sadoldgit Posted 26 October, 2014 Share Posted 26 October, 2014 I'd picked up on the packed bag earlier. It looked like there could well have been a big argument between them and she was going to leave that night. I think she was supposed to have eaten something not long before she was shot too which would indicate that she had been up for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 27 October, 2014 Share Posted 27 October, 2014 (edited) Interesting that the prosecution are going to appeal against both the verdict and the sentence. Edited 27 October, 2014 by sadoldgit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 27 October, 2014 Share Posted 27 October, 2014 Interesting that the prosecution are going to appeal both the conviction and the sentence. So what happens if they win on the conviction but lose on the sentence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 October, 2014 Share Posted 27 October, 2014 Interesting that the prosecution are going to appeal against both the verdict and the sentence. Not that interesting really. Either side would have appealed depending on the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 27 October, 2014 Share Posted 27 October, 2014 I said it was interesting because the mother and father both seemed to be done with it all. Clearly they have changed their minds. If the verdict is overturned and they get a successful murder verdict the sentence will have to change. If they are not successful with the verdict appeal then the sentence will come under review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 October, 2014 Share Posted 27 October, 2014 I said it was interesting because the mother and father both seemed to be done with it all. Clearly they have changed their minds. If the verdict is overturned and they get a successful murder verdict the sentence will have to change. If they are not successful with the verdict appeal then the sentence will come under review. South African prosecutors are appealing. As I understand it that has nothing to do with the family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 27 October, 2014 Share Posted 27 October, 2014 I'd say it has a great deal to do with the family. The prosecution would not just go ahead and appeal without consulting the family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 October, 2014 Share Posted 27 October, 2014 I'd say it has a great deal to do with the family. The prosecution would not just go ahead and appeal without consulting the family. So you are saying that if the family didn't want to appeal that the south African prosecutors would not do so? Even if they felt the verdict was incorrect? That doesn't sound right at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 27 October, 2014 Share Posted 27 October, 2014 I am saying that if the family say they are satisfied with the verdict and sentence and don't feel they can go through with any more of this, the prosecutors need to take that on board. That seemed to be their position after the sentence but they may well have changed their minds after discussing the situation with the prosecution team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 27 October, 2014 Share Posted 27 October, 2014 Personally I am delighted that the verdict is being challenged by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 October, 2014 Share Posted 27 October, 2014 (edited) I am saying that if the family say they are satisfied with the verdict and sentence and don't feel they can go through with any more of this, the prosecutors need to take that on board. That seemed to be their position after the sentence but they may well have changed their minds after discussing the situation with the prosecution team. So the phrase "clearly they have changed their minds" isn't true then is it. There is clearly more at stake here than just the feelings of the parents and they would no doubt have appealed whatever the parents think because it is such a high profile case with a lot riding on it. As I said, either side were going to appeal whatever the outcome so it's neither a surprise nor an indication that anything will be changed. Edited 27 October, 2014 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 27 October, 2014 Share Posted 27 October, 2014 Not one of life's happy bunnies are you mate. Whatever. You clearly know a great deal about the South African legal system so I defer to your superior knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 October, 2014 Share Posted 27 October, 2014 Not one of life's happy bunnies are you mate. Whatever. You clearly know a great deal about the South African legal system so I defer to your superior knowledge. Perfectly happy and content thanks. You don't know me. I know about as much as you regarding the south African legal system, the difference is I'm not making up stuff. The parents haven't "clearly changed their minds" have they? There is no evidence for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 27 October, 2014 Share Posted 27 October, 2014 I am not making stuff up either mate. Did you see and hear what the parents said after the sentence? I'll share this with you. In the British legal system it would not be "obvious" that there would be an appeal. These trials cost an awful lot of money and there would be a great deal of discussion about whether an appeal is a) likely to succeed and b) in the public interest before a decision was made about an appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 October, 2014 Share Posted 27 October, 2014 I am not making stuff up either mate. Did you see and hear what the parents said after the sentence? I'll share this with you. In the British legal system it would not be "obvious" that there would be an appeal. These trials cost an awful lot of money and there would be a great deal of discussion about whether an appeal is a) likely to succeed and b) in the public interest before a decision was made about an appeal. Where is the evidence that the parents have clearly changed their minds? Please show me because I can't see to find it. Why are you using the British justice system to look at this case? As has already been pointed out to you, that's irrelevant here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 28 October, 2014 Share Posted 28 October, 2014 Where is the evidence that the parents have clearly changed their minds? Please show me because I can't see to find it. Why are you using the British justice system to look at this case? As has already been pointed out to you, that's irrelevant here. The fact the mum is calling him a cvnt left right and centre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 October, 2014 Share Posted 28 October, 2014 The