Saint Charlie Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Having been at the game last night, simple question;is he good enough? Seemed to be at a fault for two of the Arsenal goals and seems a bit slow and mbersome to me. Great servant, but didn't shine last time he was in the Prem either? Must have been questionable in every game so far.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_lambden Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Steven or Kelvin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Nowhere near good enough. An absolute liability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Great servant, but not good enough. Should have brought in another goalkeeper, this has been our biggest error thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 He's an awful keeper for this level. Should have signed a new number 1 (along with another CB and LB) in the transfer window, but no. Knew that free kick was going in today, it wasn't even a good hit. I could accept it if it was in the corner of the goal, but it wasn't. Awful keeping for the first goal today as well and yet again beaten at his near post for Forehead's first goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 He's an awful keeper for this level. Should have signed a new number 1 (along with another CB and LB) in the transfer window, but no. Knew that free kick was going in today, it wasn't even a good hit. I could accept it if it was in the corner of the goal, but it wasn't. Awful keeping for the first goal today as well and yet again beaten at his near post for Forehead's first goal. to be fair as badly as we played today if kelvin had given away two soft goals in the first 30 mins against city and united as he did today we would have probably lost by six in those as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Gazza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Gazza Cant be a bad shout. I know he's young but if he's confident enough, he'd have to have much more agility and better distribution than Davis. Don't know if it's the black kit but Davis looks really short and round and nothing like a premier League athlete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aura Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 not a chance he will be one of the main culprits if we go down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Kelvin does give too many goals away from shots way outside the penalty area and at the near post. Furthermore he does not command his area. We all commented on this last year but he got away with it in the Championship. The Premiership is ruthless and sadly, time for a change now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 KD was utterly shocking yesterday - it was embarrassing. He's been poor all season yet some have vindicated him because he has saved two of the worst penalties I've seen in years. Needed to be replaced in the summer along with most of the back four. He wasn't so we're stuck with him and we will lose a huge number of points because of it. If Gazza isn't deemed good enough to start the next game then we have serious problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Wonder what Craig Gordon is upto.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Wonder what Craig Gordon is upto.... Was just thinking the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 To invest more than £30m on the squad and yet still find ourselves utterly reliant on a keeper who has already failed at this level is a error of judgment that beggars belief frankly. Squad building 101 - build from the back. Now I respect Kelvin highly as a man and I don't think he's a bad keeper either, but truth to tell he''ll never be the outstanding top flight GK we obviously require. To embark on a season in one of the toughest leagues in world football just assuming your only senior GK would be able to cope - when what evidence there is strongly suggested otherwise - is as clear a case of 'wishful thinking' as you're ever likely to see I'd say. A fan has to wonder who exactly made this critical call, the manager, or a Chairman intent on spending most of our money on forwards ? This is not a another case of perfect 20/20 hindsight either - the record shows some of us have been saying this for months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Hate to say it bu t I agree. KD is a top bloke and a fantastic servant, but he isn't a premiership standard keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westmidlandsaint Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Gazzaniga is he good enough to play? if he's not why did we buy him? or if he's simply one for the future why didn't we buy another keeper as well. 4 games 14 conceded at 3.5 goals per game is shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 To invest more than £30m on the squad and yet still find ourselves utterly reliant on a keeper who has already failed at this level is a error of judgment that beggars belief frankly. Squad building 101 - build from the back. Now I respect Kelvin highly as a man and I don't think he's a bad keeper either, but truth to tell he''ll never be the outstanding top flight GK we obviously require. To embark on a season in one of the toughest leagues in world football just assuming your only senior GK would be able to cope - when what evidence there is strongly suggested otherwise - is as clear a case of 'wishful thinking' as you're ever likely to see I'd say. A fan has to wonder who exactly made this critical call, the manager, or a Chairman intent on spending most of our money on forwards ? This is not a another case of perfect 20/20 hindsight either - the record shows some of us have been saying this for months. Good post Charlie.... KD should be our number two keeper and we should of bought in someone better in the summer. I would of gone for that Guzan at Villa who left then went back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian the Red Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Unfortunately this has been our weakest part of the team for a number seasons. KD has been a loyal servant to the club but if no replacement is brought in soon we will be in deep, deep trouble. I doubt that the defence has much confidence in KD either. Unfortunately I do not think Gazza is ready to step and playing him could destroy his confidence. Gordon is a good shout, experienced but injury prone. We have a huge problem and need a top keeper soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian the