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[ALWAYS_SFC]

 

 

 

TDD is a complete nob

 

 

There said it

 

Just a little correction

[VectisSaint]

I think you're a bit paranoid. I was in the pub for the game and it cut out the pundits but I've seen and heard plenty of other coverage about our performance and manager. And nothing, at all, on BBC TV and Radio and on Talksport or in any papers I've seen about whatever you are on about.

 

The perception is entirely yours I think. The rest of the non Cortese worshipping world goes on undisrupted.

You seem a bit obsessed with this idea that there is a Cortese cult or people worhsip him in some way. You are clearly a fantasist if you think like that, and far from accusing others of being nutjobs, you shouldperhaps look in the mirror and see for yourself what a nutjob looks like. No-one worhsips people like Cortese, no-one over the age of 10 worships MLT either. Now jump back on the mantelpiece like a good litle CB Fry.

[Wes Tender]

LOL, yep because any other CEO with the Liebherrs backing would have us still fumbling around in Div1 . LOL

Get over yourself. Cortese is an embarrassment to SFC

 

Wot? No avator of you p*ssing on the new shirt because it is not the usual stripes? I'm disappointed.

 

But I'm not disappointed that you are true to form, posting the same old drivel. You somehow fail to understand that without Cortese, Markus Liebherr wouldn't have invested in us. And no doubt you would have been very happy that we would instead have been owned by some cheapskate charlatans like those who have almost driven the skates out of existence.

[PhilippineSaint]

Gentlemen it is still only football

 

 

Make of that what you will

[ALWAYS_SFC]

LOL, yep because any other CEO with the Liebherrs backing would have us still fumbling around in Div1 . LOL

Get over yourself. Cortese is an embarrassment to SFC

 

Wot? No avator of you p*ssing on the new shirt because it is not the usual stripes? I'm disappointed.

 

But I'm not disappointed that you are true to form, posting the same old drivel. You somehow fail to understand that without Cortese, Markus Liebherr wouldn't have invested in us. And no doubt you would have been very happy that we would instead have been owned by some cheapskate charlatans like those who have almost driven the skates out of existence.

 

Blimey!! who is this Docker p guy,he really is bitter towards NC...

What is his problem?

[Raging Bull]

Blimey!! who is this Docker p guy,he really is bitter towards NC...

What is his problem?

 

He came in and turned the telly tubbies over once when he was watching it, never forgiven him!

[Wes Tender]

It is worth remembering NC had never run a marketing department, a commercial department, or employed anyone before coming to us. He was a banker with experience in running a desk.

 

And therefore, by the superb logic of your massive intellect, the Prime Minister should be somebody who has experience of running a country? Or that it would be preferable to have somebody running the club who has no experience of finance?

 

The essence of a good chief executive is that they appoint other people with experience of marketing, commercial activities, scouting for players, etc. Kindly point me in the direction of any football clubs in the top flight, or indeed anywhere else in English football where the chief executive had a background in marketing.

[CB Fry]

You seem a bit obsessed with this idea that there is a Cortese cult or people worhsip him in some way. You are clearly a fantasist if you think like that, and far from accusing others of being nutjobs, you shouldperhaps look in the mirror and see for yourself what a nutjob looks like. No-one worhsips people like Cortese, no-one over the age of 10 worships MLT either. Now jump back on the mantelpiece like a good litle CB Fry.

 

 

 

You seem overly paranoid about "negative exposure".

 

People take the mick out of a CEO of a football business? So what, who cares?

 

Well it seems that some people do care, like you. Others talk about this "disrupting" the club. Does it? Does it eff.

 

People who think others ripping into a football CEO as disrupting the club are far too dazzled by said CEO that the pi sstaking feels damaging. It isn't.

 

He's not the messiah and people taking the pi ss is not damaging.

 

 

 

Thanks for the mantlepiece reference, like it.

[notnowcato]

Blimey!! who is this Docker p guy,he really is bitter towards NC...

What is his problem?

Can't answer either of your questions but I do know that he thinks NC is an embarrassment to SFC.

 

That's his opinion.

 

My opinion is that he would be in the minority, by some considerable margin, amongst Saints fans with that thought.

[Dig Dig]

I think you're a bit paranoid. I was in the pub for the game and it cut out the pundits but I've seen and heard plenty of other coverage about our performance and manager. And nothing, at all, on BBC TV and Radio and on Talksport or in any papers I've seen about whatever you are on about.

 

The perception is entirely yours I think. The rest of the non Cortese worshipping world goes on undisrupted.

