revolution saint Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 I guess the question is, is it right to give your ST to someone else when you can't go (or accept one). Everything else is irrelevant bull****. Forget NC and forget MLT, is it right? If you can honestly say you've done neither then good for you - you get an honest say in the debate. If not, well you know where that argument takes you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 And I would counter: Neither is Matthew Le tissier He is an incredible, wonderful part of the clubs fabric and history. He gave us such phenominal memories but it existed before and now continues to exist after his active contribution. Neither men are Southampton Football Club, Cortese in his own words alongside the Leibherr family are simply 'custodians,' Le Tissier was a player. WE THE FANS are Southampton football club. Being split by their fued when they have both done such good for the club is insane. No one is saying MLT is the club. Not me. Not anyone. But plenty on here respond to any criticism of NC as "an attack on the club" or "destablising the club" or other such overreaction. Nicola Cortese is not the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 No one is saying MLT is the club. Not me. Not anyone. But plenty on here respond to any criticism of NC as "an attack on the club" or "destablising the club" or other such overreaction. Nicola Cortese is not the club. There is a lot of sensitivity over this though, people losing perspective. Both men have done so much for us, albeit in very different ways and from highly differing perspectives.... To be taking sides in an argument is just daft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
channonball Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Cortese would not exist if it were not for Matt? Discuss... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Cortese would not exist if it were not for Matt? Discuss... You mean Matt is Cortese's father ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Cortese would not exist if it were not for Matt? Discuss... Cortese wouldn't be here if it weren't for Lowe. Discuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Lowe would not have been here if it wasn`t for Askham...Discuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Cortese would not exist if it were not for Matt? Discuss... Cortese wouldn't be here if it weren't for Lowe. Discuss These two above are interesting discussion points and can be debated. This one isn't. Nice try though..... Lowe would not have been here if it wasn`t for Askham...Discuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 These two above are interesting discussion points and can be debated. This one isn't. Nice try though..... Are you the debate monitor;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Are you the debate monitor;) And this thread is full of mass debaters............... I'll get me coat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Are you the debate monitor;) Jus'doing ma job, sir. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 So what is this deep dark secret about Cortese? Can someone tell me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 So what is this deep dark secret about Cortese? Can someone tell me? Dunno, you tell us.....you're ITK aren't you!? : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Guan is Cortese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 No one is saying MLT is the club. Not me. Not anyone. But plenty on here respond to any criticism of NC as "an attack on the club" or "destablising the club" or other such overreaction. Nicola Cortese is not the club. Do they? Must be missing these posts. I think you must imagine such posts in your dreams about MLT. Most sane people accept that not everything Cortese does is perfect, but overall he has really done more good than bad, and is directly responsible for us being bought by a seriously financially backer which has resulted not just in stability but a return to the top level and with serious financial clout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 (edited) There is a lot of sensitivity over this though, people losing perspective. Both men have done so much for us, albeit in very different ways and from highly differing perspectives.... To be taking sides in an argument is just daft. I think the reason for this is the simple fact that only one of them is in a position to influence how the club progresses or develops NOW, even if it were NC and the Liebherrs selling up etc. Matty was so influential in the past as a player, but even if welcomed with open arms he is no longer in a position to effect how we grow and develop as a club, nor did he have any impact on how we HAVE progressed since NC and ML arrived. Its not that NC's contribution or Matty's should be compared (which is impossible anyway gven they play/played completely different roles), but simply that one is here now. - Its not case that he should not be criticised for mistakes or issues that impact on fans - everything and everyone should be open to criticism, but two things spring to mind: 1) The