Mr X Posted 12 September, 2012 Share Posted 12 September, 2012 I feel having already dropped nine points we need a result at arsenal even if its a point to at least give us that all important first point on the board, statistics show no promoted team has stayed up having lost the first three games of the season in the premiership, would losing four give us a mountain to climb? How important is the arsenal game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 12 September, 2012 Share Posted 12 September, 2012 I think it's fair to say that a win will be better than a draw and a draw will be better than a defeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vince Posted 12 September, 2012 Share Posted 12 September, 2012 I feel having already dropped nine points we need a result at arsenal even if its a point to at least give us that all important first point on the board, statistics show no promoted team has stayed up having lost the first three games of the season in the premiership, would losing four give us a mountain to climb? How important is the arsenal game? Whats the stats on promoted teams who have played last years top 2 in their first 3 games? 3 of our first 4 games were "bonus" games - anything you get out of them was extra. Wigan may well prove to be a very good side this year, although we didn't play well that day (I did go). Lets see where we are after 10 games, that will be a better reflection. On the plus side of our fixtures, aren't the last 7 games about as good as you would of hoped for as a promoted side? Swings and roundabouts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 12 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 12 September, 2012 Whats the stats on promoted teams who have played last years top 2 in their first 3 games? 3 of our first 4 games were "bonus" games - anything you get out of them was extra. Wigan may well prove to be a very good side this year, although we didn't play well that day (I did go). Lets see where we are after 10 games, that will be a better reflection. On the plus side of our fixtures, aren't the last 7 games about as good as you would of hoped for as a promoted side? Swings and roundabouts... heres the last ten fixtures all games where we'd have more of a chance id say but then i expected to beat wigan [TABLE=class: fullwidth] [TR] [/TR] [TR] [TD=class: cent, align: center]09 Mar 2013[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]15:00[/TD] [TD]Norwich City[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Away[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Premier League[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=class: cent, align: center]16 Mar 2013[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]15:00[/TD] [TD]Liverpool[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Home[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Premier League[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=class: cent, align: center]30 Mar 2013[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]15:00[/TD] [TD]Chelsea[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Home[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Premier League[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=class: cent, align: center]06 Apr 2013[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]15:00[/TD] [TD]Reading[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Away[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Premier League[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=class: cent, align: center]13 Apr 2013[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]15:00[/TD] [TD]West Ham United[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Home[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Premier League[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=class: cent, align: center]20 Apr 2013[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]15:00[/TD] [TD]Swansea City[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Away[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Premier League[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=class: cent, align: center]27 Apr 2013[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]15:00[/TD] [TD]West Bromwich Albion[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Home[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Premier League[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=class: cent, align: center]04 May 2013[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]15:00[/TD] [TD]Tottenham Hotspur[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Away[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Premier League[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=class: cent, align: center]12 May 2013[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]15:00[/TD] [TD]Sunderland[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Away[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Premier League[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=class: cent, align: center]19 May 2013[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]15:00[/TD] [TD]Stoke City[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Home[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Premier League [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 12 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 12 September, 2012 Three big teams in that list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 12 September, 2012 Share Posted 12 September, 2012 The performance is more important than the result. As long as we play at or above the level vs. the Manc clubs I'm happy. Take the game in isolation and we'd all be happy with a cracking display and narrow loss v. Arse. Next match is MASSIVE however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vince Posted 12 September, 2012 Share Posted 12 September, 2012 I did say the last seven, and I'd only count Spurs away as a big team in that - being greatly disrespectful to