If Adkins is sacked ...

[The Cat]

If Redknapp came back I'd move my season ticket over to the expensive seats behind the dugout so he could hear every word of the abuse I'd hurl at him.

[doggface]

I really hope Nigel gets it right but if he cant put some points on board soon then he will be toast.

 

If that were to happen then we could do worse than appoint that whore redkunnt, much as it pains me to say it.

[docker-p]

All the talk about Adkins getting sacked !!! If i were Adkins i would walk. He has not had the backing of the CEO during the transfer window to get in the players HE wants, so why should he carry the can for Cortese?

[Saint_clark]

All the talk about Adkins getting sacked !!! If i were Adkins i would walk. He has not had the backing of the CEO during the transfer window to get in the players HE wants, so why should he carry the can for Cortese?

 

Any proof for this, considering Adkins has said all summer that Cortese has been fantastic in giving him the backing he needed?

[Saint Fan CaM]

Any proof for this, considering Adkins has said all summer that Cortese has been fantastic in giving him the backing he needed?

 

Well Adkins has said people have been working very hard - not exactly the same thing. Either the money is not there, or it's been spent ill-advisedly in getting the players needed. I don't think it's Adkins fault - he said early on that they were looking at defensive positions - however perhaps Clyne and Yoshi were always the only targets.

[Matthew Le God]

Either the money is not there.

 

Saints had a net spend of circa £30 million this summer. The 7th highest net spend this transfer window in the whole of European football.

[CLOTH EARS]

As much as people say it would be crazy to sack Nigel after a few games' date=' I think it is highly likely that the pressure will come to bear very quickly if we have a run of 2 or 3 more poor results. Football is tough and everybody wants results yesterday. A hell of a lot of money has been spent on the squad and NC will want a return on that I am sure.[/quote']

 

Ideally i'd like Nigel to be given time, but with the finances that have been invested and the massive finances at stake i think his job will be on the line. Cortese will do the deed if there are poor results in the next two games, i have no doubt in my mind about that. Lose or draw with Villa and i reckon the axe will be out of Cortese's draw ready to be sharpened, if we still have no win after the Everton game then i reckon it'll be curtains for Nigel. FWIW I think Nigel would get it right in the long term but there is just simply to much at stake for Cortese to wait and hope this happens, he will go for an impact manager, in other words a big name, whether or not that would be the answer, who knows?

[lordswoodsaints]

All the talk about Adkins getting sacked !!! If i were Adkins i would walk. He has not had the backing of the CEO during the transfer window to get in the players HE wants, so why should he carry the can for Cortese?

 

What a load of crap,how do you know this?

We have spent big money,it may be the case that we couldn't attract the players needed because of other factors.....my guess is that we are just not an attractive enough club with an unknown manager to attract the players needed.

[Guest flickjax]

What proves we are not ready yet.. That is the dumbest thing I have read on here

 

I said if we go down, i am still confident we will stay up. Learn to read.

[adrian lord]

I think this sums it up nicely. Only disagree about the axe - it is already out the draw and sat, menacingly gleaming, behind Cortese's desk to remind Adkins of his impending fate should results not improve urgently.

[lordswoodsaints]

I can't believe there are so many who would cut their noses off to spite their face.

I don't want Adkins to get the boot but staying in the prem is more important than anything,more important than Adkins keeping his job or redknapp getting the nod.

To sacrifice your premiership status just because you don't like redknapp is madness,i don't really give a monkeys who's the manager as long as we stay up,we have all had enough stress as supporters over the last few years to just throw all of the good work out of the window because of stubbornness and prejudice.

If Nigel is unable to turn it around then it's 'thanks for the good times,there's the door' I'm afraid,he is not bigger than the club and our premier league status......I would hate to look back at the end of the season after relegation and think to myself that we had a chance to do something about it and nothing was done.

I think some of you need to grow up and stop throwing your toys about when you don't get your own way.

Wether you or I like it or not,football today is all about the money and the prem is where the money is.

[SaintRichmond]

Any proof for this, considering Adkins has said all summer that Cortese has been fantastic in giving him the backing he needed?

 

Yes, but that was while the transfer window was still open. As I recall, it went from "we expect two more signings before the season starts", to a much watered down "everyone's working very hard behind the scenes" etc etc

 

The main thing I'd like clarified is .... WAS there any serious attempt to get a Top Class Goalkeeper ???

