Saint Fan CaM Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 I've seen plenty of guys get promoted into team leader, supervisory or management roles because they've stuck around for a long time - been good servants. In many cases, those appointments have been wrong ones because despite their competency in their role, either they're not cut-out to be leaders (when the going gets tough), or they've not been given the right level of training and development support. One thing is for sure, when backs are against walls, you need a strong Captain. Is Adam the right material to be team Captain? I note from some reports of the Arse game that he had a bad game - is it coincidence that things went from bad to worse? When I hear him talk, while I love his devotion to Saints, he doesn't strike me as particularly motivational. Don't get me wrong - I am not blaming Adam for anything...more so, I wonder whether his appointment is an example of a poor decision at managerial level. Did anyone actually honestly think Adam would be given the Captaincy? When we think back to our most successful periods in the past, who were the Captains in the team at the time and did they all have similar traits and personalities? Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Up until the Arsenal game, he had been playing some of the best football I'd ever seen him play. As with everything else football related, it takes longer than four games to effectively judge what effect the captaincy has had on his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Expectant father syndrome possibly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 17 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Up until the Arsenal game, he had been playing some of the best football I'd ever seen him play. As with everything else football related, it takes longer than four games to effectively judge what effect the captaincy has had on his game. That's kind of the point I was trying to make though - does being a good player (which Adam clearly is) make a good Captain? I'm less interested in what the Captaincy has done to him as such - more about what HE has done or is doing to influence the role of Captain and ultimately his team mates. For those who went to the Arse game - how did Adam react? Head down or did he get into his team-mates for example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Davies please. And I don't mean Kelvin. I can't help but think we're putting Lallana in as Captain to keep him. Well we need to stay in the Premier League and we have a winning Rangers Captain in the ranks. Doesnt make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob40 Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Davies is struggling to adjust from pub league to premiership and I am not convinced he is up to it . He wasn't previously before he moved to Rangers so why now after a few years of mediocrity? Squad player for me at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 17 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Davies please. And I don't mean Kelvin. I can't help but think we're putting Lallana in as Captain to keep him. Well we need to stay in the Premier League and we have a winning Rangers Captain in the ranks. Doesnt make sense. I'm not sure Davies is the right man - and anyway, too early for him to come into the club and immediately take the armband, even with Hammond out of the way. When I think on this more, I'm not sure we have anyone with the right credentials to lead the team. JWP might be one for the future perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersubpuckett Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Can't judge the guy on the arsenal game, just a bad day at he office for everyone - an arsenal fan mate went to the game and said we just didn't turn up in the first half but were much much better in the second. Hvaing said all that I think it's too much pressure on him, he needs to be allowed to develop his game in the prem before taking on captaincy. As well as defenders, we should have signed an experienced midfield general and made him captain - the club is in danger of believing it's own hype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Davies please. And I don't mean Kelvin. I can't help but think we're putting Lallana in as Captain to keep him. Well we need to stay in the Premier League and we have a winning Rangers Captain in the ranks. Doesnt make sense. Agree entirely. Lallana is not captain material. If anything, the team seems to be playing in his image (on a bad day) - tippy tappy, not a lot of grit and application, precisely what you need when you play, frankly, any Prem game. We have to stop thinking that just being here is enough, or indeed reading how other fans like our style of play, if we can be torn apart at will in defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Lallana the right man for me. Saints through and through, is tenacious and leads by example with work rate and performance. If not him then for me it would be Morgan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanimal Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 AL is not and never will be a captain - think Alan Ball! Either Cork or Schneiderlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_lambden Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Who the captain is really isn't our issue right now. Adkins works with Adam everyday so he must have been pretty sure that he was ready. It probably doesn't help that Adam is the 4th captain we've had in the space of the past 2 years but he's a regular in the side, works as hard as any other player and knows the values of the club blah blah... Would be handy if he could play in defence right now, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Give it to Fox, he's not doing anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Funny how this kind of think is debated after a heavy defeat - think ksot people were pleased with the choice when it was announced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 few people come on here and doubt Adam's ability or his devotion to Saints. At present, he is the longest-serving player on the books (joined aged 12)...and has played the most Saints games for an outfield player in the present squad (c.170 games) on that count alone he qualifies. The captain's job is not just about experience, but also he is " the manager's rep. on the field ", or should be, and someone who commands the respect of the players and the confidence of the fans. All responsibility is stressful, and he can't be blamed if - as an imminent expectant father - he doesn't shine in every game, but also what did he think of his team-mates when they went in 1-4 down at HT? I have watched dozens of Saints captains over the past 50 years...some take to the role fairly easily, whilst others never quite adjust. I can recall the 60's captain Tony Knapp who rarely seemed to raise his voice, yet was a commanding figure on the field and a good strategist off it. On the other hand, Jason Dodd's voice ..could be heard in the Dell car park - even in a match with a capacity crowd. How you encourage and handle players isn't about how loud you speak to them, but how you speak to them - when you do. I think - in time - Adam will become a great captain.. YES, he still has a lot to learn, but you don't meet too many complete beings who are barely 24 y.o. Give him time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 AL is not and never will be a captain - think Alan Ball! Either Cork or Schneiderlin. good example of a good captain...BUT he came to us aged about 30 .....with 76 England caps under his belt...hardly a good comparison - is