70's Mike Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 7-0 Arsenal but a thoroughly good day out had by all Saints fans. thought that a few years back and we got a draw Joe Tessem scoring, bring it on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 ----------------- K Davis --------------------- Clyne-----Yoshida---Hooiveld-----Shaw -----------------Morgan---------------- -----------S Davis ----- Ramirez----------- Puncheon--------------------- Lallana------ --------------- Rodriguez ------------------- Gazzaniga, Fox, Fonte, Ward-Prowse, Mayuka(75), Lee(75), Lambert (60) This will do the trick! Rodriguez up top for 60 min’s to give them the run around then put Lambert on to smash a couple goals in. Then a double sub of Mayuka on for Puncheon and lee on for Lallana to keep Arsenal in their own half until the final whistle job done 2-0 three points thank you very much bye! Weren't Steve Davis and Morgan the other way round against Utd? Think we'll go for that myself, Arse's midfield is bit powder puff and the further forward Morgan plays the less they'll like it, especially as Abu Diaby is bound to sprain a thumb nail or something in one of the two upcoming ints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_disco123 Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 Can see a lovely draw for this one, A loss wont be too anonying but nevertheless I feel its going to be 1-1 or 2-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itchen_block4 Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 -------------------Davis------------------------- Clyne-----Yoshida-----Hooiveld-----Fox/Shaw ------------------Morgan------------------------ --------------Davis-----JWP--------------------- Puncheon-------------------------------Lallana -----------------Rodriguez---------------------- Gazzaniga, Fonte, Richardson, Cork, Ramirez, Lambert, Mayuka If we can grind out the first half, I reckon we can get a result with that quality on the bench. Arsenal aren't going to let us see much of the ball and starting Lambert would mean 45 minutes of him chasing and wasting his limited energy. Like the City game, he'll be a mega substitution. With fresh legs, he stands a very good chance of scoring or playing a killer ball. Puncheon had a great game on Sunday and Ramirez will have a big impact too if he's as good as he's cracked up to be. Liverpool rather gave up the ghost, didn't press them like they should and made it too easy. We'll be right in their faces and I feel we can come away with something if we get a chance to play our own game. They aren't as clinical without Van Persie and early season, I think this is an opportunity. 2-1 Saints win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDogMatt Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Anyones ticket arrived yet? Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Weren't Steve Davis and Morgan the other way round against Utd? Think we'll go for that myself, Arse's midfield is bit powder puff and the further forward Morgan plays the less they'll like it, especially as Abu Diaby is bound to sprain a thumb nail or something in one of the two upcoming ints. Well Ramirez isn't going to play in centre-mid and probably won't start at Arsenal. Can't see any of our new signings starting to be honest, just haven't had enough time to train and settle with the squad due to the international games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Arsenal 2 Saints 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 -------------------Davis------------------------- Clyne-----Yoshida-----Hooiveld-----Fox/Shaw ------------------Morgan------------------------ --------------Davis-----JWP--------------------- Puncheon-------------------------------Lallana -----------------Rodriguez---------------------- Gazzaniga, Fonte, Richardson, Cork, Ramirez, Lambert, Mayuka If we can grind out the first half, I reckon we can get a result with that quality on the bench. Arsenal aren't going to let us see much of the ball and starting Lambert would mean 45 minutes of him chasing and wasting his limited energy. Like the City game, he'll be a mega substitution. With fresh legs, he stands a very good chance of scoring or playing a killer ball. Puncheon had a great game on Sunday and Ramirez will have a big impact too if he's as good as he's cracked up to be. Liverpool rather gave up the ghost, didn't press them like they should and made it too easy. We'll be right in their faces and I feel we can come away with something if we get a chance to play our own game. They aren't as clinical without Van Persie and early season, I think this is an opportunity. 2-1 Saints win. That's the way to do it (but with Lee instead of Frazer). Really think careful use of impact players, including using Rickie as we did at City, will cause a lot of problems for 'bigger' teams this season. Still reckon a 2-4 loss here though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Anyones ticket arrived yet? Cheers Mine haven't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom28 Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Unbelievable to me that people on here think Rodriguez should start up top rather than Lambert. Rodriguez hasn't shown anything. It's all well and good saying we can bring Lambert on after 60 minutes, but where's the use in that if we're 3-0 down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Unbelievable to me that people on here think Rodriguez should start up top rather than Lambert. Rodriguez hasn't shown anything. It's all well and good saying we can bring Lambert on after 60 