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Where are these 'rumours'? I just dont see it as the way we go about business by admitting that we got it wrong in the transfer window.

 

Neither would I really, but if Davis isn't up to it then admitting we were wrong is better than continuing with a player who is out of his depth. Davis doesn't exactly have happy memories of the Prem either...

 

Rumour came from Alex Crook a Journalist on Twitter who covers Saints and has been at all Adkins Press Conferences. Simon Peach said last night he had put some feelers out on it.

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Speaks of desperation but signing him for the rest of the season whilst waiting to sign a long term Davis replacement next transfer window would be a good deal.

 

Dunno about desperation, realism maybe.

 

I'll admit I was one of those who believed that due to what he has done for the club Davis deserved his chance at the big time but I also felt we needed to get in some quality cover. While a lot of good things have been said about Gazzaniga whether he is ready to step in is obviously open to question. Whether we couldn't get the targets we were after or whether we were initially happy with what we've got is also open to conjecture. What is not is that a fit and on form Craig Gordon would be a great signing for many teams.

 

You'd have to say that there has to be some pretty serious doubts over his future ability to stay fit doing the rounds. Either that or he is simply demanding too big a wage for anyone to be prepared to take the risk.

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Yep, smells of desperation. I personally would stick with what we have and work on it, but it does point to my other comments on the NA thread of whom ever thought our defence was up to the Prem was seriously deluded, and this fact is more worrying.

 

Kelvin has had an entire career to work on the basics, he just isn't good enough for this league so it's a situation that needs sorting. Whether that's by giving Gazzaniga a chance to play or signing a free agent like Gordon action must be taken.

 

Let's not forget that he played a season of PL football with Sunderland and was diabolical then too.

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Dunno about desperation, realism maybe.

 

I'll admit I was one of those who believed that due to what he has done for the club Davis deserved his chance at the big time but I also felt we needed to get in some quality cover. While a lot of good things have been said about Gazzaniga whether he is ready to step in is obviously open to question. Whether we couldn't get the targets we were after or whether we were initially happy with what we've got is also open to conjecture. What is not is that a fit and on form Craig Gordon would be a great signing for many teams.

 

You'd have to say that there has to be some pretty serious doubts over his future ability to stay fit doing the rounds. Either that or he is simply demanding too big a wage for anyone to be prepared to take the risk.

 

If you look at the keepers we were linked with in the window, for example Butland, they were young 'future' keepers.

 

I honestly believe that the management team were confident that KD would be good enough. So far from the first 4 games it seems like he isn't. If there are 'free' keepers out there who at the very least would be challenging KD for the no 1 jersey then I personally can't see the harm in signing them. Boruc and Gordon both fall into that category to me.

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I think this is the clue.. He isn't. He has played 16 games in 2 years. Cortese is not being stubborn just sensibly does not want to pay someone to sit in the treatment room. Move on, there is a reason why he is a free agent, and it is because he is crocked.

 

To be fair to him, he broke his arm twice, don't think that indicates anything but bad luck, but it certainly doesn't indicate he is injury prone. Unless you think Petr Cech is injury prone for being kicked in the head?

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To be fair to him, he broke his arm twice, don't think that indicates anything but bad luck, but it certainly doesn't indicate he is injury prone. Unless you think Petr Cech is injury prone for being kicked in the head?

So you would ignore the knee tendon and cruciate anterior ligament injuries he has suffered since retunring from his two arm breakages (same arm broken twice). I never said he was injury prone (although the evidence is that he is), I said he is crocked, and it would seem Sunderland seem to share this view hence his release. Its a shame for him, but in the end some footballer's careers are cut short by injury, Gordon appears to be one such.

 

If we are looking for a free agent keeper, surely Boruc is a (slightly) better option than Gordon, at least he has played regularly for the lasy few seasons (can't say I have ever seen him play), Wet Sham decided not to pursue him after a trial recently I believe.

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He was in talks with Celtic pre-season. Does anyone know why they broke down?

Never really got off the ground , Celtic always wanted Fraser Foster from Newcastle but took a while to thrash out a deal , Craig Gordon was I think just used as a lever or back up if the Foster deal stalled, I dont think Gordon was really a serious option.

