yateleysaint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Guly is a luxury player with no flare. He's a waste of space on and now off the pitch too it seems. All three subs were poor but the jury's still out on Jay Rod and Mayuka. If I had my way Guly would have suffered summary execution a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Already have, post 28. This one? Yep, just watched it again. Looks like Rodriguez is putting in a challenge on the cross, so Guly is backup to that. Seems thoruoughly bizarre to blame Guly for that goal. More pertinent questions would be why did Rio Ferdinand have a free header and why did RVP have no-one near him when the ball rebounded off the post for him to tap in. That would be the Rodgriguez who was trying to close down two players, eh? Wouldn't "backup to that" mean Guly closing down one of them as quickly as he could, especially as his weak headed clearance had caused the problem? Apart from the fact I countered your Guly arguement of course ? And the fact that Rio had a free header, a FREE header in the box, and that RVP reacted far quicker than the two saints players near the post ? Both far more critical than the fact that Guly failed to close down a man that Rodriguez really should have dealt with ? So yes, ignoring the other points, which obviously you need to do in order to suit tge point your making than Guly is at fault. As I said, similar to Fratton where Ward again had a free header as Adam failed to pick him up, conveniently forgotten as Guly didnt jump high enough. You didn't counter it at all - just kept going with the same nonsense. Rodriguez should have dealt with it, when he was trying to mark two players? Give me a break. And I've already said that others were at fault when the cross came over, so leave the Rio line out of it. Jesus Murphy, is Guly such a polarizing player that people choose to be willfully blind to his obvious errors as well as his undoubted qualities? I guess so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Just watched it again on MOTD. Harsh in the extreme to blame Guly, others much more at fault than him for allowing Ferdinand the freedom of the penalty area for his header then two Saints players falling asleep for the rebound off the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 He makes mistakes, and no he isnt free from criticism but ffs come on, blaming him for tgat goal ? Ok he may have been able to close down the cross but its such a small part considering the other players mistakes its unreal, and perhaps yes I am argueing about it because it is Guly and he gets a beating for the sake of it, face it, any other player that failed to close down the player we wouldnt be talking about it. Ive just watched it again, no matter what your saying about Guly if I was playing I would have done the same thing, J Rod made the move to the player, so you dont rush in, you stand off incase the player makes a move into the box. Another thing is Fox was stood right next to Guly so why puck Guly and not Fox ? Mental Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 The guy is just too inconsistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 I like Guly but he didn't have a great game when he came on today. Dropped far too deep when we were defending and was often marking the same man as Clyne, leaving Nani with acres of space on the wing that Clyne then had to work to close down. Shame on you if you booed him when he came on today as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 For as long as there's been Interweb forums, there have been scapegoats. Get off Guly's back, he is not the problem. The team does not defend well enough as a unit. We looked shaky sometimes last year, but now we have been found out big time. No individual is totally to blame, it's just that the sum of the parts (currently) isn't quite up to the job. I hope Yoshida is up to the job or it will be a long wait for the January window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAS Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 What is the point playing him, please explain in under 500 words, is he actually a non league player, did Atkins not tell him its a Prem game todayOk, so we've established you don't rate him, but surely your post should point out what he actually did wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Redstripe Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 I don't normally get aggressive but I've had enough now. For all those who jump on the slating Guly bandwagon, shut the **** up! Most of the time they don't even attend the games anyway to form a reasoned argument. Guly has been an important member of the squad for the last few years, yes, he's made mistakes but he doesn't deserve the stick he is getting for his performances all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 I fail to see what Guly adds to the team...I really do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Redstripe Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Goals maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 This thread is embaressing, some people need no encouragement to slate Guly. He had nothing to do with todays defensive frailties. In all honesty he would probably do a better job at left back than Fox and at centre back than Fonte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Redstripe Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Who's opinion and evaluation of a player do I respect and listen to, Nigel Adkins, Alan Pardew and other respected football men, or, the clueless and pathetic views of a section of Saintsweb numbnuts? Hmmm, that's a tough one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Do you have anything remotely resembling a counter-argument to put forward, or is that just a torrent of half-witted abuse all you've got? Don't bother responding - I already know the answer. Seeing as i'm a "half-wit" and later in this thread you refer to me as "pig ignorant", i thought i should maybe clear up my sentements in my original post... My reply was not directed specifically at you. It was more directed to the OP (who started a thread and has since disappeared without responding to any post. Maybe like you he already knows the answers?) Yes Guly isn't the worlds best player. Yes he has games when he's