minutes, but where's the use in that if we're 3-0 down? Agreed. Losing mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Because we just signed a player for £12 million? Im absolutely with TDD on this one, no way we should drop Puncheon after his performance - it sets completely the wrong precidemt amongstbthe squad, you have to reward exceptional performances. I'm expecting Ramirez to come off the bench. The only change if it all would be Yoshida in for Fonte. Does anyone know when the international players (particularly Yoshida and GD) returning from duty. If memory is correct, they will only end up having a day or two's training prior to the Arsenal game. Id question whether that is enough to pair up a new CB partnership ahead of playing a team like Arsenal, despite how awful Fonte is at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Start both the new boys on the Bench. Not had enough time to bed in, and also Puncheon was pretty awesome at the weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Another option would be to play Ramirez instead of JWP who will have been away with England is still very young and needs to be protected. Could drop Lallana into the central three and play Ramirez wide or even go with a more 4-2-3-1 with Morgan and Davis holding and Ramirez floating behind Lambert with Lallana and Puncheon wide. Agree Punch deserves to stay in the team. IMO since his truce was announced he has been quite badly treated, was made a scapegoat for the poor display vs Leeds when he was far from the worst. He had his best game for us vs United so might as well build his confidence up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 ---------------------Davis------------------- Clyne-----Yoshida-----Hooiveld-----Fox -------------------Morgan------------------------ --------------Davis-----JWP-------------------- Puncheon----------------------------Lallana -------------------Lambert---------------------- Gazzaniga, Fonte, Cork, Ramirez, Lee, Mayuka, JRod. Can't really see how you can drop Punch after Utd, Lallana plays better on left than at the top of a 3 in midfield, and Lambert is getting his groove on now. Can't drop him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smarmy Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 If Ramires had trained more, I'd go for "a more 4-2-3-1 with Morgan and Davis holding and Ramirez floating behind Lambert with Lallana and Puncheon wide". That sounds good! As it is, I don't think he will start, but I can see Lallana playing somewhere in the middle three and Mayuka starting in one of the wide spots Long term, I don't think we have bought so many forwards not to play them, and think Lallana or Ramires will often play in midfield. I think Ward-Prowse won't be first choice. I didn't read the Ramires thread and this has probably been discussed at length, but he is primarily an attacking midfielder, who can also play on the wing or off a front-man, isn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 If Ramires had trained more, I'd go for "a more 4-2-3-1 with Morgan and Davis holding and Ramirez floating behind Lambert with Lallana and Puncheon wide". That sounds good! As it is, I don't think he will start, but I can see Lallana playing somewhere in the middle three and Mayuka starting in one of the wide spots Long term, I don't think we have bought so many forwards not to play them, and think Lallana or Ramires will often play in midfield. I think Ward-Prowse won't be first choice. I didn't read the Ramires thread and this has probably been discussed at length, but he is primarily an attacking midfielder, who can also play on the wing or off a front-man, isn't he? Ramirez can play wide but has done most of his best work for Bologna playing behind the striker in the no 10 role with minimal defensive duties and a license to go wherever he will be a threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smarmy Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 What I am really looking forward to, which may never happen, is us putting out some ridiculous attacking line-up in the cup against a lower-league side. Don't rest any forwards, play them all! Win 7-4 or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Not sure if mayuka has gone away with Zambia (I know SA are playing Brazil and then someone sh*t in a qualifier) but if he hasn't he would be getting drilled daily (no need to comment Bearsy or Tokyo) with whatever midfielders are left to work on the principles of our style, obligations and link up play. Surely 10 days training with the coaches will increase his saints knowledge massively, its like getting 1 on 1 training with the teacher, his learning curve will improve massively, therefore i would have him on the pitch somewhere for pace on the counter attack. If he's gone away ignore :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 When we were last in the prem its fair to say I wouldn't always be looking forward to games against the top sides. Now however, I'm intrigued as to what sort of performance we'll produce. As such, am definitely looking forward to this game. Sure we might not win and sure overall we may only just finish outside of the relegation places, BUT what is different this time around, is that we go out and exchange blows with these 'top teams' ...as opposed to backs against the wall and picking up lucky results- type of performances! I'm liking this new Saints. ...give it time, I can feel it in my bones, this Club is knocking on some new lofty doors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 I look forward to the day when I can go to SMS and be confident that, barring an utter disaster, I will leave the ground talking about the fantastic, strong, leak-proof defence we've got! One can only dream! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 ---------------------Davis------------------- Clyne-----Yoshida-----Hooiveld-----Fox -------------------Morgan------------------------ --------------Davis-----JWP-------------------- Puncheon----------------------------Lallana -------------------Lambert---------------------- Gazzaniga, Fonte, Cork, Ramirez, Lee, Mayuka, JRod. Can't really see how you can drop Punch after Utd, Lallana plays better on left than at the top of a 3 in midfield, and Lambert is getting his groove on now. Can't drop him! I like that set up because first it gives us some form of control over the midfield. Not sure Ricky or Puncheon are guaranteed a start, but adding Ricky into the defensive headers makes so much sense. It's very tempting to add Mayuka into the start because the guy has so much pace. So it would not surprise me if he started in place of Puncheon. It's all going to come down to how he has impressed in training. If Mayuka has done enough in training, he will replace Puncheon or Ricky. Add into that the fitness levels of both Mayuka and Ramirez. ---------------------Davis------------------- Clyne-----Yoshida-----Hooiveld-----Fox -------------------Morgan------------------------ --------------Davis-----JWP-------------------- Mayuka----------------------------Lallana -------------------Lambert---------------------- If it's a warm day Ricky will not last the 90 and Mayuka can go up front to be replaced by Ramirez. Alternatively subbing Lallana for Ramirez would make sense from what we have seen so far and the expected condition of the players. We have to start with enough in midfield to have a form of control but the addition of Mayuka or Ramirez from the start could easily give us so much more of an attacking option. Sadly I can't see a starting place for JRod but I can see Fonte coming on in midfield at some point, Cork if fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Not sure if mayuka has gone away with Zambia (I know SA are playing Brazil and then someone sh*t in a qualifier) but if he hasn't he would be getting drilled daily (no need to comment Bearsy or Tokyo) with whatever midfielders are left to work on the principles of our style, obligations and link up play. Surely 10 days training with the coaches will increase his saints knowledge massively, its like getting 1 on 1 training with the teacher, his learning curve will improve massively, therefore i would have him on the pitch somewhere for pace on the counter attack. If he's gone away ignore :-) Next round of African qualifiers seems to be in March 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 I can see Fonte coming on in midfield at some point. That would be bizarre, why do you think that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 That would be bizarre, why do you think that? Not so bizarre. I have always believed Fonte would make a better midfielder than he will defender. He has good feet, at ease taking the ball forward and would benefit playing in front of the defence where the pressure has got too much for him. On Sunday Fonte lost it and the panic spread from him across the whole defence, so I just cannot see him as being a main stay of the defence. But I cannot deny he can take / pass the bal out from defence as well as any of them. He has the qualities it's just about negating his negatives that will earn him a place. On thing that stood out like a sore thumb against ManU was we never had anyone on the bench able to do a decent job in midfield. If Cork is fit I fully expect him to make a bow but if he is still injured it would be no surprise to see Fonte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Not so bizarre. I have always believed Fonte would make a better midfielder than he will defender. He has good feet, at ease taking the ball forward and would benefit playing in front of the defence where the pressure has got too much for him. On Sunday Fonte lost it and the panic spread from him across the whole defence, so I just cannot see him as being a main stay of the defence. But I cannot deny he can take / pass the bal out from defence as well as any of them. He has the qualities it's just about negating his negatives that will earn him a place. On thing that stood out like a sore thumb against ManU was we never had anyone on the bench able to do a decent job in midfield. If Cork is fit I fully expect him to make a bow but if he is still injured it would be no surprise to see Fonte. But as Adkins has never played Fonte in midfield, it would be a little out the blue to do it away at Arsenal wouldn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsmike25 Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Saints to win 2-1 and finally hold onto a lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Why do people think GRam will replace puncheon at right wing? Nothing I have seen about him suggest we would use him thus. He plays left wing or CAM. personally I think it is interesting that we signed him and put lallana out wide again. I see him and AL playing CAM and LW between them until we see what is the most effective as a team. With that in mind... Davis Clyne......yoshi....jos......fox/Shaw Morgan........Davis Ramirez Puncheon.........................Lallana Lambert Subs - Fonte,mayuka,Richardson,Lee, JWP,JayRod,Gazza That may not be spot on for the starting team depending on whether we risk the debutants, but