What did Norwich and Swansea do that we aren't?

[PokingFun]

Actually Swansea had 2 of the top teams in the first 4 (started against Citeh like us) and had Chelsea in 6th game, so their start was none too shabby either. Note that Norwich are yet to win this season. Interesting to look at the PL table, there are still 8 teams including us yet to win this season (OK, I know Stoke have yet to lose either) but that is a very high proportion of teams without a win after 4 rounds of matches.

 

They also got completely battered by Man C and Chelsea and conceded 3 versus Norwich and 4 versus Blackburn within 14 games or so. First 4 games they didnt score a goal but picked up 0-0 home draws with Wigan and Sunderland. All is definitely not lost and there is no real need to push the panic button just yet. For what its worth they had 14 points after 14 games so it does suggest that like us they had some issues initially finding their feet in the premier league.

[Ivan Oar]

I think I can safely say that there will be a number of clubs this season who will ALL lose at the Emirates and Etihad and lose to Man utd at home.

 

Not worried.....(yet)

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I can't say that I'm that impressed with your rag bag collection of mercenaries, most of whom I'd not heard of until you signed them. It's also debateable whether all of that list of players would have gone straight into our first team lie-up. Some of them, maybe.

 

It remains to be seen whether all of these foreign players manage to adapt to English top flight football. Time will tell, but it is far too early to make a sensible judgment on your players, as it is for you to make the same judgment about ours.

 

Sorry to say this, but he is right. That group of players is far better than what we have, and personally I would have put nearly all of them in the starting lineup ahead of what we currently have. Only one I wouldn't is actually Park.

 

Cesar

 

Bosingwa Nelson Jos Fabio

 

Lallana Mbia Granero

 

Hoillett Lambert Ramirez

[Turkish]

Sorry to say this, but he is right. That group of players is far better than what we have, and personally I would have put nearly all of them in the starting lineup ahead of what we currently have. Only one I wouldn't is actually Park.

 

Cesar

 

Bosingwa Nelson Jos Fabio

 

Lallana Mbia Granero

 

Hoillett Lambert Ramirez

 

Quite. Probably the team i'd pick as well out of the best of XI. Hilarious comment about Les not having heard of most of QPRs players until they joined. Im sure he knows all there was to know about Ramirez, Yoshida, Mayaka, Gazzaniga & Hooliveld. As for time will tell if their foreign players adjust, weren't 3 of our 4 biggest signings on the window foreigns who will also need to adapt? But then what else can we expect from a self titled intelligent poster though?

[Baird of the land]

They had good keepers and solid defences, which unfortunetely we don't have. Only hope is that we can score enough goals to still be in mix in january. Then we can buy at least a better keeper and a left back who can defend.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Quite. Probably the team i'd pick as well out of the best of XI. Hilarious comment about Les not having heard of most of QPRs players until they joined. Im sure he knows all there was to know about Ramirez, Yoshida, Mayaka, Gazzaniga & Hooliveld. As for time will tell if their foreign players adjust, weren't 3 of our 4 biggest signings on the window foreigns who will also need to adapt? But then what else can we expect from a self titled intelligent poster though?

 

Well indeed.

 

That is a pretty awesome team by the way...shame QPR have very little up front or they could push for a Europa League place.

[Big Ron fan]

Swansea had a PL team already and Norwich strengthened the areas they need too. Saints bought in the areas that were good enough but not well enough in the 3 weakest positions.

 

Saints also wasted money on 2 big money signings when theyd have been better off signing 6 to 8 players for lower fees or even on frees/loan. Whoever is making the transfer decisions has cocked it up big time.

 

First call I've seen for a return to the Rupert Lowe strategy of quantity not quality!!

 

My view was always that the two most important positions to fill were keeper and left-back; we're really paying the price for not doing so.

[Wes Tender]

Sorry to say this, but he is right. That group of players is far better than what we have, and personally I would have put nearly all of them in the starting lineup ahead of what we currently have. Only one I wouldn't is actually Park.

