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Also, bit of a thread hijack, but if anybody knows the cretin that drives a baby blue people carrier with the 'P66 SFC' numberplate who gave abuse to my gf and sent her home in tears...

 

He tried to push into her lane on the roundabout near the Jury's Inn and literally drove into her car to force her out, THEN gave her an earful of verbal as if she was in the wrong. Would very much like a word.

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We are the new Wigan. Have confidence. We'll be fine if we play like that.

 

And good God JW-P is a superstar. On today's performance I rate him better than Cleverley. A player like him would cost Arsenal £15m I should think.

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After that first ten minutes and the disappointment of losing after being ahead twice, I have come to terms with things, and am still happy with our potential. Anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot. Goodnight! :)

 

It's only really on this place that you'll see the weirdos come out in force. We played bloody well, our midfield looks superb, we're creating and scoring. Have to defend better and if we do, we'll have a good season IMO

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The positives: JWP; excellent today. Puncheon; brilliant game. S. Davis; tidy and assured performance.

 

The team overall put in a good performance against one of the top sides in the land, only to be let down by....

 

The negatives: K. Davis; yes saved a penalty but again sloppy distribution led to that penalty. Fox; becoming more and more clear (to me) that he's not good enough, too far away from his man to close down crosses, out of position too many times. Fonte; dead on his feet for the last 20 mins.

 

But, if we carry on playing like that, good things will come, but I'd like to see Shaw given a go.

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How about some positivity???

 

James Ward-Prowse looks a proper, proper player, fearless is how I would describe that performance. Morgan was fantastic and I loved his intelligent little sprints out to steal the ball away from Utd's pedestrian midfield ably supported by an excellent display from Steven Davis. Punch, as others have mentioned, was fantastic with powerful intelligent dribbles causing Utd no end of problems. Lallana belongs at this level and Lambert made a returning-from-injury Vidic look cumbersome at times. All massive positives for me.

 

Erm.. we all know the back line is a bit dodgy but I'm hopeful Yoshida will solidify things there with his composure and obvious leadership.

 

All in all and great game of football and Scholes at 56(sic) years old is still the master... we never got near him as we tired in the final 15 minutes.

 

RVP = deadly

 

Nigel AND the team will learn from this. Keep the faith.

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Get a grip all you bedwetters! Who would you rather be losing 2-3 to - ManUre or Bristol Rovers FFS?! We've just put on a magnificent game of football and taken the lead against one of the best teams in the world. We've just seen some outstanding performances from most of our players. We've basically lost against two men - RVP and the Ref! Come on! I was thoroughly entertained and Saints didn't roll over. Only poor performance was (once again) Fonte.

 

The only slight issue I have with the subs is that (a) JayRod was once again put out on the attacking left instead of down the middle and Mayuka should have been on the left or right and (b) I cannot understand how Guly gets a game when he should be under a disciplinary ban - at 2-1 up against Utd you need someone like Chaplow to chase every ball and battle out for the win.

 

Anyway, I re-iterate - anyone who did not enjoy that match cannot in all honesty call themselves a true Saints fan - the team did us proud (although Fonte's continuing mistakes and panic cost us in the end).

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Some right depressives on here. Quality atmosphere, quality game. Some superb play by us just let down by individual errors.

 

Easy to blame the subs but at the game it was clear Lambert was knackered and less effective and they were coming on strong out wide.

 

The goals they got were down to poor defending/lack of composure, not the subs.

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Was at work during this so had to 'watch' it on twitter. Bloomin' nervewracking! Speaken to people since though and it sounds like we played well. I'm not too concerned, as anything today would have been a bonus though I am disappointed of course! But hey, real season starts next week or so for us now we have all our players in place.

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Get a grip all you bedwetters! Who would you rather be losing 2-3 to - ManUre or Bristol Rovers FFS?! We've just put on a magnificent game of football and taken the lead against one of the best teams in the world. We've just seen some outstanding performances from most of our players. We've basically lost against two men - RVP and the Ref! Come on! I was thoroughly entertained and Saints didn't roll over. Only poor performance was (once again) Fonte.