 

I'm not being paranoid and I agree with you that what we are talking about here isn't exactly going to bring the club to it's knees. I'm just talking specifically about how our clubs perception at Sky and in particular that specific show has changed. MLT's role there has contributed towards negative coverage of the club over the last 2 years and I don't think anyone can dispute that.

 

The main difference of opinion as far as I can see is that some will think that NC shouldn't have done X Y and Z, whilst others think that MLT shouldn't use his position at Sky to peddle a personal issue he has with NC.

 

Nothing to do with being paranoid or blindly loving NC, just a viewpoint on the situation.

[Wes Tender]

MLT worth a thousand Nicola Corteses.

 

You're entitled to your opinion, as ludicrous as it is.

 

So would you rather that MLT ran the club? I'm confused, as further down you state that Cortese is doing a good job and is taking the club forward apart from some mistakes.

 

But then MLT could equally be accused of making some mistakes too, the betting scandal, the tie up with Pinnacle, etc.

 

But the difference is that MLT is no longer a footballer, which is what most lauded him for and had fond memories of, for what he did for us a few years ago. But several on here are now finding that although their memories of MLT the player are sacrosanct, MLT the post-football pundit is losing some of his gloss. It is a real shame.

 

The two of them need their heads banging together.

[manji]

U are a complete idiot. Ur not even a saints fan. I don't think u supported club til Lowe came in.

I will not enter into a debate with someone thats uses textspeak.

[Minty]

The contributions that both have made to this club are quite different. I still don't get why some feel the need to match them up against each other to decide who is 'more important' or not. This should not be a competition, and if both truly have the best intentions for our club then they should, IMO, recognise the potential bad press these kind of things bring to the club and sort it out. Or drop it.

 

It's not exactly the biggest deal in the world so I'm not sure it's worth the strength of feeling some seem to have, but I guess we have to have something to go on about in the International break!

[Wes Tender]

The contributions that both have made to this club are quite different. I still don't get why some feel the need to match them up against each other to decide who is 'more important' or not. This should not be a competition, and if both truly have the best intentions for our club then they should, IMO, recognise the potential bad press these kind of things bring to the club and sort it out. Or drop it.

 

It's not exactly the biggest deal in the world so I'm not sure it's worth the strength of feeling some seem to have, but I guess we have to have something to go on about in the International break!

 

Would you describe the potential bad press as being disruptive, Minty? Apparently, if it doesn't affect the way we play, it can't be described as disruptive. And MLT is worth 1000 Corteses, so it is already established who is more important to the club.

[Minty]

Would you describe the potential bad press as being disruptive, Minty? Apparently, if it doesn't affect the way we play, it can't be described as disruptive. And MLT is worth 1000 Corteses, so it is already established who is more important to the club.

Not directly disruptive no. I think this is being overplayed a bit and I'm probably contributing to that myself. And let's be honest, beyond this thread, it probably doesn't warrant a mention from many other fans just now. But sometimes it's the cumulative effect of little things like this that build up in peoples minds, in the media and other places, and doubts creep in.

 

I'm not going to bait those with strong views either way any further... I agree with you, but clearly those with polar views are not willing to change them, and MLT/NC is entirely in the wrong no matter what we say, so probably best left alone now I feel.

[CB Fry]

You're entitled to your opinion, as ludicrous as it is.

 

So would you rather that MLT ran the club? I'm confused, as further down you state that Cortese is doing a good job and is taking the club forward apart from some mistakes.

 

But then MLT could equally be accused of making some mistakes too, the betting scandal, the tie up with Pinnacle, etc.

 

But the difference is that MLT is no longer a footballer, which is what most lauded him for and had fond memories of, for what he did for us a few years ago. But several on here are now finding that although their memories of MLT the player are sacrosanct, MLT the post-football pundit is losing some of his gloss. It is a real shame.

 

The two of them need their heads banging together.

 

No I don't want MLT running the club and during the time Pinnacle was happening I talked on here a lot on why I didn't want MLT amywhere near running the club beyond a figurehead do-nothing Hon. President type. He couldn't run a nightclub.

 

MLT is a good pundit too, though, and great to have him on the nation's biggest football broadcaster.

 

Cortese is a businessman running the club. He's doing a good job in the main. But he has deminstrated contrary petty behaviour (none of which has contributed to our success on-pitch - banning the Echo does not help us get promoted). One day that behaviour may harm us.

 

MLT however is a Saints legend and nothing this Swiss bloke can do will stop that. He might try and push the Echo away but he cannot extinguish a true legend. Let's see how many "Cortese-Unbelievable" DVDs the club shop can sell.

