Cheese on Toast Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Moronic reply to a harmless post. My thoughts exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 It shows how short of defenders we are. If Fox is out for long who do we have for cover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese on Toast Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 It shows how short of defenders we are. If Fox is out for long who do we have for cover? we could recall tommy forecast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK_Phoey Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Posted this on another thread but this suggests that Yoshida is playing left back for Japan on Thursday http://www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/273495/facts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 I would seriously rather we still had dan harding instead of fox Well said - Harding had more attributes than Fox and could play with AL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese on Toast Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Posted this on another thread but this suggests that Yoshida is playing left back for Japan on Thursday http://www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/273495/facts but then, we'd have to play fonte, which is no better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 (edited) Fox technically is a decent player but his awareness is poor. He focusses on play and doesn't keep a check behind him. He needs to keep checking his blindside even if nothing is there. ball watching is a habit and he needs to be coached out of it. It cost us goals v both City and Utd as he lost sight of his mark. Harding had a similar problem. It makes an otherwise decent player into a liability. It won't take the Premier clubs with the constant TV exposure long to exploit this flaw on a regular basis. I'd like to say very well spotted. He stares at the player with the ball and concentrate on him and nothing else and think about more than one thing at a time. The problem is he stops and stares and neither closes the opponent down or looks for where the ball might go - he just stops and stares. I really don't think it would be possible to coach awareness, however, it might be possible to at lest get him to engage an opponent that would help! Frankly just watching his body language you can see he is not really all together there and Im amazed this wasn't picked up before we paid well over what he was worth for his services. I keep reading that we have sports psychologists at the club but what were they up to when we brought him in? It's baffling that the situation has come this far...... Edited 4 September, 2012 by captainchris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowds Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Get Dickson a squad no... Can't be any worse!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brussels Saint Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 If Fox is injured, I would go with Shaw. If he plays well, great, maybe he can help us to get a result. If he has a mare, fair enough we dont expect anything from the game and Wenger may start having second thoughts about him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Harding had more attributes than Fox and could play with AL. What attributes? Has he just been collecting numbers off phones pretending these are his FM stats?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 PremierLeague.com also has Fox listed as injured on their Saints squad page. They haven't yet updated it with the Squad, U-21s, Loan In and Homegrown info though, just got the squad numbers and all players listed in a flat unsplit list (unlike the non-promoted teams). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Said it elsewhere Yoshida in centre of defence, Fonte to right back and Clyne to Left back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese on Toast Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Said it elsewhere Yoshida in centre of defence, Fonte to right back and Clyne to Left back. you're a funny man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 If Fox is injured, I would go with Shaw. If he plays well, great, maybe he can help us to get a result. If he has a mare, fair enough we dont expect anything from the game and Wenger may start having second thoughts about him! Totally agree 100%. Go for it Nigel. Play Shaw against Arsenal. The only way to find out is by playing him so lets go for it. Please no arsing around with Clyne and Richardson etc to "protect" Luke. Unless we are starting Yoshida in which case two new defenders in at the same time is probably one too many in which case i would start Richardson at Left back and trust to his experience to deal with it and help Maya along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Halo* Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Fox technically is a decent player but his awareness is poor. He focusses on play and doesn't keep a check behind him. He needs to keep checking his blindside even if nothing is there. ball watching is a habit and he needs to be coached out of it. It cost us goals v both City and Utd as he lost sight of his mark. Harding had a similar problem. It makes an otherwise decent player into a liability. It won't take the Premier clubs with the constant TV exposure long to exploit this flaw on a regular basis. Exactly. This, plus his abysmal sense of positioning. This is, to my recollection, the first time I have ever felt the need to break from my usual 