Kelvin Davis

[The Kraken]

ive seen some nonsense on here but this post is in the top 2.

KD has been voted the top keeper by his piers for the last 2 seasons, it is sad tha5t such a great loyal servant is being treated with so little respect by 'fans'

 

I think you're confusing respect for sentimentality. Davis has been a good keeper for the past 2 or 3 seasons. He's had his faults which we knew about but overall in the lower leagues his strengths outweighed them. At this level, where the slightest mistakes get punished by a goal, that is no longer the case.

 

Dean Hammond and Billy Sharp were also brilliant for us at a lower level. The manager realised they would not be good enough in this division, replaced them and moved them on. I think it was also his intention to do this with Kelvin, but for some reason it didn't materialise.

[Aura]

Course it is. Any manager with any balls would play an inexperienced 20 year who has never played above lg2. Nothing to do with Gazzaniga being ready. Right?

 

Throw him in the deep end see if he can sink or swim no point just going with KD till jan if he keeps this form up.

[Aura]

ive seen some nonsense on here but this post is in the top 2.

KD has been voted the top keeper by his piers for the last 2 seasons, it is sad tha5t such a great loyal servant is being treated with so little respect by 'fans'

 

Good for him i didnt know being a loyal servant meant we can't voice our frustrations with him.

[Lets B Avenue]

KD has been voted the top keeper by his piers for the last 2 seasons

 

Which ones? Hastings? Swanage? Brighton Palace? Surely not Morgan?

[Hatch]

I'm not sure that Gazza is the answer either.

 

Watching him warm up on Saturday, it looked like he had one of those little rat tail haircuts.

And anyone with one of those can't be right in the head, so I until he sorts his hair out, he can stay on the bench.

[david in sweden]

Just been looking at some stats on his last outing in the prem for Sunderland 2005/06 and he played 33 games conceded 52 goals and kept 3 clean sheets

As a comparison -

Man city 2 - 1 Sunderland

Sunderland 0 - 1 Wigan

Sunderland 1 - 3 man utd

Arsenal 3 - 1 Sunderland (Davis didn't play)

 

At the moment he has conceded 14 goals in 4 games.

Obviously all of the goals conceded for us and Sunderland are not all his fault.

 

 

I'm glad you added that line at the end....better to say ...our defence has let in 14 goals this season.

 

After Saturday, we can add TWO own goals to the stats, but my old axiom has always been a goalie is only as good as the defence in front of him...and they have all been wanting so far this season.....

NOTE; when we signed Peter Shilton (somebody dare to tell me HE wasn't top class either)....in August 1982, we conceded 18 goals in his first 7 games, and we managed only 3 clean sheets in the first 16 games. ! (and they weren't all his fault either.)

 

I wouldn't class Kelvin Davis as a good Prem. goalie, but there must be a lot worse, but who play behind a good defence.

I'm waiting to make a note of all the teams who put two goals past MU and City this season..I think it will be a very short list.

 

My real complaint is not about KD performances, but the fact that we didn't buy in experienced cover / a challenger... in the summer.

Edited 17 September, 2012 by david in sweden

[DJ_TOAST]

I'm not sure that Gazza is the answer either.

 

Watching him warm up on Saturday, it looked like he had one of those little rat tail haircuts.

And anyone with one of those can't be right in the head, so I until he sorts his hair out, he can stay on the bench.

 

haha it's funny cause it's true.

[itchen_dan]

Please please please....

 

alex_crook: Hearing #saintsfc back in for former Sunderland keeper Craig Gordon. NA hinted last week he might bring in some free agents.

[Saint Charlie]

Please please please....

 

alex_crook: Hearing #saintsfc back in for former Sunderland keeper Craig Gordon. NA hinted last week he might bring in some free agents.

 

Would make sense, KD has had 5 years with no real competition for a first team spot. Gordon must be getting fairly desparate so surely his wages wouldnt be out of control.

 

He is a quality keeper, only concerns are his fitness as he had a lot of injuries at Sunderland.

[surrey1saint]

Would make sense, KD has had 5 years with no real competition for a first team spot. Gordon must be getting fairly desparate so surely his wages wouldnt be out of control.

 

He is a quality keeper, only concerns are his fitness as he had a lot of injuries at Sunderland.

I would bring him in,limited contract if he is an injury worry,pay as u play?

