Thedelldays Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Massive in the prem What the hell waa that about today Completely bonkers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Suicide! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Weren't exactly quality from the bench was it? A striker playing out of position, a guy on his first appearance in English football, and Guly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Not only that. Big striker on the left. I pacey striker on the right and guly Insane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 It's what lost us the game ultimately. I don't know if Adkins panicked after seeing us in the same position against City. Before the subs occurred we were creating chances and putting Utd on the back foot, then afterwards it was just all Utd. Crazy decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 What cost us today (from talk sport) Guly 52% Adkins 18% K.Davis 17% Fox 7% Fonte 5% Other 1% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 It seems that despite spending £7M we still don't yet have an adequate replacement for Rickie Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 I know we're winning 2-1 with 10 minutes to go! I'll take off my 3 best players - that'll let Man Utd win the game! I have understood if we brought on 3 defenders or a defensive midfielder - but we didn't really have anyone good enough on the bench. Mayuka looked a bit pointless - I'd rather have had Billy Sharp on the bench! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 What cost us today (from talk sport) Guly 52% Adkins 18% K.Davis 17% Fox 7% Fonte 5% Other 1% Not Scholes ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Dunno how Guly can be blamed for gifting two free headers in the box! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Marking from corners was worse, or giving away pointless corners in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Mayuka looked a bit pointlesseh? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didcot Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 What was he thinking. Comfortable in possession and looked like scoring again. Have the game to Scholes and Manure. Heartbreaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
channonball Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Cost us the game today. Unbelievable decisions with so much time to go in the match and we didn't look overly tired. We were pushing for a third goal and then he made the subs. Lambert wasn't there to hold the ball up so it just came back at us for 20 mins. The goals were inevitable unfortunately. That's the first major cock NA has made other than most of his signings.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Adkins blew the three points today, no other way to put it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Never doubted Adkins but he has to take the blame for us losing that game, felt gutted for starting 11 who gave it everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Cost us the game today. Unbelievable decisions with so much time to go in the match and we didn't look overly tired. We were pushing for a third goal and then he made the subs. Lambert wasn't there to hold the ball up so it just came back at us for 20 mins. The goals were inevitable unfortunately. That's the first major cock NA has made other than most of his signings.... Other than most of his signings? Jos? Clyne? S. Davis? At least wait for Ramirez, Yoshida and Mayuka to have a chance before making such stupid statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 It seems that despite spending £7M we still don't yet have an adequate replacement for Rickie Lambert. We don't need one! At least we didn't today. The guy was immense. Apart from the goal, Rio and Vidic simply did not like having him around. With Puncheon tearing Evra apart we really looked good going forward... Until we took 25% of our team off at once. The more I think about it, the more cross I get to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 I expected Mayuka to come on for his pace and to trouble them on the break, so bringing him on for Puncheon might have made sense. The other two subs did not, Lambert was holding the ball up and bringing others in to play.With the other substitutions though there was little creativity and Mayuka hardly saw the ball. Then you have to ask why Guly ? Has NA forgotten his defending at Nottarf Krap last year ? Thats before asking if he might contribute anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RinNY Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Tactically, and given what he had on the bench, Adkins' substitutions made sense: the last thing you want to do against ManU with a 2-1 lead is sit back and try to soak up their pressure: they will pick you apart. Clearly Rodriguez and Guly were supposed to help provide some attacking strength in the middle of the field, help us press forward and keep the pressure off the defence. Unfortunately, neither of them managed to contribute anything! So blame them for not doing their job, rather than Adkins for trying the right approach. If we'd had Yoshida to bring on to spell Fonte for the last 15 minutes; or Cork to help out in a tiring midfield, fine: but neither was available. Personally, I might have tried Lee with his pace rather than Guly, but I don't fault Adkins for going with the more experienced player. We were