'keep negative thoughts to myself' philosophy, where our players are concerned. So that in itself is indication of how much Danny Fox is frustrating me. That I actually feel the need to vent on a message board about him. I like Fox, he has a great delivery, can put in a good tackle, he's not afraid to throw himself in front of the ball, and he wears his heart on his sleeve; his passion on the pitch is always clearly evident. But sadly, whilst these attributes are all noble qualities, they alone do not make for a decent left back. I've lost count of the amount of times, last season, and now this too; where I've turned to those next to me in exasperation, as once again, good old Foxy is f*cking nowhere near the winger he's supposed to be marking. When in the defensive third, he always seems to stand waaaaay too close to Jos, leaving acres of space to run into down the flank he is supposed to be protecting. It happens with such frequency, that this is either something that Nige actually asks him to do, "hey, Foxy!!! What the f*ck are you doing mate???!!! Stop marking their winger!!! You're not letting him have anywhere near enough space!!!". Hmmm, somehow I don't think this is the case... which leaves the option that this is clearly a flaw in Fox's game. And, as it's been going on since he arrived, then either our coaching staff are somehow unable to see the blatantly obvious (very unlikely), or he is simply unable to improve his game in this regard, which is concerning, as how f*cking difficult is it to understand, that if you're a left back, you're meant to actually play there, rather than trying to hold your centre back's hand? Whatever it is, it has to stop, as he is costing us goals, almost every game. Albeit indirectly in some cases, such as Utd's opening goal for example, where if you were not paying attention, you'd put it down to Nate's unfortunate slip. But take the play back a few frames, and you'll notice that, yet again, it is Fox not doing the job of a left back, that allows the time and space for the chance to be created. Same for the second, again, indirectly. In other words, he cannot necessarily be directly 'faulted', but his being unable to competently undertake his duties, time and again is putting us under pressure, from where we have subsequently conceded. It's getting to the point that it has this usually very calm and collected chap, f*cking simmering! The problem with Fox, summed up diagrammatically: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Exactly. This, plus his abysmal sense of positioning. This is, to my recollection, the first time I have ever felt the need to break from my usual 'keep negative thoughts to myself' philosophy, where our players are concerned. So that in itself is indication of how much Danny Fox is frustrating me. That I actually feel the need to vent on a message board about him. I like Fox, he has a great delivery, can put in a good tackle, he's not afraid to throw himself in front of the ball, and he wears his heart on his sleeve; his passion on the pitch is always clearly evident. But sadly, whilst these attributes are all noble qualities, they alone do not make for a decent left back. I've lost count of the amount of times, last season, and now this too; where I've turned to those next to me in exasperation, as once again, good old Foxy is f*cking nowhere near the winger he's supposed to be marking. When in the defensive third, he always seems to stand waaaaay too close to Jos, leaving acres of space to run into down the flank he is supposed to be protecting. It happens with such frequency, that this is either something that Nige actually asks him to do, "hey, Foxy!!! What the f*ck are you doing mate???!!! Stop marking their winger!!! You're not letting him have anywhere near enough space!!!". Hmmm, somehow I don't think this is the case... which leaves the option that this is clearly a flaw in Fox's game. And, as it's been going on since he arrived, then either our coaching staff are somehow unable to see the blatantly obvious (very unlikely), or he is simply unable to improve his game in this regard, which is concerning, as how f*cking difficult is it to understand, that if you're a left back, you're meant to actually play there, rather than trying to hold your centre back's hand? Whatever it is, it has to stop, as he is costing us goals, almost every game. Albeit indirectly in some cases, such as Utd's opening goal for example, where if you were not paying attention, you'd put it down to Nate's unfortunate slip. But take the play back a few frames, and you'll notice that, yet again, it is Fox not doing the job of a left back, that allows the time and space for the chance to be created. Same for the second, again, indirectly. In other words, he cannot necessarily be directly 'faulted', but his being unable to competently undertake his duties, time and again is putting us under pressure, from where we have subsequently conceded. It's getting to the point that it has this usually very calm and collected chap, f*cking simmering! The problem with Fox, summed up diagrammatically: When someone who has posted only 144 times in almost 6 years bothers to say something, its worth listening. Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese on Toast Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Exactly. This, plus his abysmal sense of positioning. This is, to my recollection, the first time I have ever felt the need to break from my usual 'keep negative thoughts to myself' philosophy, where our players are concerned. So that in itself is indication of how much Danny Fox is frustrating me. That I actually feel the need to vent on a message board about him. I like Fox, he has a great delivery, can put in a good tackle, he's not afraid to throw himself in front of the ball, and he wears his heart on his sleeve; his passion on the pitch is always clearly evident. But sadly, whilst these attributes are all noble qualities, they alone do not make for a decent left back. I've lost count of the amount of times, last season, and now this too; where I've turned to those next to me in exasperation, as once again, good old Foxy is f*cking nowhere near the winger he's supposed to be marking. When in the defensive third, he always seems to stand waaaaay too close to Jos, leaving acres of space to run into down the flank he is supposed to be protecting. It happens with such frequency, that this is either something that Nige actually asks him to do, "hey, Foxy!!! What the f*ck are you doing mate???!!! Stop marking their winger!!! You're not letting him have anywhere near enough space!!!". Hmmm, somehow I don't think this is the case... which leaves the option that this is clearly a flaw in Fox's game. And, as it's been going on since he arrived, then either our coaching staff are somehow unable to see the blatantly obvious (very unlikely), or he is simply unable to improve his game in this regard, which is concerning, as how f*cking difficult is it to understand, that if you're a left back, you're meant to actually play there, rather than trying to hold your centre back's hand? Whatever it is, it has to stop, as he is costing us goals, almost every game. Albeit indirectly in some cases, such as Utd's opening goal for example, where if you were not paying attention, you'd put it down to Nate's unfortunate slip. But take the play back a few frames, and you'll notice that, yet again, it is Fox not doing the job of a left back, that allows the time and space for the chance to be created. Same for the second, again, indirectly. In other words, he cannot necessarily be directly 'faulted', but his being unable to competently undertake his duties, time and again is putting us under pressure, from where we have subsequently conceded. It's getting to the point that it has this usually very calm and collected chap, f*cking simmering! The problem with Fox, summed up diagrammatically: What did you use to make this diagram? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Said it elsewhere Yoshida in centre of defence, Fonte to right back and Clyne to Left back. Why would Fonte be picked at RB over Richardson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Exactly. This, plus his abysmal sense of positioning. This is, to my recollection, the first time I have ever felt the need to break from my usual 'keep negative thoughts to myself' philosophy, where our players are concerned. So that in itself is indication of how much Danny Fox is frustrating me. That I actually feel the need to vent on a message board about him. I like Fox, he has a great delivery, can put in a good tackle, he's not afraid to throw himself in front of the ball, and he wears his heart on his sleeve; his passion on the pitch is always clearly evident. But sadly, whilst these attributes are all noble qualities, they alone do not make for a decent left back. I've lost count of the amount of times, last season, and now this too; where I've turned to those next to me in exasperation, as once again, good old Foxy is f*cking nowhere near the winger he's supposed to be marking. When in the defensive third, he always seems to stand waaaaay too close to Jos, leaving acres of space to run into down the flank he is supposed to be protecting. It happens with such frequency, that this is either something that Nige actually asks him to do, "hey, Foxy!!! What the f*ck are you doing mate???!!! Stop marking their winger!!! You're not letting him have anywhere near enough space!!!". Hmmm, somehow I don't think this is the case... which leaves the option that this is clearly a flaw in Fox's game. And, as it's been going on since he arrived, then either our coaching staff are somehow unable to see the blatantly obvious (very unlikely), or he is simply unable to improve his game in this regard, which is concerning, as how f*cking difficult is it to understand, that if you're a left back, you're meant to actually play there, rather than trying to hold your centre back's hand? Whatever it is, it has to stop, as he is costing us goals, almost every game. Albeit indirectly in some cases, such as Utd's opening goal for example, where if you were not paying attention, you'd put it down to Nate's unfortunate slip. But take the play back a few frames, and you'll notice that, yet again, it is Fox not doing the job of a left back, that allows the time and space for the chance to be created. Same for the second, again, indirectly. In other words, he cannot necessarily be directly 'faulted', but his being unable to competently undertake his duties, time and again is putting us under pressure, from where we have subsequently conceded. It's getting to the point that it has this usually very calm and collected chap, f*cking simmering! The problem with Fox, summed up diagrammatically: That sir is one of the best summing up of a player posts I have ever read. You have Mr Fox down to a T there. Brilliant and above all else bloody true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese on Toast Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Why would Fonte be picked at RB over Richardson? The first thing I thought too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 