Thedelldays Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 There wasn't really a need for a "new broom" though. There was a way to keep complete control yet still retain the advantages of having the old guard onside with you. Lawrie had been ousted from the club long before the Liebherr revolution, Rupert Lowe saw to that straight after the Sheffield United staying up game. So he wasn't part of the previous at all. MLT is a different story, and neither side filled themselves with glory in the aftermath of the takeover, if we're honest. Things have simply progressed on from there. Its such a needless childish spat (from both sides) that its almost embarrassing to point out how pathetic it all is, and how it only harms both parties, there are no benefits to it at all (except for Cortese to feel he has the power and for MLT to provide his retorts via the media). You say childish spat from both sides Where is it that we can see NC public spat? What is MLT problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Unfortunately I don't even agree with what MLT has written, it really is open to question whether a "reasonable man" would really write something that even suggests there are "pro Cortese people". This is not a playground Matt, there are not 2 gangs of people. There are people who are adult and who dislike this petty behaviour and there are immature children who treat this like a game and want to get one over on the other person. Matt is one of the latter and needs to grow up. Putting stuff like this on Twitter just continues to make him look like a very silly childish prat. Cortese may be a little of the same, but at least he has the dignity not to use silly so-called social media aka children's toys to have a go. Do the decent thing Matt, contact Cortese, meet with him in private, sort out your differences, show some good grace and then STFU. What if Cortese won't meet or speak with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 What if Cortese won't meet or speak with him? About what? What is MLT problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Le Tiss just tweeted someone saying how he was told that Cortese seriously considered changing Lambert's number so fans couldn't chant "he wears the shirt of Matt Le Tiss". What a child if that is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Le Tiss just tweeted someone saying how he was told that Cortese seriously considered changing Lambert's number so fans couldn't chant "he wears the shirt of Matt Le Tiss". What a child if that is true. Again, if true I would guess most on twitter is far from true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merrimd Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 What if Cortese won't meet or speak with him? Then it won't get sorted. Is *****ing in social media the way to get him to meet though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Le Tiss just tweeted someone saying how he was told that Cortese seriously considered changing Lambert's number so fans couldn't chant "he wears the shirt of Matt Le Tiss". What a child if that is true. Let's stick to facts, the one we are dealing with now is his ' tweet. Something that is a FACT we have observed first hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 What if Cortese won't meet or speak with him? If you're trying to base an argument on 'what if?' you might as well ride on mate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 (edited) Le Tiss just tweeted someone saying how he was told that Cortese seriously considered changing Lambert's number so fans couldn't chant "he wears the shirt of Matt Le Tiss". What a child if that is true. He has? I have his twitter page open right now and see nothing of the sort. Did he delete it? The most recent tweet I see is the one where he writes If genuine saints fans knew what he'd done to lawrie mac fran benali and others who dont wish to be named your opinion may differ somewhat Which is puzzling in itself as he seems happy to criticise NC in public as has Benali so I don't understand what is preventing any of these jilted legends explaining their grievance. Edited 7 September, 2012 by MOSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 About what? What is MLT problem? Having his season ticket blocked? Turning up at events and having Saints staff keep away from him. Or you think Tiss is lying? He's hardly known for being a trouble maker or someone that goes looking for confrontation is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooh it's a corner Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Again, if true I would guess most on twitter is far from true "The trouble with internet quotes, is that they are very hard to validate" Abraham Lincoln, 1863 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 He has? I have his twitter page open right now and see nothing of the sort. Did he delete it? The most recent tweet I see is the one where he writes Look at the top of the Tweets it has two options "All/ No replies". Click on all and you should see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Having his season ticket blocked? Turning up at events and having Saints staff keep away from him. Or you think Tiss is lying? He's hardly known for being a trouble maker or someone that goes looking for confrontation is he? I don't know. I do remember MLT getting Jeff Stelling to rant about NC on soccer Saturday and it was found to be completely bull shyt. So I am happy to reserve judgement and let them get on with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Having his season ticket blocked? Turning up at events and having Saints staff keep away from him. Or you think Tiss is lying? He's hardly known for being a trouble maker or someone that goes looking for confrontation is he? They stopped the st being transferred to a different user, that's part of the t&cs I believe. Maybe deemed petty, but, within their rights wouldn't u agree? I agree with wade g, pit ur dummy back in Matt. Since the takeover he obviously has a problem with da management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 If you're trying to base an argument on 'what if?' you might as well ride on mate... It was a fairly obvious point to the post I