 

Unfortunately from the loons on here, quite a few.

[Smirking_Saint]

Really whats the point of posters that come in, post stuff like 'if you only knew' 'from what I hear etc etc'

 

And then saying nothing, if you have something to say get it out there, or if your worried about releasing the info why say anything at all ? Unless of course you dont actually know any new info and are just attempting to stir the pot towards your own agenda.

 

Is Cortese perfect ? No

 

Is MLT perfect ? No

 

One gave me so much pleasure in my past and the other could potentially deliver something I could never have imagined 7 years ago.

 

All in all they are as bad as each other, but the difference is Matt prefers to try to undermine the foundations of a club he supposedly loves, now Matt 'could' be the better party in all this, but I can only see one side sniping ATM

[Minty]

Cortese is a businessman running the club. He's doing a good job in the main. But he has deminstrated contrary petty behaviour (none of which has contributed to our success on-pitch - banning the Echo does not help us get promoted). One day that behaviour may harm us.

I have been a critic of some of Cortese's decisions in the past, but I don't think any were necessarily 'petty'... I am quite sure there were business cases behind most if not all his operational decisions. This issue would appear to be different and would appear to be more down to personalities, in which case I would agree it seems petty, if that is indeed the basis for it.

 

But as Smirking says, without people actually sharing information that they have, all we have to go on is what the individuals themselves say, and that's not a lot.

 

MLT however is a Saints legend and nothing this Swiss bloke can do will stop that. He might try and push the Echo away but he cannot extinguish a true legend. Let's see how many "Cortese-Unbelievable" DVDs the club shop can sell.

 

Unfortunately from the loons on here, quite a few.

Let's not be silly about it, no one is expecting any DVD from him, and I doubt he's trying to 'extinguish' Matt or anyone else, rather he just wants to concentrate on the future. I happen to agree that our past is an important part of who we are and our journey so I think the contributions of past players and staff should be recognised and respected, while NC perhaps disagrees with this, but there's a difference between not recognising them, and trying to extinguish them.

 

Anyway, as I said before, just by continuing this discussion it validates it so I'm going to leave it there I think.

[Tom & Gerry]

I blame those 50 greatest of all time tv programmes that always put that tedious Queen record at number 1. Who is the greatest legend at Southampton football club should be a lighthearted bar room discussion not a matter for bitter recrimination. There is no way of measuring it. I'm just grateful for the contribution of all of them Matt/ Nicola/Marcus/Lawrie/ Ted/ Paine/ Channon/Davies et all

[Thedelldays]

you don't want to go on the uglies.....a few are after NC blood on their..they want him gone

[Dig Dig]

you don't want to go on the uglies.....a few are after NC blood on their..they want him gone

 

 

Why do they want him gone?

[Thedelldays]

Why do they want him gone?

because they hate him (some do) he is nothing but an employee and the "family" should look to replace him etc

[Dig Dig]

because they hate him (some do) he is nothing but an employee and the "family" should look to replace him etc

 

Lol, I can see why, he's done such an appaling job over the last 3 years

[Thedelldays]

Lol, I can see why, he's done such an appaling job over the last 3 years

his failings will be shown up for all to see soon apparently

[Dig Dig]

his failings will be shown up for all to see soon apparently

 

I'll look forward to that day then. Getting the old doc martins out now ready to stick it in.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

I would love to hear about his failings..truthfully

 

Not by people with an agenda or an unclarified dislike of him but real justified reasons..

 

And then would like to know who should replace him

[CanadaSaint]

his failings will be shown up for all to see soon apparently

 

Perhaps so, whatever they are, although I very much doubt it.

 

One thing I don't doubt, though, is that it won't be the intellectually- and socially-challenged "Boris" (aka SRS, I believe) who does it. He's inventing a whole new definition of "obsessed."

[manji]

I would love to hear about his failings..truthfully

 

Not by people with an agenda or an unclarified dislike of him but real justified reasons..

 

And then would like to know who should replace him

The trouble is they all have agendas. They dont like NC because while he is here they have no chance of their fantasy of a MLT/McMoneybags led parochial club with a fanontheboard , club historian and Mike Osman back as half-time "entertainment".

[Smirking_Saint]

Until I hear some real evidence Im not going to listen to some just because they say 'youll find out soon' itll all come crashing down soon etc etc ad infinitum as that sort of agenda filled garbage has been doing the rounds since day 1 now and all I have seen in 2 promotions and a trophy

[Colinjb]

When the Cortese/Le Tissier dispute first came to light a while ago I decided to have a word with a few mates back home about it. Season ticket holders and fans but not users of sites like this and with other things to worry about on Saturday afternoon then watch Jeff Stelling when not at the match.