poor. But he doesn't deserve anywhere near the amount of abuse he gets either in the ground or on here. For someone to hurl abuse at a player, that plays for the team he supports, as he's just been brought on in the 75min when the team is winning 2-1 is just weird imo. Nigel made all 3 subs within about 5 mins of each other, all of which were attacking options. Fox was getting caught out of postion too high up the field. Fonte has moments of lack of concentration and we started to sit back and try and defend once all the changes had been made. Mayuka hasn't played for us yet (was this the right time for him to get a debut) Ive seen nothing so far of Rodriguez to say that he's going to bring us anything and today hasn't changed my view. And Guly was playing wide right taking up where Punch had had a very good game and was probably unlucky to be subbed. Personaly i think Gulys work rate is pretty good. If he loses the ball he chases it back. His movement off the ball to create space and his hold up play is excellent (allthough i admit he does sometimes take a bit too much time on the ball). I'm just not entirely sure which postition he should be playing? Maybe the choice of subs was wrong and we should blame Nigel Maybe we sat back and tried to absorb pressure and defend the lead for too long Maybe we shouldn't rely on forward players covering our defenders mistakes and being out of position Or just maybe we were playing Manchester United and they had Van Persie and he single handedly won them the match? Personally i thought the team were fantastic today. Every player put in 100%. We got beat by class finishing, a little naivety, and a few slip ups. Keep playing as we did today, and we won't have any problems come the end of the season. We used to have Paul Wotton, not the most gifted but always 100%, also Jason Ewell and then Papa Waigo.... Now we have Guly. The new player the fans love to hate. Here's looking forward to 2 weeks time and the next Guly bashing thread after the Arsenal game for no apparent reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 I thought KD's distribution was fine to be fair, better than Lindegards. Really? At least two of Kelvins short passes went short of their target, and nearly got us into big trouble. I'd rather he just punted it up the field than put us in danger that close to our goal. I like Guly but he didn't have a great game when he came on today. Dropped far too deep when we were defending and was often marking the same man as Clyne, leaving Nani with acres of space on the wing that Clyne then had to work to close down. Shame on you if you booed him when he came on today as well. I couldn't believe the booing when Guly came on. Unbelievable. No matter how limited a player he is, how inconsistant he is, or how much of a numpty he is for drink driving, you don't boo one of our own players. The team as a whole, at the end of a poor defeat, is borderline acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 What is the point playing him, please explain in under 500 words, is he actually a non league player, did Atkins not tell him its a Prem game today I'm guessing you haven't watched much/any non-league recently :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Fordy, thank you. I apologize. I should never have posted that. And I agree that we were fantastic today. It's unfortunate that this thread got started because there was far more to be positive about than Guly's role in the second goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 For as long as there's been Interweb forums, there have been scapegoats. The interweb was around when Jimmy Melia was playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 The interweb was around when Jimmy Melia was playing? No, but opinions were! I am not old enough to have seen him play, but I do remember my dad going round chanting "Melia, Chivers jam. Melia, Chivers jam". I just thought he was mad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Fordy, thank you. I apologize. I should never have posted that. And I agree that we were fantastic today. It's unfortunate that this thread got started because there was far more to be positive about than Guly's role in the second goal. No worries buddy, and i also apolagize about my first post rant... It just really winds me up after every game we have a thread pops up slagging off Guly no matter how it seems he's played... That on top of the vocal and animated abuse he receives in the ground without having even kicked a ball yet!! Unbelievable. Really got my back up this afternoon leaving the ground. Seems that we've been spoilt over the last two years and a few people are frustrated that we're no longer winning every week and the doom and gloom is back and people want someone to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 (edited) What is the point playing him, please explain in under 500 words, is he actually a non league player, did Atkins not tell him its a Prem game today Guly had very little to do with us losing today. You do realise that starting a thread like this is like walking round town with a hat on that says 'I know nothing about football'? Edited 3 September, 2012 by Sour Mash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Adkins wrote in his programme notes that Guly would pay the price for his drink driving. He put him on the bench. What he should have done was drop him completely. IMHO that sends he right message. He should not have been on the park, bu yesterday was not hs fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshephard3 Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I'm amazed to see a Guly thread after yesterday. Gave it a really good go and well done to all the lads who made the City and Utd games such a spectacle for us fans. If you HAVE to splash some blame culture around, I'd be interested to see the thinking behind Lambert coming off, as he was really causing problems and though he'd worked hard, didn't seem battered. Also, Fox is playing in the wrong division and I'd expect most of us can see that from the start of this season. Ferguson clearly could, hence attacking Clyne once for every 10 attacks on Fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambol2K9 Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I'm half surprised our mong fan base doesn't