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I certainly want to give NA a chance but I know Cortese will be looking for an option esp if we lose the Villa game.

 

so the question is who is out there that could take this club to the next level and I'm certain it's not going to be Harry.

 

Um, no you don't.

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I'm not saying whether it's right or not, but I don't think Cortese will take the chance of keeping Nigel.

 

Very harsh, considering the excellent job he has done in the previous 2 seasons, but Nicola is pretty ruthless.

 

If he has lost confidence in the manager, he will waste little time appointing someone else.

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There are several experienced CEO's out there who could do a far better job than Cortese, I'm sure the Liebherr family are looking at options to replace him.

 

Yeah right

 

It's just as sensible as sacking NA! NC was given the task of completing the 5-year plan, keeping us in the Prem and push us toward Champions League football. If this season is doomed as parts of this forum suggest, NC has failed in that.

 

Or, perhaps, sacking either of them after four games, three of which against some of the best teams in the world, is ridiculous.

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IMO Cortese won't be here for long. he is running the club for the Liebherrs, I think he will want it stabilised in the prem and then sell it for a large profit, which I imagine will go back into Markus estate. Therefore I don't think he will hesitate to pull the trigger, even as early as Monday morning.

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IMO Cortese won't be here for long. he is running the club for the Liebherrs, I think he will want it stabilised in the prem and then sell it for a large profit, which I imagine will go back into Markus estate. Therefore I don't think he will hesitate to pull the trigger, even as early as Monday morning.

 

Whilst I don't agree with your opinion on Cortese and the Liebherrs' motivations, I do agree with you on his

single-mindedness. I reckon there's a chance you could be right on a sacking.

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doddisalegend

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IF and it's a big if, Cortese decides to replace NA it will not be with a run-of-the-mill dinosaur EPL manager. Expect something "different" IMHO.

 

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yeah that's what I think none of the old guard of has been PL managers really match the noises coming out of the club about a top to bottom southampton style with youth and 1st team intergrated thus I think somethimg like this is more likely

 

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Seems odd to me. Although most things do to be fair.

 

Take a step back, think objectively and pretend you're Cortese, or another football chairman in this situation. You have a manager who seems good but has had a tough start. Do you think another manager would have done better? Maybe, but unlikely, maybe a point or 3 at best, but if Lallana's shot goes in against Wigan it's probably a very different outcome there. If it's then 3 points, 2 gallant losses and one stuffing, I think the vast majority would be happy and optimistic. It just seems too fine a line to be making big decisions. Such a tiny difference between happiness and absolute woe. I'm not criticising anyone for it, it just really confuses me, and depresses me of course.

 

It wouldn't be the first time I've seen a club really harshly sack a manager though. The new man comes in and results improve, with fans saying 'see it was the right decision, look at the change'. Yet how is that fair if the new man gets far more winnable fixtures? It's impossible to say how it would have gone if you'd stuck with the original manager instead, I just think the new manager effect gets a very easy ride. It seems very short term to me, and Cortese has shown he's the opposite so far. I doubt there'd be many rumours if he hadn't sacked Pardew, but by all accounts he really had to. Bringing in a big name manager with his own ideas, staff and new players really doesn't seem to fit in with how things have been run does it. But maybe he will. It would kill it for me, but my love for professional football has become a bit fragile anyway. I've loved the last few years seeing us rise up through the leagues with a good honest team and manager working hard together and improving. Feels terrible now having so many loyal servants slagged off every 5 minutes. Maybe some aren't up to scratch, but we've had countless players who weren't good enough get great support over the years. Benali, Claus, Maddison, Widdrington, Ormerod to name a few, let's be honest they were pretty poor and we took our share of hammerings because of it. But people recognised getting behind them would help and moaning wouldn't.

