How much time should Adkins be given?

[The Kraken]

Then again wolves have not stuck with Terry conner.

 

West Ham?

 

What happens at one club bears little comparison to another

 

I think even you'd recognise that Terry Connor is a thoroughly barmy example.

 

I used Holloway as an example because the parallels with Adkins and us are very similar. He went there when they were struggling, moulded them into his shape, improved them, got them promoted, played decent football but ultimately weren't quite string enough to stay up. They kept with him and I'm sure are thankful they did; as such they're a decent enough example to use.

[svetigpung]

I'm of the opinion that, even if we were to get relegated, I'd stick with the manager. For a number of reasons:

 

- He's done a brilliant job to get us promoted twice in successive seasons.

 

- The quality of football we're playing is decent, and at times we look a very good side.

 

- The weaknesses in goal and in defence were addressed by the manager at the start of the transfer window and not adequately covered by the transfer committee.

 

- If we did go down this season, I can't think of a manager better equipped to get us back up again at the first time of asking (look at HollowHead at Blackpool).

 

EXACTLY....he's de man

[Thedelldays]

EXACTLY....he's de man

 

I hope so..... But if we go on losing and rooted to the bottom of the league.... He won't be.

[svetigpung]

I hope so..... But if we go on losing and rooted to the bottom of the league.... He won't be.

 

unfortunately so , BUT there is no-one better for the job. Stay with him through good and bad times.

 

I'm pretty sure if he goes then old saggy face will back in the running.......noooooooooooooo! lets never return to those old days.

[Tom90]

Best examples :

Man Utd

Arsenal

Everton

Stoke

Wigan

Worst examples :

Teams that change their manager every year or so (too many to list)!

 

You can exclude Man City and Chelsea as they throw silly money away, but generally speaking there is no advantage whatsoever in having a medium/long term plan and then changing manager after a run of bad results IMO !

Look at Wolves last year, they were in a relegation dogfight, sacked McCarthy and things went from bad to worse !

The football world today is full of idiots who think that the solution to every short term problem is to sack the manager. It may serve to appease the mob but does nothing to achieve longer term stability for the club !

All IMHO of course !

 

Think that argument is slightly overplayed. These managers have been kept on because they've been successful and have then continued to be successful.

 

End of the day how did Adkins get the job?

 

That's not to say I think he should lose his job, if we were relegated I'd give him the chance to get us back up.

[DrZuess1979 the 2nd]

Think that argument is slightly overplayed. These managers have been kept on because they've been successful and have then continued to be successful.

 

End of the day how did Adkins get the job?

 

That's not to say I think he should lose his job, if we were relegated I'd give him the chance to get us back up.

 

They were not all successful from the off

 

Adkins has been, we are now in the best league in the world on a 5 year plan.

I agree he should be given the whole season and at worst a half of the next (if we are in the Champ and struggling)

[Saint Fan CaM]

Might as well get rid now.

 

On the other hand, we could learn from the revolving door policy of the Lowe era, get behind the club we support including the Manager come thick or thin. If NC wants rid of NA, then it'll probably happen when we least expect anyway.

[krissyboy31]

We have just gained back to back promotions, to survive after that would be astonishing. If relegation happens this year he should be given the chance to take us up at the first attempt, he has earned the right to try. The grass isn't always greener elsewhere.

This is what I think should happen.

 

Don't agree... We are here. We are the 7th biggest spenders in Europe..... If we are Rock bottom come end November I fully expect adkins to be gone

This is probably quite likely (if bottom at the end of November).

maybe that's what should happen, it won't though. I'd think if we lose against Villa he's a goner.

 

Can't see this tbh I think he'll get at least 10 games.

[CB Fry]

I'm aware of that. My point was that Blackpool have stuck with Holloway, they were fairly decent last year and made the playoffs, they look like mounting a decent challenge this season. This from a side who aren't exactly huge, but they've managed to keep the bulk of their team together.

 

 

Just thinking we contrast with Blackpool in that they didn't really pay Prem wages in the Prem and spent their Prem money on infrastructure.

 

And they are smaller and carry less expectation than us.

 

I agree with your point but I can't see it. Adkins won't survive relegation IMO.

Edited 17 September, 2012 by CB Fry

[ottery st mary]

We win Saturday and climb the table....We have the team/SQUAD and NA stays to lead us on..

[The Kraken]

Just thinking we contrast with Blackpool in that they didn't really pay Prem wages in the Prem and spent their Prem money on infrastructure.

 

And they are smaller and carry less expectation than us.