 

The mindset on this amazes me, I mean, what point is there in buying the most expensive bath with gold taps ...... if then you make do with a second hand plug

[trousers]

Yes, but that was while the transfer window was still open. As I recall, it went from "we expect two more signings before the season starts", to a much watered down "everyone's working very hard behind the scenes" etc etc

 

The main thing I'd like clarified is .... WAS there any serious attempt to get a Top Class Goalkeeper ???

 

The mindset on this amazes me, I mean, what point is there in buying the most expensive bath with gold taps ...... if then you make do with a second hand plug

 

You end up having a shower...?

[saintdaz]

reading between the lines i would say if we don't beat villa on saturday, adkins will go, as when he was interviewed after the keep he said on more than one occasion that villa is a must win game

[Saint_John]

Those suggesting Arry as manager must have short memories. When he was here last time it was well known that the players just stood around on the training pitch waiting to be told what to do (e.g. practice set plays, fitness etc) and Arry spent all his time on the phone (either telephone banking for Rosie47 or calling Agents etc). The coaching of the players was NON EXISTENT.

Also can you see him working with Reed acting as DoF ? or "signing up" to the modern Sports Sciences that the Don insists on ? or bring Youth Team players into the 1st Team ? NO CHANCE.

 

What Saints need at the moment is NOT a change in manager but :-

(a) the supporters to get behind Nigel and (b) IMO they need to bring in a Defensive Coach.

 

As I've said before, AP brought in Wally Downes after a few weeks here, he is now at west ham (3 clean sheets in 4 games) so is not available, but there are others who could come in part or full time to get us to defend as a "unit" and not as "individuals". For example (a) 3rd goal on Sat either the full back or cb should be covering the space as soon as a cb is pulled out. (b) one of the midfield players at the near post should have "stepped in the path" of Van-P so that his run was BLOCKED for manure' 3rd goal and then Jose would have had a clear header away © headers out of our pen area against Skates (Jose), Boro (Hoover), Man City (Foxy) etc SHOULD NOT go out to the D of the pen area but to the wings.

 

Prehaps wGS could come in 2 days a week to work with the defence, or what is Pendrey doing these days, or Joe Jordan or Tony Adams or the other Arsenal defender working for the BBC, or prehaps the Don knows of an Italian coach/defender etc.

There are a number of good coaches around who could do a job for us at the moment to sort out the "Sunday Morning Parks League Defending" that I am seeing at the moment.

[Barry the Badger]

staying in the prem is more important than anything

 

Totally disagree.

[ART]

You've written that like one of those conspiracy theory books; You put forward a rumour and then use it as fact to support the next hypothesis. Clever if your joking. Otherwise.....

 

I didn't survive and successfully conduct business in China for 20 years without learning that things are not at all as straight forward as they seem. The recent conspiracy about the murder of British businessman wasn't as one off as it seemed. It was my ability to read beyond the surface that earned me the nickname of the Fox by Chinese colleagues and business opponents. Without this ability I would never have survived, and, especially in Shanghai, top businessmen from across the world have failed miserably, failing to be able to read a situation.

Even in Europe, the UK, our lives are interwoven by spring pulling and pay backs and favors. He, who thinks, that Obama or Cameron are the top men are naive. Behind the scenes they are controlled and manipulated.

 

Concerning my post, I have maintained right from the takeover, my belief Cortese was convinced of the Saints potential by someone. Throughout, others on here, will confirm I have suspected that being Rupert Lowe. At the same time I recall very well as the hopes of being saved, reached the level of hopeless, that Harry Redknapp issued a statement, that Saints were a tremendous investment, that he had recommended the Saints to a top investor. Almost, within days, Cortese and Liebherr, arrived on the scene. The scenario of Harry is just a supposition based on what I recall at the time. That Harry now is mentioned as being Cortese's chosen option to replace Nigel, lends possibility that it was indeed Harry who convinced Cortese to seek Markus Liebherr's investment.

 

What no longer exists amongst Saintsweb members is the respect and consideration of the opinions, hunches, thoughts of fellow member. I often throw thinking into a discussion to generate fresh input and opinions from others. I refrain nowadays from humor or being sarcastic as some younger know-it-all types have too fragile personalities to see the over seriousness or funny side of a situation.