was replying to, but if you're incapable of comprehending that you might as well ride on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 (edited) Look at the top of the Tweets it has two options "All/ No replies". Click on all and you should see it. Oh yeah now I see it. Although the "I've been told" makes it seem like more hear say. Matt Le Tissier @mattletiss7 @upthesaints ive been told he seriously considered changing rickie shirt number so fans couldnt sing that song anymore He also implies Guly was entirely NC's doing, but many people already thought that already. Edited 7 September, 2012 by MOSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 It's a pity Matty can't just keep himself to himself. It obviously takes two to tango but Cortese hasen't come out slagging Matt off every chance he get's. Matt is no angel himself and should remember that. Respect everything the guy did for us but I don't see how he is going to sort the situation out by keep making remarks. Like the one above about Lamberts shirt number. That suggests Cortese would mess with the football side of things to soothe his own ego. Which doesn't fit his character at all. In the 3 years the guy has been here you could probably count on one hand the amount of public interviews/statements he has done. So while some seem to be placing the blame at Cortese's feet what is it he has actually done? There are so many "my friend said xyz" type rumours and nobody knows if they are true. Like for example someone I know who used to work at the club just after the takeover said the bad blood comes from the takeover and more specifically that Matt blamed Cortese and co for his own bid failing. Then there are other rumours as others have mentioned. But one thing is for sure and that it is Matt who keeps talking about it. He alludes to something but never goes far enough to actually say what the problem is. Why won't he just come out and say what the issue is? Is it because he is worried he will get sued by Cortese? It is sad they can't sort it out but i'm of the opinion you have to look forwards. Markus and Cortese have done a lot of positives for this club and I would much rather look at those and have people talk about those then talk about negative he said she said rumours. That is the problem with the internet age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 It's so sad! Our greatest player (except for Terry P) who held me and thousands beyond Southampton speelbound with unique skill, now behaving like a spoilt baby, Oh Matt please stop twittering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 (edited) They stopped the st being transferred to a different user, that's part of the t&cs I believe. Maybe deemed petty, but, within their rights wouldn't u agree? I agree with wade g, pit ur dummy back in Matt. Since the takeover he obviously has a problem with da management. No I certainly would not agree. If I or anyone else lent our season ticket to a mate which happens thousands of times each season and it was blocked, we'd be fuming the same as Le Tiss. But then you agree with someone saying that Le Tiss is a c**t which speaks volumes about you as a Saints fan. Edited 7 September, 2012 by Sour Mash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Matt Le Tissier@mattletiss7 If genuine saints fans knew what he'd done to lawrie mac fran benali and others who dont wish to be named your opinion may differ somewhat{QUOTE] Terrible things like making Matt pay for his tickets. Deciding when the club was in financial difficulties Lawrie was not worth £90k to be an ambassador (standing around drinking free booze and talking ******** to ****ed businessmen). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 They stopped the st being transferred to a different user, that's part of the t&cs I believe. Maybe deemed petty, but, within their rights wouldn't u agree? I agree with wade g, pit ur dummy back in Matt. Since the takeover he obviously has a problem with da management. One rule applies for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 I don't know. I do remember MLT getting Jeff Stelling to rant about NC on soccer Saturday and it was found to be completely bull shyt. So I am happy to reserve judgement and let them get on with it What was 'complete bull shyt'? For what its worth I'd rather he didn't stick this up on the twitter, but the bloke is obviously gutted about the way the club he clearly loves now treats him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampshire boy Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Matt Le Tissier@mattletiss7 If genuine saints fans knew what he'd done to lawrie mac fran benali and others who dont wish to be named your opinion may differ somewhat{QUOTE] Terrible things like making Matt pay for his tickets. Deciding when the club was in financial difficulties Lawrie was not worth £90k to be an ambassador (standing around drinking free booze and talking ******** to ****ed businessmen). I do happen to know the story behind one of the areas MLT is unhappy about - supporting his mate, and I got to say I would be with him. however, social media squabbles never play out well and I disagree with how he is voicing his disgust. BTW this one isnt even football related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 No I certainly would not agree. If I or anyone else lent our season ticket to a mate which happens thousands of times each season and it was blocked, we'd be fuming the same as Le Tiss. But then you agree we someone saying that Le Tiss is a c**t which speaks volumes about you as a Saints fan. You obviously must have a screw or two lose, no one is here taking sides but are (in my opinion) rightly objecting to Matty's very public statements of defaming the current Southampton football club chairman! If you can't get this simple point, then there's not much hope really is there bitter mash! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 You obviously must have a screw or two lose, no one is here taking sides but are (in my opinion) rightly objecting to Matty's very public statements of defaming the current Southampton football club chairman! If you can't get this simple point, then there's not much hope really is there bitter mash! Yet another one that seems to hate Le Tiss. Clearly not a Saints fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Yet another one that seems to hate Le Tiss. Clearly not a Saints fan. Pathetic sod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Yet another one that seems to hate Le Tiss. Clearly not a Saints fan. Are you being serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 You obviously must have a screw or two lose, no one is here taking sides but are (in my opinion) rightly objecting to Matty's very public statements of defaming the current Southampton football club chairman! If you can't get this simple point, then there's not much hope really is there bitter mash! As far as I'm concerned Matt can defame him every single day for the rest of the year. It won't stop Adkins doing his job and won't stop us winning football matches. Who cares? It's the bloke running the club. Why do you people get upset? He's the frigging CEO, not the centre forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 (edited) I do happen to know the story behind one of the areas MLT is unhappy about - supporting his mate, and I got to say I would be with him. however, social media squabbles never play out well and I disagree with how he is voicing his disgust. BTW this one isnt even football related Well go on then?! Strangely, it was hampshire boy who posted this not manji. Edited 7 September, 2012 by Raging Bull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 As far as I'm concerned Matt can defame him every single day for the rest of the year. It won't stop Adkins doing his job and won't stop us winning football matches. Who cares? It's the bloke running the club. Why do you people get upset? He's the frigging CEO, not the centre forward. Once again you are completely missing the point. Its the fact that Matt keeps on airing this sh!t in public and is turning into a bulb! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 As far as I'm concerned Matt can defame him every single day for the rest of the year. It won't stop Adkins doing his job and won't stop us winning football matches. Who cares? It's the bloke running the club. Why do you people get upset? He's the frigging CEO, not the centre forward. See, that's where you get it wrong. He's not just any old CEO he's MY Club's CEO. For what Matty has done for this club, he is family! All my life I wanted some guy to come in and give Saints a shot at the big time. Cortese made this happen and not only that but he is obviously passionate about the club! Why then would I hold back my appreciation for this bloke? In your book, just being the 'CEO' means, who gives a sh't... In my book, like Matty, he deserves respect, HE'S FAMILY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Well go on then?! Strangely, it was hampshire boy who posted this not manji. Ive been framed. Dark Forces are at work ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Once again you are completely missing the point. Its the fact that Matt keeps on airing this sh!t in public and is turning into a bulb! Not in my opinion. Cortese is a public figure and shouldn't be immune from a few barbs, not least when they come with pretty good reason. Matt can say what he likes, when he likes on this matter as far as I'm concerned. It's up to Cortese what he decides to do about it. If he decides to say nothing you lot can all toss yourselves off about how fantastic and dignified he is in his silence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Yet another one that seems to hate Le Tiss. Clearly not a Saints fan. Ah the witch hunt starts against the Cortese Cultists (Blessed Be His Name). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Not in my opinion. Cortese is a public figure and shouldn't be immune from a few barbs, not least when they come with pretty good reason. Matt can say what he likes, when he likes on this matter as far as I'm concerned. It's up to Cortese what he decides to do about it. If he decides to say nothing you lot can all toss yourselves off about how fantastic and dignified he is in his silence. Of course a public figure shouldnt be immune to a few barbs even if they are incredibly childish. But why should these bitter barb throwers expect special treatment ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Add to this, some don't understand the importance of Cortese to this Club. He is the only link for us to the family and its money. If he was for any reason to sling his hook, what good is having the best manager, without having the money to have the best players... Obvious answer is, without money, you're not going to have the best facilities, expansion, plans for Europe, nothing. Heck you might even end up with some chances trying to leech of us. We've been around a long time and in that time no billionaire came in for us, thankfully Cortese got involved and hooked us up. So without him and the honeypot, the tv money will only do for us what clubs like wigan and Norwich have limited aspirations for! 'Who cares about Cortese'? Naive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Add to this, some don't understand the importance of Cortese to this Club. He is the only link for us to the family and its money. If he was for any reason to sling his hook, what good is having the best manager, without having the money to have the best players... Obvious answer is, without money, you're not going to have the best facilities, expansion, plans for Europe, nothing. Heck you might even end up with some chances trying to leech of us. We've been around a long time and in that time no billionaire came in for us, thankfully Cortese got involved and hooked us up. So without him and the honeypot, the tv money will only do for us what clubs like wigan and Norwich have limited aspirations for! 