 

The only slight issue I have with the subs is that (a) JayRod was once again put out on the attacking left instead of down the middle and Mayuka should have been on the left or right and (b) I cannot understand how Guly gets a game when he should be under a disciplinary ban - at 2-1 up against Utd you need someone like Chaplow to chase every ball and battle out for the win.

 

Anyway, I re-iterate - anyone who did not enjoy that match cannot in all honesty call themselves a true Saints fan - the team did us proud (although Fonte's continuing mistakes and panic cost us in the end).

That is a good post, but playing well against Man u and losing to Wigan is not comforting
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I did not expect us to win today but the loss of being able to tease those Southern Man u fans is hard to take. They will still have their arrogant swagger

 

It's easy to be a 'plastic'. No emotional attachment, no swings from the 'high' to the 'lows'. No glorying in the unexpected triumphs, or dismay at ballsing up the easiest of 'banker' matches.

If by some miracle ManUre were to find themselves relegated, they'd soon switch to Chelski or perhaps even Citeh.

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For all the people moaning about the Subs - OUR PLAYERS WERE KNACKERED!! AL had a perfect opportunity to close the ball down but couldn't - 2 minutes later he gets subbed. Punch ran and ran possibly his best game for Saints, RL I can understand the sub FWDS always get subbed, he was never going to be able to track back when required. UTD were always going to finish strong so I understand why the subs were made. I thought the LEE could have come on instead of Jay. Just my thoughts.

 

Having read back from the end, I'm absolutely gobsmacked to hear that posts on here echo those texts and calls to Solent that I listened to on the way home, saying that it was lunacy to replace out three best players. I agree entirely with you, that as far as I could see, all three of them had run themselves into the ground and when Ferguson had made tactical changes to introduce three fresh-legged substitutes, they would have run rings around our most tired players, whose threat had reduced. Like you, I would have had Lee on, as he would have been a player giving us something different and I'm not certain that United would have been able to handle him running at their defence. J Rod should have been up front intead of out wide again, as he doesn't seem to do much out there.

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Gutted about the result but we were immense today. JWP was a different class, Lallana and Punch on the wings looked right rather than JayRod who is not suited to that position IMO. Can't help but feel that we lost that with the subs, we just seemed to lose all momentum going forward with the three changes. Fox, honestly really not convinced and KD was his own worst enemy at times, but we know that. Taking the positives, for me for the majority of the game we were the better side. If we play like that against Villa then I am very hopeful, but who knows which saints side will turn up the Manchester team or the wigan team.....

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It's easy to be a 'plastic'. No emotional attachment, no swings from the 'high' to the 'lows'. No glorying in the unexpected triumphs, or dismay at ballsing up the easiest of 'banker' matches.

If by some miracle ManUre were to find themselves relegated, they'd soon switch to Chelski or perhaps even Citeh.

 

Fully agree. Even with losing today I wouldn't trade that feeling of twice going in front for the world. Having experienced everything that built up to that point just made it all the sweeter.

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80 percent of the blame goes to nigel game changed when he took off lambo who was giving rio a hard time for GULY, who came on and didnt work hard at all.

 

Also have to add other 2 subs were wrong timing.

 

Fonte and Fox are awful, Davis made up for his mistake.

 

Positives are Lambo is proving to be premier league class, Punch and Cylne looked good together MS looks better every week, most underrated player we have pure class at times and works well with Davis and JWP who also had good games.

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Some on here defending the substitutions saying that they were tired which is why NA took them off.

 

If that is the case why oh why are three of our best players not able to last 90 minutes and if they really need to be replaced is the likes of Guly, a new signing and a out of form out of position player going to keep us in the game?

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Fonte and Davis will cost us games. The bench we had today was lacking a decent midfielder, it was too top heavy with attacking options.

However we have a new attacking midfielder to come, a new CB and also Jack Cork, so things should get better. (I hope).

