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I'd like a poll on this.

 

Only two answers - Yes and no.

I sem to remember 25% of UK citizens smoke, is this the case on SWF? I'm a heavy smoker, and should give up. If you have a cigarette more than once a year then you are a smoker.

 

Consider: If every smoker was executed (after fair warning) would the world be a worse place? My opinion is that immediate execution of smokers (given fair warning) would make the world a better place

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What about ex smokers? Suspended sentence or do they have pay for their past? Also passive smokers, should they go as well? It's not as straightforward as you make out.

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Never have.

 

Edit : re the execution thing, there are other groups I'd start with - first of all the people who peddle the cancer sticks, making profit out of other peoples addictions.

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No.

 

I shall be controversial here too. It is the most disgusting selfish habit out there, unlike drinking (which only directly affects the health of the consumer) smoking places every single person in the nearby incidental vicinity of the user at risk. It should be banned entirely.

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I was only thinking that if we woke up tomorrow, and nobody in the world smoked, or tobacco had never been invented, would the world be a worse place? I don't think so. Conversely, what are the benefits of tobacco?

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No.

 

I shall be controversial here too. It is the most disgusting selfish habit out there, unlike drinking (which only directly affects the health of the consumer) smoking places every single person in the nearby incidental vicinity of the user at risk. It should be banned entirely.

 

I completely understood this view when there wasn't a smoking ban; thinking back to bars and restaurants at the time, it was truly disgusting.

 

With the smoking ban, no smoking in the workplace etc, I'm not sure how you can still get so fired up about it? Unless you have mates who smoke while driving with you, then I can't see how passive smoking isnt entirely avoidable these days.

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I completely understood this view when there wasn't a smoking ban; thinking back to bars and restaurants at the time, it was truly disgusting.

 

With the smoking ban, no smoking in the workplace etc, I'm not sure how you can still get so fired up about it? Unless you have mates who smoke while driving with you, then I can't see how passive smoking isnt entirely avoidable these days.

 

That has happened, my Dad insists on Smoking inside too. At work as well, the nature of the beast is to hold meetings 'on the run,' which sometimes involves groups going into smoking shelters..... it's a case of either be excluded or suck it in...

 

Even in open areas it is presenting a risk to innocent bystanders, it may be a minimised one but it is still utterly needless.

 

I will admit that my view is clouded somewhat by my mum's terminal COPD, caused by a lifetime of smoking.

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Does it outweigh the added medical expense ?

 

That would be an interesting study.

 

 

It does by miles and miles. Not only do smokers tend to die younger, so have less of the chronic illness heavy use of the NHS in old age, but they draw many fewer years of pension too.

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It does by miles and miles. Not only do smokers tend to die younger, so have less of the chronic illness heavy use of the NHS in old age, but they draw many fewer years of pension too.

 

So in all not a bad deal for the nation, after all people are free to choose. Whack a bit more tax on gambling as well, that may even cure a few of that as well.

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Dabbled a bit when a teenager, but was sh!t scared of my parents reaction if they'd found out (despite them both being smokers at the time), so never really took it up properly. Best decision I ever made.

I never realised how much passive smoking affected me until I left home & would go back to visit the parents. My clothes stunk and I couldn't wear them again until they'd been washed & my eyes were stinging, stuff I'd got used to whilst living at home. Christ knows what it was doing to my lungs.

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It's true, smokers stink.

 

Also, have you seen those comparison pictures of twins where one of them smokes and the other doesn't? Smoking makes you ugly too.

 

Smoked for a while in my twenties, then realised it was the lamest, stupidest thing I'd ever done and gave up. Drug addiction is for the weak.

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I sort of get why weak willed people take it up in their teens. Kids at school will do anything to fit in and try and look cool. What I don't get are those that give up succesfully for months then relapse. How can someone think, "yeah I really miss wasting hundreds of pounds every year on screwing my health and smelling like a dirty bonfire," and go back to it?

 

I've never smoked a cigarette. Not trying to be all high and mighty I just don't see any point to it what-so-ever.

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I sort of get why weak willed people take it up in their teens. Kids at school will do anything to fit in and try and look cool. What I don't get are those that give up succesfully for months then relapse. How can someone think, "yeah I really miss wasting hundreds of pounds every year on screwing my health and smelling like a dirty bonfire," and go back to it?

 

I've never smoked a cigarette. Not trying to be all high and mighty I just don't see any point to it what-so-ever.

 

Which is so strange because it comes across in exactly that way.

 

I think what you don't understand is that it is an addiction, so it's actually pretty difficult to quit. I think the best thing is not to comment on something you blatantly don't understand.

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I sort of get why weak willed people take it up in their teens. Kids at school will do anything to fit in and try and look cool. What I don't get are those that give up succesfully for months then relapse. How can someone think, "yeah I really miss wasting hundreds of pounds every year on screwing my health and smelling like a dirty bonfire," and go back to it?

 

I've never smoked a cigarette. Not trying to be all high and mighty I just don't see any point to it what-so-ever.

 

Yeah, indeed. And while we're at it, what about all those alcoholics and drug addicts. I mean, why do they do it? Why do they waste hundres of pounds every year on screwing their health when they could quite easily choose not to. What's all that about?