 

Cesar

 

Bosingwa Nelson Jos Fabio

 

Lallana Mbia Granero

 

Hoillett Lambert Ramirez

 

There appears to be a lack of comprehension here. Did I not say that it was debateable whether all of that list of players would have gone into our first team line-up?

 

And then you pick the best team in your opinion comprising 4 of our players. Personally I'd also prefer Schneiderlin and Cork to feature too. So is Flyer right that all of their players would constitute our starting 11, or not?

 

Dorkish:-Quite. Probably the team i'd pick as well out of the best of XI. Hilarious comment about Les not having heard of most of QPRs players until they joined. Im sure he knows all there was to know about Ramirez, Yoshida, Mayaka, Gazzaniga & Hooliveld. As for time will tell if their foreign players adjust, weren't 3 of our 4 biggest signings on the window foreigns who will also need to adapt? But then what else can we expect from a self titled intelligent poster though?

 

Whereas it's a shame that people have to quote Dorkish so I have to see his inane drivel, he also shows a complete lack of comprehension too.

 

Wes Tender:-

It remains to be seen whether all of these foreign players manage to adapt to English top flight football. Time will tell, but it is far too early to make a sensible judgment on your players, as it is for you to make the same judgment about ours.

 

Which bit from my quote did you not understand, Dorkish? I pointed out quite clearly that it was too early not only for their foreign players to be assessed, but also ours. The point being really, so you understand it, is that Flyer cannot justifiably state that their foreign imports are better than ours necessarily. Therefore, if you can make the leap of imagination required, it is not a given that all of their players would make it into our first 11 until they have proved that they can play well in the Premier League.

 

By the way, Dorkish, I am not a self-titled intelligent poster. I might have often said in debates that the more intelligent / reasonable / posters would take a certain position on things, see how things developed before making knee-jerk reactions, etc. I let others assess whether my posts fall into that category and only pay heed to the opinions of those that I respect. It is no surprise that because you are on ignore, that doesn't include you. Sorry.

[Turkish]

Back tracking nicely Les. Good work.

[Flyer]

Quite. Probably the team i'd pick as well out of the best of XI. Hilarious comment about Les not having heard of most of QPRs players until they joined. Im sure he knows all there was to know about Ramirez, Yoshida, Mayaka, Gazzaniga & Hooliveld. As for time will tell if their foreign players adjust, weren't 3 of our 4 biggest signings on the window foreigns who will also need to adapt? But then what else can we expect from a self titled intelligent poster though?

Only 3 of the guys havent come from English football. Granero, Cesar and Mbia who have all come from CL teams.

 

Saints buys to me like theyve come from a side who expects to be mid table and just needs to add a bit of quality. However I think most people here thought it would be a relegation struggle and a lot more strengthening was needed in more important areas.

I dont know why but my hunch is that Adkins isnt in total control of transfers so hes been hamstrung by someone above him, it was a bit like QPR last season. Warnock wasnt trusted with the money in the January window. Maybe Saints plan is to hope to stay in touch and get a new manager for the January window and get the major buys in then.

[Thedelldays]

You think Hughes is in control of your transfers?

[shurlock]

Only 3 of the guys havent come from English football. Granero, Cesar and Mbia who have all come from CL teams.

 

Saints buys to me like theyve come from a side who expects to be mid table and just needs to add a bit of quality. However I think most people here thought it would be a relegation struggle and a lot more strengthening was needed in more important areas.

I dont know why but my hunch is that Adkins isnt in total control of transfers so hes been hamstrung by someone above him, it was a bit like QPR last season. Warnock wasnt trusted with the money in the January window. Maybe Saints plan is to hope to stay in touch and get a new manager for the January window and get the major buys in then.

 

Your buys look like they've come from a chairman who has ADD and wishes it was christmas morning everyday of the year.

[Turkish]

Only 3 of the guys havent come from English football. Granero, Cesar and Mbia who have all come from CL teams.