 

IMO Craig Gordon is a lot better than KD , but Artur Borac is better than either.

 

If nothing happens on the Goalkeeper front this week I hope that NA gives Gazza a chance , definately worth a go as he cannot do any worse than KD did at the Emirates

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So you would ignore the knee tendon and cruciate anterior ligament injuries he has suffered since retunring from his two arm breakages (same arm broken twice). I never said he was injury prone (although the evidence is that he is), I said he is crocked, and it would seem Sunderland seem to share this view hence his release. Its a shame for him, but in the end some footballer's careers are cut short by injury, Gordon appears to be one such.

 

If we are looking for a free agent keeper, surely Boruc is a (slightly) better option than Gordon, at least he has played regularly for the lasy few seasons (can't say I have ever seen him play), Wet Sham decided not to pursue him after a trial recently I believe.

 

I'm not ignoring them but he had surgery on his knee and has since returned to full first team action, therefore he isn't 'crocked'. I would presume Sunderland didn't offer him a new contract because they don't need 3 international goalkeepers? So the one that has been out with an injury, is probably on the highest wages and who's contract is expiring is the obvious one to release.

 

He's currently fit and wants to re-build his career, it's clear he's talented and would challenge KD for a place in the team.

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How is Boruc still a free agent? Was Fiorentina's number 1 last season and kept 14 clean sheets.

 

Boruc turned down an extension to his contract with a view to returning to the UK. managerial changes in Florence possibly helped his decision. I have watched a lot of Fiorentina on live streams following a visit there a couple of years back. Boruc arrived and took over from then current and popular keeper Sebastion Frey. Once Boruc got between the sticks Frey never appeared again and ended up moving on.

3 years younger than Kelvin and 3 inches taller he is a proper free agent, not injured or over the hill ! A keeper who commands his box and is very vocal too.

I have no problem with Craig Gordon but Artur Boruc with 40 odd international caps and 130 plus clean sheets from around 290 games is the real deal.

Lets take on Everton for this guy.....it could go a long way to keeping us up !!

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Who said our defence was good enough? Don't recall seeing one person suggest that. Big difference between knowing that and doing something about it. Could think of loads of midfield and attacking targets but bugger all defensive ones and countless clubs bigger than us seem to have defensive problems too.

 

If you read my reply you will say I said nothing about "who said our defence was good enough"...it says whom ever 'thought' our defence was up to the Prem, i.e., the person whom is actually calling the shots at SFC. Read the reply properly before you go jumping on people.

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Boruc turned down an extension to his contract with a view to returning to the UK. managerial changes in Florence possibly helped his decision. I have watched a lot of Fiorentina on live streams following a visit there a couple of years back. Boruc arrived and took over from then current and popular keeper Sebastion Frey. Once Boruc got between the sticks Frey never appeared again and ended up moving on.

3 years younger than Kelvin and 3 inches taller he is a proper free agent, not injured or over the hill ! A keeper who commands his box and is very vocal too.

I have no problem with Craig Gordon but Artur Boruc with 40 odd international caps and 130 plus clean sheets from around 290 games is the real deal.

Lets take on Everton for this guy.....it could go a long way to keeping us up !!

 

Solid keeper and a commanding presence. He would be the borrucs...

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I'm not ignoring them but he had surgery on his knee and has since returned to full first team action, therefore he isn't 'crocked'. I would presume Sunderland didn't offer him a new contract because they don't need 3 international goalkeepers? So the one that has been out with an injury, is probably on the highest wages and who's contract is expiring is the obvious one to release.

 

He's currently fit and wants to re-build his career, it's clear he's talented and would challenge KD for a place in the team.

OK, whatever you say, he is clearly just the guy we need, fully fit, raring to go, no issues at all. Luckily for Saints you are not the one who sorts out contracts. We don,t need a 3rd choice crocked has-been .

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Can anyone tell me the difference between Butland and Gazza, considering both plied their trade at League Two clubs last year?

 

I think the only real difference is..... that no-one bid £6 million for Gazzaniga.

