ALWAYS_SFC Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Championship standard. We have by far the poorest defensive options in the league, Yoshida is a risky signing. His team conceded the most goals in the Dutch league last season and were 1 game from relegation. Shame Cortese and Adkins didn't do much to the defence in the transfer window as our attacking options are fine for this league. You base that assumption on what exactly...losing to champions and runners up? or? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 You base that assumption on what exactly...losing to champions and runners up? or? In fairness our defence looked poor againt perennial relegation fodder Wigan to........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 In fairness our defence looked poor againt perennial relegation fodder Wigan to........ I dont like seeing them described like that, because we simply dont know if its true. They might come 5th this season. But yes, they are not in the same class as the two Manchesters, or anywhere near it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 In fairness our defence looked poor againt perennial relegation fodder Wigan to........ but i was asking about his statement about having the poorest defence in the league... In fairness this was true from last year but they look very much different going by performances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 With Yoshida joining in at Staplewood, I think we'll see a very different Fonte at the Emirates, and in the next few games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 With Yoshida joining in at Staplewood, I think we'll see a very different Fonte at the Emirates, and in the next few games. On what basis ? Competition ? In fairness, you could argue that Jos, Jose and Kelvin are the cosiest players in the team. So maybe you have a point. I wonder what Fox is thinking ? Is he aware that Shaw is breathing down his neck ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Yoshida is an unkown quainty.......Aawwh - bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Fonte hasn't been the same since he cut his hair. I can see why it might knock his confidence, he looks a right **** now with it short. I call it Torres syndrome. Also that one guy from the bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Fonte hasn't been the same since he cut his hair. I can see why it might knock his confidence, he looks a right **** now with it short. I call it Torres syndrome. Also that one guy from the bible.Must be something to do with having a missus called Delilah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Yoshida came from the team with the worst defensive record in the Eredevise - if that's true - I can't see him being the answer! Yet people elsewhere on this forum were saying we should bring in Scott Dann or Curtis Davies, both of whom got relegated last season, or even Rhys Williams who has spent the best part of his career in the Championship. Hopefully he was properly scouted and assessed, and isn't, as some are suggesting, a marquee to boost Japanese support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 In fairness our defence looked poor againt perennial relegation fodder Wigan to........ it was our attack that was the problem in that game, with Lambert and Sharp being **** poor (I for one am glad we spent a fortune on attacking players after that showing, without them we looked certain to go down) yet hardly a bad word and a few days later you lot are crying your eyes out at Sharps departure. Fonte is not nearly as bad as some you suggest. Give him a chance and he'll do fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Yet people elsewhere on this forum were saying we should bring in Scott Dann or Curtis Davies, both of whom got relegated last seasonBrum finished top 6 last season, relegated the season before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Brum finished top 6 last season, relegated the season before Ooops,, but the point still stands - top 6 in the Champ is still not Premier 'quality'. After all, Jose finished 2nd in that division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 it was our attack that was the problem in that game, with Lambert and Sharp being **** poor (I for one am glad we spent a fortune on attacking players after that showing, without them we looked certain to go down) yet hardly a bad word and a few days later you lot are crying your eyes out at Sharps departure. Fonte is not nearly as bad as some you suggest. Give him a chance and he'll do fine. Did I imagine Jose ****ing about with the ball in a stupid place before losing it and ending in a Wigan goal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Did I imagine Jose ****ing about with the ball in a stupid place before losing it and ending in a Wigan goal? It was a clear foul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 It was a clear foul. No it's a clear foul if the Ref gives it ...He didn't. Jose (and Jos) seem to have more than their fair share of unfortunate incidents.... all players make mistakes our back two seem to make more than most last season they often got away with it this season they won't against better players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 Did I imagine Jose ****ing about with the ball in a stupid place before losing it and ending in a Wigan goal? Did you imagine Skertl ****ing up against West Brom or Ferdinand leaving Lambert at the back post against Rafael against us or James Collins ridiculous back pass the other day? Or maybe Lescotts terrible header against QPR last game of the season? The answer is of course no, it all happened and will contine to do so. He slipped/was fouled against Wigan and then sliced a clearance and didn't get close enough to RVP. Is he really ready for our SWF scrap heap already? I think his overall game has been ok so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintpat Posted 3 September, 2012 Share Posted 3 September, 2012 He's not awful but I thought he looked out of his depth at times even last season and he looks quite panicky this season, that sliced clearance when he had plenty of time a clear example. He's not on the scrapheap by any means but he is struggling at the moment. There was no sentimentality shown by the management with regards to