Who else out there can take it on?

[Pilchards]

Pilchards,

 

Harry is the only manager who can do it IMHO. And he's available.

 

The situation this time is quite different. This time there's no Lowe, no Sir Clive, money to spend and potential new investors. Harry's local. He's the best English Premier League manager around and without a job. He's proven and has a right to wrong here that could drive him. But, would he want it? Any slight doubts and he should NOT be offered it.

 

But, I still think Adkins can do it and we should stick with him for consistency, but if we want more Ramirez's, Arry's the man to attract them I'm afraid.

 

What's more, I dont think there are as many anti-Harry Saints fans as the vocal minority may make out. If he delivers results all will be forgiven very quickly.

 

I can't think of anyone else who may keep us up if Adkins is sacked. But, I hope Nigel isn't though!!

 

CONSISTENCY AND A BUILDING A TEAM FROM THE BACK IS GOOD MANAGEMENT, get the second bit right and we stand a chance.

 

I will try not to bring this thread into a Harry bashing one but.......

 

SFC want to breed youth through as it's the future, we have some fantastic players that are knocking on the door with the likes of JWP & Shaw. Now Harry wants goldie oldies that he does not have to coach as he does not have a ****ing clue..... Not SFC and never will be....

 

 

Now that PEP guy plays football the way Cortese/Reed and SFC want it played... manager's are never on more than 50k a week so go on Cortese as this person will take us to another level, a massive level.

[Wade Garrett]

I've just posted this on another thread, but I reckon Adkins could be toast. Just the impression I got from his bbc interview.

[Thedelldays]

I will try not to bring this thread into a Harry bashing one but.......

 

SFC want to breed youth through as it's the future, we have some fantastic players that are knocking on the door with the likes of JWP & Shaw. Now Harry wants goldie oldies that he does not have to coach as he does not have a ****ing clue..... Not SFC and never will be....

 

 

Now that PEP guy plays football the way Cortese/Reed and SFC want it played... manager's are never on more than 50k a week so go on Cortese as this person will take us to another level, a massive level.

clearly not true

 

and then mention guardiola......holy FUK

[Pilchards]

clearly not true

 

and then mention guardiola......holy FUK

 

You saying Pep can't coach players to play real football?

 

lost me dull?

[Thedelldays]

You saying Pep can't coach players to play real football?

 

lost me dull?

oh he can...just won't ever be at saints...he will be the most in demand coach in world football when he comes back...simple as that.

he will probably get a job and earn as much, if not more than Mourinho....

 

he won't be coming to saints any time soon....chelsea, the european champions with an unlimited budget could not tempt him...and De Matteo is only on a short contract....

[Saints Warrior]

Mick McCarthy, Alan Curbishley, Ray Wilkins, Reddcrapp all rubbish so stay away from a real club.

[Pilchards]

oh he can...just won't ever be at saints...he will be the most in demand coach in world football when he comes back...simple as that.

he will probably get a job and earn as much, if not more than Mourinho....

 

he won't be coming to saints any time soon....chelsea, the european champions with an unlimited budget could not tempt him...and De Matteo is only on a short contract....

 

Could not tempt him as he wanted a rest....He's fresh now.

 

De Matteo will be the first choice for Cortese as we heard some rumours in the summer that he could be lined up.

[Thedelldays]

Then De Matteo will be the first choice for Cortese as we heard some rumours in the summer that he could be lined up.

lets pretend that guardiola does not go to chelsea...he will never come to saints unless we are going to better what chelsea could offer him in wages, transfer budget, money, facilities....

 

dear god..you actually think pep guardiola could come to saints......that is ACTUALLY like saying we could sign messi or ronaldo if they quit their clubs in january...it will simply never happen

[Pilchards]

lets pretend that guardiola does not go to chelsea...he will never come to saints unless we are going to better what chelsea could offer him in wages, transfer budget, money, facilities....

 

dear god..you actually think pep guardiola could come to saints......that is ACTUALLY like saying we could sign messi or ronaldo if they quit their clubs in january...it will simply never happen

 

I do believe Pep could come to Saints as I know Cortese wants to be the best at everything he does, Reed and him will look at the best to deliver what is a massive project for SFC.

