Dig Dig Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 Would prefer the lad from Christchurch to be honest. No Africans have ever been a success in England and this was a Cortese signing so on that basis he must be rubbish and he didn't score in his first 15mins in a Saints shirt. Will I boo him at Arsenal? Probably not while he warms up but if he comes on then yes. I'd agree with this and the Deldago alarms bells were ringing through my head when I saw him against Utd. He's proof if you ever need it that Africans can't cut it at this level. Can he handle stoke on a cold Tuesday night? I doubt it. Sorry Cortese, stick to football manager on your PC and let football people make our signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 I'd agree with this and the Deldago alarms bells were ringing through my head when I saw him against Utd. He's proof if you ever need it that Africans can't cut it at this level. Can he handle stoke on a cold Tuesday night? I doubt it. Sorry Cortese, stick to football manager on your PC and let football people make our signings. You wonder whether perhaps Les Reed needs help on the football side. He has done a lot of work on the new buildings at the training ground but maybe we need someone like Dave Bassett to be the link between the Manager and the Chairman and to work on signings. Bassett would be better at securing the proven Prem players we need like Andy Wilkinson or Dean Whitehead, and we can forget these fancy dans like Ramsez and this African lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 You wonder whether perhaps Les Reed needs help on the football side. He has done a lot of work on the new buildings at the training ground but maybe we need someone like Dave Bassett to be the link between the Manager and the Chairman and to work on signings. Bassett would be better at securing the proven Prem players we need like Andy Wilkinson or Dean Whitehead, and we can forget these fancy dans like Ramsez and this African lad. This is a good point and I agree. If we leave it to Cortese, the team will be full of Carlos Mbia Wong types who can't cut it in England. Leave it to Adkins and you end up with Forte and Nguessen up front. A Harry Basset or Ron Atkinson advisor would be ideal for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 No Africans have ever been a success in England Touré,Drogba,Essien,Adebayor yes I can see your point, think before you post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 And yet the likes of saint Charlie and dig dig have a pop at Turkish for pointless sarcasm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 This is a good point and I agree. If we leave it to Cortese, the team will be full of Carlos Mbia Wong types who can't cut it in England. Leave it to Adkins and you end up with Forte and Nguessen up front. A Harry Basset or Ron Atkinson advisor would be ideal for us. Big Ron not likely to sign any Africans! Bassett is more respected in the game IMO and sees a lot of matches on SSN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 And yet the likes of saint Charlie and dig dig have a pop at Turkish for pointless sarcasm... When have I had a pop at Turkish about sarcasm? Weirdo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 Touré,Drogba,Essien,Adebayor yes I can see your point, think before you post. I assumed that was a tongue in cheek product as I thought of the players you mentioned as well as Song, Hadji Diouf, Pienaar, Kanu, Yakubu. I am sure there are many others. If it was not tongue in cheek however..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 I assumed that was a tongue in cheek product as I thought of the players you mentioned as well as Song, Hadji Diouf, Pienaar, Kanu, Yakubu. I am sure there are many others. If it was not tongue in cheek however..... Really you thought that, must have been well veiled then, I just saw it as a senseless attack on African footballers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 (edited) The subs cost us the game I disagree. The overall lack of fitness compared to Man Utd and poor decision making by the defenders for the last 15-20 minutes cost us the game. Wanging the thing in the vicinity of Lambert probably would have been more successful than doing so at Mayuka, at least assuming Lambert didn't get too tired to run for the general hoofs, but firstly we shouldn't have been randomly hoofing it in the first place and secondly we weren't doing that when Lambert was still on the pitch. Building up through midfield and on the floor, intercepting passes and creating chances during transitions in play when we already had players forward to support was suddenly replaced by a panicked concession of possession over and over until United had enough chances to score. Given that we hadn't been pointlessly hoofing before that, and that none of the players doing the hoofing were either subs or subbed, the subs are a red herring to the real problem of us continually giving possession back cheaply for 15-20 minutes. Guly for Puncheon was irrelevant unless you think that Puncheon's presence would have somehow prevented Hooiveld, Fonte and Fox from clearing it 40 yards (occasionally straight up in the air or off the pitch) when not always under pressure. Schneidelin didn't get a kick for 15 minutes, and Steve Davis gave the ball away attempting 3 successive passes and was clearly knackered too. If anything, bringing Rodriguez onto the left where Lallana had been just gave us a chance of winning something in the air from what the defenders and keeper were, for some inexplicable reason, intent on doing anyway. The irony being that after their 3rd goal, we restarted by passing the ball on the floor with Guly and Ward-Prowse and started creating (half-)chances again. The subs we did make brought on our 3 most regularly-used Prem players to that point to try and shore up a wilting side. At least compared to the Wigan match we looked like we had any players on the bench who might be able to slot in without obviously weakening the team. Edited 10 September, 2012 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 Morgan speaks of the mental energy required to sustain 90 minutes of football against sides like Man U, says all the players need to work on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 Can't believe people are writing him off already. If he plays a full half and still hasn't scored, then fair enough, but until then we should give the guy a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 Can't believe people are writing him off already. If he plays a full half and still hasn't scored, then fair enough, but until then we should give the guy a chance. 