[buctootim]

When he said in June he didnt want to be rushed I guess he wasnt kidding.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2157672/Craig-Gordon-wont-rushed-move.html

[saint1977]

I feel a bit sorry for Kelvin actually. He had a stinker Saturday and yes he shouldn't start v Villa, anyone can see that but I honestly don't think he has done a lot wrong in the other 3 games. Part of the problem is that there is a lack of leadership in the defence generally and has Kelvin been vocal enough in demanding the right standards of professionalism and keeping the shape? There are only a handful of people that will know the answer to that but bringing in some more PL experience in the shape of Gordon seems obvious. I still think Kelvin is a bit of a scapegoat for the lack of leadership and organisation and Gordon or Gazzinga won't resolve that overnight. I still think someone Keown, or someone in that mould, needs to come in and help Nigel out, this league is more complex and judging by Saturday's wet toilet paper midfield, Nigel needs to spend the time there. Keown is articulate but not to be crossed and opponents knew that they weren't get any free gifts from him, even when he approached 40 at Arsenal. Just ask RVN. If he could be brought in and instil a more robust mindset, we might begin to turn this around.

[Cabrone]

I'm glad you added that line at the end....better to say ...our defence has let in 14 goals this season.

 

After Saturday, we can add TWO own goals to the stats, but my old axiom has always been a goalie is only as good as the defence in front of him...and they have all been wanting so far this season.....

NOTE; when we signed Peter Shilton (somebody dare to tell me HE wasn't top class either)....in August 1982, we conceded 18 goals in his first 7 games, and we managed only 3 clean sheets in the first 16 games. ! (and they weren't all his fault either.)

 

I wouldn't class Kelvin Davis as a good Prem. goalie, but there must be a lot worse, but who play behind a good defence.

I'm waiting to make a note of all the teams who put two goals past MU and City this season..I think it will be a very short list.

 

My real complaint is not about KD performances, but the fact that we didn't buy in experienced cover / a challenger... in the summer.

 

You are right, a lot of it is to do with the back 4 + KD is not a bad keeper and the fact he stayed with us in our darkest hour earns him massive kudos BUT GK is such a unique and pivotal position we really should have made it our top priority to get someone as good as possible between the sticks. KD would have been a brilliant backup option.

 

A good GK can turn 1-0 defeats into draws, draws into victories and keep the goal diff down, something which may be crucial come May.

 

He also can have a calming effect on the defence. I'm not saying our back 4 would be world class or anything silly but if we had bought someone of the calibre of Niemi the defence would probably be more relaxed now and maybe make less silly mistakes. Confidence would be given a chance to grow.

 

I really do find it strange that we spent so much on attack and so little on defence.

 

Defence is what will keep us in this league IMO.

[The Kraken]

I feel a bit sorry for Kelvin actually. He had a stinker Saturday and yes he shouldn't start v Villa, anyone can see that but I honestly don't think he has done a lot wrong in the other 3 games.

 

Against Man City; caught out at his near post for the Tevez goal. Distribution generally fairly average.

 

Against Wigan; debatable, but for the second goal he was entirely static and again beaten at the near post.

 

Against Man United; absolutely appalling distribution, we could very easily have conceded when his passes to Fox and Clyne were easily intercepted, how we didn't concede at least one goal is still a mystery. The first goal, perhaps harsh, but RVP's shot struck Kelvin's leg, had he moved it just a few centimetres he would have saved that shot off his knee. And I'm not convinced he couldn't have done more for the second goal, at least from Ferdinand's header where Davis looked painfully slow to react and get over to it.

 

So no, sorry, I think the writing has been on the wall since the very first game.

[Saint Charlie]

Against Man City; caught out at his near post for the Tevez goal. Distribution generally fairly average.

 

Against Wigan; debatable, but for the second goal he was entirely static and again beaten at the near post.

 

Against Man United; absolutely appalling distribution, we could very easily have conceded when his passes to Fox and Clyne were easily intercepted, how we didn't concede at least one goal is still a mystery. The first goal, perhaps harsh, but RVP's shot struck Kelvin's leg, had he moved it just a few centimetres he would have saved that shot off his knee. And I'm not convinced he couldn't have done more for the second goal, at least from Ferdinand's header where Davis looked painfully slow to react and get over to it.

 

So no, sorry, I think the writing has been on the wall since the very first game.

 

Sadly this. He is a clear weakness right now.

[mitch01]

Against Man City; caught out at his near post for the Tevez goal. Distribution generally fairly average.

