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alpine_saint

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Dear me. We're having this thread are we?

 

No short memories. No one has forgotten three years ago. It was three years ago.

 

Seriously, if you don't want discussion of our current situation, this forum probably not for you.

 

Give it a rest.

 

Leave it, CB, this thread obviously serves some sort of therapeutic purpose. Its the TSW equivalent of a black couch, it seems.

 

If people dont want to look at our situation in the cold light of day and persist in harking back to where we were 3 years ago in order to get through the day, its up to them.

 

I said a while ago I couldnt give a sh*t if we went down again, so long as team and management did their best to prevent it. From my side, the team are doing that - there is no sign that anyone is underperforming (in over their heads, maybe...), but the management is questionable. And I am not necessarily talking about NA, I dont know where the problem is.

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I honestly have never come into contact with quite so many people who seem to have no ability to look at themselves and think 'Christ I'm being a bit of a pillock here'.

 

Quite. At times it's scary.

 

On another matter, the Premier League turns me off to be honest. I wouldn't be upset if we got relegated. That said there are plenty of other teams in this league who are no better than us, and I think we've done enough to show that we can stay up. I really hope that Cortese doesn't sack Adkins but if he does life goes on.

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Colinjb

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Leave it, CB, this thread obviously serves some sort of therapeutic purpose. Its the TSW equivalent of a black couch, it seems.

 

If people dont want to look at our situation in the cold light of day and persist in harking back to where we were 3 years ago in order to get through the day, its up to them.

 

I said a while ago I couldnt give a sh*t if we went down again, so long as team and management did their best to prevent it. From my side, the team are doing that - there is no sign that anyone is underperforming (in over their heads, maybe...), but the management is questionable. And I am not necessarily talking about NA, I dont know where the problem is.

 

Down negative man, down!

 

This is not the place. ;)

 

If you wish to microanalyse every shortcoming there are more then enough threads for that purpose, in the mean time this is a haven for those with a more pragmatic view.

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alpine_saint

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Down negative man, down!

 

This is not the place. ;)

 

If you wish to microanalyse every shortcoming there are more then enough threads for that purpose, in the mean time this is a haven for those with a more pragmatic view.

 

Strange, I thought I just said the team are doing as well as can be expected, and implored CB to allow you to get on with it.

 

Why is that negative ?

 

Btw, this thread is not "pragmatic" by any means.

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Colinjb

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Btw, this thread is not "pragmatic" by any means.

 

Ok, I grant you that. Well biten. ;)

 

Either way, your sort is not welcome here sonny! You are in no way optimistic Alpine, just a fact.

 

It's so nice being in the Premier League, two divisions above the skates and worrying about such matters premier league survival rather then overcoming -10 points and being managerless in the League 1 relegation zone.

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alpine_saint

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Ok, I grant you that. Well biten. ;)

 

Either way, your sort is not welcome here sonny!

 

It's so nice being in the Premier League, two divisions above the skates and worrying about such matters premier league survival rather then overcoming -10 points and being managerless in the League 1 relegation zone.

 

OK, we're gonna win the FA Cup and qualify for the Champions League.

 

Is that alright ?

 

 

 

 

 

Even though its b*ll*cks ?

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Colinjb

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OK, we're gonna win the FA Cup and qualify for the Champions League.

 

Is that alright ?

 

 

 

 

 

Even though its b*ll*cks ?

 

Trolling, such a shame.

 

Seriously, go play with your 3 kids for a bit at some point, it'll do you the power of good!

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T.REX

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No wrist-slitting here. Despite the results, before Saturday we had turned in 2 pretty damn good performances (i can't vouch for Wigan as i didn't see it). Even in the Championship there were occassions where we just didn't turn up for whatever reason (Bristol City H&A, Leicester H, Blackpool A, Brighton A), it's just that on Saturday we did that against one of the best clubs in the country. It's frustrating but it happens. We've just got to make sure we bounce back quickly which we are more than capable of doing.

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max_saints

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pretty amusing reading our reactions after the thumping: sack Adkins! bring in arry! change the captain! sign Gordon! sign boruc! sign upson! get Gary Neville to coach us! analyse whatever Norwich and Swansea did last season and copy them!

 

then again these are what the forums are for, no offense to supporters of any of the above opinions! (;

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Colinjb

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Bullet Point Reasons to be happy:

 

- We're Premier League

- We are capable now of being the 7th Highest Spenders in Europe!

- Taking the lead against both Manchester sides. I bet not many other clubs manage that this year.

- Rickie Lambert scoring twice in 4 games, in with a shout of being the top english goalscorer this year.

- The Japanese Olympic captain has joined us.. we get to see how he adapts now Jos is injured.

- Adam Lallana is on the fringes of the England squad, great reward for him.

- Our academy is still working at full tilt. JWP, Shaw, Callum Chambers etc...

- New training facilities, we are in the top tier of English clubs on this front alone.

- Come to mention it, the infrastructure remains first rate.