 

Each full member is equal and has paid to participate in the discussion, yet too often, this is not allowed by bullies who try to restrict the opinions of others. If you don't agree with what is posted, ignore, say respectfully one doesn't agree, reply expressing constructively one's own thoughts.

[Saint Garrett]

Totally disagree.

 

With all the extra money being brought in next season, I'd agree with the fact it is hugely important to our club to stay up.

[jam]

It would be the biggest division of the fanbase ever. I simply don't know how I could continue to support the team in the same manner if he were to become manager; I simply despise everything about the man. I couldn't imagine doing anything but booing him.

 

Then again; Chris Nichol used to get absolute pelters from the home fans on his pitchside walk at the start of the games, so its not totally unprecendented!

 

It's a shortlist of two, the names are Redknapp and Hoddle; what do you do?

[The Kraken]

It's a shortlist of two, the names are Redknapp and Hoddle; what do you do?

 

Go support Sholing.

[Turkish]

It's a shortlist of two, the names are Redknapp and Hoddle; what do you do?

 

Set up FC Saints of Southampton.

[Turkish]

It's a shortlist of two, the names are Redknapp and Hoddle; what do you do?

 

Set up FC Saints of Southampton.

[VectisSaint]

I think anyone who seriously thinks NC would sack Adkins to bring in Redknapp is seriously deluded. He may sack Adkins (hope he doesn't) but no way on earth would he appoint that or any other dinosaur.

 

If he does sack Adkins it will be to bring in someone that fits his philosophy. If he is as ruthless as some suggest (and there is no evidence to say that he is, Pardew was a different kettle of fish) then he will already have someone lined up and it will almost certainly be a foreign (Italian) coach.

[The Kraken]

I think anyone who seriously thinks NC would sack Adkins to bring in Redknapp is seriously deluded. He may sack Adkins (hope he doesn't) but no way on earth would he appoint that or any other dinosaur.

 

If he does sack Adkins it will be to bring in someone that fits his philosophy. If he is as ruthless as some suggest (and there is no evidence to say that he is, Pardew was a different kettle of fish) then he will already have someone lined up and it will almost certainly be a foreign (Italian) coach.

 

A couple of bookies must be seriously deluded.

 

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/southampton-specials/next-permanent-manager

[stu0x]

A couple of bookies must be seriously deluded.

 

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/southampton-specials/next-permanent-manager

These would be the same bookies who had Redknapp as a lock for England manager, when he was never considered for the role. So yes, I guess they must be.

[Wes Tender]

Any proof for this, considering Adkins has said all summer that Cortese has been fantastic in giving him the backing he needed?

 

Docker doesn't need proof. Agenda driven posters just like to stir the pot occasionally. If I had to choose the person on this forum who would be least able to see into Adkins' mind to anticipate what he may or not do under different circumstances, Docker would be high up on my list.

[Secret Site Agent]

Who could do a better job, with those players, and is actually available to replace?

 

Noone springs to mind.

 

Do you mean Craig Noone of Cardiff, but he's only 24?

Or do you mean John Noone, former Southampton Council councillor and SFC steward?

[saint1977]

Those suggesting Arry as manager must have short memories. When he was here last time it was well known that the players just stood around on the training pitch waiting to be told what to do (e.g. practice set plays, fitness etc) and Arry spent all his time on the phone (either telephone banking for Rosie47 or calling Agents etc). The coaching of the players was NON EXISTENT.

Also can you see him working with Reed acting as DoF ? or "signing up" to the modern Sports Sciences that the Don insists on ? or bring Youth Team players into the 1st Team ? NO CHANCE.

 

What Saints need at the moment is NOT a change in manager but :-

(a) the supporters to get behind Nigel and (b) IMO they need to bring in a Defensive Coach.

 

As I've said before, AP brought in Wally Downes after a few weeks here, he is now at west ham (3 clean sheets in 4 games) so is not available, but there are others who could come in part or full time to get us to defend as a "unit" and not as "individuals". For example (a) 3rd goal on Sat either the full back or cb should be covering the space as soon as a cb is pulled out. (b) one of the midfield players at the near post should have "stepped in the path" of Van-P so that his run was BLOCKED for manure' 3rd goal and then Jose would have had a clear header away © headers out of our pen area against Skates (Jose), Boro (Hoover), Man City (Foxy) etc SHOULD NOT go out to the D of the pen area but to the wings.

