Giordano Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I cannot remember if Jos went straight into the team after he initially arrived on loan but with Maya apparently having a decent grasp of english do you think he will get chucked in against the Arse- or will NA let Fonte and Jos have another go, this time against Podolski and co? I think they would normally get him to play a under 21 fixture first so his performance in that will be interesting and a marker for his ability to move into the currently settled - but porous - back four. And if he does start who would he replace? Jos has conceded two penalties but otherwise ok imo - Jose has looked panic stricken at times and slightly out of his depth ( but against man city and man utd forwards who would'nt). Much as I love his attitude my gut feeling is that Jos will make way for Maya. One penalty too many in three games. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 It's a shame they only have a couple of days training all together before the Arsenal game, but I still expect Yoshida to start against Arsenal. Could see GR being a sub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aura Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 If Jose starts with Yoshida Adkins has lost the plot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I have an idea...let`s wait till the team is named Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananaman Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I agree, lets not discuss Saints on a Saints forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 He should start. Hoiveldt came straight in. We have problems at the back, playing Fonte won't solve them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I have an idea...let`s wait till the team is named Boring - whats the point in a chat site then ? Depends on when his international sabbatical ends. If he is going to get here the night before, forget it. As our books stand now, it has to be Jos and Maya going forwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Hoiveld looks okay to me Fonte does not Get him on the bus ffs If he does not cut the mustard we are going down more than likeky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 He should start alongside Jos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Timmier Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 If he does not cut the mustard we are going down more than likeky That's the spirit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 That's the spirit! But its true. Yoshida represents our single attempt to strenghten our central defence in this window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 But its true. Yoshida represents our single attempt to strenghten our central defence in this window. How do you know this? Perhaps we had bids turned down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 But its true. Yoshida represents our single attempt to strenghten our central defence in this window. You say that without seeing him play, nor knowing what bids for centre backs went in during the window. For all you know Hooiveld and Yoshida might work very well together, lets not right them off before we've seen a new partnership in action over a few games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 You say that without seeing him play, nor knowing what bids for centre backs went in during the window. For all you know Hooiveld and Yoshida might work very well together, lets not right them off before we've seen a new partnership in action over a few games. Um, did I not say we should go forward with Jos and Maya ? You tripping over yourself to correct people now ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Been on the official website for the first time to read a bit called 'Chung got me to Southampton...' Clicked it everywhere 15 times and I still can't read the article, what a crap website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 How do you know this? Perhaps we had bids turned down... I knew someone would post that. Its was worth not correcting the meaning of what I wrote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 But its true. Yoshida represents our single attempt to strenghten our central defence in this window. "But its twooo but its twoooo boo hoo hoo!!" why do you bother? NOBODY takes your comments seriously, half the forum have you on 'ignore' and those of us that don't are only reading your drivel to take the ****. #saladdodger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 "But its twooo but its twoooo boo hoo hoo!!" why do you bother? NOBODY takes your comments seriously, half the forum have you on 'ignore' and those of us that don't are only reading your drivel to take the ****. #saladdodger You bring much needed colour around here, me old mucker.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 But its true. Yoshida represents our single attempt to strenghten our central defence in this window. Given you normally play 2 central defenders (OK I know some formations play three) one signing represents a 50% increase in capacity not bad really is it! We must also remember our central defenders have already played two of the best forward lines in the league and whilst found a little wanting I bet 80% of the other central defensive combinations in this league will hardly be that much better against the 2 Manchesters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 "But its twooo but its twoooo boo hoo hoo!!" why do you bother? NOBODY takes your comments seriously, half the forum have you on 'ignore' and those of us that don't are only reading your drivel to take the ****. #saladdodger You`re a bit of an loon aren`t ya windmill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Given you normally play 2 central defenders (OK I know some formations play three) one signing represents a 50% increase in capacity not bad really is it! We must also remember our central defenders have already