after 2 weeks I would expect them to play. We may start with A more defensive midfield 3 but with the players we have now and the fact that we can't defend I would like to see us go attacking and have punch, lallana and GRam all playing together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 (edited) Why do people think GRam will replace puncheon at right wing? Nothing I have seen about him suggest we would use him thus. He plays left wing or CAM. personally I think it is interesting that we signed him and put lallana out wide again. I see him and AL playing CAM and LW between them until we see what is the most effective as a team. With that in mind... Davis Clyne......yoshi....jos......fox/Shaw Morgan........Davis Ramirez Puncheon.........................Lallana Lambert Subs - Fonte,mayuka,Richardson,Lee, JWP,JayRod,Gazza That may not be spot on for the starting team depending on whether we risk the debutants, but after 2 weeks I would expect them to play. We may start with A more defensive midfield 3 but with the players we have now and the fact that we can't defend I would like to see us go attacking and have punch, lallana and GRam all playing together. Oh I like your plan to beef up the left back postion by playing two LBs at the same time......................... Edited 7 September, 2012 by doddisalegend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Why do people think GRam will replace puncheon at right wing? Nothing I have seen about him suggest we would use him thus. He plays left wing or CAM. personally I think it is interesting that we signed him and put lallana out wide again. I see him and AL playing CAM and LW between them until we see what is the most effective as a team. With that in mind... Davis Clyne......yoshi....jos......fox/Shaw Morgan........Davis Ramirez Puncheon.........................Lallana Lambert Subs - Fonte,mayuka,Richardson,Lee, JWP,JayRod,Gazza That may not be spot on for the starting team depending on whether we risk the debutants, but after 2 weeks I would expect them to play. We may start with A more defensive midfield 3 but with the players we have now and the fact that we can't defend I would like to see us go attacking and have punch, lallana and GRam all playing together. Would be a cracking team to watch, but we're never going to go into games with that much of an attacking line up, unless we really felt that Puncheon and Lallana could get a load of defensive midfield work done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Would be a cracking team to watch, but we're never going to go into games with that much of an attacking line up, unless we really felt that Puncheon and Lallana could get a load of defensive midfield work done. Morgan as the shield & Davis/J-WP in front of him worked so I wouldn't change it. Lallana played well wide but I'd start Ramirez ahead of Puncheon. Flair going forward but some steel in the midfield & if Cork is on the bench, when the midfield tires we comes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Morgan as the shield & Davis/J-WP in front of him worked so I wouldn't change it. Lallana played well wide but I'd start Ramirez ahead of Puncheon. Flair going forward but some steel in the midfield & if Cork is on the bench, when the midfield tires we comes on. Agree with all that, except I don't think Ramirez will be quite ready/settled to start against Arsenal. Cameo off the bench for the last 20mins or so I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 I wonder if we can get the wingers swapping over during the match working again. Really troubled defences with Chambo and Lallana swapping. Although that was in L1... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 I wonder if we can get the wingers swapping over during the match working again. Really troubled defences with Chambo and Lallana swapping. Although that was in L1... Lallana and Punch were at it a little against United, not loads though just when throw ins were happening. Just want to see more of Lambert terrorising premier league defences! Almost embarrassing to watch "world class" defenders having no answer to our friendly scouser... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Not so bizarre. I have always believed Fonte would make a better midfielder than he will defender. He has good feet, at ease taking the ball forward and would benefit playing in front of the defence where the pressure has got too much for him. On Sunday Fonte lost it and the panic spread from him across the whole defence, so I just cannot see him as being a main stay of the defence. But I cannot deny he can take / pass the bal out from defence as well as any of them. He has the qualities it's just about negating his negatives that will earn him a place. On thing that stood out like a sore thumb against ManU was we never had anyone on the bench able to do a decent job in midfield. If Cork is fit I fully expect him to make a bow but if he is still injured it would be no surprise to see Fonte. Wouldn't Chaplow be better in midfield if Cork is still injured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Wouldn't Chaplow be better in midfield if Cork is still injured? No. He looked massively off the pace against Stevenage, genuinely terrible in open play. He was running about chasing the game like he was playing space invaders badly (shooting where the aliens where not where they were going to be). It is a better option to run JWP, Steven Davis and Morg into the ground for 90 mins than risk Chaplow coming on, not being involved at all then getting sent off. Playing Lallana horribly out of