alpine_saint Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 About to be taken over by EADS, meaning the UK loses most of its independent defence manuafacturing capability , one of its most important manufacturers in any case, and a lot of the depth and intimacy of the UK-US defence co-operation will be lost. Oh, and a lot of legendary names from fighting the Germans and keeping the nation safe since then such as Supermarine, Hawker (Siddeley), Blackburn, English Electric, DeHavilland, Vickers, Avro, etc, become majority owned by the French and Germans. The government has the golden share to block this in the national interest, but I am guess the spinless tw*ts that run this country will bottle it. They must have already given this an informal OK for the discussions to get as far as they have. Then watch the shareholders and board members run off into the sunset with massive briefcases spilling money out of the side, as Britain sells off the final piece of family silver... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Rant rant rant rant rant Do you do anything other It does not effect you anyway up in the mountains of austria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 13 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Rant rant rant rant rant Do you do anything other It does not effect you anyway up in the mountains of austria Do you have a reaction to this, or does it just present you with another chance to have a pop ? Your continual abuse of me is getting obsessive, childish and pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Rant rant rant rant rant Do you do anything other It does not effect you anyway up in the mountains of austria Ironic isnt it? Alpine has decided to move to Austria for his own money related and personal benefit reasons (nothing wrong with that btw) but goes apopletic when as British company looks at a European tie up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Britain needs to look after it's best interests. Bring Alpine Saint back from Austria! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 13 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Ironic isnt it? Alpine has decided to move to Austria for his own money related and personal benefit reasons (nothing wrong with that btw) but goes apopletic when as British company looks at a European tie up. Right, so it seems having a go at me is more interesting that the possibility of another massive nail being driven into the UKs coffin... Symptomatic of the obsession with self that preoccupies the UK nowadays. Glad I left, but mourning for days gone by... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Right, so it seems having a go at me is more interesting that the possibility of another massive nail being driven into the UKs coffin... Symptomatic of the obsession with self that preoccupies the UK nowadays. Glad I left, but mourning for days gone by... Not having a go at you. Nothing wrong with moving to Austria. Nothing wrong with exploring a merger with EADS. Its not the world of every country being able to support 6 or 8 aircraft manufacturers anymore, and hasnt been for 65 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 13 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Not having a go at you. Nothing wrong with moving to Austria. Nothing wrong with exploring a merger with EADS. Its not the world of every country being able to support 6 or 8 aircraft manufacturers anymore, and hasnt been for 65 years. I agree, but the idea of those names being foreign owned is absolutely appaling. Do you think that the UKs only large defence contractor should be independent (or state owned), or at least any foreign interest should come from our closest defence partner of the last century (the US) with which the company has HUGE contracts and projects ? The US could theoretically pull all projects involving BAE if this goes through, which would probably kill the company financially anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 The hard truth is that whatever the ownership arrangements are, the era of the European designed and produced manned fighter aircraft is coming to its end. Once Eurofighter, Gripen, and Rafale have gone the way of all flesh then there is no other equivalent aircraft programme in prospect to replace them. We can thank our lucky stars we still have a piece of the F35 JSF action I suppose. All I can see happening is a joint European programme to develop a range of unmanned UCAV types - drone aircraft in other words. Such a project would be relativly small in scale and many years away by the look of it. So are more job losses on their inevitable way in our aerospace industry ? Oh yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 I see it as a positive move. Large aviation projects are beyond the scope of most individual nations. The devil will be in the detail. How much will remain British? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 13 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2012 The hard truth is that whatever the ownership arrangements are, the era of the European designed and produced manned fighter aircraft is coming to its end. Once Eurofighter, Gripen, and Rafale have gone the way of all flesh then there is no other equivalent aircraft programme in prospect to replace them. We can thank our lucky stars we still have a piece of the F35 JSF action I suppose. All I can see happening is a joint European programme to develop a range of unmanned UCAV types - drone aircraft in other words. Such a project would be relativly small in scale and many years away by the look of it. So are more job losses on their inevitable way in our aerospace industry ? Oh yes. That action will be lost largely (except the Rolls Royce stuff) if this takeover goes ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 13 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2012 I see it as a positive move. Large aviation projects are beyond the scope of most individual nations. The devil will be in the detail. How much will remain British? EADS will take the knowledge and shut down the manufacturing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaford Saint Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Like it or not this is capitalism....I