[Thedelldays]

I do believe Pep could come to Saints as I know Cortese wants to be the best at everything he does, Reed and him will look at the best to deliver what is a massive project for SFC.

holy crap....serious mate, not being rude but that is one of the most mental things I have ever read on here

[Badger]

I do believe Pep could come to Saints as I know Cortese wants to be the best at everything he does, Reed and him will look at the best to deliver what is a massive project for SFC.

 

Pep - no chance

'arry - no f'kin thanks, and furthermore I don't think he fits the NC mould for development

 

Martinez - not likely

 

Hoddle - did not want him in 2004, but probably the best we could now get

 

How about an up and coming English manager ? Oh , yes, we've got one of those already.

[Pilchards]

holy crap....serious mate, not being rude but that is one of the most mental things I have ever read on here

 

 

Yeah signing Ramirez was mental, I love mental.....bring on the ****ing mental.

[St Lej]

I do believe Pep could come to Saints as I know Cortese wants to be the best at everything he does, Reed and him will look at the best to deliver what is a massive project for SFC.

 

Oh my Christ. Delusion on the grandest scale imaginable. Is this a wind up?

[Badger]

Has Pep got any experience of a relegation scrap ?

 

Just purely out of academic interest.

[Thedelldays]

Yeah signing Ramirez was mental, I love mental.....bring on the ****ing mental.

are you insane.....ramirez is not in pep's league..you are talking about the top 1% of coaches in world football...not a £12m forward

 

holy crap, you actually believe this don't you

 

why didn't we sign eden harzard....? if NC and co want the best for this massive project...

[Wade Garrett]

I do believe Pep could come to Saints as I know Cortese wants to be the best at everything he does, Reed and him will look at the best to deliver what is a massive project for SFC.

 

Seriously?

[Pilchards]

are you insane.....ramirez is not in pep's league..you are talking about the top 1% of coaches in world football...not a £12m forward

 

holy crap, you actually believe this don't you

 

why didn't we sign eden harzard....? if NC and co want the best for this massive project...

 

Saints signing a player for 12M......ask anyone at the start of the season if they believe our club would sign a player for 12M....nobody and I mean nobody would say they will.

 

Anything is possible in football and Cortese is someone on a mission to be successful, he know's that the manager role is the most important person at a club.

We can dream, ****ing right we can...!!

[lordswoodsaints]

As some have suggested on this thread that us fans are acting like spoilt brats because we are not getting something from the games we have played,well we have been told to expect great things like champions league football and big plans so it's no surprise that people are getting the hump when we can't even compete in our own league let alone the champions league.

If you aim high with a faulty gun you shoot yourself in the foot.

[ant]

Feels terrible now having so many loyal servants slagged off every 5 minutes. Maybe some aren't up to scratch, but we've had countless players who weren't good enough get great support over the years. Benali, Claus, Maddison, Widdrington, Ormerod to name a few, let's be honest they were pretty poor and we took our share of hammerings because of it. But people recognised getting behind them would help and moaning wouldn't.

 

Many fans reaction just smacks of spoilt little kids who've been given far too much too soon. I stupidly, very stupidly, assumed there'd be far more perspective having been out for 7 years, having seen further relegation, financial woe and a rise back up. I thought people would be patient, enjoy being back and support every no matter what. I am clearly an idiot.

 

This passage sums it up perfectly for me. The rapid and indescribable loss of perspective is beyond worrying. Supporters support.

[Handyman]

Thank God, I was beginning to despair of reading anything sensible on here any more. This is a top post but will sadly be wasted on some of our dimmer posters.

 

Seconded!

[La BoIS Saint]

The man at the top carries the can. Cortese out.

[badgerx16]

.....,well we have been told to expect great things like champions league football ..... .......

 

I doubt if even Cortese believes that, and I know that's apparently the source of the statement. Anybody that looked at this season as a route to the ECL is beyond deluded, it's approaching Skate levels of foolishness.