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Come on, you think Manu getting on top was due to the subs Adkins made? They started pressing us back and after that Adkins replaced out wide players (fatigue perhaps) and Lambert to get more pace upfront. In all fairness they made very little impact but that had more to do with them never getting a decent ball because we were under so much pressure then them being awful.

 

Individual mistakes cost us the game, nothing else.

 

This, and the rest of your post is some of what I was saying earlier. It's no good saying the players substituted had had a blinder if they can't maintain it and then make mistakes ("why weren't they substituted earlier"). If Fonte had put that clearance into touch like he should have done there wouldn't have been a corner and a tired defence punished. But unlike Wigan there was no suggestion we sat back or didn't have sufficient bite. If the Japanese defender had been available I reckon he'd have come on as sub, but he wasn't so he didn't. I am worried about our defence and we did try to strengthen it in the transfer window, but I don't think the substitutions were as pivotal as some on here seem to be suggesting.

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I've been saying for a couple of seasons that we need a new goalkeeper, several times he played us into trouble, and a penalty. Crazy substitutions cost us the game, not for the first time. They may have been knackered but they were still causing problems. We just sat back deepere and deeper and invited them to score. Let's hope Adkins has learnt from this.

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I'm sorry guys but that was pony. How many times will we continue to make defensive mistakes? Today was embarrassing.

 

2-1 with 5 minutes to go and we go and leave Rio unmarked on the penalty spot and Van Persie unmarked on the 6 yard box. IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!

 

Forget blaming the substitutions, it's the defending that has, yet again, cost us. Davis made a few mistakes, the CB's were clumsy and Fox, well the less said about him the better.

 

We were brilliant going forward, but it all means nothing when we go and defend like that.

 

No pressure Mr Yoshida but I hope you can teach us how to mark players

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10 wins. 21 defeats. Relegated.

 

Superb football. Absolutely superb football. Moron.

and how many wins did we get today with our superb football? I suggest your lack of mental ability to see a point doesn't make me the moron.

You didnt take up my suggestion to unload some of your pent up frustrations last night

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Although the subs didn't help, the main game changer game after the penalty, as it gave Utd belief and turned the momentum in their favour. For what it's worth I'd have taken off Lambert as he did look knackered, but replaced him with Jay Rod as this would be the closest like-for-like sub that we could use. Puncheon looked fine and was doing a good job going forward and protecting Clyne, and Lallana didn't look like he'd fully ran out of gas.

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Fontes arse went today, completely. He lost the plot at the end, slicing the ball, could not pass, think or do anything rational. I have always thought Fonte would make a good defensive midfielder, but we have no problem there.This is a poor defence with only Clyne being a keep.

Fox just gives the winger all the space he needs to put in the cross rather than close down and get walked past. Great for blind alley passes or any kick that off loads responsibility. He would have kept A&E and treatment tables full in a bygone era.

Jos is always going to make errors against fast opponents, just a fact of life that cannot be helped.

Kelvin can't see past 25yards but a good save of a crap penalty.

Clyne needs the basics given a priority but has the talent without a doubt.

 

Midfield did all their bit and more to secure the defence with Morgan giving a stellar performance and the attack was not too shoddy. I expect many will say don't change a winning side (as I was thinking when Ricky and Punch were subbed), but how much did those two have left in the tank?

 

A good performance but lets not fool ourselves, as with ManC you could see them scoring any time they really put their mind to it. Some may feel this type of performance bodes well against the lesser clubs, again don't fool yourself. The lesser clubs will not give you that time and space we had against ManC and ManU in the midfield. Ricky's actually getting free kicks in this league and that could be a big difference.

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Urgh.

 

I'm mainly annoyed because we came so close and yet you look at a great attacking performance there and that was leagues apart from the dross we served up against Wigan.

 

The front 6 were outstanding. Kelvin's kicking was a joke, he doesn't deserve much praise for the penalty save as he effectively gave it away. Danny Fox is not a defender. He cannot defend. At all.