 

Against Wigan; debatable, but for the second goal he was entirely static and again beaten at the near post.

 

Against Man United; absolutely appalling distribution, we could very easily have conceded when his passes to Fox and Clyne were easily intercepted, how we didn't concede at least one goal is still a mystery. The first goal, perhaps harsh, but RVP's shot struck Kelvin's leg, had he moved it just a few centimetres he would have saved that shot off his knee. And I'm not convinced he couldn't have done more for the second goal, at least from Ferdinand's header where Davis looked painfully slow to react and get over to it.

 

So no, sorry, I think the writing has been on the wall since the very first game.

 

I agree in principle that Davis is going to cost us at this level, but some of those criticisms are very harsh. Nothing he could do vs Wigan or Man Utd for the goals (although he did give the ball away in shocking positions vs Man U). I love the bloke, he stuck with us in the bad times and has made an enormous contribution since the takeover, but he is not a Premier League keeper. He is not a big guy and this compounds his problems; often he simply doesn't have the reach to get to shots that all other Premiership keepers would. I could see it coming a mile off and it really does surprise me that Adkins didn't really act to replace him this summer. Massive fans of Nigel's but his blind spot where Kelvin is concerned is alarming, especially since he was a keeper himself.

[The Kraken]

I agree in principle that Davis is going to cost us at this level, but some of those criticisms are very harsh. Nothing he could do vs Wigan or Man Utd for the goals (although he did give the ball away in shocking positions vs Man U). I love the bloke, he stuck with us in the bad times and has made an enormous contribution since the takeover, but he is not a Premier League keeper. He is not a big guy and this compounds his problems; often he simply doesn't have the reach to get to shots that all other Premiership keepers would. I could see it coming a mile off and it really does surprise me that Adkins didn't really act to replace him this summer. Massive fans of Nigel's but his blind spot where Kelvin is concerned is alarming, especially since he was a keeper himself.

 

You see, I don't agree there was nothing he could do about the goals he's conceded. As I said against RVP's first goal, the ball struck his leg; the tiniest of moves of his knee and he would have saved that shot. These are the fractions that count at the top level; a top keeper could have saved that shot. Similarly for the Tevez and Gervinho goals in particular, I don't think a top keeper would have been beaten at the near post like that.

 

More than anything I also believe is his inability to command his area, which puts an extra reliance on an already stretched defence. Time and again whenever the ball comes into the box you'll see Kelvin rooted to his line and shouting "away". He very, very rarely comes and punches away, which is now a huge part of the game for a keeper. We've mentioned his distribution already, which is really poor.

 

So in short he falls down in every department as a top draw goalkeeper, unfortunately. I think he'd be a decent enough understudy at this level, but I look with envy at West Ham who signed an ageing Jussi Jaaskelainen. I said at the time it was a great signing and it was an opinion generally derided on here; 3 clean sheets out of 4, and he has the highest saves ratio in the entire division. I don't know how long we can go on ignoring the problem and hoping that a vital cog of our team just suddenly improves and cuts out the littany of errors currently seen in his game.

[mitch01]

Didn't realise Artur Boruc was out of contract. He is a fantastic goalkeeper, although his temperament is questionable.

[Window Cleaner]

You see, I don't agree there was nothing he could do about the goals he's conceded. As I said against RVP's first goal, the ball struck his leg; the tiniest of moves of his knee and he would have saved that shot. These are the fractions that count at the top level; a top keeper could have saved that shot. Similarly for the Tevez and Gervinho goals in particular, I don't think a top keeper would have been beaten at the near post like that.

 

More than anything I also believe is his inability to command his area, which puts an extra reliance on an already stretched defence. Time and again whenever the ball comes into the box you'll see Kelvin rooted to his line and shouting "away". He very, very rarely comes and punches away, which is now a huge part of the game for a keeper. We've mentioned his distribution already, which is really poor.

 

So in short he falls down in every department as a top draw goalkeeper, unfortunately. I think he'd be a decent enough understudy at this level, but I look with envy at West Ham who signed an ageing Jussi Jaaskelainen. I said at the time it was a great signing and it was an opinion generally derided on here; 3 clean sheets out of 4, and he has the highest saves ratio in the entire division. I don't know how long we can go on ignoring the problem and hoping that a vital cog of our team just suddenly improves and cuts out the littany of errors currently seen in his game.

 

I agree here.

