sotonjoe Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 ... after Saints lose to Arsenal and fail to beat Villa at home, how will you feel? Why start the thread? Because I have a sneaky feeling that Cortese will react quickly to a poor start ( too quickly in my opinion), and that we'll be seeing Adkins out the door soon. I hope I'm wrong, but will we rally round or implode when and if this happens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Sacking Adkins this early would be a monumental error this early in the season. The performances alone against the Manchester sides have been enough to suggest he has moulded a very good team, with some obvious flaws. Which are entirely forgiveable given that he clearly highlighted the need to bring in 1 or 2 centre backs, 1 or 2 keepers and a left back, and prior to now we only brought in one reserve keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Yawn !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Who could do a better job, with those players, and is actually available to replace? Noone springs to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 I would envisage the same sort of reaction that the Pardew sacking attracted. There would be plenty of 'hoo-ha' but give it a few games with a new manager and most people will have switched to short memory mode... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Worse than sacking Pardew really, Adkins has taken us up twice and I quite like his odd style. The only thing that would make it better is if the next day we announce some amazing manager, which on reflection could only really be Pep Guardiola, anyone else would be a bit of a let down. Can't imagine Cortese will sack Adkins without having someone better lined up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Sacked for not being committed to the role after 1 season when failing to get promoted from l1. Or sacked after back to back promotions and turning the entire club around. Not really the same is it. I wasn't comparing the reasons (if it were to happen). I was simply suggesting that the reactions would be largely the same - I.e. initial uproar followed by getting behind the next manager. I'm not casting any opinion on the hypothetical situation posed by the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Who could be better? His whole plan is about stability, steadily building, integrating the academy players, playing good football. Adkins knows the club and players inside out, is a good coach and can improve players. A big name would have their own ideas of doing things, want their own staff and more player turnover. It's pointless. Clubs are praised when change brings short term success, but how often do rash early season sackings bring about long term success? Personally I hope Adkins is here for many years. If you get a good manager, you'd be daft not to back them through the toughest periods. All great managers have had moments they could have been sacked. That's pretty much what I was going for, I really hope there is an allowance for (god forbid) relegation as Adkins, even after a difficult year in the prem, would still be the best man for the job after a year in the champ. I don't really see who else could come in and keep us up if Adkins went and I don'e see who could come in and rebuild if we went down. There always has to be pressure on Adkins to perform, but he should be in a considerably safer position than the media is making out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Who could do a better job, with those players, and is actually available to replace? Noone springs to mind. The Cardiff winger? You're entitled to your opinion but I don't think he's the man for the job. I'd stick with Adkins personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 I would envisage the same sort of reaction that the Pardew sacking attracted. There would be plenty of 'hoo-ha' but give it a few games with a new manager and most people will have switched to short memory mode... I disagree. Adkins sacking would be greeted much more sternly. Pardew started the building process and gave us a winning day out at Wembley, but I really felt very little for him. Adkins has got us promoted twice, and has done it with positivity and a smile on his face. I like him far more than I liked Pardew, and would be gutted if we took the steps to sack him. Sure, if we appointed Pep Guardiola or Jose Mourinho as his successor it would soften the blow, but we'd be stupid to let him go so early in the season. I do think if we're languishing at the bottom come January, Cortese may be tempted to see who's available to replace him, though I hope and think we're good enough to pick up some points once this hard run of games comes to an end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 If he is sacked after losing to Arsenal and Villa then I would be a pit ****ed off, if we were to lose against Villa then Fulham at home, and would have lost 3 home games on the trot, I would start to worry whether he can hack it at this level. But it all depends on how far away point wise 4th from bottom is, adrift by greater than 10 points then NC must do something, the question is, what! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 Another silly thread - bring back Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 OP starts with supposition based on f all and many respond. this place really is full of c***ts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 Sacking Adkins this early would be a monumental error this early in the season. The performances alone against the Manchester sides have been enough to suggest he has moulded a very good team, with some obvious flaws. Which are entirely forgiveable given that he clearly highlighted the need to bring in 1 or 2 centre backs, 1 or 2 keepers and a left back, and prior to now we only brought in one reserve keeper. And a CB. Anyway. Can't see adkins getting sacked but how long do we go, losing bravely before the worst happens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 Sacked for not being committed to the role after 1 season when failing to get promoted from l1. Or sacked after back to back promotions and turning the entire club around. Not really the same is it. It will be exactly the same as your first line shows. The minute Adkins is sacked, the Cult-of-Cortese weasels will go swiftly about the task of junking Adkins great work and record. Just like the sneering at Pardew above. Pardew stuck two fingers up at these twa ts of course doing a bang up job at Newcastle. Adkins will be swept aside and sneered at just the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 It will be exactly the same as your first line shows. The minute Adkins is sacked, the Cult-of-Cortese weasels will go swiftly about the task of junking Adkins great work and record. Just like the sneering at Pardew above. Pardew stuck two fingers up at these twa ts of course doing a bang up job at Newcastle. Adkins will be swept aside and sneered at just the same. Cult of Cortese weasels.... Christ, when did you turn into a 9 year old? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 Cult of Cortese weasels.... Christ, when did you turn into a 9 year old? You know it's true Jamie. We'llbe told Adkins was out of his depth, no club has ever stayed up losing their first 4/5/6 games etc. his tactics were exposed against the top clubs etc. Cortese was right to act. In Cortese we trust, he's not got anything wrong so far and so on. Love the way people sneer at Pardew despite taking us from minus 10 and having to build a team during the season, winning our first trophy in 34 years. All based on what might have been going on based on some totally unsubstantiated rumours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 You know it's true Jamie. We'llbe told Adkins was out of his depth, no club has ever stayed up losing their first 4/5/6 games etc. his tactics were exposed against the top clubs etc. Cortese was right to act. In Cortese we trust, he's not got anything wrong so far and so on. Love the way people sneer at Pardew despite taking us from minus 10 and having to build a team during the season, winning our first trophy in 34 years. All based on what might have been going on based on some totally unsubstantiated rumours. Maybe.... Just if we continue to lose "bravely"... How long will that runs go in for.... 7 games 8 games..... 9 games with 0 or even 1 point? Not that I personally think that will happen.... But that has no bearing on results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 Who could do a better job, with those players, and is actually available to replace? Noone springs to mind. I know that, and you know that But does Cortese know and accept that ?? He is a Businessman, a SUCCESSFUL Businessman, and has posted his colors to the mast about European Competition for Saints Now, he's not on about in a few season's time, he wants it NOW I'd like to think that Adkins will be given say four matches with the NEW aquisitions to get a winning run going, but I have my doubts. (Especially with, IMHO, our shaky defence, and an even shakier GK when under Prem Pressure ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 Adkins deserves at least half the season and Cortese knows how much he has done here and that he buys into the whole ethos of the club. Adkins has done, is doing and will continue to do a superb job and Cortese hasnt really showed a trigger finger yet - clearly Pardew and him didnt fit together but seems Adkins is perfect for where we are right now. Start is slow in terms of points but grest in terms of performances and I think NA will start picking up points soon. Has to, and will stay regardless of the next one or two results IMO, there is too much planning at Saints for knee jerk reactions to be made. Adkins has us playing the most watchable footy I have seen in 25 years of supporting Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aura Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 Adkins deserves at least half the season and Cortese knows how much he has done here and that he buys into the whole ethos of the club. Adkins has done, is doing and will continue to do a superb job and Cortese hasnt really showed a trigger finger yet - clearly Pardew and him didnt fit together but seems Adkins is perfect for where we are right now. Start is slow in terms of points but grest in terms of performances and I think NA will start picking up points soon. Has to, and will stay regardless of the next one or two results IMO, there is too much planning at Saints for knee jerk reactions to be made. Adkins has us playing the most watchable footy I have seen in 25 years of supporting Saints. Half the season... We could be looking straight in the eyes of relegation by then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 Half a season...... If we are come game 18 with say 10 points then we are down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 Half the season... We could be looking straight in the eyes of relegation by then I don't see a Manager who could come and do a better job than Adkins, can you? We have played really well so far, with the toughest start the fixtures could realistically have given us. Two successive promotions IMO says Adkins deserves a chance, and at least 15 games to show that he can keep us in this league. Our whole way of playing which has been widely praised is based on NA and I don't see what the point would be in getting rid of him. How would people be reacting if he had lost 6-0 to both Manchester clubs? Kill Adkins? I am confident we will get better as the season progresses and IMO if we got rid of NA it would make us more likely to go down, not less. Any Saints fan that thinks Adkins only deserves 6 or 7 games in the Prem to prove himself (with 3 against Arsenal, City and United) is an ungrateful fool IMO (and probably the types that will suggest Phil Brown or Mick McCarthy as an ideal replacement). *facepalm* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 Half a season...... If we are come game 18 with say 10 points then we are down Again, can only base on what we have seen so far but would imagine we will have more than 10points from 18games. Anything upwards of 15points from 18 would give us a good chance of survival if we kick on in the second half of the season. Probably need 38points to stay up - a point a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 I don't see a Manager who could come and do a better job than Adkins, can you? We have played really well so far, with the toughest start the fixtures could realistically have given us. Two successive promotions IMO says Adkins deserves a chance, and at least 15 games to show that he can keep us in this league. Our whole way of playing which has been widely praised is based on NA and I