Mowgli Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Yes puncheon was my MOTM too. Would start Saturday with the same 11 that finished at Arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Would start Saturday with the same 11 that finished at Arsenal. So you wouldn't start with Rickie Lambert at home vs Aston Villa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 I know a lot of Villas cos I'm living up Birmingham now. They're proper buzzing going on like against Newcastle and Swansea it was like watching the 1970 Brazil team or whatever. This ST holder I work with is genuinely saying this is the best Villa team since 1980something. Was they good then? Bit before my time. Their tactics, apparently, is hunting the ball down in packs high up the field to win it back early. Don't like the sound of that. I don't reckon we like it when they do that. I prefer them to sit back in their half and let us have a go. I said you ain't got a good right winger have you? He's like not particularly, why? I'm like no reason.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 We don't usually do so well against teams that press high up the pitch, Leicester, Bristol City etc. This is because we didn't have any pace last season. Might be a good game to give Mayuka ago. Cheers bear scout, I'll have a word with NA and let him know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 (edited) For me:- Fox out Shaw in. A change is needed, he's the only one we have, the young players were promoted to the first team squad therefore they are good enough. Yoshida replaces Hoiveld - enforced change. Ramirez needs to start. JWP out, harsh I know but experience of Davis wins out. Mayuka in for Puncheon, need more pace. Same formation. Get at Villa from the off, push our defence high, press them high, get the crowd behind the players. With Cork, JWP, Puncheon, Rodriguez we have more than enough options on the bench to keep a high tempo game. Utterly insane. You'd throw a 17 year old for his debut that everyone has decided is the new Gareth Bale despite only a few hundred people have actually seen play, In a game, which in reality is very important we get something from? Like a lot of fnas you're just reacting to the hype around him and not any logical reasoning. There is nothing at all to suggest Mayuka can play out wide, everything seems to point to him being a central striker, including where Nige played him when he came on against Man U. another square peg in around hole if he plays in your formation. I agree Ramirez will start and Yoshida because he has too. However, You're suggesting with give 4 debuts to players one a 17 year old and the other to someone out of position. We have little to no pace at the back so a high line will leave us exposed to being done on th counter attack by pace, Lamberts villa have been described as having youth and Vitality, ie pace and enery, hold a high line we'll be done by that. We need to Streach the game and try to get our passing game going, let them use their energy chasing the ball down and get Lallana and Ramirez on the ball as much as possible. Edited 17 September, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Punch was ok and many far worse....same usual haters who haven'T A CLUE... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Utterly insane. You'd throw a 17 year old for his debut that everyone has decided is the new Gareth Bale despite only a few hundred people have actually seen play, In a game, which in reality is very important we get something from? Like a lot of fnas you're just reacting to the hype around him and not any logical reasoning. There is nothing at all to suggest Mayuka can play out wide, everything seems to point to him being a central striker, including where Nige played him when he came on against Man U. another square peg in around hole if he plays in your formation. I agree Ramirez will start and Yoshida because he has too. However, You're suggesting with give 4 debuts to players one a 17 year old and the other to someone out of position. We have little to no pace at the back so a high line will leave us exposed to being done on th counter attack by pace, Lamberts villa have been described as having youth and Vitality, ie pace and enery, hold a high line we'll be done by that. We need to Streach the game and try to get our passing game going, let them use their energy chasing the ball down and get Lallana and Ramirez on the ball as much as possible. Completely agree about Fox/Shaw, there's no point throwing Shaw in until our midfield start to offer more protection to our full backs. I would like us to find a place for Mayuka somewhere, even if it is out wide and potentially out of position. At the moment when we're under pressure, our only “out ball” is a high ball to Lambert, hoping he’ll out muscle the centre backs. With pace up front we can play balls into the channels (behind the opposition defenders) and switch the pressure to the opposition defence in their own half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbenny Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Punch was ok and many far worse....same usual haters who haven'T A CLUE... I think the problem with Punch stems from his lack of pace and reluctance to beat his man on the outside. A number of times on saturday he got into great positions only to look laboured on the ball. I admit he had a great game against united but he needs to do it week in and week out to satisfy the doubters. On a completly un related note I notice in today's metro that the bet of the day was saints to be relegated! I cant remember the exact wording but they implied that we are out of our depth and clueless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 So you wouldn't start with Rickie Lambert at home vs Aston Villa? That was the one change I did consider but I think we need to try and keep Jay and Rickie both happy. Jay did really well when he came on as Rickie did coming on against City. I think they are equally good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 I think the problem with Punch stems from his lack of pace and reluctance to beat his man on the outside. A number of times on saturday he got into great positions only to look