Bearsy Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 No way that's happening delldays. Agree that punch deserves his spot though, Ramirez on the bench for me. Be nice to have some quality from the bench for a change... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 (edited) 3-1 Arse. They will be too much for us. They play in a style that is similar to ours - keep ball. But with a team that probably averages 10% better than ours and can turn on pace into channels (something we don't seem capable of). If Ramirez is available for selection and fit, does anyone really think he will sit on the bench for 75 minutes against Arse? I don't believe NC will want to see £12m sat on the bench - do you? I would hope for... Mayuka Rodrigues (Lambo) Ramirez (Chappers) Lallana Morgan Davis Fox (if fit) Jos Fonte (Yoshi) Clyne .............. Davis Lambert (JRod), Yoshi (Fonte) and Chappers (Mayuka) on as subs to see out the game. Easy eh?! Personally don't think you could drop Puncheon after the amazing game he played against United. I'd go with: Lallana Lambert Puncheon Ward-Prowse Morgan Davis Fox Hooiveld Yoshida Clyne Gazzaniga Subs: JRod, Fonte, Chappers, Mayuka, Ramirez, Richardson, Davis 3-1 Saints YELLOWS! Edited 4 September, 2012 by BlakeySFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish fingers Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 7-0 Arsenal but a thoroughly good day out had by all Saints fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 I'd play Shaw ahead of Fox, he's simply a better defender. Gaston should play as should Yoshida. I am completely anti-fox, but he still is marginally better than Shaw, from what I've seen of them both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinhk Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 I would guess Fonte to start but to be replaced by Yoshi when his legs start to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born In The 80s Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 This one looks absolutely horrible on paper - could be our traditional premier league season spanking. Wouldn't be surprised to see Arsenal score 5, and they have yet to concede a goal this season... Puncheon must start by the way. Would be totally wrong to drop him after arguably his best performance in a saints shirt to date. Ramirez will start on the bench, and rightly so in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Same line-up and formation as the United game, but with Yoshida on the bench in place of Seaborne, Ramirez on the bench instead of Lee and hopefully fitness depending Cork on the bench instead of Do Prado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Puncheon must start by the way. Would be totally wrong to drop him after arguably his best performance in a saints shirt to date. Ramirez will start on the bench, and rightly so in my opinion. If Saints signed Messi you would put him on the bench in the next game just because one of the current players had a good game previously? No room for sentiment, put out the best side we have. Ramirez cost us a record £12m and will be our top earner, he hasn't joined us to sit on the bench because Puncheon had a good game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 When you sign a new player and stick them straight in starting line up they pull a hamstring. It happens every time! It's like an unwritten rule of football! evidences! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 If Saints signed Messi you would put him on the bench in the next game just because one of the current players had a good game previously? No room for sentiment, put out the best side we have. Ramirez cost us a record £12m and will be our top earner, he hasn't joined us to sit on the bench because Puncheon had a good game. If he hadn't even trained with the squad and was only back in the country for 24hrs after flying half way round the world, then yes I'd start him on the bench. Everyone, including the player himself, would be well aware he'll be first choice going forward though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_lambden Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 If Saints signed Messi you would put him on the bench in the next game just because one of the current players had a good game previously? No room for sentiment, put out the best side we have. Ramirez cost us a record £12m and will be our top earner, he hasn't joined us to sit on the bench because Puncheon had a good game. Well he's not Messi, is he? The poster said, rightly so, that form should count in this case and that Puncheon deserves to start. We play Arsenal on 15th September whilst Ramirez is likely to feature in Uruguay's game against Ecuador on 11th September so the earliest he will meet up with the squad is probably Thursday 13th after a lot of travelling. It makes sense to play Puncheon over Ramirez for this game. Why you brought up Messi I'll never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 (edited) Well he's not Messi, is he? Why you brought up Messi I'll never know. I brought up Messi as an example to highlight why simply sticking with a player that "played well" if you have a better player available is a strange decision. I'll try again with a different example... If Lallana was suspended and Ben Reeves "played well" in his place, would you keep Lallana out of the team on his return from suspension? Ramirez is likely to be one of our best (if not the best player). Lets use him rather than settling for Puncheon (despite playing well in the last game), Ramirez should be able to do even better. Edited 4 September, 2012 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 I brought up Messi as an example as to why simply sticking with a player that played well if you have a better player available is a strange decision. No point having competition for places if playing very well gets you a place on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 No point having competition for places if playing very well gets you a place on the bench. It is not unreasonable to think Ramirez is capable of playing even better than Puncheon can at his best. Might seem harsh to drop Puncheon, but no room for sentiment, lets get the best XI on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Personally don't think you could drop Puncheon after the amazing game he played against United. I'd go with: Lallana Lambert Puncheon Ward-Prowse Morgan Davis Fox Hooiveld Yoshida Clyne Gazzaniga Subs: JRod, Fonte, Chappers, Mayuka, Ramirez, Richardson, Davis 3-1 Saints YELLOWS! Would want lee in bench, perhaps in place of richardson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi7s Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Didn't want to start a new thread but what is the latest on Cork's fitness? I have a feeling he will be a vital piece of the jigsaw once fit, mainly because of his versatility in playing a number of positions; namely centre back. Adkins constantly draws comparisons with Barca, especially in emulating their 4-3-3 formation. Could Cork do a Mascherano in converting from energetic central midfield player to centre half? Not sure if this has been highlighted. Would not want to change the midfield 3 on the basis of Sunday and it could be that Cork answers our defensive woes; good on the ball, not slow, good tackler etc. Will he be fit for Arsenal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Didn't want to start a new thread but what is the latest on Cork's fitness? I have a feeling he will be a vital piece of the jigsaw once fit, mainly because of his versatility in playing a number of positions; namely centre back. Adkins constantly draws comparisons with Barca, especially in emulating their 4-3-3 formation. Could Cork do a Mascherano in converting from energetic central midfield player to centre half? Not sure if this has been highlighted. Would not want to change the midfield 3 on the basis of Sunday and it could be that Cork answers our defensive woes; good on the ball, not slow, good tackler etc. Will he be fit for Arsenal? Its important to have Cork back as a DCM, he's not the answer at CB! Barca can get away with it as they have the majority of possession, not something we will enjoy in a lot of our matches. Also, teams in Spain are not as direct as teams in England and Cork isn't a physical enough of a presence to handle that either. I believe Cork should be in contention come the Arsenal game or soon after Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 6 - 5 to the Arse, with us 5-0 up in the 85th minute ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi7s Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Its important to have Cork back as a DCM, he's not the answer at CB! Barca can get away with it as they have the majority of possession, not something we will enjoy in a lot of our matches. Also, teams in Spain are not as direct as teams in England and Cork isn't a physical enough of a presence to handle that either. I believe Cork should be in contention come the Arsenal game or soon after A lot of fair points there but I wouldn't put it past Adkins to try it out. To be fair Mascherano has been found wanting quite a bit recently (backend of last season and the two el clasicos this season) Also I'd say Schneiderlin will be the one DCM, with probably Cork and Davis playing either side of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 A lot of fair points there but I wouldn't put it past Adkins to try it out. To be fair Mascherano has been found wanting quite a bit recently (backend of last season and the two el clasicos this season) Also I'd say Schneiderlin will be the one DCM, with probably Cork and Davis playing either side of him. Yea true he can play as 1 of the 2 which flank Scheiderlin but he probably the one you'd want to play Morgans role when required. With him back, I think our midfield looks very strong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish fingers Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 6 - 5 to the Arse, with us 5-0 up in the 85th minute ! That would be a good game to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Wouldn't be surprised to see Mayuka start and Lambert drop to the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Wouldn't be surprised to see Mayuka start and Lambert drop to the bench. Really? After Lambos performance on Sunday I would be amazed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Really? After Lambos performance on Sunday I would be amazed. This, and the fact that Arsenal often struggle against balls into the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Wouldn't be surprised to see Mayuka start and Lambert drop to the bench. I'd be massively surprised, especially with the 2 week break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 No Fox please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 It is not unreasonable to think Ramirez is capable of playing even better than Puncheon can at his best. Might seem harsh to drop