 

They were totally unaware of what had happened and frankly didn't care. The issue is obviously there but is being heightened only in forums such as this and in the more fanatical elements of the fanbase.

 

To 90%+ of Saints fans, this is a non-issue.

 

And from a personal perspective, statements along the lines of Cortese is a 'Devil' need quantifying! Second hand rumour doesn't cut it when judging a situation where both sides are in dispute but on the whole silent regarding the specifics.

[aintforever]

I think Cortese has done a fantastic job, I don't for one minute want him gone and have no agenda (seriously, who does!?).

 

But I think he is being a complete c@ck to Le Tiss and some other club legends. IMO it shows a lack of respect for the club's supporters and history. It seems to me that Cortese is like the kid at school who had no friends and becomes spiteful and bitter to everyone as a defence mechanism. Maybe Jimmy Case should give him a big cuddle and tell him we're all on his side.

[darren]

The impact it has is more about perception than anything else. Saturday was a case in point on Sky Sports. Despite the fact that we had just smashed our record transfer fee on one of Europe's most highly rated younf players, all the Sky Sports panel did was scoff at our transfers and ask if the Echo is still banned. Hardly great exposure for the club and is just one such example.

 

What happened on saturday on sky sports is probably the reason why nc was'nt happy with Matt being at st marys on sunday, rightly so. The more i think about it the more i am begining to not like Matt the Pratt.

[Handyman]

This world is a big place and not all of us will get on.

 

Matt le Tissier is important for our precious previous memories, Nic Cortese is important for our precious future ones.

 

Neither one needs to fall by the way side, both will have our respect for very different reasons.

 

Well said!

[Chez]

but the difference is Matt prefers to try to undermine the foundations of a club he supposedly loves,

Massive over exaggeration IMO.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

The trouble is they all have agendas. They dont like NC because while he is here they have no chance of their fantasy of a MLT/McMoneybags led parochial club with a fanontheboard , club historian and Mike Osman back as half-time "entertainment".

 

Manji would you like to buy my latest book?

[manji]

Manji would you like to buy my latest book?

Only if you throw in a copy of a live Mike Osman DVD.

[Colinjb]

you don't want to go on the uglies.....a few are after NC blood on their..they want him gone

 

Seems very much to be the 'Pompey Online' of Saints message boards! A place the extremists are sent to fester.

[Chorlton]

I thought this place had the extremists and the Ugly had people who didn't take themselves quite as seriously?

 

And as for someone saying how they are beginning to dislike 'Matt the Prat" (jeez), well, words fail me. Can only assume they are under the age of about 20 and didn't see him at his height. Though they should know how he kept the club in the news during the dark days, or know how highly regarded he is amongst fans around the world?

 

Not getting into the Cortese debate as let's face it, NONE of us know, but MLT not being welcome at the club, and indeed many past heroes not being welcome, is a sad state of affairs.

[Wade Garrett]

I loved Matt as a player. But I haven't heard him say 1 complimentary thing about Cortese since he came to the club. Despite our achievements in that time, which he is in some way responsible for.

 

Whingeing on Twitter is pathetic.

[Dellman]

let's face it, our beloved Matt has had his day, it was a wonderful day but it's gone and won't come back. We're in a new era and it promises to be equally wonderful in a different way. MLT needs to accept that, as much as we do.

[darren]

I thought this place had the extremists and the Ugly had people who didn't take themselves quite as seriously?

 

And as for someone saying how they are beginning to dislike 'Matt the Prat" (jeez), well, words fail me. Can only assume they are under the age of about 20 and didn't see him at his height. Though they should know how he kept the club in the news during the dark days, or know how highly regarded he is amongst fans around the world?

 

Not getting into the Cortese debate as let's face it, NONE of us know, but MLT not being welcome at the club, and indeed many past heroes not being welcome, is a sad state of affairs.

 

Sorry but that's how i am begining to feel. The thing that ****s me off the most is the way his mates talk about saints on ssn and that is down to Matt, constantly mocking the club. I care more about the future of this club than the past, i'am not saying nc is a saint in all this becuse he aint.

[Roger]

let's face it, our beloved Matt has had his day, it was a wonderful day but it's gone and won't come back. We're in a new era and it promises to be equally wonderful in a different way. MLT needs to accept that, as much as we do.

