Smirking_Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 I dont remember him worrying me so much last year, but right now every time the ball goes near me he scares the life out of me. His distribution is terrible and could have easily cost us the game in its self today, especially when we are fragile defensively surely putting the back four under so much pressure because of some criminal passing to the full backs. Also his shot stopping, does he ever hold anything ? And far too many of his 'saves' end up in the worst position often bouncing into prime positions in the box. I dont like criticising players and have been defending him recently but thought he lOoked v poor today, am I the only one that thought he might have been able to do better with the first goal too ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 He seems to be very poor at his near post. His distribution has always been his weakness even since we were in League One. I had presumed we'd sign a keeper over the summer that would be first choice. I'll give him a bit more time though. Looked like he could have got a hand to Van Persie's header on MOTD.. Possibly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 To be fair, he had no chance with the first one. Most difficult save in the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Maybe, I just hope for his sake he improves as, for me Id be looking seriously for GK replacements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 First no chance, 2nd he shouldn't have let get on the post, 3rd would have been world class if he stopped. He's saved 2 pen's this year and just needs to be a little better with his kicking. He's not the worst keeper in the league (Federici looks to be having a nightmare of a season so far) but he's not a long term option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 I'd love to see his penalty save stats. He's made a fair few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 To be fair, he had no chance with the first one. Most difficult save in the book. It hit his leg. He almost inadvertently saved it. A move of his knee about 10 cms to his left and he probably would have saved it. Distribution was utterly awful today, could have easily conceded 2 goals from those giveaway passes to Fox and Clyne. Read the penalty well (again), not sure if he could/should have got to Ferdinand's header for the second, not much he could do with the third. But he just doesn't do it for me, I think it'll not be long until Gazza gets his chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 No chance with the goals but I agree he looks shaky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 It hit his leg. He almost inadvertently saved it. A move of his knee about 10 cms to his left and he probably would have saved it. Distribution was utterly awful today, could have easily conceded 2 goals from those giveaway passes to Fox and Clyne. Read the penalty well (again), not sure if he could/should have got to Ferdinand's header for the second, not much he could do with the third. But he just doesn't do it for me, I think it'll not be long until Gazza gets his chance. I'm defending him for the first goal. That's all. He gave the ball away once, fair enough, but to do the same thing a short time afterwards is unforgivable. He needs to improve, but he's pprobably the best we've got at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 If we were to look elsewhere don't forget Craig Gordon is still a free agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 If we were to look elsewhere don't forget Craig Gordon is still a free agent. Decent keeper if fit. Sadly that's a very big if. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 excellent shot stopper...distributions horrific Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 (edited) When Richard Wright came in on loan a couple of years back he was a huge improvement over Kelv. And it's questionable whether he's premier league class himself. I'm fond of Kelvin but his kicking ends up giving the ball away, he's not very agile any more and his positioning is suspect Edited 2 September, 2012 by Ex Lion Tamer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opthomps Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 He isn't prem class. We should try and get Friedel in the short term. Class act still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 He isn't prem class. We should try and get Friedel in the short term. Class act still. We're two days too late for that. Kelvin is OK, and will be OK at least until January, but his distribution was woeful today. Just punt it up the field man, none of these stray short balls to the full backs. I did notice today his movement isn't what it was - one dive to his left reminded me of Dave Beasant, it looked very stiff, like an old man was doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Not a Premier League keeper, big mistake not improving on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Dear oh dear. The wrist-slitting bashers are really out in-force tonight. SKD is a perfectly good keeper if he had a decent defence in front of him. Fox was partly to blame for KD's 'pass' - he strolled back so slowly it was inevitable that he would be beaten to the ball. Their 1st goal was not KD's fault - nor was it Clyne's fault he slipped. 2nd and 3rd goals came about because of defensive errors (Fox/Guly/Fonte) and KD didn't stand a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Is Kasey Keller free - U.S.A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Craig Gordon cdajfu KD will cost us alot of points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Dear oh dear. The wrist-slitting bashers are really out in-force tonight. SKD is a perfectly good keeper if he had a decent defence in front of him. Fox was partly to blame for KD's 'pass' - he strolled back so slowly it was inevitable that he would be beaten to the ball. Their 1st goal was not KD's fault - nor was it Clyne's fault he slipped. 