Raging Bull Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I'm with Matty Le Tiss. Wasn't Manji (now pro-NC) also very pro our good Lord Lowe? As for contribution to Saints without MLT we would have been relegated by 94 and quite possibly we would still be at The Dell. There are plenty of other CEO's with the talent of NC out there, players like MLT though? Hardly any. Just so I know, can MLT do anything in your eyes and it doesn't really matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 In docker p what does the P stand for... I wonder.... Docker Plymouth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Docker Plymouth? Pompey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Sigh. MLT broke the technical rules...and was singled out from what I can tell.... If so, it's juvenile behaviour from NC and the board.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 (edited) What's worse;Getting the TV turned over when a "rivals" face appears on the screen and also banning the use of a transferred season ticket due to an ongoing feud?, . OR. . Publicly tweeting about the above two issues?. . OR? . Are they said to be just as bad as each other? . Cortese's actions appear petty, but are they just the response to an earlier slight, or is it Matty's response that is petty when he should just have risen above it?Personally think neither come out of these spats with any credit and it is time for the squabbling to stop. Edited 4 September, 2012 by um pahars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 (edited) Duplicate Edited 4 September, 2012 by um pahars iPad, connection or dinlo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Firstly people should stopping airing their dirty laundry in public. Secondly, how much of this is hearsay? I'm no expert in TV but IIRC MLT can't be on live TV and in the boardroom at the same time.... so hearsay. There might be other reasons why the TV needs to go off - perhaps NC was on the phone to his sick granny and couldn't hear what she was saying? (something about Dolmio probably). Was this a deliberate attempt by NC to bar MLT by blocking him on the database (which sounds like a lot of effort) or an over zealous steward acting independently? Point is MLT can't know firsthand. Airing stuff on Twitter causes problems and isn't going to make problem any better. #rantover would be better as #rantnotstarted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 A stupid little spat about which I don't know any real details and one I will just ignore. Matty's dvd's still give the same pleasure and Cortese continually amazes where he is taking the club. I believe Corteses beef is Matty's reluctance to accept he nearly caused Saints to come to it's knees, a atance I have never accepted from Matty. If you start arguing that the FL penalties are wrong and produce Micky Falka as your front man you deserve to be ridiculed. I can't believe anyone now would still think the Pinnacle deal to still be right, beggars belief after all that was trotted out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 not being funny but my 6 year old acts better than these 2! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 I'm just wondering whether the idea was to block MLT's ST to prevent him getting access, and only later did Cortese find out he was working for Sky. Assuming any of this is true of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 What's worse;Getting the TV turned over when a "rivals" face appears on the screen and also banning the use of a transferred season ticket due to an ongoing feud?, . OR. . Publicly tweeting about the above two issues?. . OR? . Are they said to be just as bad as each other? . Cortese's actions appear petty, but are they just the response to an earlier slight, or is it Matty's response that is petty when he should just have risen above it?Personally think neither come out of these spats with any credit and it is time for the squabbling to stop. If some of the stuff I've heard is true then Le Tiss has been pretty reserved in what he has said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Our past v our present and future. They all need to grow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 If people actually knew the whole story you would be shocked. It will come out one day I'm sure. All in good time. One of the two is the devils child. I will let you work out which one it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Also Colin, in my opinion, mr cortese is just killing his time and waiting for the right buyer to come along in order for him to get his very nice pay off. Around 4 million I believe. His attachment to the club is 100% business. If I buyer came in tomorrow and was the right price the club would be sold. And you would never hear of see him again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsmooth Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Brilliant post Here here agree 100percent this club is what it is because of mlt and all the other great players and the experiences they have given to us the supporters. Swiss billionaires and italian financiers are welcome all day long but they will come and go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Here here agree 100percent this club is what it is because of mlt and all the other great players and the experiences they have given to us the supporters. Swiss billionaires and italian financiers are welcome all day long but they will come and go. Just as all the great players have come and gone too. Swiss billionaires and Italian financiers and their like have never ever been present at the club in all its history. The club has never previously been owned by anybody with any real money. That money means that the future of the club is assured and that it is quite possible that even greater players will come to play for us. If Cortese is here for a decade and continues with his ambitions plans for the club's growth and future success, then the Liebherr/Cortese era will feature far more prominently in the club's history than any single individual player. I realise that some do not like that, but it will be a fact. But if you'd prefer that they went and we reverted back to a club run