- Our 'rivals' are now on a distant plain to us, and will be for a very long time. (Think Stoke/Port Vale)

- The in-ground catering is sh*te and we have no radio station, therefore we must be putting the money into the right areas.

- Gary Neville credits us as tactically doing the right things.

- Danny Fox has now scored for us.

- 23,000 or so season ticket holders.

- Even if we do go down, Parachute payments and extremely high sell on values for our players.

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ibizasaint

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I think we should wait and see how we get on against more realistic opposition before doing anything drastic...I mean if it goes on too long something will have to be done, but we only have 3 players who have any prem experience and 2 are arguably the 2 weakest links in the team.The others are having to learn bloody quickly against teams that are among the favourites to win the Champions League. I think we should see how we are going closer to xmas before making a judgement on NA.

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Bullet Point Reasons to be happy:

 

- We're Premier League

- We are capable now of being the 7th Highest Spenders in Europe!

- Taking the lead against both Manchester sides. I bet not many other clubs manage that this year.

- Rickie Lambert scoring twice in 4 games, in with a shout of being the top english goalscorer this year.

- The Japanese Olympic captain has joined us.. we get to see how he adapts now Jos is injured.

- Adam Lallana is on the fringes of the England squad, great reward for him.

- Our academy is still working at full tilt. JWP, Shaw, Callum Chambers etc...

- New training facilities, we are in the top tier of English clubs on this front alone.

- Come to mention it, the infrastructure remains first rate.

- Our 'rivals' are now on a distant plain to us, and will be for a very long time. (Think Stoke/Port Vale)

- The in-ground catering is sh*te and we have no radio station, therefore we must be putting the money into the right areas.

- Gary Neville credits us as tactically doing the right things.

- Danny Fox has now scored for us.

- 23,000 or so season ticket holders.

- Even if we do go down, Parachute payments and extremely high sell on values for our players.

 

Bullet Point Reasons to be unhappy:

 

- We have failed to beat the top teams in England and even Europe in our opening 4 games

- Cortese and Reed spent all summer conspiring behind Adkins back, bringing in their signings and completely ignoring Adkins

- We have wasted 12M on Ramirez when we could have been signing 4 x Titus Brambles for the same amount

- We have been embarrassed by empty seats at St Marys

- We have an unwelcome contingent of plastic Japanese supporters

- Adkins is no longer a good manager because of the subs he used against Utd

- We don't have Gary Neville as a coach

- Hansen has said that we if don't win our next two games, it's over for us with 32 games to play

- Kelvin is now short and fat

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alpine_saint

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Bullet Point Reasons to be unhappy:

 

- We have failed to beat the top teams in England and even Europe in our opening 4 games

- Cortese and Reed spent all summer conspiring behind Adkins back, bringing in their signings and completely ignoring Adkins

- We have wasted 12M on Ramirez when we could have been signing 4 x Titus Brambles for the same amount

- We have been embarrassed by empty seats at St Marys

- We have an unwelcome contingent of plastic Japanese supporters

- Adkins is no longer a good manager because of the subs he used against Utd

- We don't have Gary Neville as a coach

- Hansen has said that we if don't win our next two games, it's over for us with 32 games to play

- Kelvin is now short and fat

 

Sarcasm is a positive emotion, is it ?

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Well in all honesty we are 1 point behind where I thought we'd be after 4 games. Albeit with a slightly larger GD than I thought.

 

We have had an immensely tough start to the new campaign, for me its now how the players and coaching staff learn and rise from this.

 

I've seen some good football played by us which is more impressive considering the opposition and the fact that we are in effect playing a new system to our previous two years.

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Well in all honesty we are 1 point behind where I thought we'd be after 4 games. Albeit with a slightly larger GD than I thought.

 

We have had an immensely tough start to the new campaign, for me its now how the players and coaching staff learn and rise from this.

 

I've seen some good football played by us which is more impressive considering the opposition and the fact that we are in effect playing a new system to our previous two years.

 

I wasn't even expecting us to score against City, Utd and Arsenal, So we're probably one point behind where I thought we would be but the goal difference about the same. I think it's quite funny how people on this board were saying all summer 'wait until after the Arsenal game and we're bottom for the meltdown on here'. Precisely that has happened. I'm a little concerned, but not overly worried, I'd be a lot more worried if we'd got 1 more point, but played WHU's fixtures!

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I'm enjoying this season so far, we're playing mainly good football and I'm sure we'll give a good account of ourselves.

 

If it's back to the champ after one season then c'est la vie, the champ is a great league but I think we'll gel and stay up anyway.

 

Totally relaxed about this season though we could have helped ourselves a bit more by getting a class GK.

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Colinjb

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Is it really? A young Championship striker with 1 year left on his contract? I would compare him against other players of that ilk, but Premier League teams don't seem to pay that much for players like that.

 

Connor Wickham - £8 Million

David Nugent - £6 million

I would even throw in Jordan Rhodes for £8 Million

 

It's not unprecidented.

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Colinjb

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And look at the names on that list. They have all been very poor (too early to judge Rhodes I know). Also had longer on their contracts.