laboured on the ball. I admit he had a great game against united but he needs to do it week in and week out to satisfy the doubters. On a completly un related note I notice in today's metro that the bet of the day was saints to be relegated! I cant remember the exact wording but they implied that we are out of our depth and clueless! Paddy Power Adrian Dunce and Goffy said basically the same on Talksport tonight. If some of our supposed superstars pull their finger out and get started we can prove everyone wrong... I remain very optimistic:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Completely agree about Fox/Shaw, there's no point throwing Shaw in until our midfield start to offer more protection to our full backs. I would like us to find a place for Mayuka somewhere, even if it is out wide and potentially out of position. At the moment when we're under pressure, our only “out ball” is a high ball to Lambert, hoping he’ll out muscle the centre backs. With pace up front we can play balls into the channels (behind the opposition defenders) and switch the pressure to the opposition defence in their own half. I don't disagree with you, but I find him a very odd signing. In many ways what we were crying out for, with pace up front, but in the new formation I just can't see where he'll playor how he'll fit in. Lambert is, rightly so our first choice up top, with Rodriguez been signed as his long term successor IMO. There is nothing to suggest he can play wide, which with our formation and the need to provide protection for the full backs will involve lots of tracking back. So unless we are planning to start playing two up front again or are going to convert him into a wide player it seems an odd signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 we need to beat villa as we are certainly coming away from goodison without a point..they look fantastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Let's get st mary's rocking on Saturday. Sing your hearts out everyone, saints need their 12th man more than ever. Let's put all the debates about who we should signed to bed and support the boys on, there is no point dwelling about it. It's done and we can t change anything about it. I'm sure the defensive boys prefer to hear that we are behind than basically hearing they are a load of crap. COYR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 we need to beat villa as we are certainly coming away from goodison without a point..they look fantastic Yup. That, and the barcodes look very off the pace. Baines, Fellaini, and Mirallas look quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 we need to beat villa as we are certainly coming away from goodison without a point..they look fantastic the weird and wonderful world of football....Newcastle now level after being torn to threads for 45mins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityRanger Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Let's get st mary's rocking on Saturday. Sing your hearts out everyone, saints need their 12th man more than ever. Let's put all the debates about who we should signed to bed and support the boys on, there is no point dwelling about it. It's done and we can t change anything about it. I'm sure the defensive boys prefer to hear that we are behind than basically hearing they are a load of crap. COYR! Absolutely love this post. The Great Escape starts now! We need the old Dell atmosphere back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 I am bringing a couple of Villa fans down with me so we need to win so I can be in smug mode all the way home. I am really looking forward to each game this season and am so happy for my lad who was 10 when we got relegated and is so excited about playing the top teams. Bring it on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Let's get st mary's rocking on Saturday. Sing your hearts out everyone, saints need their 12th man more than ever. Let's put all the debates about who we should signed to bed and support the boys on, there is no point dwelling about it. It's done and we can t change anything about it. I'm sure the defensive boys prefer to hear that we are behind than basically hearing they are a load of crap. COYR! Agreed and can we create a similar atmosphere to that first league win at SMS (1-0 v Charlton?), the tension that day was unbearable (esp. when they hit the post) but the roof nearly lifted off when Pahars (I think) scored a header! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teacher Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 -------------------Davis--------------------- Clyne-----Fonte-------Yoshida-------Shaw Ramirez----Morgan----JWP---------Lallana -----------Lambert-----Mayuka------------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 I don't disagree with you, but I find him a very odd signing. In many ways what we were crying out for, with pace up front, but in the new formation I just can't see where he'll playor how he'll fit in. Lambert is, rightly so our first choice up top, with Rodriguez been signed as his long term successor IMO. There is nothing to suggest he can play wide, which with our formation and the need to provide protection for the full backs will involve lots of tracking back. So unless we are planning to start playing two up front again or are going to convert him into a wide player it seems an odd signing. Agreed, he is certainly an odd signing - one who doesn't seem to fit our current game plan at all. I can't see him playing through the middle, so can only assume we'll try and use him in one of the wide positions. But, like you say there is nothing to suggest he can play there. Can he be any worse that Rodriguez out wide? At least he might try and take a few players on. There's always Lee as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 -------------------Davis--------------------- Clyne-----Fonte-------Yoshida-------Shaw Ramirez----Morgan----JWP---------Lallana -----------Lambert-----Mayuka------------ I think there's as much chance of Guly starting at centre back as us playing 4-4-2! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 -------------------Davis--------------------- Clyne-----Fonte-------Yoshida-------Shaw Ramirez----Morgan----JWP---------Lallana -----------Lambert-----Mayuka------------ Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 -------------------Davis--------------------- Clyne-----Fonte-------Yoshida-------Shaw Ramirez----Morgan----JWP---------Lallana -----------Lambert-----Mayuka------------ Fox is not good enough for the Prem, but Shaw is not yet good enough for the first team. He was a way out of his depth against Stevenage. Both players look a threat going forward, but defensively just don't have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Maybe Mayuka was bought in as a 4-4-2 option? He might do very well playing off either Lambert or Rodriguez when needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenSaint Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Id give it something different... --------------------Davis------------------- Clyne---------Fonte------Yoshida--------Shaw -------------Morgan--------JWP-------------- --------------------Chappers----------------- ---------Lallana-------------------Ramirez---- -----------------------Lee------------------- Fox is being aimed as our weakest link, quite a lot of chances are being taken down our left, lets see what Shaw is capable of. Lets play 2 defensive midfielders and then a box-box midfielder in Chappers (I don't rate Davis that much). Lee has great movement, pace and plays as a lone striker for Japan so he's used to it, him and Ramirez would work well together. Pitty on Punch since he's played well but im sure he would come on as a sub. Changes are needed it's about testing and seeing who works well together, we not seen Lee this season or shaw in action yet, give them ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Fox is not good enough for the Prem, but Shaw is not yet good enough for the first team. He was a way out of his depth against Stevenage. Both players look a threat going forward, but defensively just don't have it. If he was out of his depth against Steveage, why would you play him against Villa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 If he was out of his depth against Steveage, why would you play him against Villa? Where did I say I would? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 I know a lot of Villas cos I'm living up Birmingham now. They're proper buzzing going on like against Newcastle and Swansea it was like watching the 1970 Brazil team or whatever. This ST holder I work with is genuinely saying this is the best Villa team since 1980something. Was they good then? Bit before my time. Their tactics, apparently, is hunting the ball down in packs high up the field to win it back early. Don't like the sound of that. I don't reckon we like it when they do that. I prefer them to sit back in their half and let us have a go. I said you ain't got a good right winger have you? He's like not particularly, why? I'm like no reason.... Now that made oi laugh :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Where did I say I would? Apologies, I miss read your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityRanger Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Kelv Clyne Yosh Jose Fox Morg Davis JWP Adz GR SRL Merry Xmas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 17 September, 2012 Share Posted 17 September, 2012 Kelv Clyne Yosh Jose Fox Morg Davis JWP Adz GR SRL Merry Xmas Yep - this is much more likely I would imagine, but with GR and Lallana swapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 18 September, 2012 Share Posted 18 September, 2012 1 step at a time. We need a point. Of course we want 3, but right now one point will make a huge difference. Not saying we should set our stall out for a draw, simply saying that we should not blow everything in a desperate chase for a win. We were rubbish against Wigan because the fans & players seemed to believe it would be easy and we could get a win - it was the "easy" game of the first three. There are no easy games in the PL, and anything apart from total effort, focus and commitment from the players and fans in the ground and Villa can beat us. We can win but we must not be 1-1 with 5 mins added time and leave ourselves open to a sucker goal by throwing the kitchen sink at them and leaving KD unguarded at his near post...... Substitutions will be crucial as players run out of gas. NA has to show he learnt a lesson against the Mancs (from Mr Neville) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toe_punt Posted 18 September, 2012 Share Posted 18 September, 2012 He's like not particularly, why? I'm like no reason.... What's a "no reason?" You know, the thing that you're like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 18 September, 2012 Share Posted 18 September, 2012 If Ramirez is going to play he needs as much movement in front of him as possible. It's all very well having a player who can pick a pass but you need the players making the runs. For this reason I'd play Mayuka in the hope that he has the pace and movement to get on the end of the passes and create space for others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 18 September, 2012 Share Posted 18 September, 2012 What's a "no reason?" You know, the thing that you're like. Haha someone's just read a Bearsy post for the first time. If you are pulling the bear up on that, you'd better become a full member. 