 

Get Yoshida in and have Ramirez as an option instead of Guly. J-Rod should ONLY play as a striker, don't know why he went wide and the short man Mayuka was the target.

 

It shows we're capable of good attacking display but we really need to show it against lesser teams. Could see us having 1 point from 6 games, which is worrying despite the bad hand we've been dealt with the fixtures.

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Enjoyed today ironically - even though we lost.

Thought we played well and at this rate we still have plenty in reserve.

So we lost - got a lucky break off the post to equalise, and a free header from a corner.

 

The substitutions didn't work - but I wonder how much that had to do with playing JRod on the wing and Mayuka in the centre?

Never been a big fan of Puncheon - but he did his bit today.

JWP and Morgan bossed the midfield - an excellent display.

Ramirez will add something special, and Lee the pace we seemed to lack although Morgan scoring with a header from midfield was something special!

The only way is up literally - strongest team in The Premiership!

Worried - nah - just enjoying the ride.

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Some on here defending the substitutions saying that they were tired which is why NA took them off.

 

If that is the case why oh why are three of our best players not able to last 90 minutes and if they really need to be replaced is the likes of Guly, a new signing and a out of form out of position player going to keep us in the game?

 

No doubt they could have lasted 90 minutes, but not at the pace they had produced earlier in the match when they were most effective. You do see that, don't you? If a player lacks that extra yard of pace that they started with, or is not mentally as sharp as when they are fresh, then opposition players who have fresh legs and who have been instructed to exploit weaknesses by a great tactical manager, will run rings around them. But I'm sure that you and others who do not see this, have the ability to accurately forecast whether those two late ManUre goals would have been prevented had we left those three players on the pitch until the end.

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No doubt they could have lasted 90 minutes, but not at the pace they had produced earlier in the match when they were most effective. You do see that, don't you? If a player lacks that extra yard of pace that they started with, or is not mentally as sharp as when they are fresh, then opposition players who have fresh legs and who have been instructed to exploit weaknesses by a great tactical manager, will run rings around them. But I'm sure that you and others who do not see this, have the ability to accurately forecast whether those two late ManUre goals would have been prevented had we left those three players on the pitch until the end.
All apt but would it not have been sensible to have taken just one off and seen where that took us? leaving us options. Lambert was a thron in their side and it gave them a lift at the back. Would Rio have been unmarked for the second,Lambert is an intelligent forward and without his outlet we became cluelss in attack. i doubt Fergie would have taken RVP off to hold onto the lead
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The substitution that cost us the game was scholes coming on. Almost straight away he calmed things down and got united playing. That then coincided with our team Especially our midfield becoming fatigued. They ran their legs out for the first 75 mins.

 

If we continue to play like that we will be fine.

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I wish Chaplow had been on the bench. Had we brought him on with 15 to go he would have been fresh and could have harried Scholes a lot more. What with Cork being injured, we had no CMs in reserve which was a mistake, especially as we started a 17 year old. As I've already said, MS, SD and JWP were immense, but I really think we could have done with some fresh legs in there.

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Rickie Adam and Punch tore them a good one for a while there. And these are defenders who have won Champions league medals. Watched game with a bunch of neutrals and none of them could understand "Why did they take their 3 best players off?"

 

Just for entertainment, I was browsing the Wet Spam forum earlier and here are their thoughts:

 

Really happy Southampton lost and can't deny I shouted and got excited as the third goal went in.

1st time I've been cheering on Man Utd like that

Anything to wipe that smug scouse grin of that **** Adkins

yeah, his face after manure's third was priceless

We're going to be nowhere near relegation with this team and Allardyce's management style.

Adkins! Looked like he ate a bee.

Any other team and i'd of felt sorry for them, but not that muggy two bob club

I'm glad they llost horrible provincial little club.

Could not sell out for this game

Hope they go into even more freefall from now on in.

I actually cheered that goal in.

Welcome to the premier league saints, hopefully a horrible long season for them.

No class eh?

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Just back from the game. Was gutted but traffic has given me some perspective.

