supersonic Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Jesus... We have only lost 4 games we've only played 4 games too. 100% record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 I think to make a judgement on the rights or wrongs of wether or not Adkins should be given the boot,we need to look beyond the 4 defeats and the lack of points,we need to scrutinise the fact that we have conceded 15 goals (a few of them being og's),the starting lineups,the substitutions and the tactics and IMO the decisions have been amateur like and sometimes baffling. I think we also need to go back to the second half of last season and although we got promoted we didnt do easily and the cracks began to show towards the end,and IMO I think he would of been shown the door if promotion wasn't achieved. On the plus side we have been scoring goals and we have shown we can compete in short spells,we have also played some good football at times but if we can't stop leaking silly goals then we will be in trouble for most of the season. He deserves his chance to get it right but not at the expense of our premier league status,that has to remain at whatever cost so a time will come when Adkins will get the sack if he doesn't get it right sooner rather later and no matter what we all think of the decision it is out of our hands. I want him to be given a chance but I also want to see us playing in the prem next season and for a long time after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints Warrior Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Would be bad move as a lot of the managers in Prem (ex Prem) are rubbish and just go from one team to the other on big money and have no loyalty. Like the Blackburn, QPR, Bolton, WHU, Sunderland merry go round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 It's completely retarded that we are even discussing sacking Adkins. When the fixture list came out we all agreed we would probably get d!cked and have next to no points at this stage. Yet when it happens people start questioning a manager that has taken us from the bottom of League 1 straight to the Prem. We could have had Moriniho in charge and we still would probably be bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughing now Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 In 1983-84 we had our best ever season finishing second in Division 1 (that was what thePremier League was called before decimalisation). The following season our results werelost-draw-lost-lost-draw-win-draw-draw; just seven points from our first eightgames. What would the bedwetters have made of that? The manager wasn't sacked and we finished in 5th place (whichshould have been European qualification but this was the first year of the banpost Heysel). As others have said, judge our performance after tengames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc1971 Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Poor goal keeper is the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Excellent. That's this thread put to bed then. Thank heavens for reasoned, rational debate - oh sorry; forgot - this is SWF isn't it. Get a sense of humour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Anyone who thinks Adkins is out of his depth, at this moment in time, after 4 games, is a bit of a moron. HTH. HTH? Cheers for that. I was being ironic. Way over your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 I seem to remember Saints starting in Dave Jones first season with 5 losses or something close to that. We ended up finishing 12th (from memory). We shouldn't get too carried away, there's still 34 games to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 I seem to remember Saints starting in Dave Jones first season with 5 losses or something close to that. We ended up finishing 12th (from memory). We shouldn't get too carried away, there's still 34 games to play. We weren't a bunch of bed wetting gimps back then. And I bet we didnt play top 4 sides in our first 5 games then either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan17 Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Dalek The thought did cross my mind :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Poor goal keeper is the problem. Arsenal had 70% possession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 I'm on the fence in the manager's debate. The hysteria does make me laugh though. We used to go an amazing losing runs at The Dell, but always came up smelling of roses. But the rose-tinted brigade who say we always backed the team are talking out of their arses. I remember Chris Nicholl and his team taking terrible stick from the fans, as did the others. It seems like we have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Adkins didn't seem so upbeat about things in the post match interview as he usually is...maybe the reality of the task is beginning to bite. Bit difficult to be upbeat after you have just been dicked. At least we do not have to 'take the positives' as there do not seem to have been many Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 I'm on the fence in the manager's debate. The hysteria does make me laugh though. We used to go an amazing losing runs at The Dell, but always came up smelling of roses. But the rose-tinted brigade who say we always backed the team are talking out of their arses. I remember Chris Nicholl and his team taking terrible stick from the fans, as did the others. It seems like we have Uber fans on here who label anyone with a different opinion a bed wetter. I suppose it makes them feel hard. Sorry for the disjointed post. Sausage fingers on an iPad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Clucking bell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughba Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 No-one better than Adkins who fits in with the 'Southampton Style'.... There is one option.... Guardiola... But if not him.. then no.. keep nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 It's just dawned on me that bar Paul Sturrock nearly every ex Saints manager in the past 15 years is unemployed and available to return should Adkins be pushed out the door. Favorites have to be Glenda and Harry ......LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 No-one better than Adkins who fits in with the 'Southampton Style'.... There is one