don't like it one bit...we should never sell this firm to anyone, co-operation is one thing but selling out is something quite different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 About to be taken over by EADS, meaning the UK loses most of its independent defence manuafacturing capability , one of its most important manufacturers in any case, and a lot of the depth and intimacy of the UK-US defence co-operation will be lost. Oh, and a lot of legendary names from fighting the Germans and keeping the nation safe since then such as Supermarine, Hawker (Siddeley), Blackburn, English Electric, DeHavilland, Vickers, Avro, etc, become majority owned by the French and Germans. The government has the golden share to block this in the national interest, but I am guess the spinless tw*ts that run this country will bottle it. They must have already given this an informal OK for the discussions to get as far as they have. Then watch the shareholders and board members run off into the sunset with massive briefcases spilling money out of the side, as Britain sells off the final piece of family silver... Already have - sold up as soon as I heard, before the Eu come along and scupper it. Go me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 13 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Like it or not this is capitalism....I don't like it one bit...we should never sell this firm to anyone, co-operation is one thing but selling out is something quite different For me, this one, plus the sale of Cadburys, are the ones that have happened in recent years that REALLY hurt. Fighter planes and chocolate, who would have known they have something in commmon ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Fighter planes and chocolate, who would have known they have something in commmon ? Sometimes, I have been known to say that I would kill for a chocolate bar... Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 For me, this one, plus the sale of Cadburys, are the ones that have happened in recent years that REALLY hurt. Fighter planes and chocolate, who would have known they have something in commmon ? Alpine, its the way of world, it's happened, we have mourned the loss, time to move on....... PS I am paraphrasing your entrenched stance on the Hillsborough thread. So you are either wrong there or think a Chocolate bar has more emotional value than family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 13 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Alpine, its the way of world, it's happened, we have mourned the loss, time to move on....... PS I am paraphrasing your entrenched stance on the Hillsborough thread. So you are either wrong there or think a Chocolate bar has more emotional value than family. Sarcastic sneering from a mod. So much for setting an example. I'll leave it up to you if you think spending a couple of hours dwelling on national decline is overkill, considering Hillsborough hasnt been left in peace for quarter of a century... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Sarcastic sneering from a mod. So much for setting an example. I'll leave it up to you if you think spending a couple of hours dwelling on national decline is overkill, considering Hillsborough hasnt been left in peace for quarter of a century... Not at all, just pointing out the inconsistencies in your position. British industry has been in decline for a lot longer than quarter of a century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 A country as small as Britain just cannot support an independant aircraft manufacturer any more. It's not just UK companies, Aerospatiale, CASA, Fokker etc. are all gone. SAAB are still around but wont be building anything new. Even large companies back by wealthy governments in Russia and US couldn't stay afloat. McDonnell Douglas were bought out by Boeing. Ilyushin, Tupolev, Yakolev and a few other Russian manufacturers are all being merged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 14 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 14 September, 2012 A country as small as Britain just cannot support an independant aircraft manufacturer any more. It's not just UK companies, Aerospatiale, CASA, Fokker etc. are all gone. SAAB are still around but wont be building anything new. Even large companies back by wealthy governments in Russia and US couldn't stay afloat. McDonnell Douglas were bought out by Boeing. Ilyushin, Tupolev, Yakolev and a few other Russian manufacturers are all being merged. I quite agree. But BAE Systems is one of the biggest left, and has its fingers in many pies, so I expected it to remain independent, or at worst expected it to merge with a similar US firm like Lockheed Martin, since it has much more future work currently running in the US than in Europe, especially since getting rid of its share of Airbus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 10 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 10 October, 2012 Hopefully this takeover is about to die horribly today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindsorSaint Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 Hopefully this takeover is about to die horribly today. Looks like it... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19897699 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 That will upset some of the bosses. They'll have to cancel all those boats and cars that they've ordered now they won't get their windfalls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 10 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 10 October, 2012 That will upset some of the bosses. They'll have to cancel all those boats and cars that they've ordered now they won't get their windfalls. Icing on the cake. I remember how those tw*ts at the top of Cadburys made a fortune each after throwing the company to Kraft. I fully expect some sort of hook-up between BAE Systems and Boeing to occur now. Thank heavens for German intransigence.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 Already have - sold up as soon as I heard, before the Eu come along and scupper it. Go me. Didn't think they would knacker the deal that quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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