position in the middle is more effective than Chaplow at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Agree with all that, except I don't think Ramirez will be quite ready/settled to start against Arsenal. Cameo off the bench for the last 20mins or so I reckon. Bloody hope Adkins has learned his lesson and doesn't go for cameos off the bench for new players again. Unless he can be completely effective we should wait until fully integrated before starting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itchen_block4 Posted 8 September, 2012 Share Posted 8 September, 2012 Unbelievable to me that people on here think Rodriguez should start up top rather than Lambert. Rodriguez hasn't shown anything. It's all well and good saying we can bring Lambert on after 60 minutes, but where's the use in that if we're 3-0 down? If we're still in the game, I'd much rather bring Lambert on than take him off. Can he last 90 minutes of chasing defenders? Probably not. It's about managing the squad, not making statements about who is better than who. Arsenal aren't good enough to be 3-0 up after 60 minutes and if they were, starting Lambert wouldn't make a whole lot of difference anyway. I don't understand your hostility to the gameplan that very nearly worked up at City and would have worked had it not been for their enormous reserves of quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshephard3 Posted 8 September, 2012 Share Posted 8 September, 2012 If we're still in the game, I'd much rather bring Lambert on than take him off. Can he last 90 minutes of chasing defenders? Probably not. It's about managing the squad, not making statements about who is better than who. Arsenal aren't good enough to be 3-0 up after 60 minutes and if they were, starting Lambert wouldn't make a whole lot of difference anyway. I don't understand your hostility to the gameplan that very nearly worked up at City and would have worked had it not been for their enormous reserves of quality. The counter to that argument is the taking him off v's Man Utd only for us to lose. Lambert works hard enough but he doesn't exactly spend 90 minutes chasing defenders does he? I think he's earned the opportunity to play 90 minutes unless Adkins feels urgent changes are needed during the game and I think he can cause problems for Arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEVMAN Posted 8 September, 2012 Share Posted 8 September, 2012 Its a hard one to chose from, if we leave our best player on the bench and start getting stuffed then whats the point bringing him on then.I think it would be better if we let him do his worst early on and then straight swop him for Jay with 15 or 20 mins to go,but please give JRod a chance in the middle and not flung out on the flanks(Poor bloke must think he`s a leper) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 9 September, 2012 Share Posted 9 September, 2012 Its a hard one to chose from, if we leave our best player on the bench and start getting stuffed then whats the point bringing him on then.I think it would be better if we let him do his worst early on and then straight swop him for Jay with 15 or 20 mins to go,but please give JRod a chance in the middle and not flung out on the flanks(Poor bloke must think he`s a leper) I don't see any problems here. Ricky is effective enough and gets the start until he is no longer doing the business, then he fails to stay on or get the start. JRod is too far off the game at present and we need to sort this quickly, so I would find out if Chung or Mayuda are the answer. JRod will get further chances starting with the next cup game but he has not done enough to block the alternatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itchen_block4 Posted 9 September, 2012 Share Posted 9 September, 2012 The counter to that argument is the taking him off v's Man Utd only for us to lose. Lambert works hard enough but he doesn't exactly spend 90 minutes chasing defenders does he? I think he's earned the opportunity to play 90 minutes unless Adkins feels urgent changes are needed during the game and I think he can cause problems for Arsenal. That supports my argument more than it counters it. Taking Lambert of wasn't tactical, he was just knackered and couldn't finish 90 minutes. Fergie won that match because he had his ace on the bench to come on and win the game. Scholes is obviously a lot better than Cleverly, but he'd be pooped after 60 minutes of being chased by Schneiderlin and wouldn't have had the same impact on the game. Sometimes we'll need to take a similarly pragmatic view about Lambert because he won't last 90 minutes of a very tough game either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 If we're still in the game, I'd much rather bring Lambert on than take him off. Can he last 90 minutes of chasing defenders? Probably not. It's about managing the squad, not making statements about who is better than who. Arsenal aren't good enough to be 3-0 up after 60 minutes and if they were, starting Lambert wouldn't make a whole lot of difference anyway. I don't understand your hostility to the gameplan that very nearly worked up at City and would have worked had it not been for their enormous reserves of quality. We don't look like scoring with Rodriguez on the pitch, we do when Lambert is on. IMO we'll need to score to be "still in the game" in the last 30-20 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 We don't look like scoring with Rodriguez on the pitch, we do when Lambert is on. IMO we'll need to score to be "still in the game" in the last 30-20 minutes This - plus