier based upon the first 4 league games, Kelvin would be taking a bow with no one else close. If we change goalie and come unstuck, so be it but I really do not believe we have a lot to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Based on the first 4 games I dont think he can have any complaints. Teams should be picked based on who is playing well. And Kelvin has not been playing well. Thats not blaming him or letting him take the can as mr negativity mlt says. All players get dropped even the worlds best. Its no big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grammy Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Big fan of Kelv but this season I get nervous everytime the ball comes near him. If Gazzaniga isn't ready to "step up" then why the hell did we sign him? Having said that I think Kelv will start today with Gazza getting his chance against Shef Weds. Lets hope a few players get a bit of confidence back today. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Yet had it been rickie's free kick we would be saying how well placed it was. Arsenal were awesome last week and we got the tactics a bit wrong. **** happens. All this nonsense about trying to blame individuals is frankly futile. Tell me how kelvin is short by premier league standards and cannot possibly have the reach against top strikers placing shots close to the woodwork and I would have to agree. I admire your loyalty, but I am afraid, that based on 4 games, it is obvious that Kelvin isn't good enough. I am not singling individuals out for being responsible for our defeat, but the fact is he should have done better with the free-kick. He has made costly errors in every game so far, in my opinion. He has also been a fantastic and loyal servant to the club. That is without question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Worth playing him for his distribution alone imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Very difficult decision. i recall in our relegation season Niemi being injured and Blayney(?) playing and making 2 howlers that gave WBA the point that ultimately saved them and us down. I agree KD has had a difficult start but the defenders in front of him have left him exposed to one on ones. A very brave decision to drop him and risk Gazza. Try changing Fox and see iif that side is shored up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis17 Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Kris Temple @kristemple Latest word on the #Saintsfc street is that it appears Gazzaniga WILL play, regardless of fake-Facebook-gate #gills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 Why is everyone assuming he's replacing Kelvins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 short, fat and mental? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 September, 2012 Share Posted 22 September, 2012 I will say in the past I've seen goalkeepers playing for teams under pressure looking like good players and keeping them in the game or keeping thescore down. Davis has made very few saves in the four matches and let in 14 goals. Gazzaniga is the club's back up goalkeeper that we paid a lot of money for, the No1 is failing, give him a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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