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Which is so strange because it comes across in exactly that way.

 

I think what you don't understand is that it is an addiction, so it's actually pretty difficult to quit. I think the best thing is not to comment on something you blatantly don't understand.

 

If you read what I posted perhaps your wouldn't feel the need to be so patronising.

 

I know it is an addiction and difficult to quit. What I don't get is why having quit you would then go back to smoking months later. If you've given up for several months your not an addict anymore, you have no physical dependancy on nicotine so why would you make a concious choice to go out and buy another box of fags, having gone without for so long.

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If you read what I posted perhaps your wouldn't feel the need to be so patronising.

 

I know it is an addiction and difficult to quit. What I don't get is why having quit you would then go back to smoking months later. If you've given up for several months your not an addict anymore, you have no physical dependancy on nicotine so why would you make a concious choice to go out and buy another box of fags, having gone without for so long.

 

And those that quit by replacing the nicotine with patches etc?

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I smoke when I'm on fire ffs

 

 

If ciggies were invented today, they would be banned.... Saying that, so would booze I guess.

 

I have the odd ciggie if I am am very drunk... Would say about 10 a year

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How about execution of anyone you personally disapprove of?

Yes, smoking is antisocial, but then shooting people is also antisocial. So why not execute anyone who carries a gun, for starters?

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Unless you have mates who smoke while driving with you, then I can't see how passive smoking isnt entirely avoidable these days.

 

Not been to the bog at half time then?

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Non smoker since 1995, but if smokers want to pay bucket load of tax and end their life early then that is their perogative. As long as thay keep their dirty habit outside the building its fine by me if they want to carry on.

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Not been to the bog at half time then?

 

Actually that's a good point; I had the misfortune of being in the Northam once last season, and at half time it was as if the smoking ban had never happened. A horrid throwback, as you descended the stairs into the concourse you could just see the thick wall of smoke.

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And those that quit by replacing the nicotine with patches etc?

 

I don't get your point? If you've gone through all the pain and mental anguish of giving up cigarettes, via patches or whatever, why go back to cigarettes?

 

You can quit most drugs cold turkey with enough will power. It will be incredibly unpleasant but if you really want it that much you can do it.

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I don't get your point? If you've gone through all the pain and mental anguish of giving up cigarettes, via patches or whatever, why go back to cigarettes?

 

You can quit most drugs cold turkey with enough will power. It will be incredibly unpleasant but if you really want it that much you can do it.

 

You speak as if addicts who manage to quit drugs and alcohol never return to their old ways.

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Non smoker - filthy habit.

 

 

Haven't had one since Monday. Sort of my ritual smoke for a few months, give up for a year or so, smoke for a few months, give up etc etc.

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Non smoker - filthy habit.

 

 

Haven't had one since Monday. Sort of my ritual smoke for a few months, give up for a year or so, smoke for a few months, give up etc etc.

 

 

so you're one of these 'giving up smoking is easy, done it lots of times' people then. :rolleyes:

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What I don't get is why anyone would ever have a second drag after their first?? I remember it being truely horrific the first time, so god knows how people go back to the point of becoming addicted.

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What I don't get is why anyone would ever have a second drag after their first?? I remember it being truely horrific the first time, so god knows how people go back to the point of becoming addicted.

 

Because tobacco companies have always been good at making you think that it's what you need to do. They have been succeeded

by fast food outlets who get you to eat their crap.

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I don't get your point? If you've gone through all the pain and mental anguish of giving up cigarettes, via patches or whatever, why go back to cigarettes?

 

You can quit most drugs cold turkey with enough will power. It will be incredibly unpleasant but if you really want it that much you can do it.

 

Thus showing you don't understand what you're talking about. The addiction is to the nicotine, not the cigarette. So if you use patches for 6 months, you've not actually taken away the addiction. Hence, after 6 months they may well go back to cigarettes as the addiction is still there.

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Thus showing you don't understand what you're talking about. The addiction is to the nicotine, not the cigarette. So if you use patches for 6 months, you've not actually taken away the addiction. Hence, after 6 months they may well go back to cigarettes as the addiction is still there.

 

You keep saying that whilst ignoring what I've actually written. How odd.

 

I know nicotine is the addictive drug, however if you quit you can be over the withdrawl in less than a week. 6 months seems like a ridiculous amount of time to be on nicotine patches to me. They're not supposed to be a completely substitute for cigarettes. The idea is you use them and decrease the usage until eventually you are independant.

 

My original point was, why go back to cigarettes if you are on patches? If you are getting the nicotine you need without most of the side effects of smoking, why go back to cigarettes.

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Gave up in December having smoked for nearly 10 years I guess. Had a chest infection so wasn't smoking for a week or so, and just thought I'd give giving up a go. I only really have the odd one when right on the p*ss, but I've been knocking that on the head recently too.

 

I know it's really bad for you, but it's the money that is the main deterrent for me. The money I will save by not smoking will comfortably pay for me to have a week in Ibiza every year. Flying from Bournemouth tomorrow evening :smug:

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