once Lambert always looks better when he has a few games under his belt. Scored some late goals for us last season too so sure he will be ok to play 90mins or thereabouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-crinny Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 "Arsenal aren't good enough to be 3-0 up after 60 minutes". Loving the fact that because they have had a slow-ish start to the season and have lost RVP, a lot of people seem to think they won't be able to find the net regularly against us! A 2-0 win at Anfield, regardless of Liverpool's quality, is a pretty good result and it's not like our defence has been watertight is it? Podolski and Carzorla (great player) in particular are going to cause us a lot of problems - very worrying when you consider that we are pinning our hopes on a newly signed CB to shore up the cracks/gaping holes that appear in our back four! If we go behind early, it could be a long afternoon. We have to approach it in the same we did against United and ultimately feel we must get our noses in front again to have any chance of a result - if we can get ahead and then try and control it in the middle, which we defiitely have the quality to do, we could frustrate the Arsenal players and the fans will get on their back. For that reason, i think Lambert needs to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 (edited) "Arsenal aren't good enough to be 3-0 up after 60 minutes". Loving the fact that because they have had a slow-ish start to the season and have lost RVP, a lot of people seem to think they won't be able to find the net regularly against us! A 2-0 win at Anfield, regardless of Liverpool's quality, is a pretty good result and it's not like our defence has been watertight is it? Podolski and Carzorla (great player) in particular are going to cause us a lot of problems - very worrying when you consider that we are pinning our hopes on a newly signed CB to shore up the cracks/gaping holes that appear in our back four! If we go behind early, it could be a long afternoon. We have to approach it in the same we did against United and ultimately feel we must get our noses in front again to have any chance of a result - if we can get ahead and then try and control it in the middle, which we defiitely have the quality to do, we could frustrate the Arsenal players and the fans will get on their back. For that reason, i think Lambert needs to start. This. Absolutely. Arsenal are still a top side and we could easily be 3-0 down after 60 minutes regardless if we're playing well. If Arsenal are on top of their game then there aren't many sides who will stop them. p.s. International breaks are soooooooo boring!!!!!!!!!!!! Edited 10 September, 2012 by Saint Garrett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 "Arsenal aren't good enough to be 3-0 up after 60 minutes". Loving the fact that because they have had a slow-ish start to the season and have lost RVP, a lot of people seem to think they won't be able to find the net regularly against us! A 2-0 win at Anfield, regardless of Liverpool's quality, is a pretty good result and it's not like our defence has been watertight is it? Podolski and Carzorla (great player) in particular are going to cause us a lot of problems - very worrying when you consider that we are pinning our hopes on a newly signed CB to shore up the cracks/gaping holes that appear in our back four! If we go behind early, it could be a long afternoon. We have to approach it in the same we did against United and ultimately feel we must get our noses in front again to have any chance of a result - if we can get ahead and then try and control it in the middle, which we defiitely have the quality to do, we could frustrate the Arsenal players and the fans will get on their back. For that reason, i think Lambert needs to start. Agree with most of that except what I've highlighted. I reckon Arsenal have probably the best midfield in the country right now, will be very, very tough for us to control it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 Unbelievable to me that people on here think Rodriguez should start up top rather than Lambert. Rodriguez hasn't shown anything. It's all well and good saying we can bring Lambert on after 60 minutes, but where's the use in that if we're 3-0 down? Yes, the best 11 has to start and that means Lambert. Those who are saying that he was a good impact sub at Citeh are right BUT they don't have a crystal ball and don't know what the score would have been had he started the game. Who knows, we could have been 3-1 up at half time with J-Rod coming on after 65 mins and could have held out for a point or 3. Not putting your best 11 out at the start is too negative. PS I don't know why Fonte is getting a bashing, don't think he's been too bad atall. I'd probably play him and Jos and give the Japanese guy a run out later in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 Another loss here We have to start Lambert (mental that some debate that) We have to have a solid midfield 3 to have a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 10 September, 2012 Share Posted 10 September, 2012 PS I don't know why Fonte is getting a bashing......It is because we have a large number of posters with "sheep"-like tendencies. "I saw Fonte make a mistake or two and therefore (as I saw some others post it as a fact) he is sh1te". "I saw Jos give away two stupid penalties but (as I saw some others post it as a fact) he is still fantastic". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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