by small provincial solicitors and accountants, or owners of minor care home businesses, then you're welcome to it. Count me out. I'm grateful to former players who gave illustrious service to the club, but if they retire and then go on to be disruptive influences, then they risk tarnishing their own images and lose the respect for the fans who adored them. That doesn't diminish my memories of what they did on the football pitch, but it just illustrates that somebody good at kicking a football doesn't necessarily possess other attributes that are beneficial to the club when they hang up their boots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 If people actually knew the whole story you would be shocked. It will come out one day I'm sure. All in good time. One of the two is the devils child. I will let you work out which one it is. I am sure you have discussed the situation at length the situation with Mr Cortese. I cant wait to hear your fascinating insights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 Cortese has achieved nothing at Saints that any other CEO would have done with the same backing. So lets knock off this idea that somehow Cortese and Cortese alone is responsible for promoting us. On the contrary, Cortese has done a lot that more experienced CEO's would know NOT to do. Falling out with the Echo is a good example. NC's pettiness AGAIN in banning the Echo has cut off a useful tool in communicating with people not currently engaged with the club, remember how there was next to know press about the preseason friendlies?? And think about the free press previous sponsors have got from the Echo and then think whether the lack of attention to our current sponsor was reflected in the amount the pay? Look at how sh1te the ticket office is now, how empty the executive boxes are, how 1,000 plus tickets were't sold that could have been for Man U because the ticket office screwed up. All things any worthwhile CEO would have running smoothly as a priority. But all this is peanuts surely to club with TV money now and a wealthy family??? But when the Good people from the Liebherr family decide to pull out and we're left with a club who's entire commercial activity has been neglected as has happened under NC things we will look a lot less stable. It is worth remembering NC had never run a marketing department, a commercial department, or employed anyone before coming to us. He was a banker with experience in running a desk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 Yep - we've really spiralled down the leagues with him in charge - get him out LOL, yep because any other CEO with the Liebherrs backing would have us still fumbling around in Div1 . LOL Get over yourself. Cortese is an embarrassment to SFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 LOL, yep because any other CEO with the Liebherrs backing would have us still fumbling around in Div1 . LOL Get over yourself. Cortese is an embarrassment to SFC Without Nicola Cortese there would have been no Markus Leibherr in the first place, he recommended the club to him! It's amazing how many people overlook this. Is Cortese perfect? No, no-one is, but without him we may well have ceased to exist. As for the terrible story about what he did to le Tissier, if it truly is as bad as is said it must surely be told! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 Just as all the great players have come and gone too. Swiss billionaires and Italian financiers and their like have never ever been present at the club in all its history. The club has never previously been owned by anybody with any real money. That money means that the future of the club is assured and that it is quite possible that even greater players will come to play for us. If Cortese is here for a decade and continues with his ambitions plans for the club's growth and future success, then the Liebherr/Cortese era will feature far more prominently in the club's history than any single individual player. I realise that some do not like that, but it will be a fact. But if you'd prefer that they went and we reverted back to a club run by small provincial solicitors and accountants, or owners of minor care home businesses, then you're welcome to it. Count me out. I'm grateful to former players who gave illustrious service to the club, but if they retire and then go on to be disruptive influences, then they risk tarnishing their own images and lose the respect for the fans who adored them. That doesn't diminish my memories of what they did on the football pitch, but it just illustrates that somebody good at kicking a football doesn't necessarily possess other attributes that are beneficial to the club when they hang up their boots. I don't want to go back to bring run by a retirement company no but just because cortese has got a lot right doesn't mean he is exempt from criticism. After what Matty did for this club I can understand him bring upset by cortese actions in this case and I certainly wouldn't call Matty disruptive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 You wouldn't call him disruptive even though it's all coming from Matt.....alright then. Oh and docker p, you're a mug fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 MLT was a fantastic footballer, a fantastic person, very loyal, a person I looked up to, but not the best judgement when it comes to finance and when to let things lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 For all Cortese's faults he wasn't financially backed by a taxi driver living with his mum. There are clubs who have spent more than us and not achieved promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 For all Cortese's faults he wasn't financially backed by a taxi driver living with his mum. There are clubs who have spent more than us and not achieved promotion. Leicester for a start and they didn't have to start in L1 and they have lost millions and not even made the play-offs. As the Sky figures showed before the Jay Rob transfer (i.e. to get promotion to the PL) we had spent £4m LESS on players since the Liebheers took over than we had spent on new players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 For all Cortese's faults he wasn't