When someone who has posted only 144 times in almost 6 years bothers to say something, its worth listening. Good post. I agree, excellent post and sums up where the danger consistently came from on Sunday. I would say however that Fonte and Hooiveld are way too far apart in his diagram ; ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 I despair at the full backs in the modern game and Fox is a prime example. Brian Clough used to say get close and stop the cross, that was the full backs first duty. Nowadays them seem so scared of being skinned and look like a dummy, that they give the widemen way too much room and allow croses. Fox isn't the only one, but he's one of the worst I've seen. It's ok to defend like that against ok opposition, but against the best sides, we'll get punished. I cant help thinking that they are coached this way. Maybe because a alot of sides dont throw crosses in (Arsenal being a prime example) managers are telling them to make sure they dont get beat inside or out. The first goal Sun was a prime example, he should have got closer and let the cross hit his face, nuts or anything to stop it getting into RVP. Glen Johnson was taken apart by the pundits on MoTD. Playing like a winger and not carrying out his main role of defending. I dont want to sound like an old fart, but i want my full backs to defend and stop crosses.Anything else is a bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Has the Polish left back Boenisch been signed up yet? Could be worth a deal on a free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Exactly. This, plus his abysmal sense of positioning. This is, to my recollection, the first time I have ever felt the need to break from my usual 'keep negative thoughts to myself' philosophy, where our players are concerned. So that in itself is indication of how much Danny Fox is frustrating me. That I actually feel the need to vent on a message board about him. I like Fox, he has a great delivery, can put in a good tackle, he's not afraid to throw himself in front of the ball, and he wears his heart on his sleeve; his passion on the pitch is always clearly evident. But sadly, whilst these attributes are all noble qualities, they alone do not make for a decent left back. I've lost count of the amount of times, last season, and now this too; where I've turned to those next to me in exasperation, as once again, good old Foxy is f*cking nowhere near the winger he's supposed to be marking. When in the defensive third, he always seems to stand waaaaay too close to Jos, leaving acres of space to run into down the flank he is supposed to be protecting. It happens with such frequency, that this is either something that Nige actually asks him to do, "hey, Foxy!!! What the f*ck are you doing mate???!!! Stop marking their winger!!! You're not letting him have anywhere near enough space!!!". Hmmm, somehow I don't think this is the case... which leaves the option that this is clearly a flaw in Fox's game. And, as it's been going on since he arrived, then either our coaching staff are somehow unable to see the blatantly obvious (very unlikely), or he is simply unable to improve his game in this regard, which is concerning, as how f*cking difficult is it to understand, that if you're a left back, you're meant to actually play there, rather than trying to hold your centre back's hand? Whatever it is, it has to stop, as he is costing us goals, almost every game. Albeit indirectly in some cases, such as Utd's opening goal for example, where if you were not paying attention, you'd put it down to Nate's unfortunate slip. But take the play back a few frames, and you'll notice that, yet again, it is Fox not doing the job of a left back, that allows the time and space for the chance to be created. Same for the second, again, indirectly. In other words, he cannot necessarily be directly 'faulted', but his being unable to competently undertake his duties, time and again is putting us under pressure, from where we have subsequently conceded. It's getting to the point that it has this usually very calm and collected chap, f*cking simmering! The problem with Fox, summed up diagrammatically: You are my hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kirkup Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 He needs to study Ashley Cole. Despite being a tw*t defensively he knows his stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 I'm sure Seaborne played left back at Exeter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Exactly. This, plus his abysmal sense of positioning. This is, to my recollection, the first time I have ever felt the need to break from my usual 'keep negative thoughts to myself' philosophy, where our players are concerned. So that in itself is indication of how much Danny Fox is frustrating me. That I actually feel the need to vent on a message board about him. I like Fox, he has a great delivery, can put in a good tackle, he's not afraid to throw himself in front of the ball, and he wears his heart on his sleeve; his passion on the pitch is always clearly evident. But sadly, whilst these attributes are all noble qualities, they alone do not make for a decent left back. I've lost count of the amount of times, last season, and now this too; where I've turned to those next to me in exasperation, as once again, good old Foxy is f*cking nowhere near the winger he's supposed to be marking. When in the defensive third, he always seems to stand waaaaay too close to Jos, leaving acres of space to run into down the flank he is supposed