2nd and 3rd goals came about because of defensive errors (Fox/Guly/Fonte) and KD didn't stand a chance. Im not a wrist slitter if anything im far from it. I like Kelvin, he has been a tremendous servant to the club and despite everyone telling me over the summer I have been defending him but this is the third game in the prem Ihave seen of him and honestly I think he has gonebackwards over the summer. The three goals he probably couldnt have done much about but another day his woeful passing and parrying back into danger would cost us. How you can blame fox for that frankly abysmal pass Ill never know, if my passing was that bad on a sunday id be straight off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 No chance with the goals but I agree he looks shaky. It matters not what he has done for us the last few seasons We are noe (back) in the Prem, where, if you are NOT Prem Class you will be found out Davis has been found out IMHO, he is NOT Prem class I said before and I'll say again, he is our Achilles heel, and by January, no-one will be able to contradict that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I'm defending him for the first goal. That's all. He gave the ball away once, fair enough, but to do the same thing a short time afterwards is unforgivable. He needs to improve, but he's pprobably the best we've got at the moment. I disagree Gazzaniga is already better than Davis IMHO I reckon Adkins will "blood" him within the next two matches He will be left with no choice I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I disagreeGazzaniga is already better than Davis IMHOI reckon Adkins will "blood" him within the next two matchesHe will be left with no choice I thinkI would wager Nigel will not do anything of the sort - to change one of his dependable senior players at a time where he needs experience to shine through would be close on suicidal for the team and his career. Gazza may be one for the future, but he's by no means the finished product and ready to take responsibility for a defence that is extremely shaky and lacking confidence at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wireframebox Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Another good performance in the cup and I think Gazzaniga will get a start in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 He's gone back into Sunderland mode. Too old. Too slow. Part of a bad defence we don't seem interested enough in bolstering. But hey! Let's just get another striker to balls up team spirit shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Im not a wrist slitter if anything im far from it. I like Kelvin, he has been a tremendous servant to the club and despite everyone telling me over the summer I have been defending him but this is the third game in the prem Ihave seen of him and honestly I think he has gonebackwards over the summer. The three goals he probably couldnt have done much about but another day his woeful passing and parrying back into danger would cost us. How you can blame fox for that frankly abysmal pass Ill never know, if my passing was that bad on a sunday id be straight off. I did say PARTLY to blame. Point is, to come out after the game and start pointing the finger of blame at KD when he had no chance saving their goals is daft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 We got promotion and everyone expects every player in the side to be a top premiership player. Accept that some players have their limitations, will make mistakes and won't get in the team of the year and you'll enjoy the season a lot more. We won't win games right left and centre. Players will be outclassed. Accept it and enjoy the ride. The wins will taste that much sweeter and the season will feel epic. Getting fed up of I want, I want,cry baby fans getting on the backs of players that have taken this club from the depths to the pinnacle in just two years. Yes their is no room for sentiment in football, but there is certainly some room to cut them some slack for at least a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 We got promotion and everyone expects every player in the side to be a top premiership player. Accept that some players have their limitations, will make mistakes and won't get in the team of the year and you'll enjoy the season a lot more. We won't win games right left and centre. Players will be outclassed. Accept it and enjoy the ride. The wins will taste that much sweeter and the season will feel epic. Getting fed up of I want, I want,cry baby fans getting on the backs of players that have taken this club from the depths to the pinnacle in just two years. Yes their is no room for sentiment in football, but there is certainly some room to cut them some slack for at least a season. Yes, fair point. It would just be nice if the club paid attention to the more pressing areas in need of strengthening (which does not mean ejecting players) and not piling on the attackers. Seems very blinkered approach to me, which is upsetting when our non-marking defence lose it in Fergie time. PS where DID those four minutes come from? Anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isla Wight Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 excellent shot stopper...distributions horrific Totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I would bring Craig Gordon in,distribution got to be better than Kelvin's surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieDog Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 We got promotion and everyone expects every player in the side to be a top premiership player. Accept that some players have their limitations, will make mistakes and won't get in the team of the year and you'll enjoy the season a lot more. We won't win games right left and centre. Players will be outclassed. Accept it and enjoy the ride. The wins will taste that much sweeter and the season will feel epic. Getting fed up of I want, I want,cry baby fans getting on the backs of players that have taken this club from the depths to the pinnacle in just two years. Yes their is no room for sentiment in football, but there is certainly some room to cut them some slack for at least a season. Couldn't agree more. This season is about consolidation and survival and anything else is a bonus. Of course we are aiming higher, but it's not a disaster if we "only" achieve survival. I wish people would be more realistic. As an aside.... Swansea got 1 point from the same 3 fixtures last season with a GD of -5, Norwich got 1 point with a GD of -5, QPR got 3 points and a GD of -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I would wager Nigel will not do anything of the sort - to change one of his dependable senior players at a time where he needs experience to shine through would be close on suicidal for the team and his career. Gazza may be one for the future, but he's by no means the finished product and ready to take responsibility for a defence that is extremely shaky and lacking confidence at the moment. What's the point of being experienced if you no longer can do the biz, and IMHO KD no longer can How long are you going to put up with poor Prem performances from a "senior dependable" player ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 He's ok. Love him for what