financially backed by a taxi driver living with his mum. There are clubs who have spent more than us and not achieved promotion. According to Docker-P, any CEO can do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 (edited) I'm grateful to former players who gave illustrious service to the club, but if they retire and then go on to be disruptive influences. Matt's not really being disruptive though is he? He's having a dig at our chairman. On, err Twitter.That won't stop us winning football matches will it? Nicola Cortese is not Southampton Football Club made flesh. He's a Swiss Banker no one had ever heard of three years ago who just happens to be CEO at this moment in time. If a different ex-player comes out and takes the pi ss out of him every single day for the rest of the year then that won't affect the team on the pitch on jot. And it would be hilarious to that happen, if only to see the po-faced Cult of Cortese nutjobs on here go into meltdown because someone has dared question their godhead. MLT worth a thousand Nicola Corteses. Edited 5 September, 2012 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 MLT worth a thousand Nicola Corteses. In terms of ultimately saving the club from financial meltdown he didn't prove to be of any value. That said, I think it's a shame if they've decided to crack down on his season ticket specifically. It's not as if the turnstyle system lends itself to verifying the identity of a holder beyond adult/concession they must have flagged his ticket deliberately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 According to Docker-P, any CEO can do it. Tell that to Leicester's owners. It's the same sort of moronic sentiment as saying Fergie's achievements are nothing as it was all down to the players and Neil Warnock could have managed them to all those PL titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 So anyone who believes Cortese is doing a good job & taking the club forward is a po-faced nutjob? That's almost a dull as believing an ex player deserves an untouchable status no matter what he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
channonball Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 I would be embarrassed to be a steward asked to enforce it. Remember it isn't the first time Nicola has done this to a fan. Credit goes to him for org buying the club etc, but that shouldn't make him immune to criticism. He certainly has a lot to learn about customer service. Revisit his customer charter and see how many policies have gone out of the window...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 Why do certain posters talk of a Cult of Cortese? Utter nonsense. I've not done a survey but I suspect the majority of Saints fans are grateful that he had the foresight to see the opportunity with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 So anyone who believes Cortese is doing a good job & taking the club forward is a po-faced nutjob? That's almost a dull as believing an ex player deserves an untouchable status no matter what he does. I think Cortese is doing a good job and is taking the club forward. He makes a boatload of mistakes though, from the pis spoor new kit to ticketing process to petty feuds witj the local press. Me just saying that will get the Cult of Cortese nutjobs out with their sentiment that Cortese is the club and any criticism is an attack on the club and will somehow "destabilise" us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdsaint Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 Whoever out of Cortese or MLT has the higher moral ground in this - the result is Saints Fans sniping at each other over something that they can't resolve... all a tad pointless. Neither Cortese or MLT have covered themselves in glory with regards to how they deal with each other - the bigger man will be the one who steps forward and resolves it.. If people actually knew the whole story you would be shockedWell... tell people then. You allude to the "devil's child" and then say "mr cortese is just killing his time and waiting for the right buyer" - so it kinda suggests that it's not MLT dressed up with pitch fork and pointy tail. So perhaps the way forward is get the story out there (so it can be put to bed once and for all)... or for MLT/Cortese to sort it awt between themselves and move forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 (edited) Not entirely sure anyone truly believes it'll destabilise us and certainly is not "the club". IMO we are the club. He does however deserve credit for what he's done. Edited 5 September, 2012 by Raging Bull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 I don't want to go back to bring run by a retirement company no but just because cortese has got a lot right doesn't mean he is exempt from criticism. After what Matty did for this club I can understand him bring upset by Cortese actions in this case and I certainly wouldn't call Matty disruptive. Matts not disruptive ? You really are dim. MLT dissing Cortese on Sky on JPT Finals day, using his creepy sidekick Osman to take the **** at various events, encouraging Botox face Jeff Stelling to do an anti-Cortese rant on Sky Sports News, encouraging Benali to do a anti-Cortese rant on Football Focus, fronting the Pinnacle bid which nearly destroyed our club and of course MLTs latest childish comments on twitter without which we would probably not even be discussing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 Well... tell people then. You allude to the "devil's child" and then say "mr cortese is just killing his time and waiting for the right buyer" - so it kinda suggests that it's not MLT dressed up with pitch fork and pointy tail. So perhaps the way forward is get the story out there (so it can be put to bed once and for all)... or for MLT/Cortese to sort it awt between themselves and move forward. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 Matts not disruptive ? You really are dim. MLT dissing Cortese on Sky on JPT Finals day, using his creepy sidekick Osman to take the **** at various events, encouraging Botox face Jeff Stelling to do an anti-Cortese rant on Sky Sports News, encouraging Benali to do a anti-Cortese rant on Football Focus, fronting the Pinnacle bid which nearly destroyed our club and of course MLTs latest childish comments on twitter without which we would probably not even be discussing this. He won't answer this question because he can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 Matts not disruptive ? You really are dim. MLT dissing Cortese on Sky on JPT Finals day, using his creepy sidekick Osman to take the **** at various events, encouraging Botox face Jeff Stelling to do an anti-Cortese rant on Sky Sports News, encouraging Benali to do a anti-Cortese rant on Football Focus, fronting the Pinnacle bid which nearly destroyed our club and of course MLTs latest childish comments on twitter without which we would probably not even be discussing this. Giving you the benefit of the doubt that Le Tissier did all this, what has he disrupted by doing so? Le Tiss is hardly famed for having an attitude or picking fights with people is he? Seems pretty well liked throughout the game and media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 (edited) Matts not disruptive ? You really are dim. MLT dissing Cortese on Sky on JPT Finals day, using his creepy sidekick Osman to take the **** at various events, encouraging Botox face Jeff Stelling to do an anti-Cortese rant on Sky Sports News, encouraging Benali to do a anti-Cortese rant on Football Focus, fronting the Pinnacle bid which nearly destroyed our club and of course MLTs latest childish comments on twitter without which we would probably not even be discussing this. We won the JPT final didn't we.... dispite the earth shattering disruption Matt Le Tissier seemingly caused. And Mike Osman is disrupted our charge to the Premier League did he? Mike Osman. I dread to think who the next big gun Matt is going to wheel out in his heavy duty disruption campaign.... Richard Digence? Gary Wilmot? How is taking the **** out of some Swiss bloke disrupting the club? How? Edited 5 September, 2012 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 We won the JPT final didn't we.... dispite the earth shattering disruption Matt Le Tissier seemingly caused. And Mike Osman is disrupted our charge to the Premier League did he? Mike Osman. I dread to think who the next big gun Matt is going to wheel out in his heavy duty disruption campaign.... Richard Digence? Gary Wilmot? How is taking the **** out of some Swiss bloke disrupting the club? How? The impact it has is more about perception than anything else. Saturday was a case in point on Sky Sports. Despite the fact that we had just smashed our record transfer fee on one of Europe's most highly rated younf players, all the Sky Sports panel did was scoff at our transfers and ask if the Echo is still banned. Hardly great exposure for the club and is just one such example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 If people actually knew the whole story you would be shocked. It will come out one day I'm sure. All in good time. One of the two is the devils child. I will let you work out which one it is. Not that you'd have any bais when considering an issue between Nicola Cortese and Matt Le Tissier would you Matthew Le Tissier! Why don't you enlighten us with the whole story so we can make an informed judgement ourselves! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 Matts not disruptive ? You really are dim. MLT dissing Cortese on Sky on JPT Finals day, using his creepy sidekick Osman to take the **** at various events, encouraging Botox face Jeff Stelling to do an anti-Cortese rant on Sky Sports News, encouraging Benali to do a anti-Cortese rant on Football Focus, fronting the Pinnacle bid which nearly destroyed our club and of course MLTs latest childish comments on twitter without which we would probably not even be discussing this. I'm dim? Coming from the most out if touch poster in here ever who hasn't any feeling for anyone who has ever had a part to play in the pre Lowe era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 The impact it has is more about perception than anything else. Saturday was a case in point on Sky Sports. Despite the fact that we had just smashed our record transfer fee on one of Europe's most highly rated younf players, all the Sky Sports panel did was scoff at our transfers and ask if the Echo is still banned. Hardly great exposure for the club and is just one such example. I think you're a bit paranoid. I was in the pub for the game and it cut out the pundits but I've seen and heard plenty of other coverage about our performance and manager. And nothing, at all, on BBC TV and Radio and on Talksport or in any papers I've seen about whatever you are on about. The perception is entirely yours I think. The rest of the non Cortese worshipping world goes on undisrupted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 NC has been a nob MLT is also a complete nob... There said it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 I'm dim? Raging Bull was right. You cant anwer the question. BTW I will answer YOUR question, yes you are dim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 If people actually knew the whole story you would be shocked. It will come out one day I'm sure. All in good time. One of the two is the devils child. I will let you work out which one it is. Looking forward to all the rupert lowe and mike wilde stuff coming out first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 Raging Bull was right. You cant anwer the question. BTW I will answer YOUR question, yes you are dim. How has Le Tissier actually disrupted the club? He hasn't. He's had a bit of a moan when maybe he shouldn't and that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 NC has been a nob MLT is also a complete nob... There said it Steady on homie, you're in danger of upsetting all of us with out of hand coments like this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 5 September, 2012 Share Posted 5 September, 2012 Raging Bull was right. You cant anwer the question. BTW I will answer YOUR question, yes you are dim. U are a complete idiot. Ur not even a saints fan. I don't think u supported club til Lowe came in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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