majority of the criticism of NC is over the petty stuff and how it impacts on fans - and whilst this is obviously important to some fans, in the grand scheme of things - its pretty irrelevent as things have progressed nicely on the pitch - I guess If you reversed it and say we had a the ulimate fan friendly chairma, but were still in L1, can you imagine how fecked off we would be with NC 2) Fans still have those memories of the shiedt pretty much in their minds and the progress made since Markus and NC has been pretty amazing - yes it was funded but we have seen many examples where money does ont always deliver - so maybe some of us are simply just happy with that and feel, parking charges, ticket taxes and the like dont really matter right now? rather those and the idiosyncracies of NC with teh success and drive and ambition, than teh fan friendly but ultimately doomed manaagement we had after Lowe left.... Edited 6 September, 2012 by Frank's cousin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Guan is Cortese. Dunno, you tell us.....you're ITK aren't you!? : ) Ha ha, seriously, I have some good sources. But I've never heard to many bad things about the man in question, I know those who had prevously cushy numbers (Mcmenemy and son with their highly payed ambassadorial/dodgy transfer roles with redknapp, respectively) who were then were told "everyone buys a ticket" had a bit of a meltdown, but not too many. I'm just wondering why these awful truths about Cortese have yet to come out? It would be like the Cold war era Soviets having proof that the moon landing was faked, but only hinting at on message boards, and inventing nicknames like 'capitalist cultist' and Lyndon BJ!!!111 Seriously, if this stuff is bad, I'll support you. I just want to know what it is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Something happened with Le Tiss regarding the supposed pinnacle takeover, and then something with Benali's house. Not sure of any details though, sure people could fill you in on this forum with 'what they've heard'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Ha ha, seriously, I have some good sources. But I've never heard to many bad things about the man in question, I know those who had prevously cushy numbers (Mcmenemy and son with their highly payed ambassadorial/dodgy transfer roles with redknapp, respectively) who were then were told "everyone buys a ticket" had a bit of a meltdown, but not too many. I'm just wondering why these awful truths about Cortese have yet to come out? It would be like the Cold war era Soviets having proof that the moon landing was faked, but only hinting at on message boards, and inventing nicknames like 'capitalist cultist' and Lyndon BJ!!!111 Seriously, if this stuff is bad, I'll support you. I just want to know what it is! I know nothing of what went on or what was going on behind the scenes but if you were an outsider looking in, this would be a reasonable pointer as to where certain agendas arise from...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Ha ha, seriously, I have some good sources. But I've never heard to many bad things about the man in question, I know those who had prevously cushy numbers (Mcmenemy and son with their highly payed ambassadorial/dodgy transfer roles with redknapp, respectively) who were then were told "everyone buys a ticket" had a bit of a meltdown, but not too many. I'm just wondering why these awful truths about Cortese have yet to come out? It would be like the Cold war era Soviets having proof that the moon landing was faked, but only hinting at on message boards, and inventing nicknames like 'capitalist cultist' and Lyndon BJ!!!111 Seriously, if this stuff is bad, I'll support you. I just want to know what it is! McMenemy was on a fortune for his ambassadorial role and another one was Mike Osman who also allgedley earned "rather a lot of money" for his rib-tickling half-time stints.The one time I was grateful for our schitt public address system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 McMenemy was on a fortune for his ambassadorial role and another one was Mike Osman who also allgedley earned "rather a lot of money" for his rib-tickling half-time stints.The one time I was grateful for our schitt public address system. How much was Lawrie on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 McMenemy was on a fortune for his ambassadorial role and another one was Mike Osman who also allgedley earned "rather a lot of money" for his rib-tickling half-time stints.The one time I was grateful for our schitt public address system. I don't see why that is an issue. If the previous Chief Exec thought they were worth it you can't really blame people for doing a job and earning money. Maybe if the club had some decent ambassadors now you wouldn't see shed loads of empty corporate seats for the biggest game of the season. My company had a box and corporate seats last time we were in the Prem, Man U tickets were like gold dust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 I don't see why that is an issue. If the previous Chief Exec thought they were worth it you can't really blame people for doing a job and earning money. Maybe if the club had some decent ambassadors now you wouldn't shed loads of empty corporate seats for the biggest game of the season. Also, anyone who ever went in to the Ambassador's Suite would be able to testify as to what a difference having such a high profile host such as Lawrie makes. Which is why the price was well above and beyond the standard price for corporate entertaining. And it was usually full to bursting. Perhaps Manji can tell us from his inside knowledge how much Lawrie actually earned, and we can deem whether he was worth the money or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Maybe Le Tiss could be the new ambassador? Bury the hatchet and make a bit of cash for all concerned.