Hammond or Sharpe, we can't afford to show any to Fonte. I wonder if a fit Jack Cork would be getting the nod over him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 He's not awful but I thought he looked out of his depth at times even last season and he looks quite panicky this season, that sliced clearance when he had plenty of time a clear example. When did he look out of his depth last season? As for the sliced clearance, he did not have plenty of time at all. The ball was fizzed in his general direction, and he stretched to get a foot to it and it unfortunately went for a corner. It is just something that could happen to any defender regardless of their ability....it is nothing to do with being "panicky". He was at fault for the marking for the header - granted. Just going to have to learn quickly from mistakes at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 On what basis ? Competition ? In fairness, you could argue that Jos, Jose and Kelvin are the cosiest players in the team. So maybe you have a point. Precisely what I think. Having followed Fonte since his Portugal days, and having been a fan and ST holder for Sporting Lisbon until I moved up here (the club where Fonte graduated into pro football from), I can honestly say that he has exceeded any initial expectations by even being able to settle his football in another country superior to Portugal when it gets to domestic competitions. This really is as big as it will ever get for him. This was really the only way he would ever get into the PL (club promotion). I'm sure he knows this and his game will hopefully improve with his place in the hot. And let's be honest, for a PL debutant, our defensive squad has faced to some very big initial challenges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Unfortunately, Fonte did not have a great game and it looks like he's being found out now. Maybe Yoshi is the answer - let's hope so. I saw KD blank Fonte at the end of the game - I would imagine he's starting to feel the pressure all round. As far as today's game is concerned, there is no way you can add KD as a scapegoat for any of their goals AND he saved RVP's pen FFS. Fox sits off too much, however next time watch and see who is with him helping him out - no-one...he's often left exposed and cannot risk getting drawn into the offensive player. Whenever he tries to get forward, there's nobody watching his back. It's a tactical issue that NA needs to sort out and then I think Fox will be OK. Read my lips - 'no one covering his back' is because he is never there - ever...When he comes forward he always cuts inside - leaving a huge gap down the left hand side which Utd exposed again and again and again........And so will everyone else.....He does not look to link with players down his side - he wanders off infield breaking up the momentum of the attack and ending up stalling the attack....When he is there - he stands off so far he allows even the most average player to get his cross in - he just stands and watches....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 It was a clear foul. Not clear enough for the ref to give it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 When did he look out of his depth last season? As for the sliced clearance, he did not have plenty of time at all. The ball was fizzed in his general direction, and he stretched to get a foot to it and it unfortunately went for a corner. It is just something that could happen to any defender regardless of their ability....it is nothing to do with being "panicky". He was at fault for the marking for the header - granted. Just going to have to learn quickly from mistakes at this level. Nothing to do with being panicky, everything to do with tiredness. It was a weary reaction which he'd have had no problem with in the first few minutes but he'd had a game of tracking Van Persie, Welbeck and Hernandez's movement and just didn't have anyhing left. How do you explain him letting van Persie get two or three steps in front of him from the following corner as well otherwise ? (Though I'd also point out that no-one else stepped into their zone either). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 I'll bear that in mind the next time we need a goal in League One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Did I imagine Jose ****ing about with the ball in a stupid place before losing it and ending in a Wigan goal? 0-1 down at that point and the game was still lost as the attack had done **** all to draw level and could have played all night before scoring. Lambert much more to blame for that defeat. He was poor, but much easier to jump on the bandwagon and blame Fonte for everything. Thank god for Guly or he'd be the target for the boo boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 I'll bear that in mind the next time we need a goal in League One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 4 September, 2012 Share Posted 4 September, 2012 Nothing to do with being panicky, everything to do with tiredness. It was a weary reaction which he'd have had no problem with in the first few minutes but he'd had a game of tracking Van Persie, Welbeck and Hernandez's movement and just didn't have anyhing left. How do you explain him letting van Persie get two or three steps in front of him from the following corner as well otherwise ? (Though I'd also point out that no-one else stepped into their zone either).He may well have been very tired, but having looked at it again, I don't believe the slice for a corner would be attributed to tiredness either. It was bad luck and it could have happened at any point in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 I'll bear that in mind the next time we need a goal in League One. ahem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 He was a lot better today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 Pleased for him that he is rediscovering his mojo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 Pleased for him that he is rediscovering his mojo. Turns out this chap had it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 I'm amazed how bad Jos has been. It can't just be the step up, he's shown he has some ability. But he's an absolute disaster of Scott Marshall standards right now. Fonte looks good by comparison but still has mistakes in