 

Jesus you're a nice bloke. Not.

[Roger]

You're entitled to your opinion, as ludicrous as it is.

 

So would you rather that MLT ran the club? I'm confused, as further down you state that Cortese is doing a good job and is taking the club forward apart from some mistakes.

 

But then MLT could equally be accused of making some mistakes too, the betting scandal, the tie up with Pinnacle, etc.

 

But the difference is that MLT is no longer a footballer, which is what most lauded him for and had fond memories of, for what he did for us a few years ago. But several on here are now finding that although their memories of MLT the player are sacrosanct, MLT the post-football pundit is losing some of his gloss. It is a real shame.

 

The two of them need their heads banging together.

 

Fair enough post. I'm

Looking forward to seeing Ramirez. Hopefully all that stuff will sort itself out. No point worrying about it. Peter I think we spent a long time stressing about lowe so at least the owners now have put their own funds into club.

[CB Fry]

Sorry but that's how i am begining to feel. The thing that ****s me off the most is the way his mates talk about saints on ssn and that is down to Matt, constantly mocking the club. I care more about the future of this club than the past, i'am not saying nc is a saint in all this becuse he aint.

 

Is Matt really "constantly mocking the club" on Sky? "Constantly mocking the club?"

 

I would question

 

a) "constantly" - how often has this really happened? I am sure that the team on Soccer Saturday have several other major Premier League matches to preview most weeks and have got better things to do than talk about Saints.

 

and I would question

 

b) mocking "the club".

 

Nicola Cortese is not "the club". He is not Southampton Football Club. He is a Swiss bloke who happens to be the present CEO. And if people want to mock him, mock away. As you say, he's no Saint, and he ripe to be mocked. He needs to be able to take it, that's life in the public eye I'm afraid.

[Colinjb]

Nicola Cortese is not "the club". He is not Southampton Football Club. He is a Swiss bloke who happens to be the present CEO. And if people want to mock him, mock away. As you say, he's no Saint, and he ripe to be mocked. He needs to be able to take it, that's life in the public eye I'm afraid.

 

Playing Devil's advocate. Is Matt le Tissier therefore irreproachable?

[CB Fry]

Playing Devil's advocate. Is Matt le Tissier therefore irreproachable?

 

 

Matt Le Tissier has been mocked, written off, and faced knock backs his entire career. But it won't stop me having a go:

 

He screwed up running a nightclub. Couldn't keep it in his trousers a while back. Blew his chance of true greatness by not moving on to a bigger club. Did a stupid spread betting thing, and even more stupidly put it in his book. His support of the Pinnacle bid was a complete balls up. As a player he eat badly, didn't really look after himself as a player which no doubt robbed him of a few % points of performance. He has a big nose and appalling hair and wore a shi te suit on National TV on Sunday.

 

Let's see how distrupted MLT will be after that from me.....not at all.

 

It's the Cortese-boys obsessed that a few jibes at the CEO is somehow shaking the club to its foundations. Cortese is not the club and Cortese should be able to take a few digs. And the Cult-of-Cortese on here need to be able to take it too and accept that people ripping into the CEO is not some attack on their football club.

 

Nicola Cortese is not Southampton Football Club.

Edited 5 September, 2012 by CB Fry

[VectisSaint]

Nicola Cortese is not "the club". He is not Southampton Football Club. He is a Swiss bloke who happens to be the present CEO. And if people want to mock him, mock away. As you say, he's no Saint, and he ripe to be mocked. He needs to be able to take it, that's life in the public eye I'm afraid.

Is calling an Italian "a Swiss bloke" a form of mockery?

[CB Fry]

Is calling an Italian "a Swiss bloke" a form of mockery?

 

Actually I didn't intend that many layers of mockery, although I may stick with it now. Italian bloke, swiss bloke. All the same to me. Just someone who will be here for a while and then gone.

[Avenue Saint]

Why does Cortese get so much stick on this place?

 

What has he done that has caused so much damage and hurt to this football club?

[Colinjb]

Nicola Cortese is not Southampton Football Club.

 

And I would counter:

 

Neither is Matthew Le tissier

 

He is an incredible, wonderful part of the clubs fabric and history. He gave us such phenominal memories but it existed before and now continues to exist after his active contribution.

 

Neither men are Southampton Football Club, Cortese in his own words alongside the Leibherr family are simply 'custodians,' Le Tissier was a player. WE THE FANS are Southampton football club. Being split by their fued when they have both done such good for the club is insane.

Edited 5 September, 2012 by Colinjb