everyone else in that list, I grant you!! But in the spirit of a debate, I looked at the first 4 fixtures and thought Wigan at home was the only real chance of a win, anything else from the others was a bonus. We have played well against the 2 Manchester sides and it is more of a disappointment that we were in a position to take points but ultimately didn't fro those two games and a greater disappointment that we didn't play as well against Wigan and lost. However, I don't feel Wigan will be a lower third team this year, so losing at home to Reading/West Ham would be more of a disaster to me in that respect. If we're after our usual finishing position this season, then we can't afford to drop too many more points from here on in - :^) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisp Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 I think we always had to assume 0 points from the emirates. But you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Points would be amazing, but realistically we just need a good performance where we don't drop off like we did against United. Any points would be a luxury for this game, what we need is a good performance from the team that is sustained for the full 90 mins. Get that properly under our belts for Villa at home and Fulham who we MUST take 6 points from (with Everton away being something we would like to win but should ideally take a point form) to get the season moving in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aura Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 I dont expect us to get anything from this game but if we did it would be great but the villa game if we dont win that we are going down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Dont know how you think we've dropped 9 points. Two of the teams will be in the top 3 at the end of the season, and most likely all relegation contenders will lose those two corresponding fixtures. Same could be said for Arsenal home too, therefore. Personally reckon we can pick something up, but dont view it as critical. No, the only match where we screwed the pooch was Wigan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 I think it's fair to say that a win will be better than a draw and a draw will be better than a defeat. I think we always had to assume 0 points from the emirates. But you never know. I tend to agree with both these comments. I expect nothing from this game, would be pleased with a point & would be overjoyed with three points! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 (edited) Yes, if only to take some pressure off of Nigel for I fear that should we lose at the Emirates and then at home against Villa NC may just overeact . 4 consecutive losses is nothing to be complacent about and 5 would probably be one too many. Bearing in mind that against Citeh and Utd we got ourselves into good positions and then lost, may be seen as gross error from the manager. Edited 13 September, 2012 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 If we lose here and lose at home to villa... Nigel will be in hot water Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 If we lose here and lose at home to villa... Nigel will be in hot water do they have hot tubs down at the JobCentre? Reckon he's already on the brink myself, if only for the subs against Utd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 do they have hot tubs down at the JobCentre? Reckon he's already on the brink myself, if only for the subs against Utd. Dont reckon he's on the brink, but I would be very surprised if doubts didnt start in NCs mind over those subs. losses at Arsenal and Villa may well be the tipping point, I'll concede. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Dont reckon he's on the brink, but I would be very surprised if doubts didnt start in NCs mind over those subs. losses at Arsenal and Villa may well be the tipping point, I'll concede. I see that we differ on the meaning of brink then, two losses from the tipping point means you're already at a critical point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 I see that we differ on the meaning of brink then, two losses from the tipping point means you're already at a critical point. When we've only played 3 games so far ? I interpreted you as meaning if we lose to Arsenal he's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 When we've only played 3 games so far ? I interpreted you as meaning if we lose to Arsenal he's gone. see post 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labibs Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 No way do we have to get a result on Saturday. Not many sides will go to Emirates and come away with points (yes I know Sunderland went there and didn't get beaten). I'm going on Saturday and I fully expect a heavy defeat (3-1?) As people have said, just a quirk of the fixture list that we had some tough fixtures up early. Had we had say, West Ham's opening fixtures I'm fairly certain we would be comfortably in midtable and all the naysayers would be as happy as when we made a roaring start to our league campaign last year. If we do lose though, Villa game becomes massive. If we lost that, given our next game is Everton away where we nearly always get turned over, could conceivably be 6 straight defeats. Then any manager would be under pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 No way do we have to get a result on Saturday. Not many sides will go to Emirates and come away with points (yes I know Sunderland went there and didn't get beaten). I'm going on Saturday and I fully expect a heavy defeat (3-1?) As people have said, just a quirk of the fixture list that we had some tough fixtures up early. Had we had say, West Ham's opening fixtures I'm fairly certain we would be comfortably in midtable and all the naysayers would be as happy as when we made a roaring start to our league campaign last year. If we do lose though, Villa game becomes massive. If we lost that, given our next game is Everton away where