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Maybe Le Tiss could be the new ambassador? Bury the hatchet and make a bit of cash for all concerned.... MLT is a bit of a stretch, but it really isn't a stupid concept that you'd use a former player or manager to heighten the experience of a corporate day. Anyone who has done it before will probably tell you that its a good but overpriced day. So in the current economic climate you have to work a bit harder and make it all the more appealing. Very simple things like having a host like Lawrie, and a table of ex-Saints (some of whom would give a short Q&A in return for their free lunch), make it seem you're actually getting something a bit special for the extra payment, instead of paying through the nose and getting a relatively bland day out. Our current regime doesn't seem to see it that way and particular parts of our history are airbrushed out, so it's not going to happen anytime soon. But having a few hundred empty corporate seats even for the Man United game is a very sad indictment of the current level of takeup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 6 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 6 September, 2012 I understand LM was on £250k during the " Saints Go Wilde" era. Any idea where I can find a pic of those Go Wilde t-shirts? crrriiiiinge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 I understand LM was on £250k during the " Saints Go Wilde" era. Any idea where I can find a pic of those Go Wilde t-shirts? crrriiiiinge I dont actually think it was that much. I heard more like 75K for the 15 or so appearances + other bits and pieces so a pretty standard rate for thsoe things - I dont think is about them losing the role of the money etc Think its simply down to bruised egos - The NC/ML new broom NEEDED to clean up the club - start agisn fresh and all that and you cant do that if there are folk there that are intrinsically linked with teh old regime - its sad/unfortuante or whatever but ultimately Matty and Lawrie were victims of being so closely involved with the previous - noses put out of joint, a bit of media moaning about it - the media moaning being like a red flag to a bull to the Swiss and we have the storm in a tea cup. Dont think Benali 'suggesting' Cortese left his house is a mess that needed 'industrial cleaning' (insinuating they were 'dirty') on soccar am would have helped either - since then it has to be said its brought up by the Matty and his sky cronies, no one else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 There wasn't really a need for a "new broom" though. There was a way to keep complete control yet still retain the advantages of having the old guard onside with you. Lawrie had been ousted from the club long before the Liebherr revolution, Rupert Lowe saw to that straight after the Sheffield United staying up game. So he wasn't part of the previous at all. MLT is a different story, and neither side filled themselves with glory in the aftermath of the takeover, if we're honest. Things have simply progressed on from there. Its such a needless childish spat (from both sides) that its almost embarrassing to point out how pathetic it all is, and how it only harms both parties, there are no benefits to it at all (except for Cortese to feel he has the power and for MLT to provide his retorts via the media). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 From what remember LM was on circa £75k. Not bad for doing virtually feck all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Which one of them would win in a proper scrap? I reckon Tiss has a haymaker of a right hand, although he'd be slow and cumbersome on his feet. Cortese, for my money, would be quicker, lighter and may have a decent jab to wear Le God down. I'd expect Cortese to have the odd dirty trick up his sleeve too (kick to the shins, jab in the eye, that sort of thing), but with Tiss expert penalty taking pedigree, i reckon he'd boot NC square in the bollo's to win the fight. Tiss all the way. Let's get ready to rumble.