manji Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Its a myth its a "one is bad as the other" thing. Its all coming from Matt. Hes been using his influence at Sky to snipe at Saints for quite a while now. It started at Skys coverage of the JPT final (when he was really stirring) continued with Jeff Stelling rant against Cortese (with Matt sat in the background smiling smugly) and is still going on now. What has Cortese done wrong ? Think about it Matt is using his influence to continually snipe at the current owners and then expects Priority treatment from the club ? I suspect MLT still feels a prat supporting the Pinnacle bid (which nearly destroyed our club BTW) and is also bitter at being portrayed as a Saints expert by the media when in fact he knows **** all about what is going on these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Its a myth its a "one is bad as the other" thing. Its all coming from Matt. Hes been using his influence at Sky to snipe at Saints for quite a while now. It started at Skys coverage of the JPT final (when he was really stirring) continued with Jeff Stelling rant against Cortese (with Matt sat in the background smiling smugly) and is still going on now. What has Cortese done wrong ? Think about it Matt is using his influence to continually snipe at the current owners and then expects Priority treatment from the club ? I suspect MLT still feels a prat supporting the Pinnacle bid (which nearly destroyed our club BTW) and is also bitter at being portrayed as a Saints expert by the media when in fact he knows **** all about what is going on these days. What has cortese done wrong? Not letting him give his ticket to someone else isn't the best is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 how is that possible? I mean there isn't anyone checking the card at the gate matches the holders identity. Exactly ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I noticed matt's negativity on sky before the game and posted about it in the 'sack Adkins get redknapp' thread, and this was before any of this twitter stuff, so yeah he needs to shut the feck up. I'd rather he wasn't commenting on saints games. This club would be royally fecked if pinnacle and MLT had been successful in their bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 What has cortese done wrong? Not letting him give his ticket to someone else isn't the best is it? Firstly how do we know this is true. And secondly not letting someone transfer a ticket is hardly comparable to MLT conducting an anti-Saints vendetta via the media. Say for example I kept posting on here that you were a moronic idiot (hypothetically of course) and then you announced you were having a party and refused me entry who would be in the wrong ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazing Hangover Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Why don't we talk it over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed demon Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 He is a petty tw*t nearly all the time. The sooner the Liebherr family get shot and install someone with more experience the better. Are you ******* mental or just a WUM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Firstly how do we know this is true. And secondly not letting someone transfer a ticket is hardly comparable to MLT conducting an anti-Saints vendetta via the media. Say for example I kept posting on here that you were a moronic idiot (hypothetically of course) and then you announced you were having a party and refused me entry who would be in the wrong ? Haven't heard Matty say that in public and I'd have sorted it out with u previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Say for example I kept posting on here that you were a moronic idiot (hypothetically of course) and then you announced you were having a party and refused me entry who would be in the wrong ? Say for example I saved you and all your family from drowning (hypothetically of course) and then you announced you were having a party and refused me entry who would be in the wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Clearly none of us know all the ins and outs of this, so it's not for me to say who is right or wrong - but to keep it in public, whatever it is, does not help the club going forward, and it would appear that the only one bringing anything out in public is Matt. That's a shame. Nobody is perfect in this world. A bit of tolerance and humility go a long way. (And that could equally apply to this forum.