we nearly always get turned over, could conceivably be 6 straight defeats. Then any manager would be under pressure. IMO the manager is already under pressure, won't get to the Everton game if we lose our next 2, bookies don't have him t 11/4 to be the next sacking for nothing,indifferent recruitment (especially if he's the instigator of the JRod affair) poor performance against Wigan, suicidal subs against Utd, 5 straight losses will get him his P45 more likely than not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 It seems crazy to sack a manager for a run that would be 90% down to the fixture list. If you're judging on 5 or 6 games, that is the biggest factor and it's pure luck. If you have 6 winnable games, no top sides then ok perhaps it would push you into action, but top sides? If NC were to write off 2 years of fantastic service and a talented young manager because of a tough run of fixtures, then he's not the intelligent man people like to suggest. I don't think he will, I hope he won't, and I still think the media speculation is bullsh1t. As said before, that speculation would be there whether it was true or not, merely to create a story, add pressure and because it's a newly promoted side with a foreign chairman, so it fits the profile they're looking for. I agree but how long will he get.. Lets assume we lose at arsenal.... Lose at home to villa or even draw... Away to Everton which will probably be another defeat... Then what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 I agree but how long will he get.. Lets assume we lose at arsenal.... Lose at home to villa or even draw... Away to Everton which will probably be another defeat... Then what? The manner of the loss against Utd will go against NA in a big way, especially as it was the second loss after leading against a top top side. Losing against Utd isn't any surprise but throwing away a 2 goal lead in the last 6 minutes is very negative, especially as it was the second time we've lost a 2-1 lead against a top side in 3 matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 The manner of the loss against Utd will go against NA in a big way, especially as it was the second loss after leading against a top top side. Losing against Utd isn't any surprise but throwing away a 2 goal lead in the last 6 minutes is very negative, especially as it was the second time we've lost a 2-1 lead against a top side in 3 matches. Lambert and Puncheon were absolutely brilliant against them How guly could come on and scare vidic and evra is hilarious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Don't want to come across all MLG on you window cleaner but we never had a 2 goal lead. I think Man Utd and City will pull come back and win games against far better teams than us this season. Have to try and take the positives. What happened to all the together as one stuff? Is this only true when we are winning? NA gets my full backing. As far as I am concerned, he is the best manager we have ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Don't want to come across all MLG on you window cleaner but we never had a 2 goal lead. I think Man Utd and City will pull come back and win games against far better teams than us this season. Have to try and take the positives. What happened to all the together as one stuff? Is this only true when we are winning? NA gets my full backing. As far as I am concerned, he is the best manager we have ever had. yes yes, got my thoughts and my typing confused there, meant lost a lead twice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Don't want to come across all MLG on you window cleaner but we never had a 2 goal lead. I think Man Utd and City will pull come back and win games against far better teams than us this season. Have to try and take the positives. What happened to all the together as one stuff? Is this only true when we are winning? NA gets my full backing. As far as I am concerned, he is the best manager we have ever had. You are right. Just the context on how we lost. Puncheon and Lambert had them pretty much all over the place at the back... You don't do that to them often... So, what does NA do..... Take them both off.. Next thing, ferdinand is all of a sudden bringing the ball out from the back and into midfield... He had not done that all game... We quickly let in a goal and we go back to having a target man upfront (which worked a treat for 85mins) when Hooiveld is thrown up there. Guly is never ever good enough to worry vidic or evra, Rodriguez was pointless on the left and Mayuka was brought on for his first Mins of English football.. That is not hindsight. Nearly everyone around me in block 13 were just completely baffled and predicted at the time that we had just threw the game away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 (edited) You are right. Just the context on how we lost. Puncheon and Lambert had them pretty much all over the place at the back... You don't do that to them often... So, what does NA do..... Take them both off.. Next thing, ferdinand is all of a sudden bringing the ball out from the back and into midfield... He had not done that all game... We quickly let in a goal and we go back to having a target man upfront (which worked a treat for 85mins) when Hooiveld is thrown up there. Guly is never ever good enough to worry vidic or evra, Rodriguez was pointless on the left and Mayuka was brought on for his first Mins of English football.. That is not hindsight. Nearly everyone around me in block 13 were just completely baffled and predicted at the time that we had just threw the game away i am absolutely convinced that the only sub that needed making was taking off JWP, dropping Punch back a notch, put on JRod on point and pull Lambert back a bit and let him wander about in the last 25 yds. JWP was cooked goose and let Scholes dominate. We didn't need to score, just stop them from getting forward. Lambert defends well at corners you know. Edited 13 September, 2012 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 