 

Many fans reaction just smacks of spoilt little kids who've been given far too much too soon. I stupidly, very stupidly, assumed there'd be far more perspective having been out for 7 years, having seen further relegation, financial woe and a rise back up. I thought people would be patient, enjoy being back and support every no matter what. I am clearly an idiot. Already 'the squad isn't premier league class'. Clearly it is, because it's in the premier league. it isn't Arsenal's class, but if you catch a good side on their day, you're in for a beating. I can't say I'm enjoying it but I'm just impatient for the team to show what they can do. There's a lot of quality there that's come out in flashes and needs to be turned into points. It's a long old season but every year without fail, fans of all clubs seem to think form is permanent. Teams starting badly will go down, teams starting well will win the league, players scoring early will keep scoring, players struggling will never be good again. I honestly don't understand it. Most must have seen countless football seasons. I've seen about 20 or more and you have to learn at some stage that things change throughout a season, teams and players surprise you, good and bad.

 

So I'd stick with Adkins regardless. Even if it went wrong, wouldn't it be nice to be viewed as a patience long-term club. Even if we had to go down and come back up, might that not have us in better shape than staying up changing managers each year? If you ditch the people who've done so much for your club every 5 minutes, does your club even mean that much? I look at the likes of QPR who'll probably stay up, and hate the thought of supporting something like that. A new team every 5 minutes, money thrown around with little thought, mercenaries everywhere.

 

Anyway, Saints will be fine. It's just my opinion and we'll have to wait and see who is right won't we. But I can see more frustration, some big beatings but slowly and steadily becoming better and more confident, and eventually surprising a lot of people. One things for sure, the forum will implode a few times a week and I'll waste ages typing 20 times more than is needed with Glasgow asking for a summary.

Thank God, I was beginning to despair of reading anything sensible on here any more. This is a top post but will sadly be wasted on some of our dimmer posters.

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doddisalegend

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Seems odd to me. Although most things do to be fair.

 

Take a step back, think objectively and pretend you're Cortese, or another football chairman in this situation. You have a manager who seems good but has had a tough start. Do you think another manager would have done better? Maybe, but unlikely, maybe a point or 3 at best, but if Lallana's shot goes in against Wigan it's probably a very different outcome there. If it's then 3 points, 2 gallant losses and one stuffing, I think the vast majority would be happy and optimistic. It just seems too fine a line to be making big decisions. Such a tiny difference between happiness and absolute woe. I'm not criticising anyone for it, it just really confuses me, and depresses me of course.

 

It wouldn't be the first time I've seen a club really harshly sack a manager though. The new man comes in and results improve, with fans saying 'see it was the right decision, look at the change'. Yet how is that fair if the new man gets far more winnable fixtures? It's impossible to say how it would have gone if you'd stuck with the original manager instead, I just think the new manager effect gets a very easy ride. It seems very short term to me, and Cortese has shown he's the opposite so far. I doubt there'd be many rumours if he hadn't sacked Pardew, but by all accounts he really had to. Bringing in a big name manager with his own ideas, staff and new players really doesn't seem to fit in with how things have been run does it. But maybe he will. It would kill it for me, but my love for professional football has become a bit fragile anyway. I've loved the last few years seeing us rise up through the leagues with a good honest team and manager working hard together and improving. Feels terrible now having so many loyal servants slagged off every 5 minutes. Maybe some aren't up to scratch, but we've had countless players who weren't good enough get great support over the years. Benali, Claus, Maddison, Widdrington, Ormerod to name a few, let's be honest they were pretty poor and we took our share of hammerings because of it. But people recognised getting behind them would help and moaning wouldn't.