definitely much worse as a team, though, when Lallana and Puncheon and Lambert came off: depth was the issue, with a very weak bench today. Bring on Ramirez, and Yoshida, and bring back Cork: then we'll look a lot stronger all round. On the whole, today was a promising game: just such a pity about those last few minutes ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperm_john Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 dont get me wrong I love adkins and can see where he was coming from, lambert was cream crackered, as was lallana and he was probably thinking with united throwing the kitchen sink at us muyuka might get a goal on the counter and it would be the icing on the cake moment, but realistically we shouldnt really have made any of those substitutions and instead just of adjusted our shape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Mayuka looked a bit pointless Thats harsh on the lad, just arrived etc etc, but I did mention exactly that to a mate earlier after the game, did he actually even get a touch on the ball? J Rod looked pretty anonymous to me as well. I can see the thinking, SRL did look shattered, but cant see the reasoning behind bringing off AL. Oh well, at least it wasn't the tonking some of us were expecting. Onwards and upwards, COYR..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 the midfield was beginning to tire understandably and passes were starting to go astray. Adkins was right to freshen it up but he got the personnel wrong. it was crying out for someone like cork to come on and maintain our pressing game. lambert, lallana and puncheon played unbelievably today but they were dead on there feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 I've been a moderate Guly supporter but I'm done with him now. A weak defensive header was one thing but to stand there alongside Fox, two ball-watching sisters marking nothing and nobody while the wide man had ages to measure his cross to Rio, was something else. I have no idea what would possess NA to put Guly on when we needed some defensive fortitude. Still, I'm much more positive than negative about today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Tactically, and given what he had on the bench, Adkins' substitutions made sense: the last thing you want to do against ManU with a 2-1 lead is sit back and try to soak up their pressure: they will pick you apart. Clearly Rodriguez and Guly were supposed to help provide some attacking strength in the middle of the field, help us press forward and keep the pressure off the defence. Unfortunately, neither of them managed to contribute anything! So blame them for not doing their job, rather than Adkins for trying the right approach. If we'd had Yoshida to bring on to spell Fonte for the last 15 minutes; or Cork to help out in a tiring midfield, fine: but neither was available. Personally, I might have tried Lee with his pace rather than Guly, but I don't fault Adkins for going with the more experienced player. We were definitely much worse as a team, though, when Lallana and Puncheon and Lambert came off: depth was the issue, with a very weak bench today. Bring on Ramirez, and Yoshida, and bring back Cork: then we'll look a lot stronger all round. On the whole, today was a promising game: just such a pity about those last few minutes ... I don't really buy this. None of them looked knackered to me. They're professional footballers who are about to have a two-week break! Even if Lambert looked tired his positioning is still a class apart from Guly or J-Rod who is a kid in this league. And the new lad has no chance against the most professional defence in the league on his debut in English football. Look, my mum was here today and even she was baffled by the first substitution - "Puncheon's our best player" she said "Why is he going off?" And there's not a person on this forum who could answer that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Tactically, and given what he had on the bench, Adkins' substitutions made sense: the last thing you want to do against ManU with a 2-1 lead is sit back and try to soak up their pressure: they will pick you apart. Clearly Rodriguez and Guly were supposed to help provide some attacking strength in the middle of the field, help us press forward and keep the pressure off the defence. Unfortunately, neither of them managed to contribute anything! So blame them for not doing their job, rather than Adkins for trying the right approach. If we'd had Yoshida to bring on to spell Fonte for the last 15 minutes; or Cork to help out in a tiring midfield, fine: but neither was available. Personally, I might have tried Lee with his pace rather than Guly, but I don't fault Adkins for going with the more experienced player. We were definitely much worse as a team, though, when Lallana and Puncheon and Lambert came off: depth was the issue, with a very weak bench today. Bring on Ramirez, and Yoshida, and bring back Cork: then we'll look a lot stronger all round. On the whole, today was a promising game: just such a pity about those last few minutes ... But with his track record, do you not think NA should have expected any more from Guly's contribution ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Davis looked more knackered than Puncheon. Where was Chaplow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Why can't the OP just leave it at the same comments he made in the post match thread. Or does he feel to