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 I understand LM was on £250k during the " Saints Go Wilde" era. Any idea where I can find a pic of those Go Wilde t-shirts? crrriiiiinge I had heard that figure to. Though to fair to the fella he has lowered his profile after some criticism of some of his comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 I guess the question is, is it right to give your ST to someone else when you can't go (or accept one). Everything else is irrelevant bull****. Forget NC and forget MLT, is it right? If you can honestly say you've done neither then good for you - you get an honest say in the debate. If not, well you know where that argument takes you. Well, whats wrong with that? Why is it better to have an empty seat if you happen to have a season ticket but can't attend a particular match, the seats already been paid for hasn't it? I cannot see the logic of this argument, unless the ticket was handed to someone who was banned from matches for some reason. None of my tightarsed so-called mates have ever offered me theirs, but I know people who have shared the cost of an ST between them and go to whichever games they are each able to make. There would be no point in me buying one as weekends are invariably my busiest time, but I did discuss the idea with my brother in law earlier this year of sharing an ST, I cant see what your problem with that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Well, whats wrong with that? Why is it better to have an empty seat if you happen to have a season ticket but can't attend a particular match, the seats already been paid for hasn't it? I cannot see the logic of this argument, unless the ticket was handed to someone who was banned from matches for some reason. None of my tightarsed so-called mates have ever offered me theirs, but I know people who have shared the cost of an ST between them and go to whichever games they are each able to make. There would be no point in me buying one as weekends are invariably my busiest time, but I did discuss the idea with my brother in law earlier this year of sharing an ST, I cant see what your problem with that is. So you haven't considered the possibility of giving it to someone who actually supoprts the opposition or something. This is the reason tickets are non-transferrable. Of course in an ideal world it would be nice to be able to give tickets to anyone with no fear of recrimination. Have you tried transferring a ticket for a concert purchased from TicketMaster recently? This is not something that is peculiar to Saints or even football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyboy Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 He has started again FFs both of you man up Matt Le Tissier@mattletiss7 Saints foundation were there too at millbrook but had been warned to stay away from me #couldyougetanypettiernicola #youcantcontroleveryone Expand Reply Retweet Favorite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 He has started again FFs both of you man up Matt Le Tissier@mattletiss7 Saints foundation were there too at millbrook but had been warned to stay away from me #couldyougetanypettiernicola #youcantcontroleveryone Expand Reply Retweet Favorite He's coming across as a bitter c*nt now. He should put his toys back in his pram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 He has started again FFs both of you man up Matt Le Tissier@mattletiss7 Saints foundation were there too at millbrook but had been warned to stay away from me #couldyougetanypettiernicola #youcantcontroleveryone Expand Reply Retweet Favorite Enough Matt STFU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 He's coming across as a bitter c*nt now. He should put his toys back in his pram. Please tell me you're joking? Le Tiss obviously cares massively about the club still and you can tell how gutted he is to be ostracised by the club, can anyone blame him for feeling p****d off? A lot of Saints fans didn't deserve a player of his class at our club, calling him a 'c**t' is disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Is he not starting to sound a bit of a loony ? He will be seen out soon wearing a tinfoil hat so Cortese cant read his brain waves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Matt Le Tissier @mattletiss7 Id be more than happy to sit in open forum and discuss everything. Over to you @officialsaints Matt Le Tissier @mattletiss7 Ok im a reasonable man, pro cortese people convince me why he is so great? #openminded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Ok Matty is starting to look a little unprofessional and silly now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 This all makes me very sad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 (edited) Ok Matty is starting to look a little unprofessional and silly now. Just a bit. I havnt got twitter so heres my answers Matt. Pros: 1.Convinced Leibherr to invest in the club 2.Chose NA as manager. 3.Enabled us to return to Premier League ahead of schedule 4.Has a massive network of financial and football connections in Europe. 5.Helped us build one of the best training facilities in the country. 6.Has promised to invest in further rebuilding of the stadium. 7.Helped start the Saints Foundation. 8.Backed NA by making us the 5th highest spending club in the Premier. 9.Corteses superb handling of the Puncheon issue. 10.Im sure there are loads more but that will do for now. Cons(although they are pros in my eyes) 1.Does not tolerate inefficient staff. 