Even last season KD had a glaring weakness low down on his right hand side, between him and the near post. Any decent striker would put the ball there and have an excellent chance of either a direct score or a knock out in front of him.KD was also spilling shots like a tyro league novice. Keeping on KD as Number 1 for this season was a crass,crass error.

[Turkish]

Lets hear from those fans that were calling for 'Davis for England' only 3 months ago. Give us your view here http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/kelvinDavis

 

Do you agree with this or do you think he is still the man to be the first choice glovesman for our national side?

[tajjuk]

You see, I don't agree there was nothing he could do about the goals he's conceded. As I said against RVP's first goal, the ball struck his leg; the tiniest of moves of his knee and he would have saved that shot. These are the fractions that count at the top level; a top keeper could have saved that shot. Similarly for the Tevez and Gervinho goals in particular, I don't think a top keeper would have been beaten at the near post like that.

 

More than anything I also believe is his inability to command his area, which puts an extra reliance on an already stretched defence. Time and again whenever the ball comes into the box you'll see Kelvin rooted to his line and shouting "away". He very, very rarely comes and punches away, which is now a huge part of the game for a keeper. We've mentioned his distribution already, which is really poor.

 

So in short he falls down in every department as a top draw goalkeeper, unfortunately. I think he'd be a decent enough understudy at this level, but I look with envy at West Ham who signed an ageing Jussi Jaaskelainen. I said at the time it was a great signing and it was an opinion generally derided on here; 3 clean sheets out of 4, and he has the highest saves ratio in the entire division. I don't know how long we can go on ignoring the problem and hoping that a vital cog of our team just suddenly improves and cuts out the littany of errors currently seen in his game.

 

Have to agree here. Remember thinking at the time of RVPs first goal whilst the commentators were eulogising over it as a 'great finish' that whilst it was firmly struck it was a very narrow angle and I thought it was straight at KD so he should have done better. He has also been beaten fairly easily by two near post shots, his positioning for the free kick was poor and his distribution against utd was awful and nearly cost two goals (and did cost a penalty). On top of all that though his leadership of the defence and his presence isn't good enough. We need an premiership experienced head behind that defence so I say go for Gordon, was a quality keeper when fit, is till young at 29 for a keeper, I would imagine he is desperate to prove his critics wrong. Two broken arms is also unlocky and it doesn't really make him injury prone.

 

It's a shame that Tottenham didn't do the Hugo Lloris deal earlier, they have 4 decent keepers and it looks likely that Gomes and Cudicini will go on loan to Championship club when they both could have challenged KD.

[surrey1saint]

Got to Drop KD for Villa game,or if NA doesn't for whatever reason,Everton.

[Baird of the land]

Supported Davis in the past. In League 1 he was a championship keeper playing below his level. Last year in championship level he was solid. However he looks out of his depth in the Prem and the fact we refused to add proper competition to this position in the close season was giving me kittens before the season even kicked off. Last 4 games have left me with a sense of foreboding for the 1st half of the season. The fact that our only alternative is a completely untried youngster scares me. We now have a choice to kill Kelvin's confidence completely by dropping him for a youngster who might perform worse or stick with the extremely limited Kelvin till xmas.

[Bearsy]

I'm already pretty tired of seeing that same one goal where someone goes clean through behind the left centreback and smashes it past Kelvin's near post while Kelvin goes the wrong way.

 

I dunno exactly whose fault it is exactly, but I feel like that's three times now. It was Tevez against City, then it was like Di Santo against Wigan and now bleeding Gervinho's at it.

 

Sort it out NA! If it happens again against Villa I'm going all

 

[Patrick Bateman]

Didn't realise Artur Boruc was out of contract. He is a fantastic goalkeeper, although his temperament is questionable.

 

Agreed - he'd be my choice for at least a year's contract. KD as back-up and Gazza learning the trade. I don't think his temperament is questionable, I just think he's passionate - from memory, I don't recall him doing anything wrong other than a slight wind-up of rival fans??

Gordon is great, but are the old injuries too much?

 

Am sure we'll be surprised, but would like one of them to come in, Boruc first choice for me.

[Saint Charlie]

Got to Drop KD for Villa game,or if NA doesn't for whatever reason,Everton.

 

Unless we sign another keeper this week I would be astonished if NA brought in Gazzaniga for the Villa game.