need to say look at me so badly that the only way that he can achieve it is by starting a new thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Leave over. Good thread IMO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Look, my mum was here today and even she was baffled by the first substitution - "Puncheon's our best player" she said "Why is he going off?" And there's not a person on this forum who could answer that... Look, several people have answered it. He was knackered. You might not have thought that, but then it wasn't your decision to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Look, several people have answered it. He was knackered. You might not have thought that, but then it wasn't your decision to make. Really? And yet he was shaking his head coming off and had just been on a run that caused their defence havoc! Sorry, don't buy it. Not one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornseySaintsFan Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 ideally would not have made the changes. but surely lee on the left, Jrod in the middle and mayuka on the right would have been better than the combination of replacements introduced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Ricky motioned to the bench that he wanted to come off about 5 mins before, make of that what you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Very naive, Adkins has got it tactically wrong in 2 games now. Totally got it wrong against Wigan by switching to 4-4-2, and didn't make the right call today in terms of the timings. Not all 3 changes should have happened within the time frame they did, totally changed the game in the wrong way. He'll learn though, he's young, positive and intelligent enough to learn as he goes along. I just hope he's given time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 I can see why Adkins made each of the subs. They backfired today, but that doesn't mean Adkins was wrong to make them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 I can see why Adkins made each of the subs. They backfired today, but that doesn't mean Adkins was wrong to make them. I can see why he made them, but I just don't think they should have all been made around the same time. It just seemed a little too much change at once and the subs never really got into the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Red Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 I'm an NA fan but he has surprised me in the last 2 games For the last 10 minutes against Wigan he sat on the bench leaning on his hands - he had no idea what to do ...and as for the subs today - don't get me started. Hope you're learning fast Nigel because 0 out of 9 is what you get (despite some good performances) when you play teams in this division and don't defend properly or take more of your chances (particularly against Wigan) But I'm confident we'll finish mid-table (crosses fingers and looks for lucky heather) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Over the last two seasons Adkins has made some fantastic substitutions, right player, right time, but he ****ed it today. Puncheon was having a tremendous game and didn't look tired at all so no idea why he was taken off. Lambert is massive defensively at corners and Lallana relieves pressure by keeping the ball. Terrible subs, terrible. I'm not saying this just with hindsight. Said so at the time. Very fine lines at this level. Can't make mistakes like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 I'm an NA fan but he has surprised me in the last 2 games For the last 10 minutes against Wigan he sat on the bench leaning on his hands - he had no idea what to do ...and as for the subs today - don't get me started. Hope you're learning fast Nigel because 0 out of 9 is what you get (despite some good performances) when you play teams in this division and don't defend properly or take more of your chances (particularly against Wigan) But I'm confident we'll finish mid-table (crosses fingers and looks for lucky heather) I still reckon we'll finish mid-table, all teams have a Wigan performance in them in a given season, even the top ones. Heck I remember some shockers, both in the champ and league 1. However, after the two Manchester games, if anything, I'm even more confident of achieving mid-table. Obviously 1 or 2 players short, but Our squad is looking good on the whole. Ram, Lee, Corky to come in and looking forward to what Mayuka and Yoshi can bring to table! Am happy, am very confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Just got back, have to agree the subs cost us the game today. The only change needed was to take Lambert off, easy to do, replace like for like with J-Rod. Lambert was knackered and so were Rio & Vidic, a fresh pair of legs and we could even have scored a third. Taking Lallana off was down right stupid. I would have brought Chung on for 5 minutes if we were still winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Red Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 (edited) I still reckon we'll finish mid-table, all teams have a Wigan performance in them in a given season, even the top ones. Heck I remember some shockers, both in the champ and league 1. However, after the two Manchester games, if anything, I'm even more confident of achieving mid-table. Obviously 1 or 2 players short, but Our squad is looking good on the whole. Ram, Lee, Corky to come in and looking forward to what Mayuka and Yoshi can bring to table! Am happy, am very confident. Agree 100% Unfortunately the most relevant thing in what you point out is that the players we're missing and can look forward to are midfielders and forwards - NO DEFENDERS. If something costs us at the end of the day this is what it'll be. Enjoy the season. The games we win will probably be 6-5 EDIT - Yes Yosh is a defender (I'm an idiot!) - Not sure yet that he's any better than we have. Here's to hoping! Edited 2 September, 2012 by Winchester Red Not reading other persons post properly!