'Who cares about Cortese'? Naive... Or the Leibherrs could easily replace the Cheif Exec and nothing would change. It's their investment, their money. No one wants Cortese to go because he's doing a good job but that doesn't mean we have to agree with everything he does through some pathetic mis-guided fear that he's going to run off crying and take the Leibherr's money with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Add to this, some don't understand the importance of Cortese to this Club. He is the only link for us to the family and its money. If he was for any reason to sling his hook, what good is having the best manager, without having the money to have the best players... Obvious answer is, without money, you're not going to have the best facilities, expansion, plans for Europe, nothing. Heck you might even end up with some chances trying to leech of us. We've been around a long time and in that time no billionaire came in for us, thankfully Cortese got involved and hooked us up. So without him and the honeypot, the tv money will only do for us what clubs like wigan and Norwich have limited aspirations for! 'Who cares about Cortese'? Naive... Bang on. Markus was only aware of us due to Cortese. I understand that League Tiss may be sticking up for his friends for whatever reason but to engage in a childish Twitter campaign to gathere sympathy.... it should be beneath the great man to conduct himself in such a way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Or the Leibherrs could easily replace the Cheif Exec and nothing would change. It's their investment, their money. No one wants Cortese to go because he's doing a good job but that doesn't mean we have to agree with everything he does through some pathetic mis-guided fear that he's going to run off crying and take the Leibherr's money with him. The liebherrs only want in because of Cortese, he's running a lot of business for them. Without him, it's fair to assume, no Liebherr money. Secondly if there is any 'pathetic running off crying happening' its not Cortese thats doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Bang on. Markus was only aware of us due to Cortese. I understand that League Tiss may be sticking up for his friends for whatever reason but to engage in a childish Twitter campaign to gathere sympathy.... it should be beneath the great man to conduct himself in such a way. I agree with your comment but MLT's going a bit beyond "sticking up for hies friends", though: "Matt Le Tissier @mattletiss7 @stateofplaylee no team interference? Ask the club who bought guly?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Bang on. Markus was only aware of us due to Cortese. I understand that League Tiss may be sticking up for his friends for whatever reason but to engage in a childish Twitter campaign to gathere sympathy.... it should be beneath the great man to conduct himself in such a way. Unfortunately so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 I agree with your comment but MLT's going a bit beyond "sticking up for hies friends", though: "Matt Le Tissier @mattletiss7 @stateofplaylee no team interference? Ask the club who bought guly?" True or not true, Matt is deliberately trying to rock the boat here. So so disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 CB FRy, so NC is just the CEO and we shouldn'y give a shiedt?... well that was not the attitude when Lowe was just exec chair? is it that the difference is that things off the pitch are pretty good so we dont need to give a shiedt about the chairman? Whatever the real issue between Cortese and Matt, the fact reamins only one of them is constantly airing it in public - and whilst he does that he is being a pratt... Unfortunately like most footballers he is is obviously either a bit dim or ill advised, if he wants any chance of sorting that out, the first thing is to keep is trap shut in the media... no one likes that opinion because its Matt and what he gave us, but if you and the rest say that no one is above criticism (as is mentione dwhenever someone defends NC) then that applies to Matt as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 The liebherrs only want in because of Cortese, he's running a lot of business for them. Without him, it's fair to assume, no Liebherr money. You don't know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Love MLT for what he did in his playing days but this twitter stuff has to stop, its beyond boring now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 You don't know that. I think he does. It only takes a little bit of reading to see that NC heads up the Mali Group of businesses and that NC, as he admitted himself and also ML said the same, he introduced the idea to Markus. Markus wouldn't have known where to start if it wasn't for him. So we do know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 I think he does. It only takes a little bit of reading to see that NC heads up the Mali Group of businesses and that NC, as he admitted himself and also ML said the same, he introduced the idea to Markus. Markus wouldn't have known where to start if it wasn't for him. So we do know that. You have no idea what the Leibherrs plans for SFC are. No idea at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 You have no idea what the Leibherrs plans for SFC are. No idea at all. Read what he said again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 You have no idea what the Leibherrs plans for SFC are. No idea at all. No, I don't. But that wasn't the statement you responded with ''You don't know that' to. And i've only just caught up with the latest ''development's.. Christ on a bike, MLT you are starting to look like an idiot here. A petty, bitter, idiot with an agenda. Along with the rest of the ''old guys'' guys gang, in Benali, Lawrie etc. I'm all for respecting what they did for us, they are legends and always will be. But why is he acting like this? He's trying to rock the boat, for reasons that are beyond me. That's the last thing we need this year. He should just STFU. Simple as that. If he wants to air his views, then officially contact the club. Putting out in the open isn't going to help anyone. So he's just made the entire thing worse, and is possibly proving NC right in some ways. Cue me being called a member of the ''CoC'' or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 You have no idea what the Leibherrs plans for SFC are. No idea at all. What we do know is that with NC here we do have their backing and we so have a highly successful outfit... There we do know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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