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Say for example I saved you and all your family from drowning (hypothetically of course) and then you announced you were having a party and refused me entry who would be in the wrong? Just so I get this right. My family would be Southampton FC and you would be Cortese/Leibherr ? If Im correct in this assumption. I would be (hypothetically) mean spirited in refusing you entry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 He's a pundit and is required to be a bit controversial. No harm in that, except if it's taken all too seriously. And i am sure Cortese has a thick enough skin to cope with the odd lukewarm jibe now and again. It's not an anti-NC vendetta, that's just pant pi**ing nonsense in the extreme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Just so I get this right. My family would be Southampton FC and you would be Cortese/Leibherr ? If Im correct in this assumption. I would be (hypothetically) mean spirited in refusing you entry. ...so in your example who is calling who a moronic idiot over and over? And what is this horse sh it example based on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I think Matt needs to grow up, Twitting that hopeing for a reaction from us sad. Some of the stuff him and his mates on sky sports news have said in the past is a joke. Still upset he did'nt get the club no wonder nc does'nt like him. Matt needs to grow, really? He, like every other customer purchased his adult ticket, he was working yesterday so gave it to a mate (like I have done for the villa game) when he tried to use it he was denied entry!! If Matt had passed on a child or complimentory ticket then I'd say fair enough, but an adult ticket passed to an adult, can't see a problem?? I'd suggest it is in NC that needs to grow up! As for Matty been out of order going public, why shouldn't he? He's on twitter & felt, feels aggrieved, I'd go public as I'm sure would if, like Matt you felt ******ed of!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 So we should be. It's Matthew Le Tissier. He's worth fifty chief execs, Swiss or otherwise. He was when he was playing. He's not anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Your wasting your time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I know somebody who is quite involved in charity work for one reason or another. When Matty was top of his game in the mid ninties he approached him to get involved in an event he was organising to raise its profile. He explained that he was booked in to play golf that day but no he would cancel it and come and do the event. That for me shows the sort of calibre of the guy he is. It also illustrates how important the Saints community is to him. He was also genius on the pitch who money could not buy; we watched a team with the best player in Europe in it and there was nothing the other clubs could do. A legend who should be respected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I know somebody who is quite involved in charity work for one reason or another. When Matty was top of his game in the mid ninties he approached him to get involved in an event he was organising to raise its profile. He explained that he was booked in to play golf that day but no he would cancel it and come and do the event. That for me shows the sort of calibre of the guy he is. It also illustrates how important the Saints community is to him. He was also genius on the pitch who money could not buy; we watched a team with the best player in Europe in it and there was nothing the other clubs could do. A legend who should be respected. All absolutely correct, but nothing to do with this issue IMO. Matt is making something public which, IMO, needn't be. It's not a major issue, certainly not one I'm going to slate him for like some, I just think it's a bit unfortunate and unnecessary. The same goes for NC - done lots of good things, and done plenty not so good. This particular issue seems petty (IF true, and IF it is on his own direct instruction) and unnecessary and only serves to cause concern when we should be focusing on the football and our return to the Premier League. Some fans make their mind up about individuals and feel the need to take sides, when actually no one really wins or loses in things like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Your wasting your time.You're ! Sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Are you ******* mental or just a WUM? He has had an agenda with Cortese from the v beginning, be quiet for ages, not surprised he has come out of the woodwork for a bit of bashing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 My backing of MLT on this matter has nothing to do with how I feel about him as a former ex player/hero. He admittance to betting fraud has lowered my opinion of him substantially. However, I just think its petty by Cortese and if true (I can't see MLT telling porkies) shows what sort of person he is. Put yourself in Matt's shoes and you had lent your ST to perhaps your Grandad and when he got to the ground he found that he was barred because you and the chairman had had words. How would you react? Shrug your shoulders, sigh and keep it to yourself, or feel annoyed and have a moan about it? Kind of a chicken an egg scenario - and as a result an impasse - dont ahve any issue with MLT feeling agrieved at NC for pettiness, but its teh whole use of his media work to give him a platform for airing his grievences in public that probably keeps NC being petty. You have to remember I think this is alot more to do with Benali and all that guff than anything to do with pinnacle - what was probably benali being poissued off that NC had terminated the letting, turned into Benali talking on Sky about needing to 'indusstrially clean' the place etc - which is pretty insulting... Squables will always exist where there are egos and big personalities involved, but the fact is