Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 ...for the way we did business during the transfer? Who identifies the positions to strengthen? Who identifies the players? Who identifies the timeframe? There needs to be an inquiry into this as clearly there are issues with steps in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 ...for the way we did business during the transfer? Who identifies the positions to strengthen? Who identifies the players? Who identifies the timeframe? There needs to be an inquiry into this as clearly there are issues with steps in the process. Give it up, DPS. We had a perfect window and the club did all they could, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 ...for the way we did business during the transfer? Who identifies the positions to strengthen? Who identifies the players? Who identifies the timeframe? There needs to be an inquiry into this as clearly there are issues with steps in the process. Perhaps you should ask NC or NA... Because no one on here knows the truth,despite some posting as if they do,and they will over and over and over............. AN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Damn right people responsible should be identified. Bringing in international talent to strengthen the team deserves praise, especially since both Ramirez and Yoshida are already showing their ability despite coming on part-way through an away game against Arsenal! Since they came on we look much, much better in defence and attack, so praise goes to whoever is responsible for bringing them in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Damn right people responsible should be identified. Bringing in international talent to strengthen the team deserves praise, especially since both Ramirez and Yoshida are already showing their ability despite coming on part-way through an away game against Arsenal! Since they came on we look much, much better in defence and attack, so praise goes to whoever is responsible for bringing them in! ....and this is after both of them playing internationals and flying in on Thursday. Team has done well so far this season, including Wigan - and are showing fight to not give up at 4-0 down. This season will turn out fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 (edited) ...for the way we did business during the transfer? Who identifies the positions to strengthen? Who identifies the players? Who identifies the timeframe? There needs to be an inquiry into this as clearly there are issues with steps in the process. "The search for someone to blame is always successful". Robert Half. Edited 18 September, 2012 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Shearer Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Give it up, DPS. We had a perfect window and the club did all they could, apparently. Hello Captain Hindsight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aura Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 I dont understand you people i know i just joined this forum but why do you rubbish this thread it is a legitimate question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 I dont understand you people i know i just joined this forum but why do you rubbish this thread it is a legitimate question Share your thoughts on the question then, rather than posting nothing of value to the debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Seeing Theo and Chambo, running at us, from both sides, makes me feel slightly sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 I dont understand you people i know i just joined this forum but why do you rubbish this thread it is a legitimate question Because nobody knows except a special few who believe they know better and love the look of their own text so will spend all season saying the same thing over and over and over when all that's left to do now is to get behind the team. Some just love revealing in the blame culture. This witch hunt will continue after each and every poor result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 15 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Hello Captain Hindsight. I identified issues well before the season started. Definitely not hindsight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge_B Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 I identified issues well before the season started. Definitely not hindsight. Well done you, have yourself a biscuit. Apply for a job, we'd be top of the league by Christmas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 15 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Well done you, have yourself a biscuit. Apply for a job, we'd be top of the league by Christmas Just defending myself against someone saying this is hindsight. No need to be so hostile is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Btw DPS, who do you propose conducts this "inquiry"? I propose you should team up with Alpine Saint and report your findings back to this forum in 3 months time with initial findings. You guys have been ahead of the curve all summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Shearer Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 I identified issues well before the season started. Definitely not hindsight. No issue with your original post DPS it was a direct reply to Alpine. From what I have read and heard, Saints have a committee of sorts involving the manager, Cortese and various others in regards to transfer policies and no doubt other areas too. However I think they may have underestimated the need to sure up the defence or thought our current players could make the step up. This so far hasnt been the case - ok it didn't help with the way the fixtures panned out but I think everyone should be accountable from no on for not pushing harder enough for recruits in that area or lining up players if certain deals fell through. Either way they need to sort it out quick but unfortunately Saints cant just buy anyone now until January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Cortese. Adkins identified defenders and a keeper he wanted, Cortese delivered strikers he and Reed wanted. Our CEO was happy enough to take all the praise from our back to back promotions, now he has to take responsibility for not getting in the players Adkins needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Cortese. Adkins identified defenders and a keeper he wanted, Cortese delivered strikers he and Reed wanted. Our CEO was happy enough to take all the praise from our back to back promotions, now he has to take responsibility for not getting in the players Adkins needed. not like you to blame NC... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Just defending myself against someone saying this is hindsight. No need to be so hostile is there? You are proposing a witch hunt against somebody because you cant handle losing to the top sides in Europe. Grow a pair and stop whining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Cortese. Adkins identified defenders and a keeper he wanted, Cortese delivered strikers he and Reed wanted. Our CEO was happy enough to take all the praise from our back to back promotions, now he has to take responsibility for not getting in the players Adkins needed. I feel sorry for you... You really are a nutter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Pointless worrying about it now the team we have is the team we've got. Yes I'd of liked another CB and a decent LB ...didn't happen no pointworrying about it anymore. Nigel just has to get the best out of what he has got and start picking up some results. We've had a tough start lets just hope it gets better from here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Pointless worrying about it now the team we have is the team we've got. Yes I'd of liked another CB and a decent LB ...didn't happen no pointworrying about it anymore. Nigel just has to get the best out of what he has got and start picking up some results. We've had a tough start lets just hope it gets better from here. Good post. That's all that really needs to be said on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Good post. That's all that really needs to be said on this. What about the inquiry though? DPS would like one and who are we to deny him of that if it's in the best interest of the public? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmonton Saint Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 As I have said previously already this season, the abject failure to address the goalkeeping position and centre back position and our generally naivety in our defensive play, means we are going to struggle to keep clean sheets this season, which therefore means a struggle to win games. It's going to be a long hard winter I feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Timmier Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Pointless worrying about it now the team we have is the team we've got. Yes I'd of liked another CB and a decent LB ...didn't happen no pointworrying about it anymore. Nigel just has to get the best out of what he has got and start picking up some results. We've had a tough start lets just hope it gets better from here. Absolutely. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 What about the inquiry though? DPS would like one and who are we to deny him of that if it's in the best interest of the public? We need to get them employed by the club. Alpine, DPS, Dock-p. We'd be Barcelona before we knew it. All our failings would be fixed within an hour. As, of course, it's all so easy to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 You can bang in as many goals as you want but if you can't keep them out at the other end it's likely that we will lose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Well it's not Adkins - h clearly identified the need to strengthen the defence at the start of this summer. It's whoever is actually responsible for identifying and/or signing players. I have a feeling we got promoted from the Championship a season too soon - our scouting system was not ready to identify the players we needed for th Premiership. Added to that I dont think we're any good at transfer negotiations - we seem unable to sign the players we identify anyway. And I think we probably got a bit obsessed with signing Ramirez for £12 million when we'd have been better off spending the money on 3 defenders at £4 million each. Not sure we need Mayuka either! It looks as though Cortese has to take the blame for our terrible start to the season for not bringing in the players we needed over the summer. I just hope he has a plan B for bouncing straight back up next season - as Plan A seems to have failed - and I think it will be too late for us come January to save our season! Do I regret buying a season ticket this season - right now yes given the cost - its quite a lot to pay to see us lose week in week out - and based on the prices I expected to see us strengthen the team a bit more than we did over he summer. Forget about signing Gaston Ramirez - it was pointless spending £20 million on the forward line when we only spent £5 million if that on the defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 15 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 15 September, 2012 You are proposing a witch hunt against somebody because you cant handle losing to the top sides in Europe. Grow a pair and stop whining. Sorry, but what? We could have conceded 10 if Arsenal hadn't taken their foot off the gas in the second half. Stoke and Sunderland both conceded 0 against Arsenal. Sorry if I see this as an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 We need to get them employed by the club. Alpine, DPS, Dock-p. We'd be Barcelona before we knew it. All our failings would be fixed within an hour. As, of course, it's all so easy to do. So simple..... A) sign 2 x undefined "quality premier league defenders" B) dont waste time trying to sign a highly rated young attack minded footballer C) do all your business between 1st-7th July because those signed afterwards will be useless and wont have time to bed in. It's just so simple I'm struggling to see how the club managed to cock it up so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Well it's not Adkins - h clearly identified the need to strengthen the defence at the start of this summer. It's whoever is actually responsible for identifying and/or signing players. I have a feeling we got promoted from the Championship a season too soon - our scouting system was not ready to identify the players we needed for th Premiership. Added to that I dont think we're any good at transfer negotiations - we seem unable to sign the players we identify anyway. And I think we probably got a bit obsessed with signing Ramirez for £12 million when we'd have been better off spending the money on 3 defenders at £4 million each. Not sure we need Mayuka either! It looks as though Cortese has to take the blame for our terrible start to the season for not bringing in the players we needed over the summer. I just hope he has a plan B for bouncing straight back up next season - as Plan A seems to have failed - and I think it will be too late for us come January to save