blame Guly for the first goal as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambol2K9 Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 If we HAVE to have a scapegoat for today I'd suggest it would be Fox, he was woeful. Seems like our black players over the years are always given less leeway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Taxi for Saint Warrior...as far into the solar system as possible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Really? At least two of Kelvins short passes went short of their target, and nearly got us into big trouble. I'd rather he just punted it up the field than put us in danger that close to our goal. he's just desperate to try and keep possession. he is trying to hard, but then again give the ball away at this level and you struggle to see it for 5 minutes, which was why we struggled so badly against Wigan. Difficult balance. After the first one you'd of thought he'd have been a little less risky though. The fact is Fox should have done a lot better with the poor pass to him. He just stood there on his heals, having a cup or tea. Far too casual. Swansea suffered in the same way at the start of last season getting caught in possession. Once we get with the speed of the league well get the balance right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom & Gerry Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 This may come as a revelation to some people but all players make mistakes. Some fans make mistakes - like booing Guly when he came on. That was when things started to go wrong. You are not going to beat a team like United if everyone is not together(as we live in a blame culture I know you will say that was Adkins fault for bringing him on). Funny Barnard's misdemeaners made him a cult hero but seem to have done the opposite for Guly. Why not admit we gave it a right good go but United are a world class team and just had too much for us in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian the Red Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 WTF did he do wrong today????? Tracked back well, and kept possession. Where's your JRod thread? Surely he done less. T W A T Woeful headed clearance that went straight to ManUre player who put into the box.... bang equaliser!! Apart from that pathetic defending not bad........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Woeful headed clearance that went straight to ManUre player who put into the box.... bang equaliser!! Apart from that pathetic defending not bad........ OK, so you're in your own box, facing your own goal, and a cross comes towards you... what do you do? I would suggest the first thing is to get your head to the ball before any opposition player - check Secondly, direct the ball to the area where there is least threat. Now clearly that is not going to be down into the area (Fox v Man City!) or towards the edge of the area where a follow-up shot is likely (P*mpey last season), so you direct it out towards the wings, which gives you and your defence time to regroup. Given his position and facing his own goal, I fail to see what else he realistically could've done with the ball. The fact there was a Man U player on the wing to pick it up again is not his primary concern (especially as he can't see him). Seriously, what would you have expected him to do? The only other option may have been to put it out for a corner, which is arguably just as dangerous as what he did do, but 'pathetic'? I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 OK, so you're in your own box, facing your own goal, and a cross comes towards you... what do you do? I would suggest the first thing is to get your head to the ball before any opposition player - check Secondly, direct the ball to the area where there is least threat. Now clearly that is not going to be down into the area (Fox v Man City!) or towards the edge of the area where a follow-up shot is likely (P*mpey last season), so you direct it out towards the wings, which gives you and your defence time to regroup. Or you put it out of play if you can. Given his position and facing his own goal, I fail to see what else he realistically could've done with the ball. The fact there was a Man U player on the wing to pick it up again is not his primary concern (especially as he can't see him). Seriously, what would you have expected him to do? Minty!!Minty!! Guly is the ONLY player who is not allowed to make a mistake It`s an agenda,have you not noticed/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 I should not be astonished at how ignorant and sheep like some of our supporters are, but I am. This thing with Guly is a classic. Its almost blind hatred irrespective of performance. If NA plays him week in week out and we get promoted two years running there's got to be at least some passing connection between the two... If you want a run around midfielder to bite the oppo's heels id say chaplow is way better. If you want a speedy winger outlet Id say SDR is better, if you want a target man id say SRL is better, if you want an out and out goalscorer id say BS is better, Im fairly confident Jayrod is a better header of the ball and if you want dribbling skills then Adams yer man, if you defensive position and passing then Spiderman and Cork are probably better. But if you want someone who can do a bit of all those and consistently does just that running around sacrificing himself for the team - Guly is a great resource to have in your team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom & Gerry Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 All players make mistakes - ( from Davis in goal with his distribution to Lambert with his pass that could have put us in for 3-1)so why are people banging on about the minor part he played in 1 of the goals. You can ask what his contribution to the team is and views will vary from a lot to nothing but to bang on about his mistakes is largely irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born In The 80s Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Woeful headed clearance that went straight to ManUre player who put into the box.... bang equaliser!! Apart from that pathetic defending not bad........ Oh dear. You've just proved in that statement that you know next to nothing about defending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 My take ? Guly do Prado being on the field (for the very limited time he was on) made virtually no difference whatsoever to yesterdays result or team performance. It should go without saying that is itself a criticism of sorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 OK, so you're in your own box, facing your own goal, and a cross comes towards you... what do you do? I would suggest the first thing is to get your head to the ball before any opposition player - check Secondly, direct the ball to the area where there is least threat. Now clearly that is not going to be down into the area (Fox v Man City!) or towards the edge of the area where a follow-up shot is likely (P*mpey last season), so you direct it out towards the wings, which gives you and your defence time to regroup. Given his position and facing his own goal, I fail to see what else he realistically could've done with the ball. The fact there was a Man U player on the wing to pick it up again is not his primary concern (especially as he can't see him). Seriously, what would you have expected him to do? The only other option may have been to put it out for a corner, which is arguably just as dangerous as what he did do, but 'pathetic'? I don't think so. Spot on Just got in and the highlights were on sky again, rewound the 3rd goal a few times... Again and still for the life of me cannot understand how Guly managed to come out with the criticism for it ! Jesus christ As per his defensive header you are spot on Minty, if you have actually played the game surely you could see thats the best place he could put it unless you seriously believe he could somehow power the header out for a throw in ? He could have headed it for a corner I suppose, no doubt he would have been blamed for that too If you want to see a truelly terrible defensive header compare it to Foxs against city. My take is everyone was dissapointed and needed someone to blame and personally I think we need a decent defensive coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Smirking, the only reason I'm responding is because you're misrepresenting what I said. As I quickly clarified, it was the second goal, not the third. And the problem was much less the clearing header (yes, it was certainly better than Fox's against Man City) but his slowness in getting out to help Rodriguez with the two-on-one that resulted from the header. That doesn't mean I'm making Guly the scapegoat - there were bigger defensive lapses than his, and others made far more mistakes than he did. It just means that IMO he should have done much better than he did in a situation that led to the tying goal. That's all. But because of the heavily polarized opinions surrounding Guly - and I've generally been a supporter - the response from some quarters has been ridiculous; you, for example, accused me of being "mental." FWIW I agree completely with your comment that we need to drastically upgrade our defensive coaching because we're making repetitive mistakes. Anyway, enough. Let's move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 3 October, 2012 Share Posted 3 October, 2012 Our friend and fans favourite Guly would like to move back to Brazil before he retires. http://www.eatsleepsport.com/Southampton/Saints-ace-drops-Brazil-return-admission-1479178.html?#.UGwGuk16t8E Quick Nige book him a flight and pack his bags. I will drive him to the airport seeing as he cannot drive himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 3 October, 2012 Share Posted 3 October, 2012 Ha ha!! First time I've seen this thread, we really do have some utterly clueless dinlow fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 October, 2012 Share Posted 3 October, 2012 Ha ha!! First time I've seen this thread, we really do have some utterly clueless dinlow fans. in what way...rating guly or not..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 3 October, 2012 Share Posted 3 October, 2012 in what way...rating guly or not..? Blaming him for the goal, the over reaction everytime he is anything less thn brilliant. Meanwhile some of our golden boys are beyond reproach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 October, 2012 Share Posted 3 October, 2012 Blaming him for the goal, the over reaction everytime he is anything less thn brilliant. Meanwhile some of our golden boys are beyond reproach. I think lallana could do with being dropped away from home...him or ramirez...and it wont be ramirez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 3 October, 2012 Share Posted 3 October, 2012 I miss Guly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 3 October, 2012 Share Posted 3 October, 2012 I think lallana could do with being dropped away from home...him or ramirez...and it wont be ramirez I wonder if Guly had been playing left midfield if Fox would be our current other whipping boy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 3 October, 2012 Share Posted 3 October, 2012 We've missed Guly esp away from home, a player who can link defense and attack and tracks back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 3 October, 2012 Share Posted 3 October, 2012 Amazing the crap that Talksh*t comes up with. He mentions that he wants to end his career in Brazil and suddenly he's homesick and wants out. http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/121003/homesick-guly-longs-brazil-return-182267 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 3 October, 2012 Share Posted 3 October, 2012 http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/121003/homesick-guly-longs-brazil-return-182267? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Bald_Si Posted 3 October, 2012 Share Posted 3 October, 2012 Not great journalism - says he's homesick, but then goes on to say "wants to return to brazil when his Saints contract expires". Not that homesick then..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonroader07 Posted 3 October, 2012 Share Posted 3 October, 2012 Bye... Does he want a lift to heathrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max_saints Posted 3 October, 2012 Share Posted 3 October, 2012 the clubs he mentioned are pretty big name clubs, would they want him back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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