played two of the best forward lines in the league and whilst found a little wanting I bet 80% of the other central defensive combinations in this league will hardly be that much better against the 2 Manchesters. Seeing as the window is now closed and we stand little chance of finding a free agent, we are going to have to hope you are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 You`re a bit of an loon aren`t ya windmill? Yes, but he's our loon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Been on the official website for the first time to read a bit called 'Chung got me to Southampton...' Clicked it everywhere 15 times and I still can't read the article, what a crap website. i've stoped even trying to read the official web site. I suspect others look at it far less often too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Yes, but he's our loon. If he wasn`t such a tight arsed loon we could have more of him if he paid his £5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 If he wasn`t such a tight arsed loon we could have more of him if he paid his £5 Thats why there is never any preamble with him, straight for the jugular he goes. why waste 1 of your 3 with introductions ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I cannot remember if Jos went straight into the team after he initially arrived on loan but with Maya apparently having a decent grasp of english do you think he will get chucked in against the Arse- or will NA let Fonte and Jos have another go, this time against Podolski and co? I think they would normally get him to play a under 21 fixture first so his performance in that will be interesting and a marker for his ability to move into the currently settled - but porous - back four. And if he does start who would he replace? Jos has conceded two penalties but otherwise ok imo - Jose has looked panic stricken at times and slightly out of his depth ( but against man city and man utd forwards who would'nt). Much as I love his attitude my gut feeling is that Jos will make way for Maya. One penalty too many in three games. Thoughts? I find it hard to blame Jos for the Man U penalty. That was all Davies' fault. His distribution was terrifyingly bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 But its true. Yoshida represents our single successful attempt to strenghten our central defence in this window.There - I corrected it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Kucho Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Yoshida should start for Fonte, unless he is not 'Saints fit'. Would also like to see Ramirez start but with the game Puncheon had yesterday he deserves to start against Arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 There - I corrected it for you. I must have missed the column of the PL table which shows "attempted transfers" alongside "goal difference"........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Yoshida should start for Fonte, unless he is not 'Saints fit'. Would also like to see Ramirez start but with the game Puncheon had yesterday he deserves to start against Arse. What does "Saints fit" mean anymore if we had to sub our best three players for being knackered ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 But its true. Yoshida represents our single attempt to strenghten our central defence in this window. Funny I could have sworn that we bought Clyne THIS window and unless I am mistaken he as RB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Funny I could have sworn that we bought Clyne THIS window and unless I am mistaken he as RB? RB central defence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 3 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 3 September, 2012 He should start. Hoiveldt came straight in. We have problems at the back, playing Fonte won't solve them. I hope that he starts too. Buying an international centreback to sit on the bench when we have conceded 8 goals in three games might seem negligently criminal if Arsenal help themselves to another three in the next match - and Yoshida is not going to learn much playing against the kids and/or waiting to see how he fares against Antonio and Madine in the Carling Cup. But replacing Fonte? Tough one. I think on overall performances thats the right call. But on obvious mistakes (that have led to two penalties) and a potential weakness that other teams might now look to expose it would be Jos though. If i was a EPL manager Im already telling my most talented ball players to get close to Hooiveld in the area as hes likely to give you a penalty....can see Podolski doing exactly that...but Fonte overall has lacked the step-up composure and his distribution underr pressure has sucked...hmm toughie....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 RB central defence Point taken - must learn to properly read the post. Apologies. Still......we will never know (probably) who we targeted officially in that position. After all didn't NA categorically state to to Simon Peach that we were NOT in for Yoshida? I get the feelng that we put a lot of feelers and offers out but didnt get the response we were looking for and/or talks broke down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I hope that he starts too. Buying an international centreback to sit on the bench when we have conceded 8 goals in three games might seem negligently criminal if Arsenal help themselves to another three in the next match - and Yoshida is not going to learn much playing against the kids and/or waiting to see how he fares against Antonio and Madine in the Carling Cup. But replacing Fonte? Tough one. I think on overall performances thats the right call. But on obvious mistakes (that have led to two penalties) and a potential weakness that other teams might now look to expose it would be Jos though. If i was a EPL manager Im already telling my most talented ball players to get close to Hooiveld in the area as hes likely to give you a penalty....can