Jump to content

Craig Gordon

Saint Charlie

By Saint Charlie,
in The Saints

 Share

Recommended Posts

badgerx16

badgerx16

Posted
Posted
I'd never seen Gazza play but the obligatory YouTube compilation suggested his calm distribution was one of his strengths.

 

Imagine my surprise when he seemed really nervous in a couple of pre-season friendly appearances.

 

I don't think he's ready to come in against Villa. If he does then Adkins will have another Bart on his hands.

 

But he has to be ready, we're one injury to KD away from him being #1.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
The9

The9

Posted
Posted
Strange, I always thought Red Herring was a diversion intended to make people think you were doing one thing while you did something else.....

 

Leak Saints looking at Gordon while chasing a proper keeper..........

 

(And on current style that means we should be looking at what 22/24 year old future Internationals are available on out of contract deals in Japan or South America or Africa or something)

 

No, a red herring is just something which is misleading, whether by design or not.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
maysie

maysie

Posted
Posted
Keep posting, don't let the idiots scare you off. I love when people use the post count argument, conveniently forgetting that you have been a member on this messageboard for almost six years.

 

Apologies didn't see how long he had been a member. Hypo - don't call me an idiot. ;)

Link to comment
Share on other sites
tajjuk

tajjuk

Posted
Posted (edited)
Is Craig Gordon dodgy? I remember him being really good, just injury prone. Maybe I missed his poorer games. He certainly did OK in spells and I really fear for Kelvin's confidence at the moment. I've always thought he very limited, but I think most would agree he's a lot better than he's shown so far this season. That's a bigger problem, because if his confidence has gone, he's capable of truly awful mistakes and it will cost us points.

 

Well Sunderland paid £9 million for him from Hearts which I think was a British record fee for a goalkeeper until De Gea. He was one of the hottest properties around, he played a full season for Sunderland but has since had injury troubles. He also has the best save ever in the Premier League - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_League_20_Seasons_Awards#Best_Save

 

If fit and on form his ability would be way above what KDs ever could be.

 

 

 

 

 

Having said that though, Boruc is better than both of them, rated amongst the best 5 keepers in the world in 2008, Fiorentinaa's no1 for the last two years, 14, clean sheets in the league, wasn't released by them (offered a new contract). It's a shame a guy who is clearly better than KD, who we could sign today, is going to sit on the bench at Everton.

Edited by tajjuk
Link to comment
Share on other sites
ART

ART

Posted
Posted
Looks like Boruc is off to Everton. http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/912239-artur-boruc-closes-on-everton-move-after-missing-out-on-qpr#ixzz26uLGGdS7

 

Im used to 1 or 2 getting a bit angry, especially if I say something negative but I just say how I see it.

 

Metro articles are usually agent talk so perhaps Boruc is available. My Celtic director friend doesn't rate him any longer and says we shouldn't bother. Anyone has to be better than Kelvin as he's playing at the moment.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
tajjuk

tajjuk

Posted
Posted
Why would Boruc prefer to be everton no.2 than no.1 at another premier league club?

 

Because no other premier league club has offered him a spot? QPR were in for him but went for Julio Cesar. I'm trying to think of clubs that need better goalkeepers, Spurs have 4 quality keepers as an example.

 

Arsenal maybe? Man Utd? though I doubt they would admit to it after spending £17 million on one.

 

Only us and Reading really.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
SaintRichmond

SaintRichmond

Posted
Posted
Well Sunderland paid £9 million for him from Hearts which I think was a British record fee for a goalkeeper until De Gea. He was one of the hottest properties around, he played a full season for Sunderland but has since had injury troubles. He also has the best save ever in the Premier League - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_League_20_Seasons_Awards#Best_Save

 

If fit and on form his ability would be way above what KDs ever could be.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Having said that though, Boruc is better than both of them, rated amongst the best 5 keepers in the world in 2008, Fiorentinaa's no1 for the last two years, 14, clean sheets in the league, wasn't released by them (offered a new contract). It's a shame a guy who is clearly better than KD, who we could sign today, is going to sit on the bench at Everton.