he's contributed to the club since he's been here. As for his kicking, well yes it's pretty poor. However people need to realise he's being asked to play it out short. If he was tasked with walloping long every time we wouldn't be having this discussion. Therefore his poor short passes are not just his fault, it's how the management want to play the game and they are surely aware of his limitations in that department and willing to take the associated risks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I did say PARTLY to blame. Point is, to come out after the game and start pointing the finger of blame at KD when he had no chance saving their goals is daft. Dont remember where I blamed him for the loss yesterday, I merely said I worry he has gone backwards. Yes defence v poor but if yourworried about the man behind you it puts you off your game. I am willing to give him the benefitof the doubt and would never boo etc I just feel dependant on the aim this season KD couldbe a hinderance. Im happy for survival, v happy but in the essence of discussion I wanted to point out my concerns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 He deserves his crack, but he will be moved to one-side within time. Would imagine he will become a backup and then eventually a coach for us in the coming seasons. Top bloke, top captain and top player for us - but we've got to evolve and we won't reach the levels we want with Kelvin in goal, that's the reality unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I had 3 separate taxts from different non Saints supporting mates after the City and Utd games which they watched live on Sky and all 3 (without prompting!) reckoned that our keeper looked a bit suspect/dodgy ! For me there are question marks, but it is interesting that neutral observers also see a potential weakness !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeSixty Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Completely lost his head/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Timmier Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Fox made the first of his two poor passes look worse than it was. Fox hugging the touchline waiting for the ball to come to him caused the problem IMO. The second was horrific though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Just re-watched the two passes that were intercepted and it appears more than likely to me that the intercepting Man U players were unsighted when Davis played his passes out, and in BOTH cases, the receiving player did not move towards the ball at all, a basic error IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenger Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 It really sickens me to read the uneducated drivel coming from uneducated idiots on this forum! Saints are now in a league where the long punt up field is a risk as it is important to keep possession in this league as you will be punished if you lose it, I am sure that the tactic is to play it out from the back and that this has been worked on in training, however the back four have to want the ball and make themselves available to receive it and this is not always happening! Keepers make errors ask Robert Green, Reina and Chech!! We have played three games and two of these against two of the best teams in Europe if not the world and given a good account of ourselves so shut up whining and get behind the team. Oh and remember Kelvin was voted the Championship keeper of the year last year which in my book makes him more than adequate for Southampton Nobba's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 He's ok. Love him for what he's contributed to the club since he's been here. As for his kicking, well yes it's pretty poor. However people need to realise he's being asked to play it out short. If he was tasked with walloping long every time we wouldn't be having this discussion. Therefore his poor short passes are not just his fault, it's how the management want to play the game and they are surely aware of his limitations in that department and willing to take the associated risks. absolutely spot on and I back that philosophy personally. Keep the ball at all costs. Swansea did it and it worked well for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Fox made the first of his two poor passes look worse than it was. Fox hugging the touchline waiting for the ball to come to him caused the problem IMO. The second was horrific though. spot on as well. Fox was far far too casual, on his heels. if he had been awake no one would have hardly noticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgnorthSaint Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Dear oh dear. The wrist-slitting bashers are really out in-force tonight. SKD is a perfectly good keeper if he had a decent defence in front of him. Fox was partly to blame for KD's 'pass' - he strolled back so slowly it was inevitable that he would be beaten to the ball. Their 1st goal was not KD's fault - nor was it Clyne's fault he slipped. 2nd and 3rd goals came about because of defensive errors (Fox/Guly/Fonte) and KD didn't stand a chance. Pretty much agree with this myself - Most of our errors lie with the defenders not the GK - A lot of the Premiership GKs are made to look good by the quality of the defence in front of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 I have supported KD all along and there have been lots of fans waiting to pounce at the first chance of having a go at him. I agree that tis season he has seemed less assured, but realistically to blame him for any of the goals sunday is laughable. Rio had a free header in the middle of the box and so KD had no chance, we were just unlucky that the ball came straight out to RVP. Joe Hart has let in loads of goals this season and he has a superb defence in front of him, KD has Fox and Fonte there. As for his passing out, i agree the 2 sunday were a disaster, but our own players were back on their heels and did not come for the ball, add to that the amount of times they pass back and put him under pressure with onrushing forwards and he is going to make bad passes. As for fans saying that the new keeper is better than KD,this is groundhog day yet again, with Bart etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 spot on as well. Fox was far far too casual, on his heels. if he had been awake no one would have hardly noticed. There's no denying they were short passes. What was the best that could happen? A pass back to flappy Kelvin who would then hoof it upfield in a panic. No need for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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