 

Prehaps wGS could come in 2 days a week to work with the defence, or what is Pendrey doing these days, or Joe Jordan or Tony Adams or the other Arsenal defender working for the BBC, or prehaps the Don knows of an Italian coach/defender etc.

There are a number of good coaches around who could do a job for us at the moment to sort out the "Sunday Morning Parks League Defending" that I am seeing at the moment.

 

Good post John, I've been advocating a new defensive coach with extensive PL experience to help Nigel, sacking Nigel is not the answer. My suggestion was Martin Keown but your other suggestions would be good. Wally Downes wouldn't be an option after AP's departure though. Jason Dood was always a good communicator away from home and his Bristolian accent could usually be heard! However, it would be a pity to disrupt his excellent work in the Academy. Is our goalkeeping support sufficient?

[Itchen_block4]

Adkins is a fantastic manager and replacing him adequately would require an intensive process like the one we undertook to get him here in the first place. We really would be ****ed if we had Dean Wikins in charge during the season!

 

Not being a yes man isn't the same as someone like Redknapp who has all his own ideas and would bring about chaos. A manager needs to be able to work with the chairman and DoF to get the best out of the club, not someone who throws his toys out of the pram if he doesn't get his own way.

 

Talk of getting rid of a fantastic manager after losing to the 3 best teams in the country is absolute nonsense and shows up the short termism that some fans see.

[Turkish]

Adkins is a fantastic manager and replacing him adequately would require an intensive process like the one we undertook to get him here in the first place. We really would be ****ed if we had Dean Wikins in charge during the season!

 

Not being a yes man isn't the same as someone like Redknapp who has all his own ideas and would bring about chaos. A manager needs to be able to work with the chairman and DoF to get the best out of the club, not someone who throws his toys out of the pram if he doesn't get his own way.

 

Talk of getting rid of a fantastic manager after losing to the 3 best teams in the country is absolute nonsense and shows up the short termism that some fans see.

 

Big difference between being a fantastic championship manager and a fantastic premier league manager. Neil Warnock is a fantastic championship level manager, not in the premier league yet.

[The Kraken]

Talk of getting rid of a fantastic manager after losing to the 3 best teams in the country is absolute nonsense and shows up the short termism that some fans see.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hardly any fans are calling for Adkins to get the chop. Plenty are speculating that the chairman will fire him though; two entirely different things.

[Turkish]

There is clearly some tension there and these rumours that all is not well dont come from no where. Someone has said it feels like it did in Pardews final weeks.

[Noodles34]

Saints had a net spend of circa £30 million this summer. The 7th highest net spend this transfer window in the whole of European football.

 

is that true?

[Noodles34]

I didn't survive and successfully conduct business in China for 20 years without learning that things are not at all as straight forward as they seem. The recent conspiracy about the murder of British businessman wasn't as one off as it seemed. It was my ability to read beyond the surface that earned me the nickname of the Fox by Chinese colleagues and business opponents. Without this ability I would never have survived, and, especially in Shanghai, top businessmen from across the world have failed miserably, failing to be able to read a situation.

Even in Europe, the UK, our lives are interwoven by spring pulling and pay backs and favors. He, who thinks, that Obama or Cameron are the top men are naive. Behind the scenes they are controlled and manipulated.

 

Concerning my post, I have maintained right from the takeover, my belief Cortese was convinced of the Saints potential by someone. Throughout, others on here, will confirm I have suspected that being Rupert Lowe. At the same time I recall very well as the hopes of being saved, reached the level of hopeless, that Harry Redknapp issued a statement, that Saints were a tremendous investment, that he had recommended the Saints to a top investor. Almost, within days, Cortese and Liebherr, arrived on the scene. The scenario of Harry is just a supposition based on what I recall at the time. That Harry now is mentioned as being Cortese's chosen option to replace Nigel, lends possibility that it was indeed Harry who convinced Cortese to seek Markus Liebherr's investment.

 

What no longer exists amongst Saintsweb members is the respect and consideration of the opinions, hunches, thoughts of fellow member. I often throw thinking into a discussion to generate fresh input and opinions from others. I refrain nowadays from humor or being sarcastic as some younger know-it-all types have too fragile personalities to see the over seriousness or funny side of a situation.