3 points and were potentially 11th, nothing to panic about, even with a loss tomorrow teams around us aren;t guaranteed win, QPR are playing Chelsea, Liveprool are away at Sunderland, Villa are playing in form Swansea, Reading are playing spurs. Lose at home to Villa and things look a bit dour though. October and November are where we cna get the points on the board - Southampton V Fulham Sun 7 Oct 13:30 West Ham V Southampton Sat 20 Oct 15:00 Southampton V Tottenham Sun 28 Oct 15:00 West Brom V Southampton Mon 5 Nov 20:00 Southampton V Swansea Sat 10 Nov 15:00 QPR V Southampton Sat 17 Nov 15:00 Southampton V Newcastle Sun 25 Nov 15:00 Southampton V Norwich Wed 28 Nov 19:45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 I feel having already dropped nine points we need a result at arsenal even if its a point to at least give us that all important first point on the board, statistics show no promoted team has stayed up having lost the first three games of the season in the premiership, would losing four give us a mountain to climb? How important is the arsenal game? Every game is important and it is important we try and get a result every game. No one expected us to beat Man Utd and City, and Wigan was always going to be tough, so I think it's a bit harsh to say we've dropped nine points. I fully expect that if we lose to Arsenal, and we are on 0 points after 4 games, there'll be many on here already talking about relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 You are right. Just the context on how we lost. Puncheon and Lambert had them pretty much all over the place at the back... You don't do that to them often... So, what does NA do..... Take them both off.. Next thing, ferdinand is all of a sudden bringing the ball out from the back and into midfield... He had not done that all game... We quickly let in a goal and we go back to having a target man upfront (which worked a treat for 85mins) when Hooiveld is thrown up there. Guly is never ever good enough to worry vidic or evra, Rodriguez was pointless on the left and Mayuka was brought on for his first Mins of English football.. That is not hindsight. Nearly everyone around me in block 13 were just completely baffled and predicted at the time that we had just threw the game away I am playing devils advocate here but I guess the thinking was, these guys have done a great job but look knackered, I have to do something as Man utd always push on late in games. All I have is this lot.... I will have to try something different. Let's get some pace on and someone who can maybe pick out a pass. We will try and keep hold of the ball and frustrate them. Also Guly adds a bit of hight for set pieces (I know it is not true but it is what NA thought at Fratton Park, maybe not learnt a lesson here). Ok, it didn't work and hopefully he will learn from it. Having new players in will help add to our options from the bench as well. Hindsight is the best manager in the league. I think NA is doing ok so far. I am disappointed we have not gotten any points yet but I am sure they will come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 You are right. Just the context on how we lost. Puncheon and Lambert had them pretty much all over the place at the back... You don't do that to them often... So, what does NA do..... Take them both off.. Next thing, ferdinand is all of a sudden bringing the ball out from the back and into midfield... He had not done that all game... We quickly let in a goal and we go back to having a target man upfront (which worked a treat for 85mins) when Hooiveld is thrown up there. Guly is never ever good enough to worry vidic or evra, Rodriguez was pointless on the left and Mayuka was brought on for his first Mins of English football.. That is not hindsight. Nearly everyone around me in block 13 were just completely baffled and predicted at the time that we had just threw the game away Oh god, are we still on this? On the match reactions thread I responded to these claims that we had them all over the place, that we were bossing it and showed that they are total rubbish.. In the 5 minutes leading up to the substitutions Lambert barely touched the ball, we were getting deeper and deeper, we had a lucky escape with the penalty, they were starting to carve us open, Scholes and Valencia were the only ones bossing anything. It was happening already. Now Adkins is getting stick because he happened to spot that quicker than you and all your mates in block 13, who apparently thought everything was hunky dory at the time of the subs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labibs Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 IMO the manager is already under pressure, won't get to the Everton game if we lose our next 2, bookies don't have him t 11/4 to be the next sacking for nothing,indifferent recruitment (especially if he's the instigator of the JRod affair) poor performance against Wigan, suicidal subs against Utd, 5 straight losses will get him his P45 more likely than not. I would be very surprised if Adkins was sacked after 5 premier league games, which included games against the 3 highest finishing clubs in the league last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_John Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 No need for any bedwetting threads or posts yet. The important fixtures are the eight Home games this year :- Villa, Fulham, Spurs (3 days after away Europa game), Swansea, Newcastle (3 days after Europa game), Norwich, Reading and Sunderland. All 8 are winable, but I will go for 5-2-1 (17pts) plus a few from away games should leave us in mid table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Oh god, are we still on this? On the match reactions thread I responded to these claims that we had them all over the place, that we were bossing it and showed that they are total rubbish.. In the 5 minutes leading up to the substitutions Lambert barely touched the ball, we were getting deeper and deeper, we had a lucky escape with the penalty, they were starting to carve us open, Scholes and Valencia were the only ones bossing anything. It was happening already. Now Adkins is getting stick because he happened to spot that quicker than you and all your mates in block 13, who apparently thought everything was hunky dory at the time of the subs. Apparently it is too sensible an opinion to hold on the internet. Stating Scholes was the real game changer for United and that we tired/dropped far too deep when he came on is heresy, when quite clearly Adkins ruined it by subbing tired players who were out the game and facilitating the dropping back further (Punch and Lallana were both dripping back into the box to be second left and right backs at this point). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Far too early to be talking about must win games IMO....still a long long way to go whatever happens this weekend. More importantly, we have to keep playing the way we want to play and enter games with the same mentality as we did against City and Utd. If we can maintain similar levels of performance we will wins games, it's just a matter of time IMO. And as disappointing as Wigan was, Wigan are not a bad side and carried momentum over from last season when they beat Utd and Arsenal. On another day, that could have been a fairly comfortable win without having to change too much. We have new quality signings to come in still and a really strong and dynamic looking midfield and Lambert will score goals. Still much to look forward to IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Apparently it is too sensible an opinion to hold on the internet. Stating Scholes was the real game changer for United and that we tired/dropped far too deep when he came on is heresy, when quite clearly Adkins ruined it by subbing tired players who were out the game and facilitating the dropping back further (Punch and Lallana were both dripping back into the box to be second left and right backs at this point). Why are you right and those who thinks the subs cost us are wrong? Why are you sensible and those who don't share your views not sensible? Many people who know more about football than us have said that those subs were a massive factors is us losing that game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 (edited) Yes, if only to take some pressure off of Nigel for I fear that should we lose at the Emirates and then at home against Villa NC may just overeact . 4 consecutive losses is nothing to be complacent about and 5 would probably be one too many. Bearing in mind that against Citeh and Utd we got ourselves into good positions and then lost, may be seen as gross error from the manager. Maybe Cortese is impressed that we even got into winning positions against them at all? Lots of teams won't get anywhere near beating them all season. Maybe he thinks that NA is one of the very key reasons why we were able to play well enough against those teams...I certainly do. Wigan - yes we lost, but were far from terrible and with hitting the bar twice we could have got a result. Doubt Cortese has got where he has by making rash and ultimately wrong decisions. Certainly hasn't been rash at Saints re Managerial decisions. IMo even considering getting rid of NA before we play 15 games would be criminal - it doesnt take long to jump up the table with a run of form and our fixtures between Oct and Nov are a better judge of where we are IMO. Edited 13 September, 2012 by Saint Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Maybe Cortese is impressed that we even got into winning positions against them at all? Lots of teams won'g get anywhere near beating them all season. Maybe he thinks that NA is one of the very key reasons why we were able to play well enough against those teams...I certainly do. Maybe... But I doubt the impression will last if we keep losing...... Bravely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWoody83 Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 as many have said it is a bonus if you pick up anything against the big guns. I expect nothing against Arsenal but a point would obviously be good. Villa is the big one, need 3 points at home to kick start the season, really cannot afford to be playing catch up in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Dont know how you think we've dropped 9 points. Two of the teams will be in the top 3 at the end of the season, and most likely all relegation contenders will lose those two corresponding fixtures. Same could be said for Arsenal home too, therefore. Personally reckon we can pick something up, but dont view it as critical. No, the only match where we screwed the pooch was Wigan. Agree. Look at Man City home last season, 1 draw, no defeats - the rest victories. Averaging 3 goals per game for whole season, Our defence is average!! other notable results for them to compare our performance (and our defence) WBA 4-0, Spurs 3-2, Liverpool 3-0, Norwich 5-1, Newcastle 3-1, Villa 4-1, Swansea 4-0 - our defence is better than WBA, Norwich, Villa and Swansea!! Man Utd, gained more penalties than any other side - maybe our defence not the only mugs, away record 13 victories plus added quite a good forward since, last season away performances to compare with ours Wolves 0-5, Spurs 1-3, Chelsea 3-3, Arsenal 1-2, Fulham 0-5, Bolton 0-5. Add to that Van Persie (not checked but was it 30 goals and 10 assists for a worse side last season. Those two results could argue our defence are average / better than average for the premiership. then there is Wigan..... A few decent away results - Arsenal 1-2, Liverpool 1-2, sunerland 1-2, Bolton 1-2,. Interesting (for stato like me!!) that Wigan finished season like this; H Wolves Won 3-2 A Blackburn Won 0-1 H Newcastle Won 4-0 A Fulham Lost 2-1 A Arsenal Won 1-2 H Man Utd Won 1-0 A Chelsea Lost 2-1 H Stoke Won 2-0 A Liverpool Won 1-2 Wigan, who according to many on here is the game we should win if we are going to survive in the premiership, won 7 out of their last 9 premierships games beating Man U, thrashing Newcastle and away at Arsenal and Liverpool. Final Stats to convince you that it is ridiculous to judge the team and write off our LB and CBs on the games so far. What do these teams have in common; Arsenal (GF2, GA5), Blackburn (GF1 GA7), Bolton (GF1 GA9), WBA (GF2 GA8) .....all had 0 points from those fixtures last season. Us this season (GF4 GA . Considering Arsenal lost Van Persie, reckon we are on a par with them now What does this show about how we will do....nothing! All this shows is that it is far too early to judge / write off the team or our defence!