 

Many fans reaction just smacks of spoilt little kids who've been given far too much too soon. I stupidly, very stupidly, assumed there'd be far more perspective having been out for 7 years, having seen further relegation, financial woe and a rise back up. I thought people would be patient, enjoy being back and support every no matter what. I am clearly an idiot. Already 'the squad isn't premier league class'. Clearly it is, because it's in the premier league. it isn't Arsenal's class, but if you catch a good side on their day, you're in for a beating. I can't say I'm enjoying it but I'm just impatient for the team to show what they can do. There's a lot of quality there that's come out in flashes and needs to be turned into points. It's a long old season but every year without fail, fans of all clubs seem to think form is permanent. Teams starting badly will go down, teams starting well will win the league, players scoring early will keep scoring, players struggling will never be good again. I honestly don't understand it. Most must have seen countless football seasons. I've seen about 20 or more and you have to learn at some stage that things change throughout a season, teams and players surprise you, good and bad.

 

So I'd stick with Adkins regardless. Even if it went wrong, wouldn't it be nice to be viewed as a patience long-term club. Even if we had to go down and come back up, might that not have us in better shape than staying up changing managers each year? If you ditch the people who've done so much for your club every 5 minutes, does your club even mean that much? I look at the likes of QPR who'll probably stay up, and hate the thought of supporting something like that. A new team every 5 minutes, money thrown around with little thought, mercenaries everywhere.Anyway, Saints will be fine. It's just my opinion and we'll have to wait and see who is right won't we. But I can see more frustration, some big beatings but slowly and steadily becoming better and more confident, and eventually surprising a lot of people. One things for sure, the forum will implode a few times a week and I'll waste ages typing 20 times more than is needed with Glasgow asking for a summary.

 

Sadly the vast bags of cash in the PL don't really encourage chairman to look long term the fear of losing the big money means they will frenquently change managers for short term gain (ie staying up this season) Is NC going to be one of those chairmen I don't know but I'll guess we will find out this season....

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Seems odd to me. Although most things do to be fair.

 

Take a step back, think objectively and pretend you're Cortese, or another football chairman in this situation. You have a manager who seems good but has had a tough start. Do you think another manager would have done better? Maybe, but unlikely, maybe a point or 3 at best, but if Lallana's shot goes in against Wigan it's probably a very different outcome there. If it's then 3 points, 2 gallant losses and one stuffing, I think the vast majority would be happy and optimistic. It just seems too fine a line to be making big decisions. Such a tiny difference between happiness and absolute woe. I'm not criticising anyone for it, it just really confuses me, and depresses me of course.

 

It wouldn't be the first time I've seen a club really harshly sack a manager though. The new man comes in and results improve, with fans saying 'see it was the right decision, look at the change'. Yet how is that fair if the new man gets far more winnable fixtures? It's impossible to say how it would have gone if you'd stuck with the original manager instead, I just think the new manager effect gets a very easy ride. It seems very short term to me, and Cortese has shown he's the opposite so far. I doubt there'd be many rumours if he hadn't sacked Pardew, but by all accounts he really had to. Bringing in a big name manager with his own ideas, staff and new players really doesn't seem to fit in with how things have been run does it. But maybe he will. It would kill it for me, but my love for professional football has become a bit fragile anyway. I've loved the last few years seeing us rise up through the leagues with a good honest team and manager working hard together and improving. Feels terrible now having so many loyal servants slagged off every 5 minutes. Maybe some aren't up to scratch, but we've had countless players who weren't good enough get great support over the years. Benali, Claus, Maddison, Widdrington, Ormerod to name a few, let's be honest they were pretty poor and we took our share of hammerings because of it. But people recognised getting behind them would help and moaning wouldn't.

 

Many fans reaction just smacks of spoilt little kids who've been given far too much too soon. I stupidly, very stupidly, assumed there'd be far more perspective having been out for 7 years, having seen further relegation, financial woe and a rise back up. I thought people would be patient, enjoy being back and support every no matter what. I am clearly an idiot. Already 'the squad isn't premier league class'. Clearly it is, because it's in the premier league. it isn't Arsenal's class, but if you catch a good side on their day, you're in for a beating. I can't say I'm enjoying it but I'm just impatient for the team to show what they can do. There's a lot of quality there that's come out in flashes and needs to be turned into points. It's a long old season but every year without fail, fans of all clubs seem to think form is permanent. Teams starting badly will go down, teams starting well will win the league, players scoring early will keep scoring, players struggling will never be good again. I honestly don't understand it. Most must have seen countless football seasons. I've seen about 20 or more and you have to learn at some stage that things change throughout a season, teams and players surprise you, good and bad.