 

Each full member is equal and has paid to participate in the discussion, yet too often, this is not allowed by bullies who try to restrict the opinions of others. If you don't agree with what is posted, ignore, say respectfully one doesn't agree, reply expressing constructively one's own thoughts.

 

is this for real....?

[Noodles34]

A couple of bookies must be seriously deluded.

 

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/southampton-specials/next-permanent-manager

 

my money is on Le Tissier.

[The Kraken]

my money is on Le Tissier.

 

I did have to chuckle at 500/1 for MLT! I don't think even 5 million to 1 would be long enough odds, I seriously think I've got more chance of getting the job than he does under the current administration.

[Noodles34]

It's a shortlist of two, the names are Redknapp and Hoddle; what do you do?

 

I think the water is well under the bridge in respect of Hoddle. He would be a top appointment. he has the experience, the desire and the ability.

 

What the difference between all the promoted side this year, yeah, West Ham, and they have a manager who has more PL experience of most that are there now, what does that tell you.

[Turkish]

I think the water is well under the bridge in respect of Hoddle. He would be a top appointment. he has the experience, the desire and the ability.

 

What the difference between all the promoted side this year, yeah, West Ham, and they have a manager who has more PL experience of most that are there now, what does that tell you.

 

I find it hilarious how many people slate Sam Allerdyce on here yet he's got a very good record. Took Bolton to top half finishes, and had Newcastle and Blackburn in midtable when he was sacked, both went down the following season. He maybe a knob as a bloke but he knows how to make teams competitve at this level.

[Dig Dig]

There is clearly some tension there and these rumours that all is not well dont come from no where. Someone has said it feels like it did in Pardews final weeks.

 

Maybe they come from the same places/people who claim that the club is up for sale, has no money and are not being supported by the owners?

[MOSaint]

my money is on Le Tissier.

 

Good shout. Benali as assistant?

[saintbenny]

this

[Secret Site Agent]

I know that, and you know that

 

But does Cortese know and accept that ??

 

He is a Businessman, a SUCCESSFUL Businessman, and has posted his colors to the mast about European Competition for Saints

 

Now, he's not on about in a few season's time, he wants it NOW

 

I'd like to think that Adkins will be given say four matches with the NEW aquisitions to get a winning run going, but I have my doubts.

 

(Especially with, IMHO, our shaky defence, and an even shakier GK when under Prem Pressure )

 

We are three years into his five year plan, I would have thought he was happy to wait until then, as long as the plan is in place and progressing. As a business man he does understand that you have to speculate to accumilate, and with us two year early to the prem, we can't get instant success unless you buy the whole first team of Man City and Chelsea.

[Noodles34]

I find it hilarious how many people slate Sam Allerdyce on here yet he's got a very good record. Took Bolton to top half finishes, and had Newcastle and Blackburn in midtable when he was sacked, both went down the following season. He maybe a knob as a bloke but he knows how to make teams competitve at this level.

I might not have worded it well, i am being serious in tha fact that West Ham have an experienced manager, Reading and us do not, and so far, it shows.

It was funny last season when everyone on here went overboard with him, but I think like you, the bloke has done a lot at all (Geordies excepted, though he was only there for 5 mins!) with all the clubs he has been at, he might be a fat t wat that hoofes the ball, but he sitting better than Adkins at the mo.

[Turkish]

I might not have worded it well, i am being serious in tha fact that West Ham have an experienced manager, Reading and us do not, and so far, it shows.

It was funny last season when everyone on here went overboard with him, but I think like you, the bloke has done a lot at all (Geordies excepted, though he was only there for 5 mins!) with all the clubs he has been at, he might be a fat t wat that hoofes the ball, but he sitting better than Adkins at the mo.

 

It wasnt aimed at you. I knew what you meant.More of the clowns who claim he doesn't have a clue and is a crap manager when his record is pretty decent and has been over about 15 years.

[tajjuk]

Those suggesting Arry as manager must have short memories. When he was here last time it was well known that the players just stood around on the training pitch waiting to be told what to do (e.g. practice set plays, fitness etc) and Arry spent all his time on the phone (either telephone banking for Rosie47 or calling Agents etc). The coaching of the players was NON EXISTENT.