him. Feel we need a solid British centre back, or at least someone used to the league. Easier said than done though. It's all down to panic. Jos in particular is mentally overloaded and this leads to mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 Confidence is also playing a part. Fonte is slowly improving and this is probably down to confidence, those goals today will have done him the world of good. Jos looked very shaky though, but had to deal the hand we were dealt i.e. injuries. Looked a lot more solid as a unit today though, helped by Lallana and Puncheon being a lot more disciplined positionally than they have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashby Saint Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 Never thought I would say this before the start of the season but Jose is looking a lot better than Jos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 I had criticised Fonte's (lack of) form since Prem Day 1 ..and not without good reason. He looked indecisive, lacked pace and played many bad passes........ BUT yesterday..... he looked totally another player. Even without his TWO goals, he seemed more confident, and in command at the back. Let's hope it wasn't just a one-off game. I'd dearly love to see him back as the commanding defensive figure he was two seasons ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 It's easy to defend a nice guy .and Jose is .... BUT he never looked the same after coming back from his injury last Autumn. He has good close control, and his distribution is good but it looks like he moves in slow-motion. His back passes frighten me, he either plays them too short, too soft and too often .. leaving KD in " no-mans land " A good to average striker with a bit of pace will skin him every time. Sorry, but have to agree with most of the Board here - his time has run out. you talked utter drivel earlier in the season about Fonte and your post above fails to acknowledge just how wrong you were. Sunday wasn't a one off. He's been pretty good in most games, as he was for the vast majority of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 I had criticised Fonte's (lack of) form since Prem Day 1 ..and not without good reason. He looked indecisive, lacked pace and played many bad passes........ BUT yesterday..... he looked totally another player. Even without his TWO goals, he seemed more confident, and in command at the back. Let's hope it wasn't just a one-off game. I'd dearly love to see him back as the commanding defensive figure he was two seasons ago. Someone has posted on here (cannot remember who, but dont want to steal their thunder) that maybe, just maybe the difference is that it isnt Kelvin between the sticks behind him any more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Someone has posted on here (cannot remember who, but dont want to steal their thunder) that maybe, just maybe the difference is that it isnt Kelvin between the sticks behind him any more... Who knows, entirely possible, Gazzinga has looked assured for a young man. I also think the whole team were better defensively on Sunday, Morgan and in particular Davis protected the back four a lot better. Lallana and Puncheon were also tracking back better. Combination of things probably. The defensive problems are well documented, manager and players are aware of it and they have stated they have been working very hard on it. Maybe we are seeing the first signs of it working. I think had we not had the injury to Richardson we were on for a clean sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 If you get the chance, try and watch Fonte's interview after Sunday's game. I thought he came over really well, articulate, very focused and determined to improve and perform as well as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 If you get the chance, try and watch Fonte's interview after Sunday's game. I thought he came over really well, articulate, very focused and determined to improve and perform as well as possible. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 I think he's a decent defender and that playing alongside Maya takes out a lot of the tension in his game that showed up early on in the season. For me Jos is the problem and it effects those around him. He's too slow, too clumsy and his tackling against PL hotshots who turn on him is just woeful. He was pretty handy in the NPC but the PL is really something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Fonte lacked composure at the beginning of the season, for what ever reason. But he has regained a lot of it now, his play is more assur. He still put his foot through the ball a couple of times on Sunday when he could have controlled it but he is much improved. Good on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Fonte has turned it around. Has looked decent. Good luck to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Never thought I would say this before the start of the season but Jose is looking a lot better than Jos. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Jos' positioning is even worse than Fox's and that's saying something! If you are defending your own 6 yard box, face away from goal and if the ball comes anywhere near you then don't kick it because there's every chance it's going to deflect into the net. Basic school-boy level stuff which someone needs to teach Jos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Jos' positioning is even worse than Fox's and that's saying something! If you are defending your own 6 yard box, face away from goal and if the ball comes anywhere near you then don't kick it because there's every chance it's going to deflect into the net. Basic school-boy level stuff which someone needs to teach Jos. or put your body goal side and stick the foot out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 or put your body goal side and stick the foot out... Quite! You've managed to iterate very succinctly what I was trying to say! LOL (Mind you, the way things are going for Jos, even then it would skew off and head goal-wards!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 So we all love Jose again and now hate Jos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Jos will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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