don't see what the point would be in getting rid of him. How would people be reacting if he had lost 6-0 to both Manchester clubs? Kill Adkins? I am confident we will get better as the season progresses and IMO if we got rid of NA it would make us more likely to go down, not less. Any Saints fan that thinks Adkins only deserves 6 or 7 games in the Prem to prove himself (with 3 against Arsenal, City and United) is an ungrateful fool IMO (and probably the types that will suggest Phil Brown or Mick McCarthy as an ideal replacement). *facepalm* What saints fan thinks that.... Some are just trying to 2nd guess NC. As for not doing a better job..... But of a daft questions really. No one thought adkins would do a better job than Pardew at saints.... But he has.. Matters not. I think we will start to pick up points next weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_John Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 ANOTHER bedwetting thread. We have an UNBALANCED fixture list this season. The important fixtures are the eight Home games this year :- Villa, Fulham, Spurs (3 days after away Europa game), Swansea, Newcastle (3 days after Europa game), Norwich, Reading and Sunderland. All 8 are winnable, but I will go for 5-2-1 (17pts) plus a few from away games should leave us in mid table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 I would envisage the same sort of reaction that the Pardew sacking attracted. There would be plenty of 'hoo-ha' but give it a few games with a new manager and most people will have switched to short memory mode... Exactly..... a few weeks of people getting upset and then assuming his replacement does a good job everyone will just carry on as if nothing happened. Someone will start a rumour that NA was sacked for having it away with some players misses...and everyone will say what a great job NC did getting rid of him. Nigel will get a job at another PL side and take them top 6........... There is little loyalty in football and those fans down at SMS who boo Guly and scream at players to "boot it" will quickly forget Nigel for the new improved model.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 Sacking Adkins this early would be a monumental error this early in the season. The performances alone against the Manchester sides have been enough to suggest he has moulded a very good team, with some obvious flaws. Which are entirely forgiveable given that he clearly highlighted the need to bring in 1 or 2 centre backs, 1 or 2 keepers and a left back, and prior to now we only brought in one reserve keeper. Agree with this in principle, but I have concerns : Who is responsible for our failure to reinforce the defence ? NA or NC ? NA did screw up the Manyoo game with those subs Why did we play so badly against Wigan ? We have to view those sort of games as our bread-and-butter this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 cross bridge when we come to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 Agree with this in principle, but I have concerns : Who is responsible for our failure to reinforce the defence ? NA or NC ? NA did screw up the Manyoo game with those subs Why did we play so badly against Wigan ? We have to view those sort of games as our bread-and-butter this season He's only staying loyal to our championship players, like you said we should. Does this not go for the manager as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 Saints could easily have got points from each of the first 3 games this season so it's really a bit early to sound panic stations. Adkins is well aware that his job is to get results and he will have identified defensive frailties. If he fails to do something about that then he knows he'll be heading for the door in short order given the amount spent so far. I'd give him October to see where we are. If we're still looking up from the bottom at that time then action could be justified. In the meantime I'm feeling positive. A point tomorrow and an easy win next week would makes us feel more comfy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 Saints could easily have got points from each of the first 3 games this season so it's really a bit early to sound panic stations. Adkins is well aware that his job is to get results and he will have identified defensive frailties. If he fails to do something about that then he knows he'll be heading for the door in short order given the amount spent so far. I'd give him October to see where we are. If we're still looking up from the bottom at that time then action could be justified. In the meantime I'm feeling positive. A point tomorrow and an easy win next week would makes us feel more comfy. I think the days of easy wins are behind us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 ... after Saints lose to Arsenal and fail to beat Villa at home, how will you feel? Why start the thread? Because I have a sneaky feeling that Cortese will react quickly to a poor start ( too quickly in my opinion), and that we'll be seeing Adkins out the door soon. I hope I'm wrong, but will we rally round or implode when and if this happens? How will I feel if he is sacked,certainly not surprised. hes done his job,got us to the premier league,was he ever the man to keep us there...? I always had my doubts. once we arrived in the top flight,cracks have started to appear,and they are slowly widening. should we pick up some points,and quickly,he does deserve to remain at the helm,for a while longer. As for Pardew,he did a Stirling job,picking the club up and rebuilding it when arguably were we're at the lowest point in our history....he set the path for our return so swiftly. i would have preferred him leading us into this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 How will I feel if he is sacked,certainly not surprised. hes done his job,got us to the premier league,was he ever the man to keep us there...? I always had my doubts. once we arrived in the top flight,cracks have started to appear,and they are slowly widening. should we pick up some points,and quickly,he does deserve to remain at the helm,for a while longer. As for Pardew,he did a Stirling job,picking the club up and rebuilding it when arguably were we're at the lowest point in our history....he set the path for our return so swiftly. i would have preferred him leading us into this season. Hello snake, you been in hiding long whilst you wait for another NA thread