 

It comes down to bad subs. Adkins first real mistake, but he will learn.

 

Lambert was tired so I understand that change. I also feel that fresh legs were required but the introduction of Guly was bad. Did nothing and all confidence was gone. We lost all our attacking threat. And y was jayrod not played as centre forward with the new guy out on the left where he has played before.

 

Very strange that we would play the pacey short dude as a target man over our stand in number 9 for Lambert. we ran out of ideas with this 3 off the pitch like the 3kick that we just rushed at the end.

 

I think the big issue was the bench. No one to really sure up the back or midfield with. That will not be the issue when yoshi can play and cork is fit.

 

It was a gutting defeat to be sure, and we can't afford many more of these slips. However, a lot of positives in that we had them on the ropes and played some cracking stuff. Again mistakes (Clyne this time) have cost us and this needs to be addressed. Also the people who slam Adkins' need to bare in mind that we outplayed united for 80min.

 

Promising signs from punch, Adam, Lambert, Davis, Morgan and jwp who were all superb. I do not understand y fox plays so tight to the cb which allows the winger to overlap him and get in behind. He always does it so I'm assuming that NA wants him to play that way. Very narrow. Maybe to counter the goals scored by Sandro and tevez?

 

I think we will be okay still, but we are making it hard for ourselves! We shall improve though and we are having a steep learning curve which will only benefit us after the arsenal game.

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Rickie Adam and Punch tore them a good one for a while there. And these are defenders who have won Champions league medals. Watched game with a bunch of neutrals and none of them could understand "Why did they take their 3 best players off?"

 

Just for entertainment, I was browsing the Wet Spam forum earlier and here are their thoughts:

 

Really happy Southampton lost and can't deny I shouted and got excited as the third goal went in.

1st time I've been cheering on Man Utd like that

Anything to wipe that smug scouse grin of that **** Adkins

yeah, his face after manure's third was priceless

We're going to be nowhere near relegation with this team and Allardyce's management style.

Adkins! Looked like he ate a bee.

Any other team and i'd of felt sorry for them, but not that muggy two bob club

I'm glad they llost horrible provincial little club.

Could not sell out for this game

Hope they go into even more freefall from now on in.

I actually cheered that goal in.

Welcome to the premier league saints, hopefully a horrible long season for them.

No class eh?

he rates Big Sam, say no more
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Gut wrenching horrid finale.

 

But, in cold light of day, a quite excellent performance.

 

Slight query over the subs, but - with two hours of reflection - I'm actually quite confident we will stay up.

 

Ramirez potentially offers us an extra gear, of course.

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Very disappointed................but proud, very proud. We played them like a Premiership team. Losing to both Manchesters 3-2 is a triumph in itself.

 

Can't comment too much about the Subs, but if we hadn't we would be moaning about tired legs. I think we made a mistake, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

 

If we can play like this against the rest, with our new additions, we can start to make our mark.

 

Agreed

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The substitution that cost us the game was scholes coming on. Almost straight away he calmed things down and got united playing. That then coincided with our team Especially our midfield becoming fatigued. They ran their legs out for the first 75 mins.

 

If we continue to play like that we will be fine.

 

Agreed, Scholes is a class act. We didn't react to him coming on and to be fair we don't have anyone near his class even at 65 (or whatever age he is). However...

 

I simply don't see any other manager with experience changing his entire front line in that situation and bringing on a guy for his first ever game in English football.

 

I think what we saw today was 997. And if you can't work that out, it's the difference in Premiership/top flight games the managers have overseen...

 

Or to put it another way, could you see Fergie pulling off his front three at 2-1 on 78 minutes at Old Trafford against Chelsea/Citeh?

 

It's harsh on Adkins but this is a tough league and Puncheon, in particular, was giving Evra the runaround which in turn was reducing their threat.

 

Still, you have to hope the manager is not daft and will learn quickly. And hopefully the CBs can learn equallly quickly - stand up, don't dive in and concentrate the whole game.

 

Not downhearted just cheesed off.

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