[RonManager]

Agreed - he'd be my choice for at least a year's contract. KD as back-up and Gazza learning the trade. I don't think his temperament is questionable, I just think he's passionate - from memory, I don't recall him doing anything wrong other than a slight wind-up of rival fans??

Gordon is great, but are the old injuries too much?

 

Am sure we'll be surprised, but would like one of them to come in, Boruc first choice for me.

 

http://www.clubcall.com/everton/keeper-linked-with-switch-8-1470413.html?

[Saint Scott]

Craig Gordon is still a free agent? Surely he wouldnt of performed any worse than Davis, we should be trying to snap him up!

[tajjuk]

I'm already pretty tired of seeing that same one goal where someone goes clean through behind the left centreback and smashes it past Kelvin's near post while Kelvin goes the wrong way.

 

I dunno exactly whose fault it is exactly, but I feel like that's three times now. It was Tevez against City, then it was like Di Santo against Wigan and now bleeding Gervinho's at it.

 

Sort it out NA! If it happens again against Villa I'm going all

 

 

Against Arsenal.

 

First Goal

 

Starts with poor tackling in the midfield, Podolski easily gets away from Davis and Schneiderlin, Puncheon makes little effort to help out (even though he is quite close and was the one who failed to tackle him in the first place).

 

He is then out of position and not tracking Gibbs. Defensive shape is pretty good, Fonte goes to close the ball but Clyne is ball watching and doesn't pick up the run of Gibbs on the outside.

 

Gervinho gets ahead of Hoiveld and is goal side even though he started behind him.

 

Gibbs shoots instead of crossing it and KD deflects it into play rather than out, but then Hoiveld doesn't react and the goal goes in off in when he probably should have cleared it.

 

Pretty much everyone at fault there, Puncheon, Schneiderlin, Davis, Hoiveld, Clyne and KD.

 

Second Goal

 

KD's poor positioning nothing more (flapped at a corner shortly before that as well)

 

 

Third Goal

 

It was part Yoshidas fault, part Lallanas fault and part Kelvin's fault.

 

Lallana didn't press Arteta, he was allowed loads of time to very carefully play the ball through. (whoever passed to Arteta as well wasn't pressed)

 

Yoshida was ball watching when he should have been marking Gervhinho, he gets sucked in and then is wrong footed by a fairly simple run from the attacker.

 

KD shows him far too much space at the near post and doesn't come out to close the angle down, I don't rate Gervinho at all, all KD had to do was come out quickly and stay on his feet until the last minute, I don't Gervinho think is good enough to score in that situation, but he just made it too easy for him.

 

Overall our midfield is standing off far too much, in fact several of them are actually just standing. If you watch the goal you will notice Podolski just runs past Puncheon and none of the midfield pick him, despite Fonte clearly pointing it out.

 

The gap between Fonte and Yoshida is huge as well. If Yoshida was closer to Fonte he would have had Gervinho in front of him not behind and made stopping him getting to goal a lot easier.

 

4th Goal

 

Pretty much like the first, Puncheon fails to tackle Gervinho who goes past him easily, Schneiderlin kind of just runs along side Gervinho, no pressing. No one it marking Gibbs who is wide left completely on his own.The whole team are inside our half and are very narrow.

 

The actually goal off Clyne is unlucky but the situation shouldn't have happened. Something was off on the right hand side as no one was picking up Gibbs and Clyne seemed reluctant to go out to him.

 

5th Goal

 

Again standing off in Midfield giving time to pick the pass out. Clyne is too narrow and gets done easily by Ramsey (who runs form deep and isn't tracked by anyone)

 

KD should do better from what is a very weak toe poke shot from Ramsey.

 

Fox just lets Gervinho go.

 

6th Goal

 

Ramsey gets inside Clyne easily.

 

KD parries back into the middle too easily, and the defence should have cleared the rebound.

 

Overall

 

KD could have done a lot better with all the goals.

 

Midfield didn't press enough and weren't tenacious enough in the tackle.

 

Puncheon failed to track runners on several occasion leaving Clyne exposed.

 

Clynes positioning is poor, he also doe0ns't seem to know who he is supposed to mark.

 

Fox fell asleep for one goal.

 

Yoshida and Fonte suffered from having not played together.

 

TL/DR Team pressing/depth and issue, Lazy Midfield play by some, Communication trouble and below par GK.

Edited 17 September, 2012 by tajjuk

[saint_ed]

Everton considering move for Boruc.