Red Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 To invest more than £30m on the squad and yet still find ourselves utterly reliant on a keeper who has already failed at this level is a error of judgment that beggars belief frankly. Squad building 101 - build from the back. Now I respect Kelvin highly as a man and I don't think he's a bad keeper either, but truth to tell he''ll never be the outstanding top flight GK we obviously require. To embark on a season in one of the toughest leagues in world football just assuming your only senior GK would be able to cope - when what evidence there is strongly suggested otherwise - is as clear a case of 'wishful thinking' as you're ever likely to see I'd say. A fan has to wonder who exactly made this critical call, the manager, or a Chairman intent on spending most of our money on forwards ? This is not a another case of perfect 20/20 hindsight either - the record shows some of us have been saying this for months. Excellent post have to agree totally. I for one have osted the need to have a decent keeper and gemerally the normal comments were KD is good enough, loyal player etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Just been looking at some stats on his last outing in the prem for Sunderland 2005/06 and he played 33 games conceded 52 goals and kept 3 clean sheets As a comparison - Man city 2 - 1 Sunderland Sunderland 0 - 1 Wigan Sunderland 1 - 3 man utd Arsenal 3 - 1 Sunderland (Davis didn't play) At the moment he has conceded 14 goals in 4 games. Obviously all of the goals conceded for us and Sunderland are not all his fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 He needs to fall on his sword as his legs have gone. But he would probably miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Davis was not good enough last season IMO; a top class G'keeper was a must buy but obviously we could not get our man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Loyalty is no good if it costs you points. He has to be replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Kelvin can be an excellent asset to the club as a Goalkeeping coach or similar but we need a better keeper - and soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 I thinks he's a top bloke like the rest of us but the fact is he's just not agile enough at this level he's a terrific shot stopper but that's about it. His distribution is truly shocking how many times does he hoof it straight out of play or a miss cued hit straight to an attacker? we hardly over see him through the ball to a defender to play out from the back as most top keepers do he just seems to panic and hoof it anywhere even when under no pressure. Why is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Unfortunately he looks frighteningly out of his depth. I thought he'd give it a good crack this year, but he is seriously struggling to get near any strike at goal. This is the difference in the PL. I've watched the replay's of him trying to make saves, and it just looks like he's struggling to even get off the ground. I will always remember Davis fondly, he's been a bit of a legend for us over the years, and the last thing I want to happen is for him to become a laughing stock and a hate figure amongst the fans. Time for Gazzaniga to get a shot before it's gone too far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Throw even Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 I think that Nigel has been overly sentimental on this issue, sure Kelvin's dedication and loyalty deserves some reward but not at the price of losing matches on a regular basis ! Goals conceded at the the near post (in 3 games so far!), clearance kicks straight to the opposition, no command of the box at set pieces, these problems are very clear to see ! Each match so far, I have had texts and calls from (non Saints supporting!) mates saying that he is our weakest link, this cannot be a coincidence ! I am the last person to condemn any of our players but do feel strongly that we have to act sooner rather than later to sort this out ! (ps. no hindsight on my part, as I started a thread about this at the end of last season!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markr27 Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 I think he's suffering from the ghosts of Sunderland, and the self-imposed pressure that comes with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 And to think a few months ago a lot on here were claiming he should be in the England squad and anyone who said he wasn't good enough was shouted down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 GK is the one position I thought Nigel would get spot on, but it turns out its the position he has failed in the most this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 GK is the one position I thought Nigel would get spot on, but it turns out its the position he has failed in the most this summer. How do we know though? Adkins may be responsible for suggesting players to get in but is he responsible for making them sign ? We don't know what keepers he was really after Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 I think he's suffering from the ghosts of Sunderland, and the self-imposed pressure that comes with it. Agree with this 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Kelvin Davis has always been an enigma for me. When he is good he is very good, but when he is off form he is very very poor. Its not knee jerk, its not looking for someone to blame, its a fact. Anyone who has watched Kelvion since he came here is more than aware of his good spell/bad spell periods. I doubt its a coincidence that his one season in the Prem at Sunderland was so horrific. Unless he is on top form he does not command the area, he rarely comes and claims croses and his near post defending is abysmal. Its almost like everything he knows goes out the window when he isnt on top of his game. He has been a great servant to us, he has had some fantastic spells of goalkeeping for us and by all accounts he is a top bloke BUT he has looked very poor so far this season and I cant believe Nigel as a former keeper himself hasn't noticed it. But until January its Kelvin or Gazza......and if we go for Gazza and he isn't ready then thats his confidence blown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza82 Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Well come january there could be a few keepers up for grabs Green-QPR Wright-Man City Gomes-Spurs Cudicini-Spurs Friedel-Spurs Butland-Brum