our season! Do I regret buying a season ticket this season - right now yes given the cost - its quite a lot to pay to see us lose week in week out - and based on the prices I expected to see us strengthen the team a bit more than we did over he summer. Forget about signing Gaston Ramirez - it was pointless spending £20 million on the forward line when we only spent £5 million if that on the defence. This is where people assume it's all so easy. Name me 3 defenders who you would have signed at £4m each that would have given value for money? If it's that easy, you should be able to name them. We needed a player of Mayuka's pace, fact. He didn't play today because we had no real need to use him, but that was an area of the team I'd listed as a priority to strengthen. I'm not sure where this myth comes from that we're not any good at transfer negotiations. If we weren't any good, then we wouldn't have snared Rameriz. I think that's simple enough to say. Generally, the players we wanted weren't available for the princes we were willing to pay. Would you have paid over £6m for Dann? I know I wouldn't have, but that's that B'burn wanted. Sod that. People seem to have the opinion that the real world of transfers is just like football manager, and you just send a bid of CB1, CB2, CB3 and it's accepted. done. If only, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 15 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 15 September, 2012 We need to get them employed by the club. Alpine, DPS, Dock-p. We'd be Barcelona before we knew it. All our failings would be fixed within an hour. As, of course, it's all so easy to do. You may all scoff and exaggerate, but we did not sign players for the positions we identified, and signed 2 strikers where we didn't really need strengthening. We needed players in those positions and now we're being punished for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 15 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 15 September, 2012 So simple..... A) sign 2 x undefined "quality premier league defenders" B) dont waste time trying to sign a highly rated young attack minded footballer C) do all your business between 1st-7th July because those signed afterwards will be useless and wont have time to bed in. It's just so simple I'm struggling to see how the club managed to cock it up so much. Sorry, but I feel Ramirez was a quality signing. We were also told over and over that more than 1 transfer can take place at a time, so don't really get that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 This is where people assume it's all so easy. Name me 3 defenders who you would have signed at £4m each that would have given value for money? If it's that easy, you should be able to name them. We needed a player of Mayuka's pace, fact. He didn't play today because we had no real need to use him, but that was an area of the team I'd listed as a priority to strengthen. I'm not sure where this myth comes from that we're not any good at transfer negotiations. If we weren't any good, then we wouldn't have snared Rameriz. I think that's simple enough to say. Generally, the players we wanted weren't available for the princes we were willing to pay. Would you have paid over £6m for Dann? I know I wouldn't have, but that's that B'burn wanted. Sod that. People seem to have the opinion that the real world of transfers is just like football manager, and you just send a bid of CB1, CB2, CB3 and it's accepted. done. If only, eh? If we did sign Dann or any of our other CB targets a side from Yoshida, I wonder what people think the score would have been today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 This is where people assume it's all so easy. Name me 3 defenders who you would have signed at £4m each that would have given value for money? If it's that easy, you should be able to name them. We needed a player of Mayuka's pace, fact. He didn't play today because we had no real need to use him, but that was an area of the team I'd listed as a priority to strengthen. I'm not sure where this myth comes from that we're not any good at transfer negotiations. If we weren't any good, then we wouldn't have snared Rameriz. I think that's simple enough to say. Generally, the players we wanted weren't available for the princes we were willing to pay. Would you have paid over £6m for Dann? I know I wouldn't have, but that's that B'burn wanted. Sod that. People seem to have the opinion that the real world of transfers is just like football manager, and you just send a bid of CB1, CB2, CB3 and it's accepted. done. If only, eh? Buttner for one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCholulaKid Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Well it's not Adkins - h clearly identified the need to strengthen the defence at the start of this summer. It's whoever is actually responsible for identifying and/or signing players. I have a feeling we got promoted from the Championship a season too soon - our scouting system was not ready to identify the players we needed for th Premiership. Added to that I dont think we're any good at transfer negotiations - we seem unable to sign the players we identify anyway. And I think we probably got a bit obsessed with signing Ramirez for £12 million when we'd have been better off spending the money on 3 defenders at £4 million each. Not sure we need Mayuka either! It looks as though Cortese has to take the blame for our terrible start to the season for not bringing in the players we needed over the summer. I just hope he has a plan B for bouncing straight back up next season - as Plan A seems to have failed - and I think it will be too late for us come January to save our season! Do I regret buying a season ticket this season - right now yes given the cost - its quite a lot to pay to see us lose week in week out - and based on the prices I expected to see us strengthen the team a bit more than we did over he summer. Forget about signing Gaston Ramirez - it was pointless spending £20 million on the forward line when we only spent £5 million if that on the defence. A grow a pair. You spineless ballbag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 15 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 15 September, 2012 This is where people assume it's all so easy. Name me 3 defenders who you would have signed at £4m each that would have given value for money? If it's that easy, you should be able to name them. We needed a player of Mayuka's pace, fact. He didn't play today because we had no real need to use him, but that was an area of the team I'd listed as a priority to