fact the mum is calling him a cvnt left right and centre. Why is that evidence that she changed her mind and wants to appeal now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 28 October, 2014 Share Posted 28 October, 2014 Where is the evidence that the parents have clearly changed their minds? Please show me because I can't see to find it. Why are you using the British justice system to look at this case? As has already been pointed out to you, that's irrelevant here. You really are a strange little chap arent't you? I dont understand why you are getting your knickers in a twist over this. I'll help you out. When I saw the interviews with the parents immediately after the verdict and the sentencing they (especially the mother) seemed broken by the whole experience and (especially after the sentencing) said they we glad is was finally over. To me this does not sound like a couple who wanted to go through the whole circus again. There was certainly no talk of wanting an appeal and they just seemed like that was it. That is why, to me, I said it was interesting that there was now going to be an appeal. Because I thought they had already spoken to their layers and said this is it please. Nothing more sinister than that. Perhaps they (by they I mean the prosecution team) but that did not come across in the interviews with the Mum and Dad who seemed relieved that it was over. That is why I was surprised that there is an appeal. I hope this helps you? I do worry that you are getting yourself worked up unnecessarily. Oh and by the way, irrespective of what nationality the justice system is, dont you think it would be a basic requirement that the prosecution team would talk to the family involved about any decision to appeal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 October, 2014 Share Posted 28 October, 2014 You really are a strange little chap arent't you? I dont understand why you are getting your knickers in a twist over this. I'll help you out. When I saw the interviews with the parents immediately after the verdict and the sentencing they (especially the mother) seemed broken by the whole experience and (especially after the sentencing) said they we glad is was finally over. To me this does not sound like a couple who wanted to go through the whole circus again. There was certainly no talk of wanting an appeal and they just seemed like that was it. That is why, to me, I said it was interesting that there was now going to be an appeal. Because I thought they had already spoken to their layers and said this is it please. Nothing more sinister than that. Perhaps they (by they I mean the prosecution team) but that did not come across in the interviews with the Mum and Dad who seemed relieved that it was over. That is why I was surprised that there is an appeal. I hope this helps you? I do worry that you are getting yourself worked up unnecessarily. Oh and by the way, irrespective of what nationality the justice system is, dont you think it would be a basic requirement that the prosecution team would talk to the family involved about any decision to appeal? Again why do you keep saying things like "knickers in a twist" or start getting personal? I'm perfectly calm thanks. I'm not saying anything about you other than your original statement that "clearly the parents have changed their minds" is untrue. Nowhere is it clear that the parents have clearly changed their minds from last week which is what you said. I expect they probably take the view of the family into account and perhaps they have changed their minds (though that isn't "clear" from what we know.) Personally I believe they considered this case to be so high profile and thus in the public interest to push for the harshest sentence they can to act as a deterrent to South African society who have a large number of gun toting loonies (according to my South African mate anyway who has been following the case.) IMO this would be their first consideration rather than what the family thinks. Oh and thanks for the mock concern but it's a little weird you think I am worked up, I don't pretend to know how you're feeling when typing your reply on a keyboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 28 October, 2014 Share Posted 28 October, 2014 No one else has bothered to respond in the way you have and you have spent more time on a non issue than any reasonable person would do. Frankly I have better things to do with my life than to play internet tennis with you over this so let us just both agree that there will be an appeal and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 October, 2014 Share Posted 28 October, 2014 No one else has bothered to respond in the way you have and you have spent more time on a non issue than any reasonable person would do. Frankly I have better things to do with my life than to play internet tennis with you over this so let us just both agree that there will be an appeal and move on. What difference does no one else responding mean? No one has responded in the way you have. Each post has taken me about thirty seconds to compose so it's really not taking up a lot of my day. Let's agree that your first comment was wrong. By you ignoring it again I'll take that as an apology and we can move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 28 October, 2014 Share Posted 28 October, 2014 Oh and by the way, irrespective of what nationality the justice system is, dont you think it would be a basic requirement that the prosecution team would talk to the family involved about any decision to appeal? Can I just butt in here and say I really, really hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 October, 2014 Share Posted 28 October, 2014 Can I just butt in here and say I really, really hope not. Thanks for the support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 28 October, 2014 Share Posted 28 October, 2014 If it's like our justice system, which I know it isn't with regards to jury etc, then this is a crime against the state and it has nothing to do with the family, the family will only get involved if it was a civil matter, which this is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 October, 2014 Share Posted 28 October, 2014 If it's like our justice system, which I know it isn't with regards to jury etc, then this is a crime against the state and it has nothing to do with the family, the family will only get involved if it was a civil matter, which this is not. Which was my entire point. The appeal has nothing to do with the family changing their minds. You would have thought that someone who works for the cps would know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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