 

I agree with your point but I can't see it. Adkins won't survive relegation IMO.

 

Yeah, maybe.

 

I think I was just trying to highlight the general point that relegation needn't immediately result in sacking the manager. Its a moot point anyway, as you say Adkins wouldn't survive a relegation, its debatable he'll even get that far.

[del boy]

Nigel's already about a year ahead of schedule

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

Yeah, maybe.

 

I think I was just trying to highlight the general point that relegation needn't immediately result in sacking the manager. Its a moot point anyway, as you say Adkins wouldn't survive a relegation, its debatable he'll even get that far.

 

I don't think he will last another 4 losses. I feel it in me bones.

[John B]

Nigel's already about a year ahead of schedule

 

 

 

And that is the problem we reached the PL with not enough experienced PL standard players

 

Perhaps we should get in some extra coaching not a new manager

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

And that is the problem we reached the PL with not enough experienced PL standard players

 

Perhaps we should get in some extra coaching not a new manager

 

Dunno, Norwich had the same swift rise as we did and Swansea went up unfancied via the playoffs. I do think it is really unfortunate that we were given such a tough start. Now the pressure is on to produce some results. Hopefully we will do that and all this talk will go away.

[Dr Who?]

Give him the whole season, if we stay up, keep on going. If we go down, keep him for a whole season to try and get us back up.

 

So what I am saying is keep him no matter what for at least 18 months, but hopefully into Europe in the future.

 

In Nigel we trust.

[CB Fry]

Nigel's already about a year ahead of schedule

 

 

No he isn't. Cortese talked about expecting to be champions last year, and not in April or May but way back about this time last year.

 

And the schedule thing doesn't really make sense anyway. If we were still in the Championship, and we go promoted in 2013 instead, do you really think that team would be any better prepared for the Premier League than the team we have now? Simply, no. I remember making this point this time last year too, when people on here used to go on about "we don't want to get promoted too soon".

 

Any team that gets promoted after a long time out (ie not the likes of WHU) are quite simply not going to have a team "ready" for the Premier League. You've got to learn and build on the job, and that's what Nigel and the players need to do.

 

You don't prepare for the Premier League by being in the championship.

[Thedelldays]

No he isn't. Cortese talked about expecting to be champions last year, and not in April or May but way back about this time last year.

 

And the schedule thing doesn't really make sense anyway. If we were still in the Championship, and we go promoted in 2013 instead, do you really think that team would be any better prepared for the Premier League than the team we have now? Simply, no. I remember making this point this time last year too, when people on here used to go on about "we don't want to get promoted too soon".

 

Any team that gets promoted after a long time out (ie not the likes of WHU) are quite simply not going to have a team "ready" for the Premier League. You've got to learn and build on the job, and that's what Nigel and the players need to do.

 

You don't prepare for the Premier League by being in the championship.

 

I agree... I wonder if people would be son forgiving about adkins and this generic 5 year plan if we were in league 1 still this season..... Not. Chace

 

As for people saying no one could do better... Again, clearly rubbish

Remember how the club was going to implode and the players were going to leave when the "underwhelming" adkins came in...

 

Yep, remember the reaction to his appointment well.... Did alright didn't he

 

Going up from league 1 was the bare minimum.. It was not a miracle.. It was not amazing it was the bare minimum...

 

Last season was very good.. We had a very good squad too.. Many managers who nearly all would turn their nose up have got automatic promotion in recent years...

 

I hope not but there is every chance adkins will not be good enough... To just sit by for the sake of it and do nothing IF THAT IS THE CASE would be comical and equally mental... And worth £40m+

[Thedelldays]

Nigel's already about a year ahead of schedule

 

How would staying in the NPC make us any more ready.

 

We were in the top 2 all Fuking season... If that is not enough to show we were ready for a shot at the prem I don't know what is....

[Turkish]

Cortese was also telling every new player (and making MLG jizz in his pants) that we'd be challenging for the champions league in three years and Nige was on about Europe. I'm sure they haven't factored in a relegation, likely rebuilding and another promotion into the equation to get there. All this nonsense about being ahead of schedule so relegation this season doesn't matter is ridiculous talk. We keep being told how ambitious Cortese is so if anyone thinks he is going to stand by and watch us be relegated they are mental.

[SaintRichmond]

Nigel's already about a year ahead of schedule

 

No he's not, just ask Nicola

 

We are in the Prem ON schedule

 

Getting Relegated from the Prem will NOT be to schedule

[alpine_saint]

Cortese was also telling every new player (and making MLG jizz in his pants) that we'd be challenging for the champions league in three years and Nige was on about Europe. I'm sure they haven't factored in a relegation, likely rebuilding and another promotion into the equation to get there. All this nonsense about being ahead of schedule so relegation this season doesn't matter is ridiculous talk. We keep being told how ambitious Cortese is so if anyone thinks he is going to stand by and watch us be relegated they are mental.

