Saint Billy Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 What a player this lad is going to be, I have been so impressed with the two games he has played aginst the toughest of opposition. Amazingly comfortable on the ball with no signs of panic and his work rate and distribution are up there as well. I've got to say that I am more excited about JWP than I was with Walcott and Chamberlain. For me very similar to Jack Wilshere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Top little player. Just hope that when Cork comes back he isn't thrown straight out the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 He has better than average chance of becoming a proper player one day I'd say. Now whether throwing a slightly built 17 year old into a game like yesterdays was is a good idea is another question ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 He's been excellent, vey impressed with his composure, touch and ability to keep passing moves flowing. Mind you he lost Ferdinand for their equaliser yesterday, something from which I'm sure he'll learn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge End Saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 He reminds me of a young Iniesta! The three in midfield yesterday were outstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Seeing him play like he did yesterday, I think it's astonishing he's only 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 He has better than average chance of becoming a proper player one day I'd say. Now whether throwing a slightly built 17 year old into a game like yesterdays was is a good idea is another question ...... If you're good enough you're old enough surely. He can only benefit from that sort of an experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 He reminds me of a young Iniesta! The three in midfield yesterday were outstanding. Agreed, all three were very good. Really hadn't expected Ward-Prowse to step up to quite the way he has. Can't judge the other young players against him as he is ridiculously developed and composed for someone of that age, especially in a position like centre mid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I've run out of things to say about him. He's just a natural football player, nothing is forced in his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian the Red Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 James Ward-Prowse was immense. The 3 in midfield, JWP, MS, SD were magnificent, but both JWP and SD tired in the last 10 mins or so, hardly surprising as SD is coming back from injury and JWP is only 17. Would not change these 3 in the centre of midfield. JWP will be an England international, marvellous prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 (edited) If you're good enough you're old enough surely. He can only benefit from that sort of an experience. At this level one mistake - one single mistake - and you're a goal down. Were it my call I would have started with Chaplow yesterday in centre midfield, not because I consider him the more talented of the two, but because of his vastly greater experience. Several times yesterday we all saw JWP pushed off the ball and caught in possession simply because (like any teenager) he's still learning to cope with the strength and pace of the Premier League. This lad should be nurtured and fed into the game at a measured rate - IMO that's not what happened yesterday. Edited 3 September, 2012 by CHAPEL END CHARLIE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 What a player this lad is going to be, I have been so impressed with the two games he has played aginst the toughest of opposition. Amazingly comfortable on the ball with no signs of panic and his work rate and distribution are up there as well. I've got to say that I am more excited about JWP than I was with Walcott and Chamberlain. For me very similar to Jack Wilshere. My thoughts exactly Great little player, surprised the commentators barely talked about him at such a young age, if he was at a top 4 club they would be raving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 My thoughts exactly Great little player, surprised the commentators barely talked about him at such a young age, if he was at a top 4 club they would be raving They did though. I think it's more telling that they didn't feel they needed to mention him much, he just slotted in out there against one of the best teams in the world. The Ajax and England coach have both singled this kid out for praise, so he's not being ignored. You can bet your bottom dollar that Wenger is drooling as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob40 Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 We lacked a calm head in the middle to control the game and keep possession in the last 20 minutes or so, hence we lost again. Substituting our three best offensive players on the day wasnt a great idea either as the ball stopped sticking up front at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willo Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 At this level one mistake - one single mistake - and you're a goal down. Were it my call I would have started with Chaplow yesterday in centre midfield, not because I consider him the more talented of the two, but because of his vastly greater experience. Several times yesterday we all saw JWP pushed off the ball and caught in possession simply because (like any teenager) he's still learning to cope with the strength and pace of the Premier League. This lad should be nurtured and fed into the game at a measured rate - IMO that's not what happened yesterday. But Chaplow is also capable of making one single mistake...as is nearly every player. In my opinion, as long as JWP isn't making multiple mistakes due to inexperience (which he isn't), then he should be in the side because his football ability merits it. Just my opinion of course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Scholes shows the importance of experience in the middle, prowsey will improve, playing these two games has certainly done him no harm. Its great he is getting recognition, I justhope we can keep him. Must admit Ive not heard too many outside club compliments about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 In my opinion, as long as JWP isn't making multiple mistakes due to inexperience (which he isn't), then he should be in the side because his football ability merits it. Just my opinion of course... Agreed. There may be occasions when experience is called for but from what i've seen of JWP he has a maturity far beyond his years and as a result is not prone to the panic or rash behaviour that many youngsters are, and which often lead to calls for a 'more experienced head' alongside or to replace them. I think fitness is more