only one side is playing it out in the media, egged on by the classroom fools on Sky like Merson etc - Matty should just make it clear that its not a topic for discussion. It will never be resolved whilst that public airng continues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 this is like watching ur parents fight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essruu Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Tiss complaining someone wasn't allowed to use his season ticket?? They're non-transferrable.. Yes other people do it, which he's made a point of in his tweets. This is because the steward has no idea that 'saints fan a' is not 'saints fan b'. The stewards would probably notice that 'saints fan c' is not Matt Le Tissier. Grow up... This doesn't wash with me. Cortese /the club give two free season tickets to full time staff; They can't use both, so in effect they are allowed by the club to 'transfer' at least one (if not both) of the tickets to somebody else every match. Buying a match ticket to 'transfer'/tout it is one thing; this is entirely different. Disappointingly petty by Cortese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 MLT really doesn't do himself any favours. It's so playground it's untrue. I know it's not entirely comparable, but, look at where gooey-eyed sentimentality got Liverpoo last season? Let memories stay in the past, and those in charge of the future handle it. Please boys, just put this all to bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Cortese is an egomaniacal bellend. But MLT is acting a bit like a twisted ex-girlfriend. Would take Tiss's side 100 times out of 100 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Cortese is an egomaniacal bellend. But MLT is acting a bit like a twisted ex-girlfriend. Would take Tiss's side 100 times out of 100 though. Based on your personal acquaintance with them both is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Can't we all just get along !? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Cortese is an egomaniacal bellend. But MLT is acting a bit like a twisted ex-girlfriend. Would take Tiss's side 100 times out of 100 though. Why? Because he did a good job for us when he was employed as a player? I don't think saints are indebted to le Tiss in any way. He did not keep saints up on his own. Yes he made a massive contribution but he could not do that without other players around him. Saints current status has much more to do with the Leibherr's and Cortese than to le Tiss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Unlike with MLT, I guess they can't police your (general public) use of your own ST, but what's the official rule on sharing ST? I can't be sure what the exact, official policy is. But I asked for an email from the senior corporate staff so I had in writing that I could share out my STs before I was willing to pay £3.5K for them - and I got this email. You're right that my name flashing up on the swipe card system is likely to raise less eyebrows than "Matt Le Tissier" coming up on the screen, but still.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Saints current status has much more to do with the Leibherr's and Cortese than to le Tiss. I find it uncomfortable reading that, but its true. The double relegation and administration basically erased Matty's legacy from of the club. Fortunately not from our memories or DVDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Squables will always exist where there are egos and big personalities involved' date=' but the fact is only one side is playing it out in the media, egged on by the classroom fools on Sky like Merson etc - Matty should just make it clear that its not a topic for discussion. It will never be resolved whilst that public airng continues[/quote'] I know and care little about this whole petty feud, but when Cortese talked of dark forces to the Sun (was it?), wasn't that a slight on the likes of Matt and Francis and therefore him using the media as Mat has done? Note I'm not excusing Matt for his previous comments, I agree he has not helped himself and added a lot of fuel to the fire, but I just think that this time he is right to be ****ed off and air it. I have to say I don't think it is hurting the club much or indeed at all. Storm in a tea cup the whole affair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Why? Because he did a good job for us when he was employed as a player? I don't think saints are indebted to le Tiss in any way. He did not keep saints up on his own. Yes he made a massive contribution but he could not do that without other players around him. Saints current status has much more to do with the Leibherr's and Cortese than to le Tiss. Remind me, what is Le Tiss asking for here exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 How did the name come up my name does not flashup when i swipe in, did somebody check a database then send a steward to go and physically check his seat to ensure that Matt was not the person sat in the seat, in the hectic schedule of entertaining guests from Man U, Cortese had time to pick upon Matt not being in his seat and think I wonder if anybody is in his seat. You can hear the coversation "Excuse me Sir Matt Busby