 

or that Gazzaniga had not been considered for an early promotion to international duty by his country.

 

Spoke to a Gillingham supporting friend at the weekend by the way, he said his first and most lasting impression was of a young GK who really commanded the penalty area, and defence in front of him ( almost as "a young Peter Schmeichal" was the description given).

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How is Boruc still a free agent? Was Fiorentina's number 1 last season and kept 14 clean sheets.

 

He was going to sign for QPR but Cesar became available instead, there a direct quote from him about it somewhere. Hes a far better keeper than Davis.

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Hey, leave Flyer alone. He has always been respectful to us and insightful. He's a guest, be nice to him.

 

Getting back to the goalkeeper debate ..... I'm not familiar with his work, but it sounds like Artur Boruc would be a very good option and one we should look to pursue. Everton can only offer him a place on the bench. We can offer him the place in the starting 11. Davis will get some games, but I would offer Boruc the place as first choice keeper.

 

As Gordon has been away for so long, I could only offer him the chance to fight it out with Davis.

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I would rather prefer Boruc, for sure. he is more proved on the highest stage than CG!!! In addition to that, we need pacy and fast wingers. Today was watching Malaga and Zenit game and I was fond of Isco. He was terrorising Zenit all the game. great feet, excellent pace and hunger to win head to head with oposing defender. snap him up while he is 20 and no Barca or Real took him onboard. Him and Ramirez - damn, that would be huge!!!!

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Simon Peach ‏@SimonPeach

Led to believe rumours of Craig Gordon to #SaintsFC may be a red herring. Easy link after a poor goalkeeping performance & a 6-1 defeat?

 

:facepalm:

 

This is what will eventually lead to our demise and i dont think NA has the balls to play Gazza unless KD gets injured or something.

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Simon Peach ‏@SimonPeach

Led to believe rumours of Craig Gordon to #SaintsFC may be a red herring. Easy link after a poor goalkeeping performance & a 6-1 defeat?

 

:facepalm:

 

This is what will eventually lead to our demise and i dont think NA has the balls to play Gazza unless KD gets injured or something.

 

Strange, I always thought Red Herring was a diversion intended to make people think you were doing one thing while you did something else.....

 

Leak Saints looking at Gordon while chasing a proper keeper..........

 

(And on current style that means we should be looking at what 22/24 year old future Internationals are available on out of contract deals in Japan or South America or Africa or something)

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or that Gazzaniga had not been considered for an early promotion to international duty by his country.

 

Spoke to a Gillingham supporting friend at the weekend by the way, he said his first and most lasting impression was of a young GK who really commanded the penalty area, and defence in front of him ( almost as "a young Peter Schmeichal" was the description given).

 

Having seen Gazza play a number of times last season, I can say that your Gills supporting friend is spot on.

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OK, whatever you say, he is clearly just the guy we need, fully fit, raring to go, no issues at all. Luckily for Saints you are not the one who sorts out contracts. We don,t need a 3rd choice crocked has-been .

 

LOL, You do know he's 29? a Full 6 years younger than KD, he's taller, has 40 international caps and has more premiership experience?

 

You do also know that KD would be third choice at Sunderland as well, pretty much third choice at every premiership club :rolleyes:

 

So he's had a bad injury, doesn't mean he has one now, the fact that he is free and is trying to find a new club means we can negotiate a good deal for the club, get him on a 'pay as you play; deal or a 1 year contract, hardly huge gamble. It's an experienced keeper, who will challenge KD for a first team place, that will barely cost the club anything.

 

BTW Demba Ba had a serious knee injury, and Stoke turned down the chance to sign him as they thought he was a risk, he's worked out well since.

 

For the record I agree Boruc is a better choice seeing as he was no1 at Fiorentina last season, however we aren't linked to him. Gordon for me IF fit is still a better choice than KD though.

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I'd never seen Gazza play but the obligatory YouTube compilation suggested his calm distribution was one of his strengths.

 

Imagine my surprise when he seemed really nervous in a couple of pre-season friendly appearances.

 

I don't think he's ready to come in against Villa. If he does then Adkins will have another Bart on his hands.

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