strengthen. I'm not sure where this myth comes from that we're not any good at transfer negotiations. If we weren't any good, then we wouldn't have snared Rameriz. I think that's simple enough to say. Generally, the players we wanted weren't available for the princes we were willing to pay. Would you have paid over £6m for Dann? I know I wouldn't have, but that's that B'burn wanted. Sod that. People seem to have the opinion that the real world of transfers is just like football manager, and you just send a bid of CB1, CB2, CB3 and it's accepted. done. If only, eh? Vlaar, Collins and Cuellar. Not great, but better than what we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 if heads don't roll after losing at arsenal...then I will write a strongly worded thread on SWF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Sorry, but I feel Ramirez was a quality signing. We were also told over and over that more than 1 transfer can take place at a time, so don't really get that point. There are still some on here who believe that too much time and effort went into the Ramirez deal and that the amount we paid for him meant we couldnt spend elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Vlaar, Collins and Cuellar. Not great, but better than what we have. Fair enough, 3 names - but I don't get that attitude completley. I only want us to sign players that are real quality and much better than we have. (And the club seem to follow the same mantra), Signing average players is when you start heading down the route of a highly paid squad full of Jackbosons and Delaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asaint4ever Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 I hate this forum! full of moaning *****ing tarts! Go get laid and have a beer! im gonna enjoy our time in the prem, and now we have the top 3 out of the way lets take some positive from some of them games. im gonna get behind nigel and the squad! coys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Buttner for one.... Who knows what happened in that one, a very odd setup that transfer. Confident that it wasn't us who cocked that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Adkins. He's got his tactics wrong in every game this season. He's also failed to land players in areas that needed attention and signed crap like J-Rod. Although I suspect the board are also very much to blame for our poor transfer activity. £7m for J-Rod when Fulham signed Berbatov for just over half that amount. I've said it before & i'll say it again. When you go up into the Prem you need players who've been there, even if you only get a season or two out of them. Its all about staying up to start. **** all this building a young squad for the future. Yes, young players are important but you need a good mix of youth & experience. Adkins also said at the start of the season that he felt we had a squad capable of European football. If he honestly believes that then the man is deluded. Ultimately Adkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza82 Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Jeez What if we had started our season against other teams and picked up a draw and a win in our first 4 games and then the next 3 games were Man City(away) Utd (Home) Arsenal (away) and we lost them all, would we still have the same reaction? This is the toughest start for anyone in this league, Maybe we should of got a point against Wigan maybe all 3 but the fact is we didnt so we all need to move on, we have got 3 of the hardest games we will have this season out of the way others still have them to play. Maya looked good when he came on and had some pace about him too so looks like he could be a good signing. Ramirez also had quality about him strong and good on the ball. So not bad signings if you ask me. Also they only trained with rest of the squad on friday. Bring on Villa!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 So simple..... A) sign 2 x undefined "quality premier league defenders" B) dont waste time trying to sign a highly rated young attack minded footballer C) do all your business between 1st-7th July because those signed afterwards will be useless and wont have time to bed in. It's just so simple I'm struggling to see how the club managed to cock it up so much. Exactly! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Hope we are looking at who is available on a free. Craig Gordon and some defenders please... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Jeez What if we had started our season against other teams and picked up a draw and a win in our first 4 games and then the next 3 games were Man City(away) Utd (Home) Arsenal (away) and we lost them all, would we still have the same reaction? This is the toughest start for anyone in this league, Maybe we should of got a point against Wigan maybe all 3 but the fact is we didnt so we all need to move on, we have got 3 of the hardest games we will have this season out of the way others still have them to play. Maya looked good when he came on and had some pace about him too so looks like he could be a good signing. Ramirez also had quality about him strong and good on the ball. So not bad signings if you ask me. Also they only trained with rest of the squad on friday. Bring on Villa!!! Why ???? They have now started to win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 No issue with your original post DPS it was a direct reply to Alpine. Wow, now I get sh*t for other peoples threads. FWIW, a few of us were saying stuff about our defence from when the Euros finished; no hindsight whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza82 Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Why ???? They have now started to win Because they are our next game! They have won one Premier league game. Bring them on i say lets get our first points on the board, Or do you not want them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Who is responsible for the fixture list ? At the moment that seems a more appropriate question than anything else ! Let's calm down and see how things pan out, eh ? With the start that we were faced with, there was always going to be a 'moanfest' from the perennial 'bedwetters' and sure as hell, out they came ! After two consecutive promotions and a couple of encouraging performances against the top sides, I (for one!) am more than willing to give both the team and management a chance to settle and am happy to support whatever they do in an extremely difficult league ! COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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