Puncheon, but no room for sentiment, lets get the best XI on the pitch. As excited as I am to see Ramirez in a Saints shirt, I'd be inclined to start with him on the bench - largely because he hasn't had the time to gain any familiarity with our systems and the various roles, tendencies and capabilities of his teammates. Apart from that, we have plenty of offence with Sunday's starting line-up, but Puncheon is likely to be more responsible in the defensive role that will be vital in an away game at Arsenal. For all the plaudits heaped upon Ramirez, a commitment to defence isn't one of them, and I don't think this is the game in which to give him his first start. It's about practicality rather than sentimentality for me. I'd certainly introduce him at some point though, circumstances permitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 Wouldn't be surprised to see Mayuka start and Lambert drop to the bench. reel em in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 We're away from home and in need of experience. In retrospect, there's a good chance Lambert will start as lone striker then. I've been pondering over who will get first dibs in midfield and attack on the team sheet if everyone is fit. Lallana (LWF) and Morgan (CDM) pick themselves IMO. So, what does that leave us with? JayRod at £7m - you would think that he has a starting place, but probably not if Lambert is fit, so he'll on the bench. I can see him slipping backwards. Ramirez at £12m - you would think that he has a starting place (eventually) - Right Forward? So when he starts, that's Puncheon on the bench. Mayuka at £2m? - given his pace and his immediate bench place, he must be in the plans but as left forward, if Lallana is playing he's going to start on the bench. Davis, JWP and Morgan have earnt their place in midfield as regular starters - can't see that unit being broken up in the immediate future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 We're away from home and in need of experience. In retrospect, there's a good chance Lambert will start as lone striker then. I've been pondering over who will get first dibs in midfield and attack on the team sheet if everyone is fit. Lallana (LWF) and Morgan (CDM) pick themselves IMO. So, what does that leave us with? JayRod at £7m - you would think that he has a starting place, but probably not if Lambert is fit, so he'll on the bench. I can see him slipping backwards. Ramirez at £12m - you would think that he has a starting place (eventually) - Right Forward? So when he starts, that's Puncheon on the bench. Mayuka at £2m? - given his pace and his immediate bench place, he must be in the plans but as left forward, if Lallana is playing he's going to start on the bench. Davis, JWP and Morgan have earnt their place in midfield as regular starters - can't see that unit being broken up in the immediate future. Will have to rest JWP at some point though so wouldn't be surprised if those 3 plus Cork will rotate + whichever starts on the bench will probably come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom28 Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 Davis Clyne Yoshida Hooiveld Shaw Ward-Prowse Schneiderlin Lallana Ramirez Lambert Puncheon Subs: Gazzaniga, Fox, Davis, Lee, Fonte, Mayuka, J-Rod Time for a change at left back. Fox was woeful against United, Shaw really couldn't do any worse than that surely. Tough one over which CB Yoshida replaces but after the way they both played on Sunday, he has to come into the side. Tough call leaving out Steven Davis, but I think with W-P and Schneiderlin we have two grafters and runners in there, and then Lallana, Puncheon and Ramirez give us the technical ability to control the ball more, so I'd play all three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 It's amazing how quickly the eye returns to it's old habits of looking at the bottom of the table first. I mean it took 2 years to get used to looking for us at the top, but I was straight back into the old routine soon as we lost the wigan game. Like riding a bicycle! It's like the last few years never happened...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 Do Arsenal play Oxo on the right side like we did? I don't fancy Fox's chances much againt either Walcott or Oxo running at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanimal Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 Hopefully he will get injured v Ukraine as will most of the Arsenal team in the International break, giving cause for Wenger to moan like hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JibMcdo Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 --------------Gazzaniga Clyne-----Yoshida---Hooiveld-----Shaw ---------------Morgan -----------Davis-----Lallana Puncheon---------------------Ramirez ---------------Lambert Davis, Fox, Fonte, Ward-Prowse, Mayuka, Lee, Rodriguez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 Not quite sure why people are putting Gazzaniga in ahead of Davis. Hasn't shown me anything of what i've seen of him to suggest that he's ready for a Prem start. Kelvin's done well for us so far and i'm sure he'll learn from his mistakes at the weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 Do Arsenal play Oxo on the right side like we did? I don't fancy Fox's chances much againt either Walcott or Oxo running at him. Think he played centre mid for them at the weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinhk Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 Why