[Dark Munster]

Pep - no chance

'arry - no f'kin thanks, and furthermore I don't think he fits the NC mould for development

 

Martinez - not likely

 

Hoddle - did not want him in 2004, but probably the best we could now get

 

How about an up and coming English manager ? Oh , yes, we've got one of those already.

Oh God, I can hear a Dalek approaching.

[Matthew Le God]

Not that I think he will be sacked or that I want Adkins to go.

 

But would...

 

 

...be out of the question?

 

He is currently out of a job and publicly stated he wants to manage in the Premier League again.

 

He has won La Liga twice, 2nd in the Premier League and won the UEFA Cup, won the World Club Cup and won the Champions League. Ambitious of course, but Cortese is the ambitious type!

 

(that is an awesome video to watch regardless! )

Edited 16 September, 2012 by Matthew Le God

[CB Fry]

Q

Saints signing a player for 12M......ask anyone at the start of the season if they believe our club would sign a player for 12M....nobody and I mean nobody would say they will.

 

Anything is possible in football and Cortese is someone on a mission to be successful, he know's that the manager role is the most important person at a club.

We can dream, ****ing right we can...!!

 

Mental. Proper mental.

 

Signing a player that no other club seriously wanted for £12m is a million miles from Saints appointing world football's hottest manager.

 

You're in fairyland, as usual.

[Matthew Le God]

Saints signing a player for 12M......ask anyone at the start of the season if they believe our club would sign a player for 12M....nobody and I mean nobody would say they will.

 

Anything is possible in football and Cortese is someone on a mission to be successful, he know's that the manager role is the most important person at a club.

We can dream, ****ing right we can...!!

 

Mental. Proper mental.

 

Signing a player that no other club seriously wanted for £12m is a million miles from Saints appointing world football's hottest manager.

 

You're in fairyland, as usual.

 

What about my suggestion? Ambitious yes, but less "mental" than Pilchards idea.

 

Plus he likes facts...

 

Edited 16 September, 2012 by Matthew Le God

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

Roberto Martinez.

 

It's all becoming clear now. That's why he turned down Liverpool in the summer. He was obviously hoping for an approach from Saints.

[lordswoodsaints]

Pilchards,

 

Harry is the only manager who can do it IMHO. And he's available.

 

The situation this time is quite different. This time there's no Lowe, no Sir Clive, money to spend and potential new investors. Harry's local. He's the best English Premier League manager around and without a job. He's proven and has a right to wrong here that could drive him. But, would he want it? Any slight doubts and he should NOT be offered it.

 

But, I still think Adkins can do it and we should stick with him for consistency, but if we want more Ramirez's, Arry's the man to attract them I'm afraid.

 

What's more, I dont think there are as many anti-Harry Saints fans as the vocal minority may make out. If he delivers results all will be forgiven very quickly.

 

I can't think of anyone else who may keep us up if Adkins is sacked. But, I hope Nigel isn't though!!

 

CONSISTENCY AND A BUILDING A TEAM FROM THE BACK IS GOOD MANAGEMENT, get the second bit right and we stand a chance.

 

I'm with this,Nigel should be given a chance but to maintain our premier league status there needs to come a cut off point when cortese says enough is enough and gets rid,if it's too late then the new fella won't have enough time to turn it around so IMO if we are still floundering by November then it's time for a change.

Staying in the premier league is paramount,we have all been through too many emotions over the last few years to throw it all away because of sentiments and stubbornness.

If he does go then we need to employ the best available manager with the most premier league experience and that man is redknapp.

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

Pep - no chance

'arry - no f'kin thanks, and furthermore I don't think he fits the NC mould for development

 

Martinez - not likely

 

Hoddle - did not want him in 2004, but probably the best we could now get

 

How about an up and coming English manager ? Oh , yes, we've got one of those already.

 

I'd love to see GH back at Saints. I still believe that RL should've just employed him instead of bowing to pressure from the fans. He got us playing decent football.

He was the best manager England have had in recent years and would still be in the job if he'd kept his mouth shut.