likely to be the issue, and not burning him out, but I have complete faith in Adkins in that regard. JWP can go a long way. IMO, the third spot in midfield is currently his, with Cork having to wait his turn. That's a great position to be in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanimal Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 He also played all game on Tuesday so noticed he didnt get knackered! Or was he...? But linked so well with Morgan, clearly a very clever lad to build that understanding so quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 absolutely immense so far, god given talent & not afraid of a 50/50. will be a club legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Reminds me of Neil Maddison. Does the simple stuff well, almost always finds a team-mate with his pass and breaks-up the opposition play. Be interesting to see how he develops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 (edited) Agreed. There may be occasions when experience is called for but from what i've seen of JWP he has a maturity far beyond his years and as a result is not prone to the panic or rash behaviour that many youngsters are, and which often lead to calls for a 'more experienced head' alongside or to replace them. I think fitness is more likely to be the issue, and not burning him out, but I have complete faith in Adkins in that regard. JWP can go a long way. IMO, the third spot in midfield is currently his, with Cork having to wait his turn. That's a great position to be in. Without wishing to start a fight my friend the above is just not how I see things at all ! Unlike physically well developed young players such as Bale (or Rooney to take a extreme example) JWP still has the build of a typical 17 year old lad. If playing on the wing that might not matter all that much, but the centre of midfield does require brute strength as well as ability does it not ? As for the likelihood of this lad running out of steam, well from what I've seen thus far he has a tremendous engine on him. Late in the second half when Lambert found himself free in the box looking to cross it for to a team mate, JWP was steaming down the park at a rate of knots that might well have got him alongside Jenson Button on pole at Spa ! I really wouldn't worry about that aspect of his game. Again I'm afraid I just can't agree that Jack Cork is in all that much danger of losing his place either - for now anyway. Cork is a smashing player who (in my judgment) comes straight back into the starting 11 when he's fit again. JC is well of ahead of JWP in terms of both physical development, technical ability (to a degree) and experience. JWP looks set to become a very good footballer before very long, and every Saints fan should rejoice in that, but good things only come to those who wait sometimes. Edited 3 September, 2012 by CHAPEL END CHARLIE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Seems to be our version of Joe Allen, has the potential to star for England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Technically excellent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I not usually one for hyperbole but he's excellent. Truly outstanding for a nipper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Reminds me of Neil Maddison. Does the simple stuff well, almost always finds a team-mate with his pass and breaks-up the opposition play. Be interesting to see how he develops. Hmmm. Not sure this comparison is really complimentary!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 absolutely immense so far, god given talent & not afraid of a 50/50. will be a club legend. Reminded me of the yourng Steve Williams but with probably even more potential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 He's seventeen. SEVENTEEN. This guy, this guy is going to be f*cking superb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 He was excellent yesterday. The whole front six were. What a signing Davis could turn out to be too. And I'm pleased - I prefer Lallana in that attacking role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanh Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 He was excellent yesterday. He tired in the last 15 mins as many of our players did and I had him down as a candidate for substitution when AL was taken off instead. He went down with cramp towards the end which hilights that he is still getting used to the pace of the Prem. he had one nervy moment inthe first 15 mins when he just hoofed a clearance, but after that he was composed andmeasured all afternoon and compared favourably alongside Davis who has much more experience doing a similar role. If he develops as he should then we've got a real asset on our hands which hopefully we can keep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 At this level one mistake - one single mistake - and you're a goal down. Were it my call I would have started with Chaplow yesterday in centre midfield, not because I consider him the more talented of the two, but because of his vastly greater experience. Several times yesterday we all saw JWP pushed off the ball and caught in possession simply because (like any teenager) he's still learning to cope with the strength and pace of the Premier League. This lad should be nurtured and fed into the game at a measured rate - IMO that's not what happened yesterday. Think you're on your own with this view mate. JWP held his own well yesterday ... just as well as chaplow or any more experienced player would have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Without wishing to start a fight my friend the above is just not how I see things at all ! No fight required here! We're not exactly at polar opposite views, we both rate him, you just feel his lack of physical presence is more of an issue than I do. It is ultimately a good problem to have and Cork is an excellent player in a very similar mould IMO. Above all else, I trust Adkins to manage him and introduce him correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Reminded me of the yourng Steve Williams but with probably even more potential That's what we said as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Forgive me as I only watched on television. He was great against City but I barely noticed him in midfield against United. Morgan seemed to be everywhere at once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Forgive me as I only watched on television. He was great against City but I barely noticed him in midfield against United. Morgan seemed to be everywhere at once. I think you needed to be there to appreciate W-P yesterday, lots of off the ball running and closing down and great composure in tight areas, which may not have come across on TV as it did live. Morgan ran the show, absolutely, but W-P wasn't far behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I think you needed to be there to appreciate W-P yesterday, lots of off the ball running and closing down and great composure in tight areas, which may not have come across on TV as it did live. Morgan ran the show, absolutely, but W-P wasn't far behind. Morgan was awesome in the last game against them too, if I recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Prowsey @j_w_prowse been a good first day away with England u19's, recovery day done! flying out to Germany tomorrow morning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 With respect chapel I think the likes of spain, barca and many other midfield maestros that playing in midfield does not mean you need brute strength. Wilshere certainly doesnt have that. Tenacity and the right attitude yes but certainly mot brute strength Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 With respect chapel I think the likes of spain, barca and many other midfield maestros that playing in midfield does not mean you need brute strength. Wilshere certainly doesnt have that. Tenacity and the right attitude yes but certainly mot brute strength You're correct. There are still mentalities in this country that players need to be tall, strong, big and powerful to succeed. It's not really true, the game is changing. Skill, agility and intelligence to pickup space and read the game can often count for more than brute force. I'm all for getting the youngsters coached on that first, and leave the ''baulking'' up till later and let that naturally happen. I mean look at Messi..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_lambden Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 We really needed a CM on the bench yesterday because JWP was knackered by the end. He was terrific but I think he started to cramp up by 75 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I remember being a very lone and often derided voice when Morgan Schneiderlin showed up here and I likened him to Pires and predicted he would turn out to be one of our truly all time great signings (still with the caveat.. if we can keep him) and a nailed on certainty for international honours. "Nah" you all said.. "****" y'all said... This lad is 17, already he looks like a young Carrick. I don't think he really has the silky skills of Morgan but he has extremely good reading of a game, is comfortable on the ball and picks out some great passes - in some ways a typically good quality attacking English midfielder who should make the England team in a few years. Not yet quite an automatic first team pick but bloody close but we must hope he is not phased by the arrival of Ramirez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 He has better than average chance of becoming a proper player one day I'd say. Now whether throwing a slightly built 17 year old into a game like yesterdays was is a good idea is another question ...... Judging by his performance I'm surprised you needed to ask the question. I was impressed by his City performance but I thought yesterday he upped his game even more. Very impressed. Think consistency will be the key this season but if he's playing well I see no reason to drop the lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogs Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Majestic performance yesterday,so willing,so confident,i am more excited about this lad than any previous youngster.What a future he must have,i wish him all the best this season,he could be a great Saint legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 For those that don't think the media made much reference to Ward-Prowse on Sunday, you obviously didn't listen to the radio commentary and/or watch Match of The day. On Both of those he was singled out for particular praise. As to whether he made mistakes, etc. and whether he, Chaplow or Cork are better, I agree that he did fail to pick up Ferdinand, but also agree he will learn from that. However, I think we will probably see Adkins rotating the three of them (and Schneiderlin and Davis) to get the best from them and to ensure he doesn't overuse any players. I suspect therefore that we will start to see Cork coming back into the first team soon and Ward-Prowse becoming sub, but there will still be some matches where Adkins will give JWP a start. Over time we will have to wait and see!! The competition will do them all good!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsAhoy Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Great to see his pre-arsenal press conference on Saints player. Hard to believe he's only 17. I'm twice his age and half as mature. Think we really have a future England player on our hands if we can keep hold of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Ah journo on 5live was drooling about JWP. He said he heard he was a prospect and saw him play live against both Manchester clubs... He was outstanding against United he said and could not believe he is 17.he plays with his head up. Technically has it and makes intelligent passes and runs.... He says he has a similar look to lampard in that he plays with his head up looking for good passes...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 He's been doing well, let's hope he stays injury free and at Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Which means he will be gone by this time next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 Which means he will be gone by this time next year Are you Alpine in disguise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 I mean look at Messi..... Yeah, his physique is a natural consequence of patience and patience alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 13 September, 2012 Share Posted 13 September, 2012 I remember being a very lone and often derided voice when Morgan Schneiderlin showed up here and I likened him to Pires and predicted he would turn out to be one of our truly all time great signings (still with the caveat.. if we can keep him) and a nailed on certainty for international honours. "Nah" you all said.. "****" y'all said... This lad is 17, already he looks like a young Carrick. I don't think he really has the silky skills of Morgan but he has extremely good reading of a game, is comfortable on the ball and picks out some great passes - in some ways a typically good quality attacking English midfielder who should make the England team in a few years. Not yet quite an automatic first team pick but bloody close but we must hope he is not phased by the arrival of Ramirez Schneiderlin like Pires? Ramirez coming in having an impact on Ward-Prowse's role? Do you know that there are different types of 'midfielder'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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