 

Too early to judge Wickham too I would say, very young when signed and with the pressure of the Price tag.

 

Rodriguez has proven to more prolific then Wickham and Nugent at Championship level and trailed by Adkins for a long time. It would be unfair to judge him on the basis of the first four games before writing him off as a waste of money. And even if he is..... the bare statistics show we paid the going rate for a prolific young english championship striker on a long contract.

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How much would you have demanded if Saints had a young English striker 2nd in the championship top scorers list? I have a feeling fans would have moaned like hell if we'd only got 7m. Can't have it both ways.

 

Also, if JRod was rubbish and we went down, he'd be exactly the guy we needed to fire us back up, so he'd probably become very popular in the end. In my 20 years or so following saints it seems like the patience and support for players has dwindled every single season. I started supporting them partly because they were local, partly MLT but also very much because I liked seeing fairly ordinary players getting great support from fans. JRod could come good this season, next, the year after. He's only a waste of money if he leaves for less money having achieved very little, until that point lay off the guy FFS.

 

errrrrrr we did he is called Billy Sharp and he was third top scorer in the champ last season and the second English top scorer and we let him go for errr nothing. J-rod only came in joint 9th top scorer last season with David Nugent............

 

Nothing against J-rod may turn out to be a great player for us far to early to tell either way.

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kwsaint

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i only started this thread as a tad of breathing space for those who don't like to hear that our club is the ****test it's ever been. yes we're a the bottom of the league but it's unbelieveable how quickly people expected us to fit in the PL. I agree with alpine on this. Say we do go down, if we have the structure and players to ensure that we're improving then where is the problem? We're go down and then bounce up again with the parachute payments and so forth. Just because we've had 3 seasons of bollocking the opposition, people seem to think that there is no reason why this season won't be as easy.

 

Rant over.

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We're going to finish 10th this season and then press on towards the top five the following season. Although it was a disappointment to lose against Wigan at home, the players that we have signed since would have made a difference had they been available. We gave both City and United a nasty fright and played Arsenal too early on in the season. Sometimes every chance falls into the laps of a team and Arsenal had two own goals and a good free-kick to include three goals into their total. It was actually far more difficult for Lambert to have missed his chance than to score it, so although Arsenal did dominate for much of the match, the scoreline did not need to have been that emphatic.

 

If we strengthen the defence with loans or out of contract replacements, I could actually contemplate us beating one of those top three teams in the return fixture.

 

Towards the end of last season, Wigan beat Liverpool, Manchester United, Arsenal and Newcastle. None of them are invincible if the football Gods are not smiling down on them.

 

I recall there being occasions at the start of the past two seasons when there had been a reverse at some stage and some posters voiced their opinions that we had blown our chances of promotion, or reaching the play-offs, or that we would end up mid-table, etc. Many of the same posters have already decided that we will be amongst the relegation candidates this season.

 

It will be fun digging up some of these threads at the end of the season if we have established a decent position.

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We're going to finish 10th this season and then press on towards the top five the following season. Although it was a disappointment to lose against Wigan at home, the players that we have signed since would have made a difference had they been available. We gave both City and United a nasty fright and played Arsenal too early on in the season. Sometimes every chance falls into the laps of a team and Arsenal had two own goals and a good free-kick to include three goals into their total. It was actually far more difficult for Lambert to have missed his chance than to score it, so although Arsenal did dominate for much of the match, the scoreline did not need to have been that emphatic.

 

If we strengthen the defence with loans or out of contract replacements, I could actually contemplate us beating one of those top three teams in the return fixture.

 

Towards the end of last season, Wigan beat Liverpool, Manchester United, Arsenal and Newcastle. None of them are invincible if the football Gods are not smiling down on them.

 

I recall there being occasions at the start of the past two seasons when there had been a reverse at some stage and some posters voiced their opinions that we had blown our chances of promotion, or reaching the play-offs, or that we would end up mid-table, etc. Many of the same posters have already decided that we will be amongst the relegation candidates this season.

 

It will be fun digging up some of these threads at the end of the season if we have established a decent position.

 

or vice versa the annual saints web end of season "I was right" fest ....never to be missed:)

 

Personally I have no idea where we will finish this season so I'm not making any predictions......

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Wes Tender

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or vice versa the annual saints web end of season "I was right" fest ....never to be missed:)

 

Personally I have no idea where we will finish this season so I'm not making any predictions......

 

Fair enough. It's a very reasonable position to hold, as it is difficult to make any realistic predictions under these circumstances. If we had been in the division last year and improved the squad, it would be reasonable to predict an improved league position. As it is, the only guideline we have is that Swansea and Norwich both managed to do OK last season, but where they have both lost their managers who achieved that feat and also some key players, even that is debateable as to whether they can do as well.

 

On the plus side, we have Cork and Lee yet to make an impression in this division, hopefully a good one. Of the new signings, I am pretty confident that Ramirez will be a revelation, but it remains to be seen how Yoshida and Mayuka will fare, also Jay Rod. But I think that we have goals throughout the team and that will hold us in good stead.

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