[saint_bert]

Was the name I mentioned in our post match debate during our journey home

[saint_bert]

Sorry that was meant to say Benitez.

[Give it to Ron]

I'd love to see GH back at Saints. I still believe that RL should've just employed him instead of bowing to pressure from the fans. He got us playing decent football.

He was the best manager England have had in recent years and would still be in the job if he'd kept his mouth shut.

 

Cripes this board is fcking unreal....that would be the Hoddle that got the sack at Tottenham, got booted out of Wolves...couldn't get the Forest job. Not been employed by one club

since how many years and had to start up his own academy because no-one else would touch him in world football?

How many teams are there and how many jobs has he been interviewed for yet some of you nutjobs want him here because a few years ago he did a half

decent job here at The Dell?

Nothing to do with walking out on us just that I think he is terrible!!!

 

We are getting exactly what was predicted - the defence needed rebuilding for the Prem for some reason we didn't and the chickens came home yesterday.

Adkins should get at least until February...after the January window to correct this but I feel Cortese won't do that and he will be gone by end of October.

[Saint Luke]

A reasonable response - which I agree with - we're in the wrong place and will no doubt we lambasted on here.

 

Seems odd to me. Although most things do to be fair.

 

Take a step back, think objectively and pretend you're Cortese, or another football chairman in this situation. You have a manager who seems good but has had a tough start. Do you think another manager would have done better? Maybe, but unlikely, maybe a point or 3 at best, but if Lallana's shot goes in against Wigan it's probably a very different outcome there. If it's then 3 points, 2 gallant losses and one stuffing, I think the vast majority would be happy and optimistic. It just seems too fine a line to be making big decisions. Such a tiny difference between happiness and absolute woe. I'm not criticising anyone for it, it just really confuses me, and depresses me of course.

 

It wouldn't be the first time I've seen a club really harshly sack a manager though. The new man comes in and results improve, with fans saying 'see it was the right decision, look at the change'. Yet how is that fair if the new man gets far more winnable fixtures? It's impossible to say how it would have gone if you'd stuck with the original manager instead, I just think the new manager effect gets a very easy ride. It seems very short term to me, and Cortese has shown he's the opposite so far. I doubt there'd be many rumours if he hadn't sacked Pardew, but by all accounts he really had to. Bringing in a big name manager with his own ideas, staff and new players really doesn't seem to fit in with how things have been run does it. But maybe he will. It would kill it for me, but my love for professional football has become a bit fragile anyway. I've loved the last few years seeing us rise up through the leagues with a good honest team and manager working hard together and improving. Feels terrible now having so many loyal servants slagged off every 5 minutes. Maybe some aren't up to scratch, but we've had countless players who weren't good enough get great support over the years. Benali, Claus, Maddison, Widdrington, Ormerod to name a few, let's be honest they were pretty poor and we took our share of hammerings because of it. But people recognised getting behind them would help and moaning wouldn't.

 

Many fans reaction just smacks of spoilt little kids who've been given far too much too soon. I stupidly, very stupidly, assumed there'd be far more perspective having been out for 7 years, having seen further relegation, financial woe and a rise back up. I thought people would be patient, enjoy being back and support every no matter what. I am clearly an idiot. Already 'the squad isn't premier league class'. Clearly it is, because it's in the premier league. it isn't Arsenal's class, but if you catch a good side on their day, you're in for a beating. I can't say I'm enjoying it but I'm just impatient for the team to show what they can do. There's a lot of quality there that's come out in flashes and needs to be turned into points. It's a long old season but every year without fail, fans of all clubs seem to think form is permanent. Teams starting badly will go down, teams starting well will win the league, players scoring early will keep scoring, players struggling will never be good again. I honestly don't understand it. Most must have seen countless football seasons. I've seen about 20 or more and you have to learn at some stage that things change throughout a season, teams and players surprise you, good and bad.