 

 

He won't be going there to sit on the bench, that's Lloris's job at the Spuds Field

Link to comment
Share on other sites
tajjuk

tajjuk

Posted
Posted
Surely playing for us or reading is better than sitting on a bench somewhere? Don't see the point in being reserve keeper somewhere with such an established no.1. Unless you're richard wright of course.

 

Neither do I, but I'm presuming Everton are the only offer he has had. In the article he's a little surprised at not being picked up earlier so being on the bench at Everton and getting paid is better than not. We should definitely talk to him IMO but I don;t see anything linking him to us.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
tajjuk

tajjuk

Posted
Posted
As I said on #2, I just dont see it as 'our way' and essentially conceding that we messed up in the transfer window

 

Messed up in the transfer window or messed up in the assessment of Davis? we decided the likes of Sharp and Hammond were not PL quality but decided KD was.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
david in sweden

david in sweden

Posted
Posted
......Leak Saints looking at Gordon while chasing a proper keeper..........

 

(And on current style that means we should be looking at what 22/24 year old future Internationals are available on out of contract deals in Japan or South America or Africa or something)

 

 

....that was also my thought. I trust now that NA has realised that KD is fallible....even if he is not branded as a bad keeper. I noted that Rob Green had a terrible start to the season, too.

 

However, suddenly finding a top drawer keeper who " just happens to be OOC " would be a miracle, but who knows?....it's a very big world and, as of late, we seem to be circumventing it quite a lot.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Saint Garrett

Saint Garrett

Posted
Posted

I think every man and his dog could see that we needed to bring in a keeper who was atleast going to compete with Davis for a starting place this year. Same goes for the defence. For whatever reason, we failed to bring in the players we wanted. - I would guess the defender was Rhys Williams, and then a day before the transfer window closes he goes and gets another long term injury. The keeper situation, I just do not know but I'd be very surprised if we settled for the fact that Davis with Gazza as backup would be enough.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Window Cleaner

Window Cleaner

Posted
Posted
I think every man and his dog could see that we needed to bring in a keeper who was atleast going to compete with Davis for a starting place this year. Same goes for the defence. For whatever reason, we failed to bring in the players we wanted. - I would guess the defender was Rhys Williams, and then a day before the transfer window closes he goes and gets another long term injury. The keeper situation, I just do not know but I'd be very surprised if we settled for the fact that Davis with Gazza as backup would be enough.

 

Not so, I said last April/May that we needed a new number 1 keeper or at least a contender and got the old "Don't be a c**t,KD will be just fine" from a whole lot of posters. Do they not watch matches? they're probably too busy sending texts or worrying about whether the Itchen North are keeping up with the OWTSGMI rhythm of the day. It is wholly evident to anyone who watches Saints matches in detail (and that probably includes our current opposition's coaches) that KD has some very very apparent weaknesses and you just need to exploit them early on and our straw house crumbles. A team is only as good as it's weakest link.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
derry

derry

Posted
Posted
Not so, I said last April/May that we needed a new number 1 keeper or at least a contender and got the old "Don't be a c**t,KD will be just fine" from a whole lot of posters. Do they not watch matches? they're probably too busy sending texts or worrying about whether the Itchen North are keeping up with the OWTSGMI rhythm of the day. It is wholly evident to anyone who watches Saints matches in detail (and that probably includes our current opposition's coaches) that KD has some very very apparent weaknesses and you just need to exploit them early on and our straw house crumbles. A team is only as good as it's weakest link.

 

Absolutely true and they are all on here now slating him. Goalkeeper as the weakest link is a nightmare. He isn't even shotstopping, now they are going in.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Crab Lungs

Crab Lungs

Posted
Posted

If we sign Gordon, he'll just be a lankier, younger version of Davis. If a defence wobbles infront of him, he wobbles and makes Carson-esque errors. Yes, a good shot stopper. That's it.

 

We need a strong character in goal. Then again, we need another CB and LB too.

 

Boruc and Mensah would go a long, long way to solving some of the problems.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Dalek2003

Dalek2003

Posted
Posted
Absolutely true and they are all on here now slating him. Goalkeeper as the weakest link is a nightmare. He isn't even shotstopping, now they are going in.

 

Agreed . Rewriting history or their part in it, is an art for some.