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Do you reckon Adkins was under orders to bring Mayuka on? Ain't Cortese got form for getting narky when his personal signings don't play? Seem to remember a Pardew situation when he left Papa Waigo out or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Agree 100% Unfortunately the most relevant thing in what you point out is that the players we're missing and can look forward to are midfielders and forwards - NO DEFENDERS. If something costs us at the end of the day this is what it'll be. Enjoy the season. The games we win will probably be 6-5 EDIT - Yes Yosh is a defender (I'm an idiot!) - Not sure yet that he's any better than we have. Here's to hoping! To hope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 I've been a moderate Guly supporter but I'm done with him now. A weak defensive header was one thing but to stand there alongside Fox, two ball-watching sisters marking nothing and nobody while the wide man had ages to measure his cross to Rio, was something else. I have no idea what would possess NA to put Guly on when we needed some defensive fortitude. Still, I'm much more positive than negative about today. Totally agree. Last straw for me today with Guly. Came on and was totally pointless. Check out their second goal on TV for starters if you aren't convinced. The subs were a disaster. Mayuka has been signed for his pace yes ? So why didnt we knock the ball over Ferdinand and Vidic and let him chase the ball so play to his strength ? Jay Rod - whats the bloody point of putting him out wide ? He is a cente forward so if he comes on, for Rickie, bloody well play him there or leave him on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Strange today. No need to bring off Lambert or Lallana. Not sure what our management were thinking. If Mayuka had to come on as a straight swap with Puncheon would have been fine and enough. How to throw away three points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Strange today. No need to bring off Lambert Ricky motioned to the bench that he wanted to come off about 5 mins before, make of that what you will. Answer your question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Mayuka looked a bit pointless - I'd rather have had Billy Sharp on the bench! **** yeah! Send him back! Those ten minutes and two touches were enough for me to make up my mind. He's no good! For the last 10 minutes against Wigan he sat on the bench leaning on his hands - he had no idea what to do Silly silly silly. Tactically, and given what he had on the bench, Adkins' substitutions made sense: the last thing you want to do against ManU with a 2-1 lead is sit back and try to soak up their pressure: they will pick you apart. Clearly Rodriguez and Guly were supposed to help provide some attacking strength in the middle of the field, help us press forward and keep the pressure off the defence. Unfortunately, neither of them managed to contribute anything! So blame them for not doing their job, rather than Adkins for trying the right approach. If we'd had Yoshida to bring on to spell Fonte for the last 15 minutes; or Cork to help out in a tiring midfield, fine: but neither was available. Personally, I might have tried Lee with his pace rather than Guly, but I don't fault Adkins for going with the more experienced player. We were definitely much worse as a team, though, when Lallana and Puncheon and Lambert came off: depth was the issue, with a very weak bench today. Bring on Ramirez, and Yoshida, and bring back Cork: then we'll look a lot stronger all round. On the whole, today was a promising game: just such a pity about those last few minutes ... Amen brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Can't quite believe, on just 10 mins, certain people have come to the conclusion that Mayuka looked useless and ineffective. Let's give him a chance eh? Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Can't quite believe, on just 10 mins, certain people have come to the conclusion that Mayuka looked useless and ineffective. Let's give him a chance eh? Christ. No he's a good player just very strange if we had to make the stupid changes that he didn't play on wing and j rod upfront. Puncheon was doing a great job carrying the ball away from trouble and finding pockets of space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 No he's a good player just very strange if we had to make the stupid changes that he didn't play on wing and j rod upfront. Puncheon was doing a great job carrying the ball away from trouble and finding pockets of space. I can see the reason why he was played up through the middle, his pace and strength running onto the flicks from Guly and Rodrgiuez. In theory, a good idea, but I just feel all 3 changes were made too quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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