 

Saints buys to me like theyve come from a side who expects to be mid table and just needs to add a bit of quality. However I think most people here thought it would be a relegation struggle and a lot more strengthening was needed in more important areas.

I dont know why but my hunch is that Adkins isnt in total control of transfers so hes been hamstrung by someone above him, it was a bit like QPR last season. Warnock wasnt trusted with the money in the January window. Maybe Saints plan is to hope to stay in touch and get a new manager for the January window and get the major buys in then.

 

So this fair to say Les was talking uninformed bo*llocks as usual then?

[Bearsy]

Ain't it that only 3 of our guys haven't come from English football too?

 

What's the argument bout there. I think I need notes!

[Flyer]

You think Hughes is in control of your transfers?

 

He is 100%. He has complete control over everything to do with the playing side, building the academy, backroom staff, scouting. Fernandes is no Briatore, he even gave Warnock total control which was daft to say the least.

 

I saw Briatore interfere a lot when he was at QPR and for some reason I think your chairman is doing the same thing with transfers as they dont make sense.

[Thedelldays]

He is 100%. He has complete control over everything to do with the playing side, building the academy, backroom staff, scouting. Fernandes is no Briatore, he even gave Warnock total control which was daft to say the least.

 

I saw Briatore interfere a lot when he was at QPR and for some reason I think your chairman is doing the same thing with transfers as they dont make sense.

 

Hughes had control with signing Greene and Cesar...... And the countless others

 

 

Don't mKe me laugh lol

[Wes Tender]

He is 100%. He has complete control over everything to do with the playing side, building the academy, backroom staff, scouting. Fernandes is no Briatore, he even gave Warnock total control which was daft to say the least.

 

I saw Briatore interfere a lot when he was at QPR and for some reason I think your chairman is doing the same thing with transfers as they dont make sense.

 

Your comment is based totally on speculation anyway, but because you don't understand our transfers, it must be the chairman that is involved in them, have I understood that correctly?

 

Mind you, it could be that they don't make sense to you because it isn't your club and you aren't aware of what our requirements are, or indeed what our future strategy is. But speculating that we haven't brought in all the players that we needed because our strategy is to replace the manager and allow the new manager to make the signings in January is about as bizarre as it could be.

 

We made several signings, but for one reason or another were unable to sign a couple of defensive players like Buttner. That situation will be resolved by either making do with what we have, which is a gamble, or by signing somebody on loan or out of contract.

 

When you say that many on here thought that we would have a relegation struggle and needed to spend more to strengthen in more important areas, neither they nor you know that that wasn't attempted. The situation will be addressed fairly soon, I'm sure. It ought to be pointed out that there are always doom merchants on any forum and they tend to shout loudest. You only have to look at all the threads that shoot up when we have failed to beat the divisions top teams and who as a result have already made up their minds after just four matches that we are going to go down.

[melmacian_saint]

 

I saw Briatore interfere a lot when he was at QPR and for some reason I think your chairman is doing the same thing with transfers as they dont make sense.

 

You mean like your chairman?

[Saint Garrett]

He is 100%. He has complete control over everything to do with the playing side, building the academy, backroom staff, scouting. Fernandes is no Briatore, he even gave Warnock total control which was daft to say the least.

I saw Briatore interfere a lot when he was at QPR and for some reason I think your chairman is doing the same thing with transfers as they dont make sense.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA What have you been smoking? Wake up !!!!!!!!!

[tajjuk]

QPR got 11 players including some world class ones in Granero and Cesar for less than the cost of Ramirez and Rodriguez. Diakite (3m), Cesar(0), Mbia (3m), Nelsen (0), Fabio(L), Granero(5m), Boswinga(0), Hoillett(~4m) and Park(2m) would all have gone straight into the Saints 1st 11, only Johnson(0) would have not. I left out Green because obviously you cant play 2 goalies and having 2 capable goalies is never a bad idea. Saints would have been much stronger going that way by replacing your worst 5 players with better ones.

 

 

 

If your budget was £20m then it was a right cock up. If your budget was more then not signing a 1st choice goalie and defenders was the cock up.