 

So I'd stick with Adkins regardless. Even if it went wrong, wouldn't it be nice to be viewed as a patience long-term club. Even if we had to go down and come back up, might that not have us in better shape than staying up changing managers each year? If you ditch the people who've done so much for your club every 5 minutes, does your club even mean that much? I look at the likes of QPR who'll probably stay up, and hate the thought of supporting something like that. A new team every 5 minutes, money thrown around with little thought, mercenaries everywhere.

 

Anyway, Saints will be fine. It's just my opinion and we'll have to wait and see who is right won't we. But I can see more frustration, some big beatings but slowly and steadily becoming better and more confident, and eventually surprising a lot of people. One things for sure, the forum will implode a few times a week and I'll waste ages typing 20 times more than is needed with Glasgow asking for a summary.

[CB Fry]

What about my suggestion? Ambitious yes, but less "mental" than Pilchards idea.

 

Plus he likes facts...

 

 

 

Benitez is not Pep. He could come to us, yes. Like Sven going to Leicester. Still at the unlikely end of the scale though

[Topcat]

Is there any chance of Cortese pulling the trigger quickly? Lets have a look at past events.

2010 rumblings in the pre-season about the Manager (Pardew) having problems with Cortese/Reed and the transfer activity. A couple of gains in and even after a 4-0 away win, Pardew is sacked without a replacement lined up.

2012 rumblings in the pre-season about the Manager (Adkins) having problems with Cortese/Reed and the transfer activity. A couple of gains in and after 4 defeats .....

[Andy Durman]

We shouldn't hit the panic button, but I do think that NA needs some help. Take Arsenal as an example. They have Steve Bould organising the defence. How many have they let in? 1 which was a mistake by the keeper. NA will be a top manager, but he has to learn quickly and he will!

Edited 16 September, 2012 by Andy Durman

[Cabrone]

So NA got us promoted twice in 2 seasons and now having played well in large parts against the champions(a), the runners up(h), a regular champions league team(a) + Wigan some of our 'fans' are speculating on who to get next.

 

Unbelievable.

 

[Wade Garrett]

We shouldn't hit the panic button, but I do think that NA needs some help. Take Arsenal as an example. They have Steve Bould organising the defence. How many have they let in? 1 which was a mistake by the keeper.

 

I thought that when we got promoted, we should have employed an assistant for Adkins with tons of Premier League experience. A Jim Smith type figure who could advise Adkins on all the pitfalls of top flight football. A defensive coach would also have been good (they have been organised very poorly in my opinion. Rubbish on set-pieces with zonal marking, both full-backs getting sucked too close to the centre backs in open play, leaving massive gaps to exploit).

Sadly, any such appointment now will only undermine the manager. The only options are to back him 100% (privately, not the dreaded vote of confidence), or replace him.

[davefoggy]

Seems odd to me. Although most things do to be fair.

 

Take a step back, think objectively and pretend you're Cortese, or another football chairman in this situation. You have a manager who seems good but has had a tough start. Do you think another manager would have done better? Maybe, but unlikely, maybe a point or 3 at best, but if Lallana's shot goes in against Wigan it's probably a very different outcome there. If it's then 3 points, 2 gallant losses and one stuffing, I think the vast majority would be happy and optimistic. It just seems too fine a line to be making big decisions. Such a tiny difference between happiness and absolute woe. I'm not criticising anyone for it, it just really confuses me, and depresses me of course.

 

It wouldn't be the first time I've seen a club really harshly sack a manager though. The new man comes in and results improve, with fans saying 'see it was the right decision, look at the change'. Yet how is that fair if the new man gets far more winnable fixtures? It's impossible to say how it would have gone if you'd stuck with the original manager instead, I just think the new manager effect gets a very easy ride. It seems very short term to me, and Cortese has shown he's the opposite so far. I doubt there'd be many rumours if he hadn't sacked Pardew, but by all accounts he really had to. Bringing in a big name manager with his own ideas, staff and new players really doesn't seem to fit in with how things have been run does it. But maybe he will. It would kill it for me, but my love for professional football has become a bit fragile anyway. I've loved the last few years seeing us rise up through the leagues with a good honest team and manager working hard together and improving. Feels terrible now having so many loyal servants slagged off every 5 minutes. Maybe some aren't up to scratch, but we've had countless players who weren't good enough get great support over the years. Benali, Claus, Maddison, Widdrington, Ormerod to name a few, let's be honest they were pretty poor and we took our share of hammerings because of it. But people recognised getting behind them would help and moaning wouldn't.