15mins was enough time IMO. He was worse than Jonno Forte, and he didn't even get off the Crawley bench vs Pompey. Zambia have never won anything, and I doubt he has even scored for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 15mins was enough time IMO. He was worse than Jonno Forte, and he didn't even get off the Crawley bench vs Pompey. Zambia have never won anything, and I doubt he has even scored for them. Your mistake here is mixing opinion with fact. You can by all means claim you think he's worse than Impact Sub Johnno, but Zambia have won something or other, whatever it was, at some point, and people aren't autotuning goals on YouTube that I know of yet, so I'm pretty sure Mayuka has scored for someone, probably. By "mistake" I mean "guaranteed method of getting someone to bite", btw. Which reminds me, haven't seen MLG on here for a (relatively) LONG time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 Morgan speaks of the mental energy required to sustain 90 minutes of football against sides like Man U, says all the players need to work on that. It is indeed the brain that goes first when you're knackered. Not that 29,000 Saints fans should need telling after the last match... but apparently it was the subs, not the eleven who were already knackered on the pitch, that were the issue. Even though 5 of the ones giving the ball away all the time (GK, the back 4 not inlcuding Clyne and Steven Davis) weren't either subs or subbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 (edited) 15mins was enough time IMO. He was worse than Jonno Forte, and he didn't even get off the Crawley bench vs Pompey. Zambia have never won anything, and I doubt he has even scored for them. I can't decide whether you're trolling or actually being serious. If you are being serious, please think about what you're saying. You're writing off a player, who has played 15 minutes for us, who has just moved to a new country, had about 2 days with the squad, against the second best (if not the best) team in the country, when we've got our backs against the wall and they're all over us. What were you expecting when he came on ?! And Zambia won the last ACON!? Edited 10 September, 2012 by Saint Garrett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 I can't decide whether you're trolling or actually being serious. If you are being serious, please think about what you're saying. You're writing off a player, who has played 15 minutes for us, who has just moved to a new country, had about 2 days with the squad, against the second best (if not the best) team in the country, when we've got our backs against the wall and they're all over us. What were you expecting when he came on ?! And Zambia won the last ACON!? I feel a whoosh is in order, though had I not seen him talking some sense in the Arsenal Build-Up thread I'd have been there with you. See "guaranteed method of getting someone to bite" comment below. By "mistake" I mean "guaranteed method of getting someone to bite", btw. Which reminds me, haven't seen MLG on here for a (relatively) LONG time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 I feel a whoosh is in order, though had I not seen him talking some sense in the Arsenal Build-Up thread I'd have been there with you. See "guaranteed method of getting someone to bite" comment below. The fact it was hard to tell shows how many people on here actually seem to believe some of this type of stuff. Mayuka did as well as anyone would have done, including van persie. He got no service, and there is no way anyone could judge his performance at all. It is simply not fair. From seeing the clips, and his goals in big matches for Zambia, semi final of the ACON for example, it is clear he has something. He has also scored against some decent sides in Europe for Young Boys, Barca being one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 Fair enough, I'm at work and don't have time to sit and read every post. Not like it's out of character for someone on this board to write off players after 15 minutes, or even sometimes before they've even played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 I actually think mayuka had his best game for saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 Fair enough, I'm at work and don't have time to sit and read every post. Not like it's out of character for someone on this board to write off players after 15 minutes, or even sometimes before they've even played. Alas not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 That was without doubt mayukas worst game for saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 I spose if you look across all mayukas games for saints, you'd consider that performance "average" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 I spose if you look across all mayukas games for saints, you'd consider that performance "average" The Bear nails it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 The fact it was hard to tell shows how many people on here actually seem to believe some of this type of stuff. Mayuka did as well as anyone would have done, including van persie. He got no service, and there is no way anyone could judge his performance at all. It is simply not fair. From seeing the clips, and his goals in big matches for Zambia, semi final of the ACON for example, it is clear he has something. He has also scored against some decent sides in Europe for Young Boys, Barca being one. With you on that. The problem is that by faking these kind of opinions you're adding weight to opinion of the thickoes who genuinely DO believe it, and can now tell their mates that people on Saintsweb are saying the same thing as them. Like that bloke who always says Lambert is crap, thought Sharp would get more Prem games - can't remember his name, ends in a number - what's he on about eh ? Everyone knows Lambert is God and Master to Us All and will always be in the team and definitely as a player in his 30s won't start to get more injuries pretty soon from playing at a harder level and higher intensity against better players than he ever has, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 I spose if you look across all mayukas games for saints, you'd consider that performance "average" Yeah, but I've seen Neil McCann beat a man in a 15 minute spell. Maybe we should get him back / go bankrupt like Pompey / Lowe Out / whatever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 Even in the short time on the field...quite obvious that this lad is going to be a star for Saints... Mayuka, like Chung Lee and Gaston Ramirez..... is going to have a big say in our rise up the league. We are Super Saints... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 11 September, 2012 Share Posted 11 September, 2012 You wonder whether perhaps Les Reed needs help on the football side. He has done a lot of work on the new buildings at the training ground but maybe we need someone like Dave Bassett to be the link between the Manager and the Chairman and to work on signings. Bassett would be better at securing the proven Prem players we need like Andy Wilkinson or Dean Whitehead, and we can forget these fancy dans like Ramsez and this African lad. Why not just get a decent manager in the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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