 

They boasted about stopping the appointment of Hoddle in 2004, but when this led to the clubs demise they tried to re write or bury their part in the whole episode. Oh, and of course discredit posters like me who hold aloft the beacon of truth !!!

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd

Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd

Posted
Posted
Messed up in the transfer window or messed up in the assessment of Davis? we decided the likes of Sharp and Hammond were not PL quality but decided KD was.

 

Exactly! Sharp & Hammond didn't even kick a ball in the Premier league and were put out on loan. I find this a bit of a joke.

 

Oh, ESPN are reporting that we're close to agreeing a deal with Gordon.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Saint Charlie

Saint Charlie

Posted
  • Author
Posted
Exactly! Sharp & Hammond didn't even kick a ball in the Premier league and were put out on loan. I find this a bit of a joke.

 

Oh, ESPN are reporting that we're close to agreeing a deal with Gordon.

 

Regardless of Davis it is/was pretty clear that Hammond (certainly) and Sharp (most probably) were not going to be up to the Premier League - can't really see what our issue is with those moves - we had to remove some players to make way for the ones we brought in. They are both decent Championship players, but very few would have put them in our starting team this season, and Hammond wouldn't have been a first choice for many last year.

 

You also have to remember that some players do want to play - and Im sure Hammond wouldnt have been too happy sitting in the stands every week.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
OldNick

OldNick

Posted
Posted
Agreed . Rewriting history or their part in it, is an art for some.

 

They boasted about stopping the appointment of Hoddle in 2004, but when this led to the clubs demise they tried to re write or bury their part in the whole episode. Oh, and of course discredit posters like me who hold aloft the beacon of truth !!!

it is about time you let your love of GH go. Your postings are getting much like the character in Alan Partridge where he had a shrine to him and freaked Partridge out
Link to comment
Share on other sites
disconnect

disconnect

Posted
Posted
Exactly! Sharp & Hammond didn't even kick a ball in the Premier league and were put out on loan. I find this a bit of a joke.

 

Oh, ESPN are reporting that we're close to agreeing a deal with Gordon.

 

Nobody pick up on this? Quite interesting - think he could be good if he stays fit. Big IF! Can he pass out to the defence without passing straight to an opposing player?!

Link to comment
Share on other sites
VectisSaint

VectisSaint

Posted
Posted
Exactly! Sharp & Hammond didn't even kick a ball in the Premier league and were put out on loan. I find this a bit of a joke.

Sharp came on as sub twice, if he didn't touch the ball in those 2 appearances then maybe it says something about whether he was good enough for the PL. In fact I think he did have a few touches. Hammond was struggling to get into the team regularly in the Championship, I think it was fairly obvious he was surplus to requirements. Personally i would have kept Sharp, I think he could have been useful in some circumstances, but with the needs of the squad rules it has left us potentially with a couple of spaces for free agents (assuming the so-called GK rules really are tosh).

Link to comment
Share on other sites
tajjuk

tajjuk

Posted
Posted
Regardless of Davis it is/was pretty clear that Hammond (certainly) and Sharp (most probably) were not going to be up to the Premier League - can't really see what our issue is with those moves - we had to remove some players to make way for the ones we brought in. They are both decent Championship players, but very few would have put them in our starting team this season, and Hammond wouldn't have been a first choice for many last year.

 

You also have to remember that some players do want to play - and Im sure Hammond wouldnt have been too happy sitting in the stands every week.

 

I don't disagree with those statements, neither of those players were PL standard IMO, even as squad players.

 

What I was trying to illustrate though is that there is a common theme on here that we f*cked up in the transfer window and strengthened in the wrong areas and that not getting a new GK to challenge KD was one of these areas.

 

I don't believe this was the case, I don't think at any point a new GK was targeted to replaced Davis because I think they thought it wasn't an area that needed desperately improving and that KD would be up to it in this league. Hence why young goalkeepers like Butland and Gazzinga were targeted as current back ups to KD and replacements for him one or two seasons down the line.

 

So by getting Gordon in, it isn't an admission that our transfers were wrong, it's just recognising that KD is not playing anywhere near the level they expected him to be.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share
Go to topic listing
×
×
  • Create New...