I have to go off and find in one of our 32000 seats is being illegally occupied or waste one of my minions time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Saints current status has much more to do with the Leibherr's and Cortese than to le Tiss.You are probably right, but don't underestimate what Le Tiss did for the club. Without LeTiss there would have been no prem, no prem no stadium, no stadium no Leibherr. Besides, knowledgeable football fans have soft spot for le Tiss and that reflects very well on us as a club. Can't believe I am defending him so much on here. I'm still unhappy about the betting stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 How did the name come up my name does not flashup when i swipe in, did somebody check a database then send a steward to go and physically check his seat to ensure that Matt was not the person sat in the seat, in the hectic schedule of entertaining guests from Man U, Cortese had time to pick upon Matt not being in his seat and think I wonder if anybody is in his seat. You can hear the coversation "Excuse me Sir Matt Busby I have to go off and find in one of our 32000 seats is being illegally occupied or waste one of my minions time." the (card) ticket would not have worked as it can be barred using a central database. I suspect Matt was given advance warning though, rather than have some friend of his struggling to get the turn style to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I know and care little about this whole petty feud, but when Cortese talked of dark forces to the Sun (was it?), wasn't that a slight on the likes of Matt and Francis and therefore him using the media as Mat has done? Note I'm not excusing Matt for his previous comments, I agree he has not helped himself and added a lot of fuel to the fire, but I just think that this time he is right to be ****ed off and air it. I have to say I don't think it is hurting the club much or indeed at all. Storm in a tea cup the whole affair. I know what you mean - but NC did not name or go into details, despite that fact is was in response to thsoe who were perhaps a tad pished off that they had lost 'privilages' etc. Does it do much harm? well it seems the only one suffering is Matty, as we know NC will simply dig in and keep quiet. I have to admit, if it was me I would like to think I could be the bigger man - quit the on air sniping - maybe start to give some credit to the owners and management on air (he only ever gives NIge credit,never anyone else) and then privately arrange a meeting and resolve it - A Matt on side would be beneficial to saints, and NC I am sure would see the benefits of that, but seems they are simply both too stubborn at this time to resolve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 How did the name come up my name does not flashup when i swipe in, did somebody check a database then send a steward to go and physically check his seat to ensure that Matt was not the person sat in the seat, in the hectic schedule of entertaining guests from Man U, Cortese had time to pick upon Matt not being in his seat and think I wonder if anybody is in his seat. You can hear the coversation "Excuse me Sir Matt Busby I have to go off and find in one of our 32000 seats is being illegally occupied or waste one of my minions time." The two scanners in corporate do flash up your name. Not sure if this is where MLT's ST is though (but wld have thought so...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewStiles Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I'm with Matty Le Tiss. Wasn't Manji (now pro-NC) also very pro our good Lord Lowe? As for contribution to Saints without MLT we would have been relegated by 94 and quite possibly we would still be at The Dell. There are plenty of other CEO's with the talent of NC out there, players like MLT though? Hardly any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I'm with Matty Le Tiss. Wasn't Manji (now pro-NC) also very pro our good Lord Lowe? As for contribution to Saints without MLT we would have been relegated by 94 and quite possibly we would still be at The Dell. There are plenty of other CEO's with the talent of NC out there, players like MLT though? Hardly any. Why take sides at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I'm with Matty Le Tiss. Wasn't Manji (now pro-NC) also very pro our good Lord Lowe? As for contribution to Saints without MLT we would have been relegated by 94 and quite possibly we would still be at The Dell. There are plenty of other CEO's with the talent of NC out there, players like MLT though? Hardly any. That's the point though. Le Tiss hasn't played for the club in nearly 13 years so his talent as a player is irrelevant if you're comparing it to that of a CEO. Le Tiss now earns a very good living from Sky TV where he is employed to offer his opinion on clubs, players, chairmen etc etc. If he chooses to use his position to bring a personal dispute with NC into the public eye then that's entirely up him but it doesn't take much to work out that this is only counter productive in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I'm with Matty Le Tiss. Wasn't Manji (now pro-NC) also very pro our good Lord Lowe? As for contribution to Saints