Saint Garrett Posted 19 September, 2012 Share Posted 19 September, 2012 Is Cork going be another one that suffers from being injured so that the fans are suddenly going to expect miracles from him. i.e. Chaplow, Lee........Cork wasn't great for the second half of last season, yes it would be nice to have another option and I do rate him, however lets not pin our hopes on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 19 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 19 September, 2012 Is Cork going be another one that suffers from being injured so that the fans are suddenly going to expect miracles from him. i.e. Chaplow, Lee........Cork wasn't great for the second half of last season, yes it would be nice to have another option and I do rate him, however lets not pin our hopes on him. I do think however he is better suited to protecting the back four than Morgan is, especially seeing as he has played a lot of his career in various defensive positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 19 September, 2012 Share Posted 19 September, 2012 Is Cork going be another one that suffers from being injured so that the fans are suddenly going to expect miracles from him. i.e. Chaplow, Lee........Cork wasn't great for the second half of last season, yes it would be nice to have another option and I do rate him, however lets not pin our hopes on him. Is Cork Matt Oakley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 September, 2012 Share Posted 19 September, 2012 part of last season's success....and a while before that, was the great service that the strikers got from.... overlapping full backs who could center well into the box. I did see some stat. that said Fox gave 11 assists last season...and the figure for Richardson was not far behind that. Suddenly, we're saying (someone) is a good full back because he can attack, but a bad defender when he gets caught upfield, or doesn't have the pace to track back and tackle a fast-moving winger. ! ...If he's a defender, shouldn't he be rooted in his own penalty area all the time ? (someone suggested) .and NEVER cross the halfway line ! Well ..we had decades of full backs like that, and that wasn't any better then. I really don't know what we are supposed to expect from our defenders. Much of the criticism of the goals in the threads above - was placed on our midfield players !..and not the defenders. We don't mind when they put pin-point crosses in to the box....and someone scores, but criticise them like h*ll ...when they can't tackle back. Anyone who suggests we were bad on saturday because we couldn't take care of Ox should think back a bit to when he was in our first team. He was almost unplayable then, and he's even better now. Present day formations rely on strikers dropping back to defend.. . and full backs who can attack. It doesn't always work..even Rickie conceded an own goal last season whilst trying to help defend. When playing against sides like Arsenal ....it is always going to be difficult, the number of times we've won at Highbury (during our prev. 27 year Prem. spell) ... can be counted on the fingers of one hand. There's nothing sudden about it, we were saying it last season as well. Especially about Fox and Richardson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 September, 2012 Share Posted 19 September, 2012 Is Cork Matt Oakley? David Prutton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 September, 2012 Share Posted 19 September, 2012 I'd watch that Man City game back again if I was you. City created even more chances than Arsenal, the only thing that stopped City scoring six or more was their woeful finishing. City were better than Arsenal last season so that's to be expected. The point was that we held the ball in the opposition's half more, reducing their time to attack - and also Rodriguez did a pretty decent job defensively (for a striker). Besides, it wasn't until Rodriguez went off and Lambert came on that we actually conceded more than one goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 19 September, 2012 Share Posted 19 September, 2012 You don't blame Fox enough for the 3rd. For the whole game he was playing way too far forward and refused to be in line with the defence at ANY moment. The whole problem was that he was leaving masses of space for anyone and everyone because he seemed to want to be forward and a glory hog. Punch was no better OK I'm confused, is the problem with Fox that he doesn't overlap and get forward enough, or he does it too much? It seems to change from week to week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 19 September, 2012 Share Posted 19 September, 2012 City were better than Arsenal last season so that's to be expected. The point was that we held the ball in the opposition's half more, reducing their time to attack - and also Rodriguez did a pretty decent job defensively (for a striker). Besides, it wasn't until Rodriguez went off and Lambert came on that we actually conceded more than one goal. It wasn't until Lambert went off and Rodriguez came on that we conceded more than one goal against Man Utd. It was our midfield that didn't work more than anything else against Arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 19 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 19 September, 2012 OK I'm confused, is the problem with Fox that he doesn't overlap and get forward enough, or he does it too much? It seems to change from week to week. My main problem with him on Saturday, as it has been so far this season, at at many times last season is that he's a lazy defender, he doesn't always track runners, he doesn't close down enough and he doesn't always mark very well. Kind of irrelevant for defender how often he gets forward if he can't do the basics of defending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 September, 2012 Share Posted 19 September, 2012 It wasn't until Lambert went off and Rodriguez came on that we conceded more than one goal against Man Utd. It was our midfield that didn't work more than anything else against Arsenal. Point taken, you can prove anything with coincidence. However... v Man City - Rodriguez both strengthened the defence and gave us an outlet (dribbling down the left with Lallana) v Man Utd - tired defence spent 15 minutes hoofing at not-Lambert, Rodriguez was the only player to keep possession from an aerial ball in this timescale v Arsenal - Lambert massively isolated due to no linking with the midfield (eg the outlet that Rodriguez provided v Man City) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 19 September, 2012 Share Posted 19 September, 2012 Point taken, you can prove anything with coincidence. However... v Man City - Rodriguez both strengthened the defence and gave us an outlet (dribbling down the left with Lallana) v Man Utd - tired defence spent 15 minutes hoofing at not-Lambert, Rodriguez was the only player to keep possession from an aerial ball in this timescale v Arsenal - Lambert massively isolated due to no linking with the midfield (eg the outlet that Rodriguez provided v Man City) I'd say Guly did more linking than Rodriguez in the City game. Jrod was anonymous after the first 5 mins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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