[DT]

He was always an okay shot stopper, rubbish in most other things. Now his legs have gone, he's lost the first part. Time to say bye bye (or have a coaching role, Kelv)

[JackFrost]

He's going to be 36 a week Saturday

[Window Cleaner]

Against Arsenal.

 

First Goal

 

Starts with poor tackling in the midfield, Podolski easily gets away from Davis and Schneiderlin, Puncheon makes little effort to help out (even though he is quite close and was the one who failed to tackle him in the first place).

 

Problem looks to be that one of our players expects the other to win the tackle and set him free to go forward. Can't see which is which but from the boot colour it seems that Morgan expects Davis to rob Podolski and starts moving forward to receive the pass that will set up a chance for us.Podolski certainly doesn't beat them both but one or t'other doesn't win the ball as expected. In fact having slowed it down and analysed it: When Podolski gets the ball Davis is about 6 feet away from him and goalside, Morgan is about 5 yards away and more towards the Arse goal than ours, if Morgan hits him hard from that side having made up the 5 yards it's probably a tackle from behind and at best a yellow and probably a straight red, it's Davis's tackle to make but he's too slow and not hard enough.

Edited 17 September, 2012 by Window Cleaner

[BlakeySFC]

I'm sorry Kelv, you've been a great servent for the club over the past 6 years or so, but you are just not good enough for the PL.

 

You've always looked a bit shakey, not been brilliant on long-range shots, or with shots low at your near post...the PL has only amplified your inefficiencies and you must kindly f off and make way for Gazza or a new GK to come on and replace you.

[SaintRichmond]

I see Moyes has moved to get Artur Boruc (ex Fiorentina)

 

Good job SFC don't see any urgency in us getting a Prem Quality keeper

 

But I'll tell you what WILL happen

 

If Cortese sees another (say) two Kr*p performences by Kelvin Davis ........... he will sack Adkins

 

(Musn't take the blame for NOT getting a Top keeper in must he )

[SaintRichmond]

I agree here.

Even last season KD had a glaring weakness low down on his right hand side, between him and the near post. Any decent striker would put the ball there and have an excellent chance of either a direct score or a knock out in front of him.KD was also spilling shots like a tyro league novice. Keeping on KD as Number 1 for this season was a crass,crass error.

 

The question is, WHO'SE decision was it ???

 

If it was Adkins, then, IMHO, that is inexcusable

 

If it was Cortese, because he blew the money on Ramirez, also inexcusable, but gives him no grounds for blaming Adkins for the poor GK displays

[SaintRichmond]

ive seen some nonsense on here but this post is in the top 2.

KD has been voted the top keeper by his piers for the last 2 seasons, it is sad tha5t such a great loyal servant is being treated with so little respect by 'fans'

 

It's called REALITY

 

Yes, KD WAS good, but he is not good any longer. Time has caught up with him. In the Prem, he is a Liability

 

Still, you let him play in every match this season, but make sure you're adding machine can keep count of the goals against

[JackFrost]

It's called REALITY

 

Yes, KD WAS good, but he is not good any longer. Time has caught up with him. In the Prem, he is a Liability

 

Still, you let him play in every match this season, but make sure you're adding machine can keep count of the goals against

 

It's all Lowe's fault

[Window Cleaner]

The question is, WHO'SE decision was it ???

 

If it was Adkins, then, IMHO, that is inexcusable

 

If it was Cortese, because he blew the money on Ramirez, also inexcusable, but gives him no grounds for blaming Adkins for the poor GK displays

 

Cortese hadn't blown the money on Ramirez last May, I think that tells you everything.

[Window Cleaner]

It's called REALITY

 

Yes, KD WAS good, but he is not good any longer. Time has caught up with him. In the Prem, he is a Liability

 

Still, you let him play in every match this season, but make sure you're adding machine can keep count of the goals against

 

 

Adding machine?? you'd probably need Deep Blue.

[VectisSaint]

Third Goal

 

It was part Yoshidas fault, part Lallanas fault and part Kelvin's fault.

 

Lallana didn't press Arteta, he was allowed loads of time to very carefully play the ball through. (whoever passed to Arteta as well wasn't pressed)

 

Yoshida was ball watching when he should have been marking Gervhinho, he gets sucked in and then is wrong footed by a fairly simple run from the attacker.

 

KD shows him far too much space at the near post and doesn't come out to close the angle down, I don't rate Gervinho at all, all KD had to do was come out quickly and stay on his feet until the last minute, I don't Gervinho think is good enough to score in that situation, but he just made it too easy for him.