3 posts a day won't be enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 18 September, 2012 Share Posted 18 September, 2012 Kelv Clyne Yosh Jose Fox Morg Davis JWP Adz GR SRL Merry Xmas Cork won't be back then? I'd think he'll replace either JWP or Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 18 September, 2012 Share Posted 18 September, 2012 If Ramirez is going to play he needs as much movement in front of him as possible. It's all very well having a player who can pick a pass but you need the players making the runs. For this reason I'd play Mayuka in the hope that he has the pace and movement to get on the end of the passes and create space for others. Agree - we're still desperately short of pace (look at Arsenal) and Mayuka can play off the right as well as down the middle. Guess its more about combining that with defensive responsibilities as is required under a 4-3-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob40 Posted 18 September, 2012 Share Posted 18 September, 2012 Morgan and JWP in the middle in a 442 would be disastrous.....paper thin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 18 September, 2012 Share Posted 18 September, 2012 (edited) Punch played well in the Utd/City games, but in the Wigan/Arsenal games he was f*cking crap - especially on Saturday. Marking was appalling, found space but ran into dead-ends and lost the ball far too easily. He was at fault several times for letting Gibbs peel off and put in crosses as he was caught ball-watching. Play Mayuka, Lee, Lallana, Ramirez, Chaplow, De Ridder or Guly out wide instead. We're not exactly short of options... Bit harsh on the lad there! He was an unused sub vs Wigan... Edited 18 September, 2012 by Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Saint Posted 18 September, 2012 Share Posted 18 September, 2012 This is a very important game for us we so badly need a win despite us all knowing it was very unlikely we would get anything from UTD City & Arsenal everyone I talk to is feeling a bit worried I can see the atmosphere being a bit flat unless get a early goal. I know it is very early for all this but the next 2 games could well define the season if we beat Villa & Shef weds we can go on & get some confidence however lose both & NA could be on the way out & the season in tatters fingers crossed coys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 18 September, 2012 Share Posted 18 September, 2012 Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 18 September, 2012 Share Posted 18 September, 2012 What's a "no reason?" You know, the thing that you're like. Bearsy writes the funniest posts on here. Always insightful and packed with subtle little jokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 18 September, 2012 Share Posted 18 September, 2012 Using Ramirez and Mayuka effectively will be an interesting challenge for Adkins. They are not typical wingers, they play more centrally but then how we have played recently has utilised players who are not typical widemen and deployed them in a fluid system that encourages them to spread to the wings and deliver the ball. Memories of Rickie Lambert drifting out to the left and right wings in League 1, totally contrary to the all out target/hold up man deployed by Pardew. Adam lallana, a man without pace being used as a left sided winger/attacker. The nurturing of a 4-3-3 esque wing forward type system to encorporate this talent and the usen of our then record signing on the left flank against Man City with Do Prado at the centre forward. It would be no surprise for me at all to see Ramirez and Mayuka used on the flanks of a three way attack. It may defy convention but it seems to be the direction Adkins is taking us. Could it also be his downfall at this level? Only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 18 September, 2012 Share Posted 18 September, 2012 I jokingly suggested that we should play the reserves for the first 4 games and save the team for the start of the season this weekend - turns out we would have had exactly the same points total...although (arguably) the boys have learnt a lot in the last few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 18 September, 2012 Share Posted 18 September, 2012 Using Ramirez and Mayuka effectively will be an interesting challenge for Adkins. They are not typical wingers, they play more centrally but then how we have played recently has utilised players who are not typical widemen and deployed them in a fluid system that encourages them to spread to the wings and deliver the ball. Memories of Rickie Lambert drifting out to the left and right wings in League 1, totally contrary to the all out target/hold up man deployed by Pardew. Adam lallana, a man without pace being used as a left sided winger/attacker. The nurturing of a 4-3-3 esque wing forward type system to encorporate this talent and the usen of our then record signing on the left flank against Man City with Do Prado at the centre forward. It would be no surprise for me at all to see Ramirez and Mayuka used on the flanks of a three way attack. It may defy convention but it seems to be the direction Adkins is taking us. Could it also be his downfall at this level? Only time will tell. True though there are greater reasons to believe that Mayuka (with his pace) and Ramirez (with his trickery) can play in such a system than Jrod. At any rate, I think Ramirez will be played more centrally, Lallana moving to the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 18 September, 2012 Share Posted 18 September, 2012 True though there are greater reasons to believe that Mayuka (with his pace) and Ramirez (with his trickery) can play in such a system than Jrod. At any rate, I think Ramirez will be played more centrally, Lallana moving to the left. The whole set up points towards having Mayuka or Rodriguez as our central forward instead of Lambert. Just think we might be trying to change too much too quickly with the way we play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 18 September, 2012 Share Posted 18 September, 2012 If he was out of his depth against Steveage, why would you play him against Villa? He was actually very ill that day and was laid up for about a week afterwards judging by his tweets. Another reason he was not named in the Arsenal squad. Had only just got back on his feet I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 September, 2012 Share Posted 18 September, 2012 At least get a point on the board ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milton_saint Posted 18 September, 2012 Share Posted 18 September, 2012 Going to my first match of the season on Saturday. Kingsland/Northam Wing section, Block 37! C'mon you Reds! Am soooo looking forward to watching Ramirez play. Hope he can shine on his home debut! Not going to be easy against Villa. We have to take our chances! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 18 September, 2012 Share Posted 18 September, 2012 apparently Villa have sold out of their allocation now, should make it a decent atmosphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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