see Podolski doing exactly that...but Fonte overall has lacked the step-up composure and his distribution underr pressure has sucked...hmm toughie....... I think we should adopt the philosophy of "get the ****ing ball away from our ****ing goal,as ****ing far as ****ing possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I didn't think Fonte had that bad a game, but his reputation proceeds him now on here of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I didn't think Fonte had that bad a game, but his reputation proceeds him now on here of course. What does that mean, FFS ? Does he make costly mistakes or not ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Point taken - must learn to properly read the post. Apologies. Thanks for that. Not everybody is as intelligent and mature as you to admit that they've mis-read what I've written, I think. They are too busy going off on one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I didn't think Fonte had that bad a game, but his reputation proceeds him now on here of course. I have to agree as i thought the same tbh. On here though once a player has his critics,those critics are seeming unable to see past their original view and actually base their opinion on the events seen, i wonder why this is Perhaps the over riding feeling that they cannot be wrong...i don`t know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I have to agree as i thought the same tbh. On here though once a player has his critics,those critics are seeming unable to see past their original view and actually base their opinion on the events seen, i wonder why this is Perhaps the over riding feeling that they cannot be wrong...i don`t know Aw, thats rubbish. Puncheon's rehabillitation seems nearly complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I reckon Yoshida will be our new Monkou, Richards or Killer. Based on wishful thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Aw, thats rubbish. Puncheon's rehabillitation seems nearly complete. Not from some areas of SMS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Not from some areas of SMS Presumably those who have never heard of The Southampton Way.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint.tom.clancy Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Think I must be in the minority in thinking Fonte has been harshly judged here. Definitely made some costly mistakes already, but he's played against 2 of the best strike forces he will face this season - and Wigan. Although arguably got fouled for their second goal (not in my opinion - but could easily have been given the free kick). Davis doesn't help when he plays these suicide balls across the back, it's all well and good playing from the back, but every now and then you just need to f*ck it off into row Z. I think Maya will most probably start, although I think Podolski is nowhere near the player RVP or Tevez are, so should it be Fonte he will fare a lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I didn't think Fonte had that bad a game, but his reputation proceeds him now on here of course. Completely agree with this. Whatever happens now after 3 games, the verdicts are in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Completely agree with this. Whatever happens now after 3 games, the verdicts are in. Nonsense. He was our player of the season in League 1. Most Saints fans are very loyal to him and it pains them to see him struggling at this level. But we also cherish having our top-spot back. And in the same way so many of you endorse the decision to show no sentimentality and send Billy Sharp on his way (after 1 sub appearance, not 3 full games, FFS...), some action needs to taken about Fonte's struggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Nonsense. He was our player of the season in League 1. Most Saints fans are very loyal to him and it pains them to see him struggling at this level. But we also cherish having our top-spot back. And in the same way so many of you endorse the decision to show no sentimentality and send Billy Sharp on his way (after 1 sub appearance, not 3 full games, FFS...), some action needs to taken about Fonte's struggle. And we have another International CB ready to add competition but apparently he's a huge gamble and risk according to some before they have even seen him kick a ball for us. Fonte isn't as bad a player as people have been making out, there are worst defenders in this league. Needs to focus more and gain a bit of confidence back but his overall game along with Jos hasn't been too bad and teams haven't been steamrollering us at all. They just need a little time to adjust to the pace of the prem and if they do, they are still good defenders even at this level. Our main defensive weakness is Fox at LB, most their chances came from down that side and it doesnt help CB's when they are constantly being put under pressure but our full backs inability to cut out crosses means that they are often put under a lot of unnecessary pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ampersound Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Yoshida can score overhead kicks so I'd play him instead of Fonte against arsenal. Just love his goal against PSV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I must have missed the column of the PL table which shows "attempted transfers" alongside "goal difference"...........Completely irrelevant comment. You implied that Yoshida was our only attempt at a central defensive signing. I merely pointed out that we probably attempted several, but only succeeded in one. Please try to stick to the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Thanks for that. Not everybody is as intelligent and mature as you to admit that they've mis-read what I've written, I think. They are too busy going off on one. Try it yourself with post #29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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