option.... Guardiola... But if not him.. then no.. keep nigel roberto martinez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 No-one better than Adkins who fits in with the 'Southampton Style'.... There is one option.... Guardiola... But if not him.. then no.. keep nigel What exactly is the "Southampton Style"? Getting dicked 6-1 at the Arse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Adkins interview on Match of the Day sounded like he was begging for his job. I reckon he's toast. On balance he deserves a bit more of a chance, but we have a ruthless Chief Exec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 roberto martinez He has reportedly turned down Villa and Liverpool. Dream on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 He has reportedly turned down Villa and Liverpool. Dream on. Yes,but we've got real ambition remember ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Adkins interview on Match of the Day sounded like he was begging for his job. I reckon he's toast. On balance he deserves a bit more of a chance, but we have a ruthless Chief Exec. Sadly I agree and it echoes those strange comments after the Coventry game. The City and United games offered hope but whilst I'd be cross if Nigel were sacked after today, I wouldn't be entirely shocked either. Whatever happens, one skill Nigel needs to pick up if he's going to to work at the larger clubs in the NPC and definately the top flight is upward management. He should have been putting the club under more pressure over the lack of activity on defenders over the summer and that is what you have to do sometimes to get what you need, even if it causes a bit of short-term discomfort. Personally, I'd bring in an extra defensive coach such as Martin Keown to literally pull Fox and the other defenders into the correct positions in training to help Nigel out to focus on the midfield and strikers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Martin Keown to literally pull Fox and the other defenders into the correct positions in training to help Nigel out to focus on the midfield and strikers. Bingo.....You can't beat experience defenders teaching others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Bingo.....You can't beat experience defenders teaching others. I think he'd be ideal Pilchards because he's articulate and can express his views clearly and relate to players whilst not being afraid to give them a rocket. He was also a very robust defender who wouldn't give you any cheap goals and was tough to play against. Southgate, if it wasn't for his FA commitments, would be terrific too. I remember him at Boro when they went down to 10 with a long time to go at SMS and he literally talked their defenders through the rest of the game and organised them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc oli Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 NA is the best manager we've seen in our lifetime. Our time in the PL MAY have come too soon, but he will eventually be a top 6 manager and we would do well to hold on to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 NA is the best manager we've seen in our lifetime. Our time in the PL MAY have come too soon, but he will eventually be a top 6 manager and we would do well to hold on to him. i love nigel but there is no guarantee he is good enough..... plenty of managers that you would dismiss out of hand have come 2nd in the NPC as for promotion from league 1..that was the bare minimum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Said at 2-0 down that's Adkins gone. Really hope I'm.wrong but we were ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 NA is the best manager we've seen in our lifetime. Our time in the PL MAY have come too soon, but he will eventually be a top 6 manager and we would do well to hold on to him. Utter boll*cks I'm afraid. What about Hoddle and Strachan? Pardew won us our only trophy in 30 years. Take off the tinted glasses, he's done well, promotion from L1 was the minimum. The championship was good. But the nest manager we've seen in our lifetime? Behave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 Poor goal keeper is the problem. One of the problems, but at least we've got Mayuka .. forget defending...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 It baffles me, it really does. It seems we have a Recluctance to sign defenders. Last summer we were crying out for a centre back, and we got on on loan after missing out on our main targets. Now weve got a Jap who looked well out his depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 One of the problems, but at least we've got Mayuka .. forget defending...... what a bizarre signing that is..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 On the plus side for Adkins - a team that can play a decent passing game. 2 promotions, the second of which was an outstanding achievement. Don't seem to have a problem scoring goals. On the minus - errors in all four games so far this season, both with tactics and substitutions. Zero points after 4 games. A fragile defence that aren't great at defending set-pieces (this should be drilled into them), we seem to persist with zonal marking which just isn't working. Difficult one to call. The fixture list has been terrible for the manager, to be fair. The main question I ask myself is will another manager get more out of our squad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 15 September, 2012 Share Posted 15 September, 2012 It baffles me, it really does. It seems we have a Recluctance to sign defenders. Last summer we were crying out for a centre back, and we got on on loan after missing out on our main targets. Now weve got a Jap who looked well out his depth. No complaints how Jos turned out but still think Gorkks would have been the better signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 NA is the best manager we've seen in our lifetime. . Simply, no he isn't. Unless you happen to be two years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 I seem to remember Saints starting in Dave Jones first season with 5 losses or something close to that. We ended up finishing 12th (from memory). We shouldn't get too carried away, there's still 34 games to play. Actually, I think we had one point. The reason I remember is because some wit asked me at the time "what is the difference between Saints and a cocktail stick?" to which he replied "A cocktail stick has two points." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 (edited) NA is the best manager we've seen in our lifetime. Our time in the PL MAY have come too soon, but he will eventually be a top 6 manager and we would do well to hold on to him. I don't know how old you are but he is certainly not the best manager I've seen in my lifetime....lawrie mac,strachan,hoddle even good old Chris nicholl are definately better,Alan ball got the best out of players and everybody's favourite hate figure (not mine) twitchy redknapp are all better. Don't get me wrong Nigel is good,but he lacks in certain areas and unfortunately the things he lacks combined with the shortcomings of our squad are being exploited by teams and if he doesn't learn to compete with what's at his disposal (like lawrie mac) and constantly switch tactics (like hoddle) and get the players fit enough to play the whole game (like strachan) then he will be out of the door. Hes done well to get us here but By a long shot he is not our best manager. Edited 16 September, 2012 by lordswoodsaints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westmidlandsaint Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Just out of interest some of the latest odds Harry Redknapp 3/1 Alan Curbishley 10/1 Alan Shearer 10/1 Claudio Ranieri 10/1 Delio Rossi 10/1 Fabio Capello 10/1 Rafa Benitez 10/1 Glenn Hoddle 10/1 Gus Poyet 12/1 Iain Dowie 16/1 Ian Holloway 20/1 Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 25/1 Pep Guardiola 66/1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 If NC dumps NA, WGS anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teacher Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 If NC dumps NA, WGS anyone. Never go back! Tell me one manager who has had success on returning to a club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disintegration87 Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 I think the problem with sacking Nigel Adkins is that there is only one Nigel Adkins. So if we sack the only Nigel Adkins we will no longer be managed by the brilliant and highly successful, Nigel Adkins. The man who brought us from the brink of oblivion to the biggest league in the world faster than it took me to reach level 18 on Fifa 11 online. Arsenal beat us 6-1. So what, they will probably end up trophyless again this year. Besides, i remember a year ago they too got thrashed: 8-2. We have been beaten by 3 teams who in all likelihood will finish in the top 3 and Wigan who, although we dominated in the 1st half rode their luck and beat us. We have some brilliant players and if Adkins is given time we will ultimately have a very successful season. (Although I feel the need to dip into the loan market for a left back) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Christ. Stick with him for 10 games at the very least. But Cortese won't. Problem is no signings of defenders or keeper during close season. Really hope Cortese didn't hold that back on purpose just to get Adkins out early. Surely not. Any free agent keepers around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 If NC dumps NA, WGS anyone. I think this is not completely impossible. Would be a good PR move by NC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 I think the problem with sacking Nigel Adkins is that there is only one Nigel Adkins. So if we sack the only Nigel Adkins we will no longer be managed by the brilliant and highly successful, Nigel Adkins. The man who brought us from the brink of oblivion to the biggest league in the world faster than it took me to reach level 18 on Fifa 11 online. Arsenal beat us 6-1. So what, they will probably end up trophyless again this year. Besides, i remember a year ago they too got thrashed: 8-2. We have been beaten by 3 teams who in all likelihood will finish in the top 3 and Wigan who, although we dominated in the 1st half rode their luck and beat us. We have some brilliant players and if Adkins is given time we will ultimately have a very successful season. (Although I feel the need to dip into the loan market for a left back) right so in league one, near the bottom of the table, with 4pts, we were on the brink of oblivion....where are we now then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Won't happen. Not remotely Italian enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Just out of interest some of the latest odds Harry Redknapp 3/1 Alan Curbishley 10/1 Alan Shearer 10/1 Claudio Ranieri 10/1 Delio Rossi 10/1 Fabio Capello 10/1 Rafa Benitez 10/1 Glenn Hoddle 10/1 Gus Poyet 12/1 Iain Dowie 16/1 Ian Holloway 20/1 Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 25/1 Pep Guardiola 66/1 No Ron Atkinson and Howard Kendall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 I think the problem with sacking Nigel Adkins is that there is only one Nigel Adkins. So if we sack the only Nigel Adkins we will no longer be managed by the brilliant and highly successful, Nigel Adkins. The man who brought us from the brink of oblivion to the biggest league in the world faster than it took me to reach level 18 on Fifa 11 online. Arsenal beat us 6-1. So what, they will probably end up trophyless again this year. Besides, i remember a year ago they too got thrashed: 8-2. We have been beaten by 3 teams who in all likelihood will finish in the top 3 and Wigan who, although we dominated in the 1st half rode their luck and beat us. We have some brilliant players and if Adkins is given time we will ultimately have a very successful season. (Although I feel the need to dip into the loan market for a left back) That was Alan Pardew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Christ. Stick with him for 10 games at the very least. But Cortese won't. Problem is no signings of defenders or keeper during close season. Really hope Cortese didn't hold that back on purpose just to get Adkins out early. Surely not. Any free agent keepers around? Brad friedel could be available soon,still a very good keeper even into his 40's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 16 September, 2012 Share Posted 16 September, 2012 Benitez would suit the way we need to play perfectly. But no chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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