wouldn't Adkins do the same as against City and start Rickie on the bench. The tactic was based on sound reasons which equally hold for an away game vs the Arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 --------------Gazzaniga Clyne-----Yoshida---Hooiveld-----Shaw ---------------Morgan -----------Davis-----Lallana Puncheon---------------------Ramirez ---------------Lambert Davis, Fox, Fonte, Ward-Prowse, Mayuka, Lee, Rodriguez Giving up the CM with lallana in there is as good as conceding defeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 We all saw how much more comfortable Lallana was out there on Sunday. He should play there, not be wasted in CM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JibMcdo Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 Giving up the CM with lallana in there is as good as conceding defeat Like we conceded defeat against City? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 Like we conceded defeat against City? Yep they beat us and could have been out of sight quite easily.. Against man u we were far more solid and far more dangerous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 I wouldn't change the midfield/attacking line up from the United game. It worked, and if it ain't broke don't fix it. Would put Yoshida in for Fonte if he's available and I wish we had another LB to replace Fox. I'd start Davis in goal. Ramirez to come on as a sub and score a hat-trick, probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Kucho Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 I would stick with the same formation as against Manure, maybe swap Fonte with Yoshida depending on fitness and use different subs. Glad there is a 2 week break as it gives time for the team to reflex on the last few games and focus on our weak points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 Sadly I missed the game on sunday but on reading the post match comments from fans I fully expected to sit down and watch the sky recording and see some nightmare displays from the likes of Guly, Kelvin, Fonte and Mayuka. To be fair, Mayuka and Guly did not do much but were only on for 15 minutes in an isolated attack. Kelvin was maginificent on occassions and got away with a couple of wayward passes out to his back four. Could not really fault him for the goals. But it was Fonte who stood out for me. He made some great tackles blocks and clearances so I was a little surprised that people zoomed in one on or two flappy moments. By that stage of the game I think most people were flapping anyway -be they playing or just watching!! So on balance I think I would stick with the same starting 11. Puncheon - as others have said - had his best game in a Saints shirt and is developing a wonderful understanding with Clyne. The only change I might make is Jay Rod for Davis and then have Davis come on for JWP when he is knackered. Interesting that NA has temporarily abandoned his policy of redeploying Lallan in the middle; it would be interesting to see how Jay gets on there. One other comment I wanted to make was about fitness. I don't subscribe to the view that is questioning the fitness of our players. I think we have got to the correct level of fitness. What I suspect we are seeing is NA instructing players to push themselves even harder, knowing that he has his impact players to bring on from the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 ----------------- K Davis --------------------- Clyne-----Yoshida---Hooiveld-----Shaw -----------------Morgan---------------- -----------S Davis ----- Ramirez----------- Puncheon--------------------- Lallana------ --------------- Rodriguez ------------------- Gazzaniga, Fox, Fonte, Ward-Prowse, Mayuka(75), Lee(75), Lambert (60) This will do the trick! Rodriguez up top for 60 min’s to give them the run around then put Lambert on to smash a couple goals in. Then a double sub of Mayuka on for Puncheon and lee on for Lallana to keep Arsenal in their own half until the final whistle job done 2-0 three points thank you very much bye! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 Mayuka v Mertesacker. Roflcopters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 IMO Lambert has to start, I'd keep the same team if no injuries..however Adkins will make a tactical judgement on who best fits against Arsenal so may make changes. Think we'll win this one! Arsenal due to concede a goal and we're due a clean sheet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disintegration87 Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 Time for a win: 0-6. Yoshida to score over head samurai kick form the edge of the box. Rickie to get a hat trick of headers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Stimp Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 Not quite sure why people are putting Gazzaniga in ahead of Davis. Hasn't shown me anything of what i've seen of him to suggest that he's ready for a Prem start. Kelvin's done well for us so far and i'm sure he'll learn from his mistakes at the weekend. Agree, though Davis's performances haven't exactly filled me with confidence so far this season he has had a lot of pluses, for example, he's saved 2 pens already, not something many keepers can claim I'm sure. Gazzaniga hasn't really done anything to show that he deserves Kelv's place so far. I was, however, kind of hoping we were planning a sneaky move for Craig Gordon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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