 

Yep.

[egg]

The financial ramifications of relegation, and inevitable loss of our best players, mean that unless results (forget performances, they don't get you points) improve then NA will be gone.

 

I really feel for NA as I have little doubt that he hasn't got the squad that he wants. I also can't see how anyone else could get more out of the group of players we have. That said, I'm in no doubt that if NC fires the gun he'll do it early, perhaps within the next month.

[conaero]

I'm of the opinion that, even if we were to get relegated, I'd stick with the manager. For a number of reasons:

 

- He's done a brilliant job to get us promoted twice in successive seasons.

 

- The quality of football we're playing is decent, and at times we look a very good side.

 

- The weaknesses in goal and in defence were addressed by the manager at the start of the transfer window and not adequately covered by the transfer committee.

 

- If we did go down this season, I can't think of a manager better equipped to get us back up again at the first time of asking (look at HollowHead at Blackpool).

 

Thats where my head is at the moment. Its like the team went up from the CC too soon, another year would have been better, another year of development. If we come back down, hell, keep him.

 

We know he is a great manager, he just is on a steep learning curve at the moment and well out of his comfort zone.

 

My biggest issue at the moment is who thought the defence inc the keeper was up to the job in the Prem. I suspect, being an ex keeper, this was not NA fault an he got overruled. I find the transfers bizarre TBH and it smells of someone calling the shots who shouldn't be.

[The9]

How would staying in the NPC make us any more ready.

 

We were in the top 2 all Fuking season... If that is not enough to show we were ready for a shot at the prem I don't know what is....

 

Fair point, what I think people are overlooking is that because we've come so far so quickly, our core of standby players includes people we signed as prospects in League One (eg Seaborne) or decent Championship players for getting us out of that league. Must be difficult to prepare for Man U and Arsenal when you've got Ben Reeves pretending to be Santi Cazorla on the training pitch. Consequently we have shape and organisation, but no experience of how to react in match-speed situations.

 

People may recall this was why I was banging on about Prem experience pre-season - we can bring in overseas players who SHOULD be able to adapt quickly to the pace of the English game, but it's still not quite the same as having already done it and having the expectation and knowledge of what to do at that speed (viz Gary Neville slating Clyne "wafting a leg" at the cross for his own goal on Saturday which he didn't need to do, and Hooiveld not retaining his composure for his OG).

[The9]

Thats where my head is at the moment. Its like the team went up from the CC too soon, another year would have been better, another year of development. If we come back down, hell, keep him.

 

We know he is a great manager, he just is on a steep learning curve at the moment and well out of his comfort zone.

 

My biggest issue at the moment is who thought the defence inc the keeper was up to the job in the Prem. I suspect, being an ex keeper, this was not NA fault an he got overruled. I find the transfers bizarre TBH and it smells of someone calling the shots who shouldn't be.

 

Tbh, I don't know how much more developed you can get in the Championship when you mostly can't sign Prem standard players or offer the wages until you're actually in the Prem itself.

 

It's just something you have to do when you get up there - hence part of the advantage yo-yo clubs have the second time back, they have Prem experience plus the newer players who filled the gaps left by the (usually) mercenaries when they went down who have a fresh attitude and are a new problem for the other managers to work out.

 

I don't think we've helped ourselves by only signing one experienced Prem pro, especially as he's not pulling up any trees at the moment.

 

Will be interesting to see if Cork has any impact on his return.

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

Yep.

To be fair MLG jizzes in his pants at quite a lot of things. Absolutely correct in what you say here. NC does not have relegation back to the Champs league factored into his plans. For a start, it isn't an easy league to get out of as we found out last time we were relegated there. People seem to assume that it will be easy to bounce straight back, well it won't be. It's probably easier to stay in the Prem in many ways.

[Dalek2003]

OK.

 

If Cortese was serious about going fo a top half position this season, why didn't he spend more money on the defence and goalkeeper ?

I reckon he is taking a gamble on staying up with a relegation then promotion plan very much the second option if needed.

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

OK.

 

If Cortese was serious about going fo a top half position this season, why didn't he spend more money on the defence and goalkeeper ?

I reckon he is taking a gamble on staying up with a relegation then promotion plan very much the second option if needed.

 

Makes no sense whatsoever.