 

So I'd stick with Adkins regardless. Even if it went wrong, wouldn't it be nice to be viewed as a patience long-term club. Even if we had to go down and come back up, might that not have us in better shape than staying up changing managers each year? If you ditch the people who've done so much for your club every 5 minutes, does your club even mean that much? I look at the likes of QPR who'll probably stay up, and hate the thought of supporting something like that. A new team every 5 minutes, money thrown around with little thought, mercenaries everywhere.

 

Anyway, Saints will be fine. It's just my opinion and we'll have to wait and see who is right won't we. But I can see more frustration, some big beatings but slowly and steadily becoming better and more confident, and eventually surprising a lot of people. One things for sure, the forum will implode a few times a week and I'll waste ages typing 20 times more than is needed with Glasgow asking for a summary.

 

I am far too thick to read through that lot

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Look for Christ sake, we were in League 1 two seasons ago, we have performed fantastically under a bright, enthusiastic, clever, young and ambitious manager with a fantastic team spirit. We have just played three of the top four sides in England if not Europe packed with world class players, and performed really well against two of them. Stop panicking, we will be fine and get a bloody grip.

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couldn't of put it better myself, how are these young managers going to get any experience if they get sacked after a few games , he doesn't become a bad manager overnight it takes time to get it right , look at david moyes everton always get off to a bad start but do they call for his head no cause they can see the bigger picture , there is no quick fix , certainly not by sackjng the manager

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couldn't of put it better myself, how are these young managers going to get any experience if they get sacked after a few games , he doesn't become a bad manager overnight it takes time to get it right , look at david moyes everton always get off to a bad start but do they call for his head no cause they can see the bigger picture , there is no quick fix , certainly not by sackjng the manager

 

this was in reply to adriansfc post

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Golac's Cunning Stunts

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Seems odd to me. Although most things do to be fair.

 

Take a step back, think objectively and pretend you're Cortese, or another football chairman in this situation. You have a manager who seems good but has had a tough start. Do you think another manager would have done better? Maybe, but unlikely, maybe a point or 3 at best, but if Lallana's shot goes in against Wigan it's probably a very different outcome there. If it's then 3 points, 2 gallant losses and one stuffing, I think the vast majority would be happy and optimistic. It just seems too fine a line to be making big decisions. Such a tiny difference between happiness and absolute woe. I'm not criticising anyone for it, it just really confuses me, and depresses me of course.

 

It wouldn't be the first time I've seen a club really harshly sack a manager though. The new man comes in and results improve, with fans saying 'see it was the right decision, look at the change'. Yet how is that fair if the new man gets far more winnable fixtures? It's impossible to say how it would have gone if you'd stuck with the original manager instead, I just think the new manager effect gets a very easy ride. It seems very short term to me, and Cortese has shown he's the opposite so far. I doubt there'd be many rumours if he hadn't sacked Pardew, but by all accounts he really had to. Bringing in a big name manager with his own ideas, staff and new players really doesn't seem to fit in with how things have been run does it. But maybe he will. It would kill it for me, but my love for professional football has become a bit fragile anyway. I've loved the last few years seeing us rise up through the leagues with a good honest team and manager working hard together and improving. Feels terrible now having so many loyal servants slagged off every 5 minutes. Maybe some aren't up to scratch, but we've had countless players who weren't good enough get great support over the years. Benali, Claus, Maddison, Widdrington, Ormerod to name a few, let's be honest they were pretty poor and we took our share of hammerings because of it. But people recognised getting behind them would help and moaning wouldn't.