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 I would be very surprised if Adkins was sacked after 5 premier league games, which included games against the 3 highest finishing clubs in the league last year. Adkins told Gary Hooper over the summer that he (Adkins) had 6 games or he would be out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 heres the last ten fixtures all games where we'd have more of a chance id say but then i expected to beat wigan [TABLE=class: fullwidth] [TR] [/TR] [TR] [TD=class: cent, align: center]09 Mar 2013[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]15:00[/TD] [TD]Norwich City[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Away[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Premier League[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=class: cent, align: center]16 Mar 2013[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]15:00[/TD] [TD]Liverpool[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Home[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Premier League[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=class: cent, align: center]30 Mar 2013[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]15:00[/TD] [TD]Chelsea[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Home[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Premier League[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=class: cent, align: center]06 Apr 2013[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]15:00[/TD] [TD]Reading[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Away[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Premier League[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=class: cent, align: center]13 Apr 2013[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]15:00[/TD] [TD]West Ham United[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Home[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Premier League[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=class: cent, align: center]20 Apr 2013[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]15:00[/TD] [TD]Swansea City[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Away[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Premier League[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=class: cent, align: center]27 Apr 2013[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]15:00[/TD] [TD]West Bromwich Albion[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Home[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Premier League[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=class: cent, align: center]04 May 2013[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]15:00[/TD] [TD]Tottenham Hotspur[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Away[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Premier League[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=class: cent, align: center]12 May 2013[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]15:00[/TD] [TD]Sunderland[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Away[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Premier League[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=class: cent, align: center]19 May 2013[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]15:00[/TD] [TD]Stoke City[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Home[/TD] [TD=class: cent, align: center]Premier League [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] None of these fixtures seem to be that easy to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Adkins told Gary Hooper over the summer that he (Adkins) had 6 games or he would be out. Source? :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 I'd make us favourites against WBA and Stoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Source? :-) Gary Hooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Gary Hooper Ah...fair dos :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 It will be interesting to see who NA fields against the Gooners. I honestly believe he made a big mistake against Manure but we now have the makings of a decent Prem side and as such he will be looking to frustrate and beat them. I am ever the optimist and therefore I predict a narrow win for Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Adkins told Gary Hooper over the summer that he (Adkins) had 6 games or he would be out. 6 games to do what? get a point, win one, 2, 3, 4 games on just not be bottom ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Oh god, are we still on this? On the match reactions thread I responded to these claims that we had them all over the place, that we were bossing it and showed that they are total rubbish.. In the 5 minutes leading up to the substitutions Lambert barely touched the ball, we were getting deeper and deeper, we had a lucky escape with the penalty, they were starting to carve us open, Scholes and Valencia were the only ones bossing anything. It was happening already. Now Adkins is getting stick because he happened to spot that quicker than you and all your mates in block 13, who apparently thought everything was hunky dory at the time of the subs. Spot on, and everything that happened AFTER the subs showed that it wasn't just the 3 who went off who were knackered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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