it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Ah, Jason Dodd. What I'd give to have someone like him at RB now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Give it to Fox, he's not doing anything else. actually lol'd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 I thought this was a strange appointment when it was announced. NA said it was because he had shown loyalty to Saints over many years and was a very good player. Whilst I agree with those sentiments, not the best reasons for appointing AL captain methinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellgirl Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 I think it was an insane appointment, he needs to up his own game,which has not seen improvement in many a long month,a new father and not a great example on the field with his falling over ability and not being able to finish,has never managed the simple option which is usually the effective one, Come on Adam prove me wrong please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Cliff Huxford, not the best player but really gritty, awsome presence, picked up the team by the scruff of the neck, what we need now. We haven't had a decent captain for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Cork or Morgan for me. You want someone who is both centrally located and dictates play IMO. It should be someone who has the discipline to organise a defence and the vision to then launch an attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 give it to yoshida, maybe after a few games tho cork always ends up as my club captain in fm12 tho has lallana officially been announced as club captain btw? cork hasn't played yet, so who knows.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 17 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 17 September, 2012 give it to yoshida, maybe after a few games tho cork always ends up as my club captain in fm12 tho has lallana officially been announced as club captain btw? cork hasn't played yet, so who knows.... No, not club captain, but he has been announced as team captain. I'm not sure what the difference is TBH, but there appears to be a difference as KD has been club captain ever since the team captaincy was given to Hammond. Always thought that was a bit of a fop to keep Kelv happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Steve Davis for me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latheal Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Give it to Fox, he's not doing anything else. Made me laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 No, not club captain, but he has been announced as team captain. I'm not sure what the difference is TBH, but there appears to be a difference as KD has been club captain ever since the team captaincy was given to Hammond. Always thought that was a bit of a fop to keep Kelv happy. it's coz Adkins wants an outfield captain, I'm sure Davis is NA's right hand man in the dressing room. Maybe he is a bigger influence day to day at the club, but stuck in goal he can't make quick decisions, shout. etc. wot does a football captain do apart from lead the team out and lead by example though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southamptonfclegend Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Everyone who is commenting about Cork, he is yet to play.. so surely it could be him when played and Lallana up until this point? just an idea.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughing now Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 At the time it was announced I thought it was because Adam was the only player likely to be on the team sheet for the whole season! At that time the defence was either under question (more signings mooted) or unproven, in midfield and attack there is competition for places plus a likelihood of tactical team rotation. Morgan was the only other likely candidate under this criteria. Still think Adam is a good choice though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouchie Crouchie Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 We need 11 captains on the pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 18 September, 2012 Share Posted 18 September, 2012 I thought Steve Davis would be a shoe in. Pleased for Adz but don't see him as captain material tbh. Let's hope he grows into the role but not a natural leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 18 September, 2012 Share Posted 18 September, 2012 In football the captain chooses head or tails and which end they will be etc. its little more than that. To think he needs to be loud and motivational is nonsense, you will have other players that fill that role anyway, and in the changing room surely the manager is the key speaker? I dont think it make any odds as to who is captain, though i personally would have made SRL captain over AL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 18 September, 2012 Share Posted 18 September, 2012 I presume Adam is team captain, so who holds the Club captain post. Definitely don't think the added pressure of captain does anything to Adam's playing ability. Maybe a distraction from the stress of his missus giving birth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 18 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 18 September, 2012 I presume Adam is team captain, so who holds the Club captain post. Definitely don't think the added pressure of captain does anything to Adam's playing ability. Maybe a distraction from the stress of his missus giving birth. As I posted above Art, I believe Kelvin D is still club captain. Agree that Adam probably could do without the added stress right now, but hey who knows...perhaps he's a completely different personality in the dressing room to the one we see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 18 September, 2012 Share Posted 18 September, 2012 In football the captain chooses head or tails and which end they will be etc. its little more than that. To think he needs to be loud and motivational is nonsense, you will have other players that fill that role anyway, and in the changing room surely the manager is the key speaker? I dont think it make any odds as to who is captain, though i personally would have made SRL captain over AL. Did you never see some of Roy Keane's performances for Man U when he almost single handedly won them games? Remember that Juventus game? Would you have played better under him than a captain who merely turns up for the coin toss? I think you would. In fact, he was the perfect example of having the manager's right hand man on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 18 September, 2012 Share Posted 18 September, 2012 Did you never see some of Roy Keane's performances for Man U when he almost single handedly won them games? Remember that Juventus game? Would you have played better under him than a captain who merely turns up for the coin toss? I think you would. In fact' date=' he was the perfect example of having the manager's right hand man on the pitch.[/quote'] I dont think you can compare Roy Keane to Adam Lallana, we dont have anyone at the club with the calibre of Keane, if we did, yeah, he would be captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefoggy Posted 18 September, 2012 Share Posted 18 September, 2012 Give it to Fox, he's not doing anything else. Very true!! its like playing with 10 men every week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK the 2nd Posted 18 September, 2012 Share Posted 18 September, 2012 Not sure it's that important. Its not like cricket where the captain needs to work out strategy and tactics and make decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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