Or there could be free agents now Gordon Boruc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aura Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Well come january there could be a few keepers up for grabs Green-QPR Wright-Man City Gomes-Spurs Cudicini-Spurs Friedel-Spurs Butland-Brum Or there could be free agents now Gordon Boruc No old or over the hill keepers we need someone like Vorm or something surely there is another one of these hidding in the foreign leagues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Alert Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 I posted a few weeks ago I was worried Kelv might be out Brian Jensen, remember when Burnley were in the PL and all the fans would always chant "BEEEEEAAST", yet he was calamitous and no where near the level required. That seems to me to be the thing with Kelv, tons of people on here all summer saying he would step up and was a good keeper, I am sorry this is just not true his legs are gone. Watch him in the warm up this weekend with Gazza watch and really compare the two just in the warm up and you will see a huge difference in how agile they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Well come january there could be a few keepers up for grabs Green-QPR Wright-Man City Gomes-Spurs Cudicini-Spurs Friedel-Spurs Butland-Brum Or there could be free agents now Gordon Boruc Spurs have a plethora of top keepers there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 GK is the one position I thought Nigel would get spot on, but it turns out its the position he has failed in the most this summer. Gazzaniga is a very good prospect, but can Adkins "blood" him yet ? The time to introduce any new player is preferably when the team is doing OK Unfortunately we are not playing well, and you can tell our confidence is already very fragile Who to blame re us not getting a TOP Prem quality keeper ??? If Adkins thought that Davis would be OK, then IMHO, Bad Call, and Adkins should be replaced If Cortese said "no" because the target keeper's price was too high for him, then, IMHO, Cortese just has to sit back and make a mental note that in EVERY position, Quality Costs Money. Overall, I personally think that Gazza MUST be given a chance (the defence HAS lost confidence in KD IMHO) I also think that Adkins IS floundering in the Prem, and apart from us "playing ever so well", and "learning all the time" if we want to stay in the Prem, he will have to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Well come january there could be a few keepers up for grabs Green-QPR Wright-Man City Gomes-Spurs Cudicini-Spurs Friedel-Spurs Butland-Brum Or there could be free agents now Gordon Boruc Come January and it will be far too late IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 I have supported KD in the past but this season he seems to have a complex that he is not good enough. He seems to have lost the spark that made him so good in the past. I said he should be given his chance for all e has done for us, but he may need to be rested. To be fair though, apart from Clyne the whole defence is poor. As for Fox!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza82 Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Come January and it will be far too late IMHO Not alot we can do about that now unless we sign a free agent, who will not be fit or match sharpe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Fonte has been worse than fox IMO looks totally clueless in the premiership and panics whenever the ball comes nr him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Well come january there could be a few keepers up for grabs Green-QPR Wright-Man City Gomes-Spurs Cudicini-Spurs Friedel-Spurs Butland-Brum Or there could be free agents now Gordon Boruc Green is shocking, no better than Kelvin. Wright past it, as is Cudicini. Gordon was poor or injured the past couple of years. Gomes & Friedel, wgaes maybe an issue. Gomes is pretty in and out as well. Our Keeper problem should have been adressed last year, but we persisted with Bart as back up instead of getting Kelvin some real competition. To be fair to Adkins it's easy to be wise after the event. Kelvin was one of the top 2 or 3 in the division last season, Leeds anyone. It's been a bit of a shock just how poor he has been this season. With a decent back up that would not be so much of an issue.Kelvin deserved his shot, (and he's lucky Paolo di canio's not the manager, otherwise he'd have been subbed before half time yesterday), but he deserves to be dropped on his performances this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 So. Kelvin for england.... As was suggested on here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 We've had some very good keepers in previous 1st Divie and Prem days - like Martin for example - who's agility and top class saves have kept us in the frame. To be in the top tier with a second tier standard stopper is proving disastrous. We've also had some tougher, more resolute defenders too in the past. Enough said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 I have supported KD in the past but this season he seems to have a complex that he is not good enough. He seems to have lost the spark that made him so good in the past. I said he should be given his chance for all e has done for us, but he may need to be rested. To be fair though, apart from Clyne the whole defence is poor. As for Fox!!!!! To be frank, he was never that good, he always had the weaknesses he is showing now, no command of his box, poor distribution, poor at corners, his one saving grace was that he was a great shot stopper. He did OK for us in L1 and admittedly did seem to have improved a bit last season, but to say he has been so good in the past is a case of rose-tinted spectacles in my opinion. It seems that Adkins knows how to play on the pitch, but has a blind spot when it comes to keepers, which is surprising given his own playing career was between the sticks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Just not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Anyone calling for Adkins to be replaced after 4 games in the English Premier League, deserves to be called an idiot. As for the topic, Davis is costing us badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Davis has been a great service to us and for that we thank him, but hopefully NA realises that being sentimental does not win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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