 

Many fans reaction just smacks of spoilt little kids who've been given far too much too soon. I stupidly, very stupidly, assumed there'd be far more perspective having been out for 7 years, having seen further relegation, financial woe and a rise back up. I thought people would be patient, enjoy being back and support every no matter what. I am clearly an idiot. Already 'the squad isn't premier league class'. Clearly it is, because it's in the premier league. it isn't Arsenal's class, but if you catch a good side on their day, you're in for a beating. I can't say I'm enjoying it but I'm just impatient for the team to show what they can do. There's a lot of quality there that's come out in flashes and needs to be turned into points. It's a long old season but every year without fail, fans of all clubs seem to think form is permanent. Teams starting badly will go down, teams starting well will win the league, players scoring early will keep scoring, players struggling will never be good again. I honestly don't understand it. Most must have seen countless football seasons. I've seen about 20 or more and you have to learn at some stage that things change throughout a season, teams and players surprise you, good and bad.

 

So I'd stick with Adkins regardless. Even if it went wrong, wouldn't it be nice to be viewed as a patience long-term club. Even if we had to go down and come back up, might that not have us in better shape than staying up changing managers each year? If you ditch the people who've done so much for your club every 5 minutes, does your club even mean that much? I look at the likes of QPR who'll probably stay up, and hate the thought of supporting something like that. A new team every 5 minutes, money thrown around with little thought, mercenaries everywhere.

 

Anyway, Saints will be fine. It's just my opinion and we'll have to wait and see who is right won't we. But I can see more frustration, some big beatings but slowly and steadily becoming better and more confident, and eventually surprising a lot of people. One things for sure, the forum will implode a few times a week and I'll waste ages typing 20 times more than is needed with Glasgow asking for a summary.

 

Can you or somebody else please do a management summary of this? I can't be arsed to wade through it :-)

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Couldn't agree more. The Wigan game did my nut in, as did any game last season where we went a goal down / weren't three up at half time. Exactly the same during every transfer window - its like we've suddenly got this sense of entitlement and if things don't go our way we throw our toys out and get on the players backs. It's gonna be a learning curve this season and we will get tonked from time to time, just need to stay behind the team and remember how bad things have been in the recent past, and how awesome the last two years have been!

 

We will come good! Keep the faith!

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Seriously though, I did read through that missive and you seem like a reasonable bloke. However, I think you are very wide of the mark "I'd stick with Adkins regardless. Even if it went wrong, wouldn't it be nice to be viewed as a patience long term club". Well, no actually, I don't really care how we are viewed, I want to be a top team handing out 6-1 defeats, not receiving them. So if Cortese feels a change is needed I will back him. He picked the right manager to get us from L1 to the Prem and I'll trust he will do the same in picking one to get us to the next level if needs be.

 

I also think you have your rose tinted specs on when you say nobody moaned about Widdrington, Ormerod, Claus etc. They did moan, don't you remember?

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I certainly want to give NA a chance but I know Cortese will be looking for an option esp if we lose the Villa game.

 

so the question is who is out there that could take this club to the next level and I'm certain it's not going to be Harry.

 

Pilchards,

 

Harry is the only manager who can do it IMHO. And he's available.

 

The situation this time is quite different. This time there's no Lowe, no Sir Clive, money to spend and potential new investors. Harry's local. He's the best English Premier League manager around and without a job. He's proven and has a right to wrong here that could drive him. But, would he want it? Any slight doubts and he should NOT be offered it.

 

But, I still think Adkins can do it and we should stick with him for consistency, but if we want more Ramirez's, Arry's the man to attract them I'm afraid.

 

What's more, I dont think there are as many anti-Harry Saints fans as the vocal minority may make out. If he delivers results all will be forgiven very quickly.

 

I can't think of anyone else who may keep us up if Adkins is sacked. But, I hope Nigel isn't though!!

 

CONSISTENCY AND A BUILDING A TEAM FROM THE BACK IS GOOD MANAGEMENT, get the second bit right and we stand a chance.

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