2.Dislikes freeloaders living off past reputations. 3.Doesnt trust/like The Daily Echo. 4.Made cheats pay for the car park 5.Banned N.Illingsworth from having a season ticket. Edited 7 September, 2012 by manji Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Just a bit. I havnt got twitter so heres my answers Matt. Pros: 1.Convinced Leibherr to invest in the club 2.Chose NA as manager. 3.Enabled us to return to Premier League ahead of schedule 4.Has a massive network of financial and football connections in Europe. 5.Helped us build one of the best training facilities in the country. 6.Has promised to invest in further rebuilding of the stadium. 7.Helped start the Saints Foundation. 8.Backed NA by making us the 5th highest spending club in the Premier. 8.Im sure there are loads more but that will do for now. Cons(although they are pros in my eyes) 1.Does not tolerate inefficient staff. 2.Dislikes freeloaders living off past reputations. 3.Doesnt trust/like The Daily Echo. 4.Made cheats pay for the car park 5.Banned N.Illingsworth from having a season ticket. How Cortese handled the Puncheon matter shows, Cortese is not so prideful to cut off his nose to spite his face. Matty is coming off very poorly here and to be honest, Cortese got us a billionaire while Matty was trying to stall him with a backer of his own, only it was some chancer living in a semi in Barnet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Ok Matty is starting to look a little unprofessional and silly now. Unfortunately I don't even agree with what MLT has written, it really is open to question whether a "reasonable man" would really write something that even suggests there are "pro Cortese people". This is not a playground Matt, there are not 2 gangs of people. There are people who are adult and who dislike this petty behaviour and there are immature children who treat this like a game and want to get one over on the other person. Matt is one of the latter and needs to grow up. Putting stuff like this on Twitter just continues to make him look like a very silly childish prat. Cortese may be a little of the same, but at least he has the dignity not to use silly so-called social media aka children's toys to have a go. Do the decent thing Matt, contact Cortese, meet with him in private, sort out your differences, show some good grace and then STFU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleonothing Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Just wish they would all sit down and talk it out. I know that sounds very liberal democratish but MLT tweeting will just make it worse. (and I'm not paving the blame at anyone's door) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyboy Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Matt Le Tissier@mattletiss7 If genuine saints fans knew what he'd done to lawrie mac fran benali and others who dont wish to be named your opinion may differ somewhat Expand Reply Retweet Favorite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Matt Le Tissier@mattletiss7 If genuine saints fans knew what he'd done to lawrie mac fran benali and others who dont wish to be named your opinion may differ somewhat Expand Reply Retweet Favorite Yep, but until he tells us we still won't. He really shouldn't be playing this out in public, he's going to get himself sued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Unfortunately I don't even agree with what MLT has written, it really is open to question whether a "reasonable man" would really write something that even suggests there are "pro Cortese people". This is not a playground Matt, there are not 2 gangs of people. There are people who are adult and who dislike this petty behaviour and there are immature children who treat this like a game and want to get one over on the other person. Matt is one of the latter and needs to grow up. Putting stuff like this on Twitter just continues to make him look like a very silly childish prat. Cortese may be a little of the same, but at least he has the dignity not to use silly so-called social media aka children's toys to have a go. Do the decent thing Matt, contact Cortese, meet with him in private, sort out your differences, show some good grace and then STFU. One thing is clear, Matt's footballing talent obviously outweighs his other everyday 'talents' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Please tell me you're joking? Le Tiss obviously cares massively about the club still and you can tell how gutted he is to be ostracised by the club, can anyone blame him for feeling p****d off? A lot of Saints fans didn't deserve a player of his class at our club, calling him a 'c**t' is disgusting. I agree to an extent but does that make matty the innocent party? I doubt we will ever know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Matt Le Tissier@mattletiss7 If genuine saints fans knew what he'd done to lawrie mac fran benali and others who dont wish to be named your opinion may differ somewhat Expand Reply Retweet Favorite Then bloody tell us!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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