without MLT we would have been relegated by 94 and quite possibly we would still be at The Dell. There are plenty of other CEO's with the talent of NC out there, players like MLT though? Hardly any. Just wanted to check but you fully support MLT and his continued sniping at our club using his highly paid job in the media ? Correct ? and yes I am pro-Cortese. Marcus fully trusted his stewardship of our club and in that time in we have returned to the Premier League and we were the fifth highest penders in the last transfer window. Problem ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom & Gerry Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Don't they have better things to worry about and don't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey_saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I wasn't going to post this, but this is based on a twitter conversation between Matt and a friend of mine (who's not a saints fan)....I was hoping someone wouldn't mention it. Just remember his final reply "it will never diminish my love for Southampton FC #rantover". I just think the two need their heads knocking together because as is obvious, with MLT the stadium wouldn't have bene built and he is an integral part of this club, but then so is Nicola, without him and Markus, we'd have probably not even existed as club so in essence, just sort it out you two! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 For me, it's kinda like seeing two friends having an argument. You don't like to see it or hear it, you don't want to take sides because of the respect you have for both of them, you just want them to sort it out for everyone's sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I have no idea what caused this spat (unless it was Matt's support for Pinnacle over which he and I had a blazing row) or who is right, but I know one thing MLT is one of the most decent, honest, genuine guys around who loves Saints with a passion. I think it a great shame the two can't make up - after all both presumably want what is best for the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 (edited) IMHO this is a case of two men, (from different parts of the planet) ...both very important to the club (at different points of time) who came a cropper over the Liebherr takeover deal. Being a loyal Saint. Matt thought that the Pinnacle bid was the way out of our administration in 2009, but took the blame because he was the front man and voice for them, (and he and NC clearly don't speak the same langauge in expressing themselves), but I respect both...each in their own way. After the deal was done...I read (somewhere) that a hitherto unknown Swiss bid had cash on the table in late May...but the Administrator refused to consider it, and held out in the hope that the fans favourite would come up with a deal. Nicola Cortese was (perhaps rightly) angered because of the eternal delay.. .and that MLT continued to speak out against Lebherrs offer, (perhaps without knowing its content) ...when he (in his enthusiasm to save the club) he was clearly misled by a Pinnacle consortium that never existed. I feel sorry for him in that respect. A LOT of water has flowed under the bridge since then...and at last we are back out in the " big Ocean." I genuinely believe that no other offer (at that time) would have given SFC a better deal than they eventually got, (although clearly a lot of decisions taken along the way have upset countless people). In retrospect I'm glad that Marcus Liebherr wasn't persuaded to invest in Coventry instead.... As a fan of 50+years, I've seen a lot (both good and bad) happen to " my club ", and it saddens me that these two men cannot find the opportunity to sit down and honestly air their views (privately) to each other because ... each (in their own way)... have been "saviours " of OUR club. Edited 3 September, 2012 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Why would anyone 'love' a CEO of a football club!!!!! Even if they were doing a good job, which often Cortese isn't. Yep - we've really spiralled down the leagues with him in charge - get him out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 (edited) Yep - we've really spiralled down the leagues with him in charge - get him out Why entertain him, look at his history of posts! Another in the league of fudpucker, Cestrian saint, saint lard etc... Edited 3 September, 2012 by Avenue Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 but then so is Nicola, without him and Markus, we'd have probably not even existed as club so in essence, just sort it out you two! Always worth pointing this out as being really not true. Without Markus we might not be in the Prem now and spending gazillions on Uruguayans that Alpine doesn't like...but there was never any danger of us going out of existence. We would still be going no problem. We'd probably be somewhere in NPC or League One but we'd be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Why would anyone 'love' a CEO of a football club!!!!! Even if they were doing a good job, which often Cortese isn't. In docker p what does the P stand for... I wonder.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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