to come along so you can have another little attack? I'm glad you've shared the above though, Im sure the whole board have been ignorant to your NA quotes over the last 2 years. I did seem to remember your last one being much more to the point and vindictive though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 I think we should discuss who will replace the replacement when ultimately gets the sack. Any likely candidates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 I think we should discuss who will replace the replacement when ultimately gets the sack. Any likely candidates? Phil Brown, Mick McCarthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 What saints fan thinks that.... Some are just trying to 2nd guess NC. As for not doing a better job..... But of a daft questions really. No one thought adkins would do a better job than Pardew at saints.... But he has.. Matters not. I think we will start to pick up points next weekend 2nd guessing is all Saint Charlie is doing as well though but I do share his sentiments. Sacking NA early in the season would be a travesty and is contradictory to everything which the playing side of the club is based on....long term planning and attention to detail. Other than a few dodgey rumours doing the rounds, i've seen nothing to suggest that NA wont be giving time and if he does go, I would lose a huge amount of respect for NC regardless of who would be a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 Phil Brown, Mick McCarthy. Alan Curbishley and Billy Davies are both still out of work and would walk to St Marys IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 Phil Brown, Mick McCarthy. Phil Brown is being lined by Conventry apparently.....Andy Thorn is avaliable though could make us into the next crazy gang:lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 Is Sven still out work....... How about that bloke at Newcastle he seems to be doing alright on a budget.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 Hello snake, you been in hiding long whilst you wait for another NA thread to come along so you can have another little attack? I'm glad you've shared the above though, Im sure the whole board have been ignorant to your NA quotes over the last 2 years. I did seem to remember your last one being much more to the point and vindictive though The fact that we have had a fair few threads/comments questioning some of the decisions made by Nigel Adkins of late surely shows that quite possibly I was right to be comfortable in my belief that I was not 100% confident he was the man for the long term. but as many have stated,the start we have been given is attrocious, due to the fixture list. The Wigan game and those that will follow against sides we should really be busting a gut to get something out of will be very telling. throughout his tenure,we have fallen short in games that have been crucial,now every game is crucial. thanks to him we climbed the lower leagues,shame we never had a champions tag along with it. Play the post,not the person that posts it. my last two post are reasonable and valid.imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 How can we have consistently fallen short in crucial games if we have had back to back promotions? Surely this proves the opposite, that in fact we consistently won crucial games hence gaining enough points over two seasons to get back to the premier league? I wouldn't read too much into the bedwetting about Adkins subs too much and this doesnt vindicate that what you have been spouting off ever since his appointment. You said he was in over head in league 1 and then again in the Championship when he would come up against managerial masterminds like Paul Jewell who would find him out. So dont start claiming now that you were merely pointing out all along that we would only be the wrong choice for the Prem because that would again only serve to make you out to be very serpent like. Anyway, see you in about month on another NA themeed thread. You can copy and paste special what you have originally written on this thread, will save you a bit of time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 Sack him if we aren't in the Premier League at the end of the five year plan two years from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 Sack him if we aren't in the Premier League at the end of the five year plan two years from now. Bit daft... Do you think he should have remained if he failed twice with promotion from league 1.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 throughout his tenure,we have fallen short in games that have been crucial,now every game is crucial. Completely agree. For example... When we went to the Withdean and lost in the run-in at the end of the Leauge 1 season. When we lost to Walsall on the last da of that season therefore missing out on promotion. When we opened the next season with a home defeat to Leeds, setting us off on the wrong foot. When we lost to West Ham at home last season, a game that ultimately led to us missing out on promtotion again. When we got slaughtered by Coventry 4-0 when a win would've secured promotion. What planet are you on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 Bit daft... Do you think he should have remained if he failed twice with promotion from league 1.? FFS, He has won two promotions, is two years ahead of the plan and deserves the chance to take us forward. Relegation if it happens isn't the end of the world, provided he wins subsequent promotion he shouldn't be sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 Most bookies have a book open on the Next Saints Permanent manager. Lump on Benitez IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 FFS, He has won two promotions, is two years ahead of the plan and deserves the chance to take us forward. Relegation if it happens isn't the end of the world, provided he wins subsequent promotion he shouldn't be sacked. This. It wont be like that though. NC will replace him this season if he feels we are coming adrift. I do hope NA has learnt something from the Manyoo game though, even if it is only about required fitness levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 I think tdd wants Adkins OUT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 I think tdd wants Adkins OUT! Do I feck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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