Also can you see him working with Reed acting as DoF ? or "signing up" to the modern Sports Sciences that the Don insists on ? or bring Youth Team players into the 1st Team ? NO CHANCE.

 

What Saints need at the moment is NOT a change in manager but :-

(a) the supporters to get behind Nigel and (b) IMO they need to bring in a Defensive Coach.

 

As I've said before, AP brought in Wally Downes after a few weeks here, he is now at west ham (3 clean sheets in 4 games) so is not available, but there are others who could come in part or full time to get us to defend as a "unit" and not as "individuals". For example (a) 3rd goal on Sat either the full back or cb should be covering the space as soon as a cb is pulled out. (b) one of the midfield players at the near post should have "stepped in the path" of Van-P so that his run was BLOCKED for manure' 3rd goal and then Jose would have had a clear header away © headers out of our pen area against Skates (Jose), Boro (Hoover), Man City (Foxy) etc SHOULD NOT go out to the D of the pen area but to the wings.

 

Prehaps wGS could come in 2 days a week to work with the defence, or what is Pendrey doing these days, or Joe Jordan or Tony Adams or the other Arsenal defender working for the BBC, or prehaps the Don knows of an Italian coach/defender etc.

There are a number of good coaches around who could do a job for us at the moment to sort out the "Sunday Morning Parks League Defending" that I am seeing at the moment.

 

 

I like this idea, you only have to look at the improved shape and structure of the Arsenal defence since Steve Bould came in to see that this could help.

 

If a great and experienced manager like Wenger can delegate this sort of role then there is no reason for Adkins to be resistant to this.

[doddisalegend]

It wasnt aimed at you. I knew what you meant.More of the clowns who claim he doesn't have a clue and is a crap manager when his record is pretty decent and has been over about 15 years.

 

Really that adds to the argument that there is a difference between a good champ manager and a good PL manager. Big Sam really seemed to struggle with the championship last season (considering the resources he had) yet has always done well enough in the PL. Like you pointed out Warnock has been a great champ mananger looked totally out of his depth in the PL.

 

Lets hope Nigel can learn quick like Lambert at Norwich last season or he may end up following Warnock back to the championship instead.

[shirleysfc]

It wasnt aimed at you. I knew what you meant.More of the clowns who claim he doesn't have a clue and is a crap manager when his record is pretty decent and has been over about 15 years.

 

To be fair most people complain about his style of play rather than ability as a manager.

[mack rill]

I can't believe there are so many who would cut their noses off to spite their face.

I don't want Adkins to get the boot but staying in the prem is more important than anything,more important than Adkins keeping his job or redknapp getting the nod.

To sacrifice your premiership status just because you don't like redknapp is madness,i don't really give a monkeys who's the manager as long as we stay up,we have all had enough stress as supporters over the last few years to just throw all of the good work out of the window because of stubbornness and prejudice.

If Nigel is unable to turn it around then it's 'thanks for the good times,there's the door' I'm afraid,he is not bigger than the club and our premier league status......I would hate to look back at the end of the season after relegation and think to myself that we had a chance to do something about it and nothing was done.

I think some of you need to grow up and stop throwing your toys about when you don't get your own way.

Wether you or I like it or not,football today is all about the money and the prem is where the money is.

 

At last!! the rose tinted glasses are falling off, Keeping faith with Adkins who lets face it had by far the best team in both your promotion years (and he almost managed to fux it up) could cost you the best part of 70 mill, Next seasons Prem moneys up by 40% Two more bad results and you will be up to your necks in the worst league in the world to play catch up, admittedly you have had a shyt call with your fist 4 fixtures, Allot of peeps saying (thats 3 of the top 4 out of the way) there are at least 10 sides who could easily be top six who will have marked all the new boys down as 6 pointers, You need to get experience and know how to survive in this league n quick

[CLOTH EARS]

The more i think about this the more i think the Redknapp thing may come true. I know many of you hate the thought of it but of all the available candidates his name jumps out at me as the sort of appointment Cortese may go for. If not Redknapp then I wouldn't rule out an appointment connected with Italy neither.....just a hunch.

[Turkish]

To be fair most people complain about his style of play rather than ability as a manager.

 

I seem to recall a lot of people saying he was a sh*t manager before our game up there last season.