 

Overall our midfield is standing off far too much, in fact several of them are actually just standing. If you watch the goal you will notice Podolski just runs past Puncheon and none of the midfield pick him, despite Fonte clearly pointing it out.

 

The gap between Fonte and Yoshida is huge as well. If Yoshida was closer to Fonte he would have had Gervinho in front of him not behind and made stopping him getting to goal a lot easier.

You forgot Fox. Yoshida was pulled out of position because Fox was not defending properly. This is happening time and again, where Fox leaves the Left CB exposed, who then goes to try to cover and it pulls the remaining back 3 apart and leaves huge gaps. Yoshida could probably have done better (especially if he had been on the pitch more than a few minutes) but the root cause is Fox's defending.

[derry]

You forgot Fox. Yoshida was pulled out of position because Fox was not defending properly. This is happening time and again, where Fox leaves the Left CB exposed, who then goes to try to cover and it pulls the remaining back 3 apart and leaves huge gaps. Yoshida could probably have done better (especially if he had been on the pitch more than a few minutes) but the root cause is Fox's defending.

 

So where was our defensive passing genius, bloody missing as always. As far as I'm concerned, apart from a more dynamic display against MU he is luxury we can't afford. The defensive midfielder has to be the first to get across and buy time, not the centre backs.

[Window Cleaner]

So where was our defensive passing genius, bloody missing as always. As far as I'm concerned, apart from a more dynamic display against MU he is luxury we can't afford. The defensive midfielder has to be the first to get across and buy time, not the centre backs.

 

Is he not playing further forward now with Davis being given the anchor role? Seems to me that when Davis went off,Ramirez came on and Morgan dropped back a notch in the second half we were more stable.

[Olallana]

I totally agree that Kelvin has not been up to par at all, very much below.

 

And I can still find reasons to blame him for the 2nd goal, that free kick from Arsenal cause of rally bad positioning.....BUT....

I have not seen one single comment (I might have missed it though) about the wall and that they weren´t jumping.

If the wall jumps I think the ball would hit them and therefore no goal wouls occur on that one.

[Dark Munster]

I see Moyes has moved to get Artur Boruc (ex Fiorentina)

 

Good job SFC don't see any urgency in us getting a Prem Quality keeper

 

But I'll tell you what WILL happen

 

If Cortese sees another (say) two Kr*p performences by Kelvin Davis ........... he will sack Adkins

 

(Musn't take the blame for NOT getting a Top keeper in must he )

Maybe this is NC's cunning plan.

[David Strover]

ive seen some nonsense on here but this post is in the top 2.

KD has been voted the top keeper by his piers for the last 2 seasons, it is sad tha5t such a great loyal servant is being treated with so little respect by 'fans'

 

There is a lot of posts on here saying how wrong you are. Well to be honest I don't run the club and I don't make the decisions and anyway the window has closed so we play with what we got.

 

The sickening thing is not the opinions be they right or wrong it is the absolute deliberate lack of good grace or respect shown to the man.

 

After all if he had ****ed off and joined West Ham to be a bench warmer or before this he'd have probably had the same people calling him a **** too.

 

And for the record I happen to think Craig Gordon is over rated crap and I am still waiting to see the Premiership goalie that dominates his penalty area plucking crosses out of the air like low hanging fruit. Ray Clemence used to be good at crosses, after that there isn't that many. Just watch a bit more football other than Saints only.

[hypochondriac]

Please please please....

 

alex_crook: Hearing #saintsfc back in for former Sunderland keeper Craig Gordon. NA hinted last week he might bring in some free agents.

Yes please. Would make a huge difference.

[Dig Dig]

Just seen the Podolski free kick again. Was very poor from Davis, didnt get anywhere near the ball when it would have been routine for the majority of good keepers.

 

Why does he look so small all of a sudden? And dumpy? Think he needs his yellow jersey back.

[Whitey Grandad]

Just seen the Podolski free kick again. Was very poor from Davis, didnt get anywhere near the ball when it would have been routine for the majority of good keepers.

 

Why does he look so small all of a sudden? And dumpy? Think he needs his yellow jersey back.

 

He seems to try to make himself as small as possible.

[saintchris23]

Spurs have;

 

Friedel, Llores, Gomes AND Cudicini.

 

A loan move for any of these will be an immense improvement.