 

 

Biggest rag tag collection of also rans, has beens and maybes. The transfer fees also don't indicate anything about the wages.

 

Granero is not 'world class', he's Real Madrid's version of Darren Gibson, he is only rated purely because he played for Real Madrid.

 

Cesar was maybe 'world class' 3 years ago, clubs like Inter Milan don't let world class players go for free.

 

Diakite is a 'who', 41 career games in total for Nancy, a few for you and a handful of international appearances.

 

Nelsen is an old 'has been', he had a good season a few years ago and is now 34.

 

Same pretty much goes for Bosingwa, he has been on the decline for ages, hence his release by Chelsea.

 

Hoillet is a good signing, so is Mbia for the price, Park I would say is an unknown, again he is getting on especially for a player who relies on workrate and mobility, Ferguson is usually pretty shrewd about letting players go.

 

Your signings bar maybe Hoillet are short term panic buys, ours whilst don't cover every position are for the long term.

[tpbury]

We're going to lose every game and get relegated. Dont answer this post coz i will be dead!

[shurlock]

Biggest rag tag collection of also rans, has beens and maybes. The transfer fees also don't indicate anything about the wages.

 

Granero is not 'world class', he's Real Madrid's version of Darren Gibson, he is only rated purely because he played for Real Madrid.

 

Cesar was maybe 'world class' 3 years ago, clubs like Inter Milan don't let world class players go for free.

 

Diakite is a 'who', 41 career games in total for Nancy, a few for you and a handful of international appearances.

 

Nelsen is an old 'has been', he had a good season a few years ago and is now 34.

 

Same pretty much goes for Bosingwa, he has been on the decline for ages, hence his release by Chelsea.

 

Hoillet is a good signing, so is Mbia for the price, Park I would say is an unknown, again he is getting on especially for a player who relies on workrate and mobility, Ferguson is usually pretty shrewd about letting players go.

 

Your signings bar maybe Hoillet are short term panic buys, ours whilst don't cover every position are for the long term.

 

You forgot goal-scoring machine Andy Johnson. You know he's already in next season's plans -who says QPR dont think long-term

[sotonian]

4 wins out of our next 8 games which is not unrealistic would give us 12 points from 12 games, which is on target for staying up, it's far to early to panic

[The9]

More interesting than Swansea or Norwich to me is WHU this season, total gash hoofball merchants last season, yet so far doing well and not looking out of place in the PL at all. Ok they've had any easier start than us but they're getting points on the board and looking comfortable against the sort of teams we need to pick up points from.

 

That's because half of the Prem plays "gash hoofball" disguised as rapidly turning defence into attack via one pass. They also have a team bought to play to their strengths. Newcastle finished top 6 doing that long ball thing last season, supported by some good quality midfielders who could mix in shots from distance.

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

More interesting than Swansea or Norwich to me is WHU this season, total gash hoofball merchants last season, yet so far doing well and not looking out of place in the PL at all. Ok they've had any easier start than us but they're getting points on the board and looking comfortable against the sort of teams we need to pick up points from.

TBF they looked total gash against Swansea, but I agree - 2 home wins out of two is a great start for them.

[eelpie]

This season Swansea have players like Nathan Dyer in fine form. Such a pity we can't produce players of this quality.

 

ohh.....

 

I've just remembered we did have a youngster with the same name who nearly everyone said was rubbish. Surely it can't be the same person?

[The9]

This season Swansea have players like Nathan Dyer in fine form. Such a pity we can't produce players of this quality.

 

ohh.....

 

I've just remembered we did have a youngster with the same name who nearly everyone said was rubbish. Surely it can't be the same person?

 

How many times has he stood on the ball in the 6 yard box for Swansea ?

[hypochondriac]

How many times has he stood on the ball in the 6 yard box for Swansea ?

 

Or run into players at every opportunity.

[doddisalegend]

Or run into players at every opportunity.

 

or nicked money from some poor working Cardiff girl.......