to be protecting. It happens with such frequency, that this is either something that Nige actually asks him to do, "hey, Foxy!!! What the f*ck are you doing mate???!!! Stop marking their winger!!! You're not letting him have anywhere near enough space!!!". Hmmm, somehow I don't think this is the case... which leaves the option that this is clearly a flaw in Fox's game. And, as it's been going on since he arrived, then either our coaching staff are somehow unable to see the blatantly obvious (very unlikely), or he is simply unable to improve his game in this regard, which is concerning, as how f*cking difficult is it to understand, that if you're a left back, you're meant to actually play there, rather than trying to hold your centre back's hand? Whatever it is, it has to stop, as he is costing us goals, almost every game. Albeit indirectly in some cases, such as Utd's opening goal for example, where if you were not paying attention, you'd put it down to Nate's unfortunate slip. But take the play back a few frames, and you'll notice that, yet again, it is Fox not doing the job of a left back, that allows the time and space for the chance to be created. Same for the second, again, indirectly. In other words, he cannot necessarily be directly 'faulted', but his being unable to competently undertake his duties, time and again is putting us under pressure, from where we have subsequently conceded. It's getting to the point that it has this usually very calm and collected chap, f*cking simmering! The problem with Fox, summed up diagrammatically: Does the club know about this? If not, then I think they should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 The problem with Fox, summed up diagrammatically: You only needed the diagram to explain that one! Nothing worse than seeing him completely out of position for no clear reason other than he just doesn't quite know what he is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Exactly. This, plus his abysmal sense of positioning. This is, to my recollection, the first time I have ever felt the need to break from my usual 'keep negative thoughts to myself' philosophy, where our players are concerned. So that in itself is indication of how much Danny Fox is frustrating me. That I actually feel the need to vent on a message board about him. I like Fox, he has a great delivery, can put in a good tackle, he's not afraid to throw himself in front of the ball, and he wears his heart on his sleeve; his passion on the pitch is always clearly evident. But sadly, whilst these attributes are all noble qualities, they alone do not make for a decent left back. I've lost count of the amount of times, last season, and now this too; where I've turned to those next to me in exasperation, as once again, good old Foxy is f*cking nowhere near the winger he's supposed to be marking. When in the defensive third, he always seems to stand waaaaay too close to Jos, leaving acres of space to run into down the flank he is supposed to be protecting. It happens with such frequency, that this is either something that Nige actually asks him to do, "hey, Foxy!!! What the f*ck are you doing mate???!!! Stop marking their winger!!! You're not letting him have anywhere near enough space!!!". Hmmm, somehow I don't think this is the case... which leaves the option that this is clearly a flaw in Fox's game. And, as it's been going on since he arrived, then either our coaching staff are somehow unable to see the blatantly obvious (very unlikely), or he is simply unable to improve his game in this regard, which is concerning, as how f*cking difficult is it to understand, that if you're a left back, you're meant to actually play there, rather than trying to hold your centre back's hand? Whatever it is, it has to stop, as he is costing us goals, almost every game. Albeit indirectly in some cases, such as Utd's opening goal for example, where if you were not paying attention, you'd put it down to Nate's unfortunate slip. But take the play back a few frames, and you'll notice that, yet again, it is Fox not doing the job of a left back, that allows the time and space for the chance to be created. Same for the second, again, indirectly. In other words, he cannot necessarily be directly 'faulted', but his being unable to competently undertake his duties, time and again is putting us under pressure, from where we have subsequently conceded. It's getting to the point that it has this usually very calm and collected chap, f*cking simmering! The problem with Fox, summed up diagrammatically: Funny diagram - don't know if it says a lot though. Not sure if the problem is just positional - more that Fox knows he doesn't have the pace or acceleration to stand up close to the winger. Compare Fox with the lightening quick Clyne who's happy to get up the winger's ar$e as he know he won't get skinned. Maybe there's a happy median where Fox needs binos rather than a telescope to see the winger; but there are limits to what coaching can do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 You only needed the diagram to explain that one! Nothing worse than seeing him completely out of position for no clear reason other than he just doesn't quite know what he is doing. Perhaps he knows what he's doing - he's compensating for his lack of pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Perhaps he knows what he's doing - he's compensating for his lack of pace. And giving the winger 4 yards to take his time crossing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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