 

Many fans reaction just smacks of spoilt little kids who've been given far too much too soon. I stupidly, very stupidly, assumed there'd be far more perspective having been out for 7 years, having seen further relegation, financial woe and a rise back up. I thought people would be patient, enjoy being back and support every no matter what. I am clearly an idiot. Already 'the squad isn't premier league class'. Clearly it is, because it's in the premier league. it isn't Arsenal's class, but if you catch a good side on their day, you're in for a beating. I can't say I'm enjoying it but I'm just impatient for the team to show what they can do. There's a lot of quality there that's come out in flashes and needs to be turned into points. It's a long old season but every year without fail, fans of all clubs seem to think form is permanent. Teams starting badly will go down, teams starting well will win the league, players scoring early will keep scoring, players struggling will never be good again. I honestly don't understand it. Most must have seen countless football seasons. I've seen about 20 or more and you have to learn at some stage that things change throughout a season, teams and players surprise you, good and bad.

 

So I'd stick with Adkins regardless. Even if it went wrong, wouldn't it be nice to be viewed as a patience long-term club. Even if we had to go down and come back up, might that not have us in better shape than staying up changing managers each year? If you ditch the people who've done so much for your club every 5 minutes, does your club even mean that much? I look at the likes of QPR who'll probably stay up, and hate the thought of supporting something like that. A new team every 5 minutes, money thrown around with little thought, mercenaries everywhere.

 

Anyway, Saints will be fine. It's just my opinion and we'll have to wait and see who is right won't we. But I can see more frustration, some big beatings but slowly and steadily becoming better and more confident, and eventually surprising a lot of people. One things for sure, the forum will implode a few times a week and I'll waste ages typing 20 times more than is needed with Glasgow asking for a summary.

 

great post, very wise words

[Wade Garrett]

So NA got us promoted twice in 2 seasons and now having played well in large parts against the champions(a), the runners up(h), a regular champions league team(a) + Wigan some of our 'fans' are speculating on who to get next.

 

Unbelievable.

 

 

I'm afraid the Premier League is cut-throat. There is no loyalty these days and that is on both sides. it's modern football culture.

[Stepgar]

DiCanio?

 

He can **** right off. I work in Swindon and trust me he is getting the headlines for all the wrong reasons. Fighting with his players in pubic. Not cool.

Edited 16 September, 2012 by Stepgar

[Wes Tender]

Why is there the need for yet another thread on this subject? There's a very similar one already available.

 

Or is the OP just keen to say hey, look at me, I need attention?

 

Or do we need a new thread about this after every game we lose, because the previous thread somehow becomes redundant?

 

Let's get some perspective for heaven's sake. And perhaps have the mods close one of these threads and try and get some order into the forum.

 

How many thought when the new fixture list was published that we would have picked up any points against Man Utd, Man City and Arsenal? OK, we might have expected to have got something against Wigan, but when some on here suggest Martinez as a potential successor to Adkins, the presumption is that he is doing a decent job there and they are not the pushovers they were any longer. So we were actually in a position to beat both Manchester clubs and got tonked by Arsenal when we had lost some momentum because of the International break and did not have the time to bed in some of our new signings. Even then in the Arsenal match, their tally included two own goals and a fantastic free kick and Lambert really should have put away his chance. Had the game finished 3-2, would we have had all this bed-wetting?

 

Well, I suppose we would have. Because there are many on here who are prone to the knee-jerk reaction, unable to see the bigger picture, without the intelligence to reason that it was unlikely that we would get anything or not much from the opening fixtures and that the likelihood is that we should fare much better against most of the other fixtures.

 

The marathon gun has just fired and we are last at the 800 yard mark. We might as well accept that we are going to be last, eh?